By what definition is Google “not a part of” this lawsuit? They aren’t named, but it’s clearly targeted at the Android operating system.

Perhaps a better headline for this article would be “Google backs HTC in recent Apple Lawsuit”.

@parislemon Nice [short_url] twitter btw.

There’s a reason Apple decided to go after HTC. Maybe it thinks that HTC will be the easier target to win a case against. Maybe it’s a fishing expedition in a bigger war against Google. Time will tell.

Nice pic there, but what happens next is “HTC” going through that back wall and getting knocked unconscious after toppling over “Google”, while “Apple” walks away with a clean and decisive victory.

Apple clearly is threatened by Googles Android. Which everyone knows, but up until last month(when Multi touch was turned on) Apple could not do anything to stop Googles onslaught. I firmly believe that this lawsuite will take sometime to resolve and HTC will continue to sell devices while it is tied up in court. The really question is Apple knows this, so why sue? Because according to the ITC, you can not re-cope lost income if I remember correctly. Thus you would get a stop order of Multi-touch..which I highly doubt would occur

Myself, I’m getting a little sick and tired of Apple’s strong-arm tactics in making sure they are the ONLY one who can do this or that. Apple didn’t invent the touch screen and they didn’t invent the phone, they need to just shut the h/ll up and make a better product than the competition and stick to their marketing. This trying to create a monopoly is just plain annoying and I for one will not touch any of their products because of the attitude they have.

the part where they’re not named in it. and yes – did you read the post?

“What’s odd is that these HTC phones have actually supported multi-touch (only one of the many patents Apple is disputing here), but it’s only now after Google just enabled it”

Really?

Why does everyone think Apple owns the patent on multi-touch? Pinch and Zoom is a gesture, that uses multi-touch inputs.

In the SDK you could make multi-touch apps, ie detecting multiple finger touch….not pinch and zoom.

And cmon! Google, I would of had HTC back.

yeah, sorry, we fixed that.

Apple is not going to win this war.

Play it out. Apple plays tough. Google shuts off gmail to iPhones.

Smartphones are still a small segment of the cell phone business, ~15% in the US. Lots of people who do not yet have smartphones have gmail accounts.

Then google shuts off google maps to iphones. What apple fails to understand is that the client is a commodity, it’s whats on the network that is important.

Go Google

Well said Alvin. It is fun to watch from the sidelines with all the lawsuits going on, but a lot of jobs are at stake with these stupid lawsuits. That isn’t fun to watch.

@Alvin B.

Amen. Apple has been out of line. They feel threatened and are responding like the dork who just lost his girlfriend to the jock. You can bitch and wine, but what you need to do is bulk up and steal her back.

Apple has farted around for the last 2 years, and now that these guys are catching up, they need to find something to slow them down. I guess I would do the same if my business was threatened. I don’t care about Apple or HTC because in the long run the only losers will be us, the consumers.

Thats because Apple owns the patent on multi-touch: http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=dCKzAAAAEBAJ

Thanks for playing though.

I know why Apple is suing HTC, because my next phone is an HTC! http://bit.ly/bLBLju Wimax, 4.3″ screen, Android 3.0 w/ a native sip client?

Since when is defending your patents a strong-arm tactic? If the situation was reversed, I’m sure you’d be all “Go Google!” If a company doesn’t defend their patents then it weakens them and makes them useless in court when they finally decide to defend them. This whole lawsuit is disappointing, but Apple has some strong legs to stand on with this one. Take a closer look at which patents they are claiming infringement on. Most of them are pretty valid. Yes, the so-called “multi-touch” patent is in there, but so are many others.

@Erik
Google is not going to shut off access to gmail and google search to the iphone just to “get even” with Apple. That would be a very foolish thing to do because they would start losing money.

Try to read some of the post of engadget and you’ll see a lenghty pdf file. Not a single word, you will hear the name of Google there, so I guess the line “Still, for whatever reason, Google is not named in the suit”… Suits this post, well indeed.

On the other hand, Apple may be wanting to file a suit for G all along, However, they are thinking thrice to do it. Obviously, they don’t want to anger the lion now, wouldn’t they?

http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/28/apple-vs-palm-the-in-depth-analysis/

Multi-touch patent? psh…

This shouldn’t be viewed as a bad thing.

It should be viewed as an opportunity for HTC to take down those 20 patents.

windows phone 7 uses alot of this crap too. what about MS getting in this?

I really hope apple pisses google off and they decide to not allow the iPhone to use any google products including google maps.

This just sucks in so many ways. I’m a fan of Apple but I can’t support them on this one.

Oh, wow, so scary. Google shuts off gmail to iPhones, and iPhone users still access their email by …wait for it …going to Google’s web site.

Google shuts off Google Maps, iPhone users still access it by …wait for it …going to Google’s web site.

Google shuts off Google Search, Apple replaces it with Bing and the iPhone users still access it by …wait for it …going to Google’s web site.

LOL, Google has no bargaining chips here because, get this, they give all their stuff away FOR FREE on the internet and last time I checked, the iPhone has an internet browser.

Apple is doing more for Google by having native Google apps than Google is doing for Apple. And there’s still a heck of a lot more people using devices with the iPhone OS (iPhone, iPod Touch, soon to come iPad) than all Android devices combined.

Good luck with that.

Yes, farting around. They added an App Store in the last two years, which ballooned to 150,000 apps, some of those are fart apps.

I guess that’s what you mean? Right? It’s embarrassing at how little Apple has been doing. Only 3 Billion downloads? Give me a break! That’s horrible.

And I already know Google will prevail !

thing is @pple thinks differently, why else would they dictate terms to users of their devices on how to use them? you can do this on iphone/ipod, you can not do that on iphone/ipod. as per them they do not sell devices as well, they just kinda license/lease them out to people so they can dictate how they can be used.

Are those Google Apps the same apps that are freely available on the internet? Yes, it will be impossible for people with iPhones to access Google’s stuff if they take those apps off the iPhone. Absolutely impossible.

Come one people, there’s not different between Apple, Google and HTC, they are all businesses and none of them will let you take away their brands or invention unless they give it to you free* in order to profit in other things (*Android), but Google will suit us all if we try to profit from any of their inventions without paying anything, the same goes to Apple, HTC or whatever you want to name, this is business not Cuba and even Cuba is hunting down those that rip off its Cohiba cigar brand, so please stop believing that Apple is bad and Google is good, this is bullsh**t they need to profit from everything they have patented.

Business is about money, a few pennies or millions, but money.

I have to disagree. However _stupid_ software patients are (and continue to get), Apple has been hit with a number of lawsuits itself [citation needed - really?]. Apple is only playing the game.

Don’t pretend Apple is (or ever will be) Google.

Would those apps such as google maps be able to offer real time navigation if it’s being run through the website?

I’m sure all websites are that sophisticated without the use of an app what was I thinking?

Apple is not a software company, they’re a mobile device company (I think I heard someone high up at Apple say that, somebody named Jobs). They themselves say they don’t make any money off these “Stores”. Instead of wasting time on, oh lets say the “iPad” perhaps a new iPhone or iPhone OS that once again separated them from the bunch would have been time better spent.

Does anyone have any stats on how many of those 3 Billion downloads are free apps?

“Google shuts off Google Maps, iPhone users still access it by …wait for it …going to Google’s web site.”

and how the hell will it be useful? will you open maps in browser on mobile & then get directions or navigation? how? i guess you haven’t used any map software on a mobile before given that you just made this comment.

in case you have not noticed, gmail & gmaps apps have kind of monopoly on iphone, no other such app there & apple’s mobileme just didn’t fly much after their screwups cuz people do not like to pay for a service which crashes & deletes their important emails on a whim.

Doesn’t the Palm Pre use multi-touch technology? why aren’t they getting sued?

not so impossible, webservers can detect the browser accessing them, you could log in with your iphone browser and be redirected to a page just for iphone users.

I’ll reserve my comment until I read this, but wow just wow.

Multi-touch existed before Apple’s iPhone, which is why I thought they didn’t own it.

@ Paul I see you posting in a lot of Techcrunch Apple articles, and not the ones at Engadget anymore, I guess you got banned…

You play it out. Google shuts off Gmail on all iPhones, and just like that loses 20% of the market to run ads against. It’s not gonna happen, guy. Shareholders won’t have it. At the end of the day Google (and Apple) are out to make butt-loads of money. And that’s exactly what they are doing.

Dude, do you know how many companies have GPS apps on the iPhone? Are you kidding me?

In fact, most people blasted Apple for not integrating Turn-by-Turn into their Google Maps app. Most people will buy a better app in the App Store. I have a GPS app on my iPhone that cost me 3 dollars.

And the fact still remains, you can access Google Maps just fine from the Safari browser. Yes, there are some great integrated features that work across the iPhone, like the way contacts will automatically open back in Google Maps, but as I’ve said, Apple is doing more for Google than Google is doing for Apple because Apple has eight times the market share for mobile devices than Google.

The iPhone and iPod Touch bring a lot more eyes to Google’s services than all Android devices combined, so until that changes, Google is taking back sh*t. Google actually PAYS Apple 100 million every year to use Google Search by default in Mobile Safari.

The pinching of any product should not be patentable.

Multitouch itself is not a part of this lawsuit at all!

There are very weird patents that covers almost anything in modern mobile phones (for example, unlocking by gestures over a lockscreen), yes, but multitouch itself is not a part of this.

engadget have a great article about these patents

I really hope Google ramps up this attack and pulls YouTube for the iPhone. That way Apple may be forced into adding Flash support.

here you go.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-vs-htc-a-patent-breakdown/

Apple would lose much more if Google stops supporting the iPhone OS. Defending patents is fine, but Apple is walking a fine line here. Google doesn’t need the iPhone as much as the iPhone needs Google. Google makes plenty without the iPhone. This smells like Apple just trying to fire a shot across the bow of Google. Apple is in a bad place because Google is quickly becoming THE Internet for people, and they are suddenly looking to take the ONE thing Apple does that makes it’s money.

The picture is too Funny

but so indeed

this suit is much more about Google’s Android operating system than HT

http://www.udtek.com/laptop-ac-adapter-c-2.html

Yes, you’re right, because there isn’t one real time GPS app in the App Store right now. Not a single one. No Tom Tom or Navigon or TeleNav or even MapQuest. If Google takes away Google Maps, then iPhone users are completely screwed.

Somebody told me that there was a GPS app on the App Store that was only 99 cents (MotionX-GPS), but he was obviously lying.

http://www.navigadget.com/index.php/2009/06/29/iphone-gps-apps

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Wait, iPhone has 20% of Google’s ad market? Uh, no. Stupid comment.

Apple doesn’t need Google to have mail and apps. They just need Google to have Google mail and Google Maps. Without Google, the iPhone is a lesser device. Apple is terrified, That’s why they did NOT sue Google directly. They are just throwing chaff to slow down the persuit. Google is trying to take the smart phone market away.

I remember reading a few articles that Apple may have neglected to site some prior art in the multitouch patent:
http://industry.bnet.com/technology/1000741/can-apples-multi-touch-patent-withstand-scrutiny-or-challenge/

If true – and I’m sure HTC and Google are looking into it – it would invalidate their patent.

I’m pretty sure if someone lifted your work wholesale at some point you’d want to sue the infringer too.

Android OS as implemented by HTC in many of its phones tries to ape iPhone every chance it gets and puts a minor spin on it. I think at some point Apple decided that enough is enough. Cupertino guys aren’t getting paid to act as the R&D lab for a Taiwanese company.

It’s simple as that.

Apple is going after Google by trying to intimidate their hardware partners as Android is quite useless if no one will build to it. It’s pretty a pretty brilliant move. As Motorola is already getting screwed by Google, and Samsung is building their own platform, HTC remains the only hope for Google for distribution (no one’s counting Dell or Lenovo yet). Apple is trying to force HTC to believe a Google partnership just ain’t worth it. Back to Windows Mobile for them, which wouldn’t concern Apple at all.

It’s fun to watch.

Unfortunately for you, this is not a movie.

Remember who many people celebrated when Nokia started suing Apple because of their patents? I’d wager that those same people are now pissed off that Apple is now doing the same thing.

They pretend they’re mad because they believe in innovation and open markets and blah, blah, blah, but the truth is, they just hate Apple.

There is no point in pouring millions into a new technology if another company can just come behind you and duplicate it without spending a cent. Apple is absolutely doing the right thing.

I don’t know why people are so surprised. Steve Jobs did promise at MacWorld 2007 that Apple was going to protect their multi-touch patents. I’m surprised it took them this long.

Oh come on, really? Don’t you remember the nice settlement that Apple tried to get out of Microsoft for Windows? They’re attacking it in this suit again, I believe the line is “object oriented graphical user interface.” This is an example of patent fishing run amuck.

lol//

If google is foolish enough to implicate themselves, then they will go down along with htc! Bye, bye google

sweeeeeeeeet!

@ Frank

How does not defending patents/trademarks effect a company; if a company has good products and continues to make good products or services they will not weaken

Just ask Xerox or Kimberly-Clark with Kleenex they have become genericized trademarks and they continue to survive.

If you shit is better regardless of the patents or trademarks you will be king.

You could have fully access to all Apple, Microsoft, IBM, GE, & Sony Patents that does not mean you will make perfect products; it depends on the company and their idea’s

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

Of course this is all a wash. This suit is going to bring the multi-touch patent up for question in court. You may see a judge throw the current patent out because it is too broad.

In fact, Apple bringing this suit is only going ot bring more mainstream attention to the google phones making people wonder if it is a real alternative to the Apple phone.

Motion-X GPS is $3 a month.

Keep your friends close but your enemies closer. A and G were not friends, they were enemies of each others enemy, which made them friends sorta. Sounds to me like a relationship where the person tries to get whatever they need out of the other person and dumps em when they don’t need em anymore.

Nope, right now Motion-X GPS is 99 cents on the App Store. I just checked.

That compares to googles price of free? No not a single one.

Axel, you will see how wrong you are when apple loses their patent. Fuck Apple. And Fuck You!

These broad based US patents will kill innovation in software. The US is a ridiculously litigious society. On the one hand US has a system of antitrust suits for monopolies (even if the companies got to that position on the basis of innovation), on the other, they allow such ridiculously broad based patents to restrict competition and enable monopolies.

I wonder if software would have been better of with just Copyright protection rather than the anti-innovation patent restrictions?

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im glad apple doesnt have a patent on touching.Sick and tired of this company,i wish people would get smarter and forced them to change their evil ways

I’m rooting for the billionaire!

Is the Droid an HTC phone? I’m pretty sure it’s made by Motorola.

Paul, sorry to ever say this online, but, you’re an idiot, a fanboy, and a bit defensive.

Relax. Take a deep breath and gain some perspective.

The apps you’re speaking about – they are second tier. They always will be. You’re comparing Motion X GPS (or whatever) to Google Maps (and Navigation). It can’t handle multi-destinations to begin with…

Anyway, on to Mail, Search and everything else you’re speaking of. Yes, you can open your browser every time and navigate to a page. That defeats pretty much the entire purpose of having native apps on your phone. Why not just have a phone with a browser and no apps? Because it’s inconvenient, and over time, people wants convenience. They want information at their fingertips.

At the end of the day it doesn’t matter. This won’t have the implications everyone thinks it will. Seriously. It won’t.

Or the hypocrites that trashed Nokia and now try to defend Apple?

I don’t hate apple. But Apple fanboys that cant look at this objectively do irritate me.

Steve, I told you before.

Please see our patented finger gesture below…

UMMMM…what defines the Android OS? I don’t think what Apple is suing over is the underlying code (Linux). The GUI is HTC, hardware is HTC…honestly Google gets way to much credit for anything that it does. Google has become a parasite. There CEO was on Apple’s board…looks like we now know why. To steal some sort of vision for his company. Old story. Do No Evil…BS. They didn’t back HTC, they back Android (Linux).

Except Windows is not an object oriented OS or GUI.

How do you know who funded that research? Take wifi cards for instance Apple worked with & seeded money to texas instruments to figure out how to make that tech. affordable. Apple isn’t Dell or HTC for that matter & Google has no hardware, OS, or customer service experience.

None of this BS better tie up my Droid Eris getting the Android 2.1 update….

With $40 billion in your (aluminum) cashbox, you can own pretty much whatever you want.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FingerWorks

The only problem with that image is that the scene in the movie, when played out, has “Apple” kicking “HTC”‘s butt and “Google” doesn’t step in to help letting “Apple” walk away with the cash.

Go HTC/Google!

lol

The complaint filed in the District Court does not currently include Google as a defendant.

However, Apple’s ITC proceeding is an action against the devices being imported (e.g., cases might be called “Ex Parte 1,000 cases of batteries”). It’s an alternative proceeding to block infringing products from being imported into the US.

If those imports include the Nexus One, Google is directly impacted despite not being listed in any complaint.

I was just making a point. The fact that I’m a fanboy doesn’t mean I’m wrong and you know it.

But that’s besides the point. Google will never remove their apps from the iPhone, but if they do, it won’t be as disastrous as people think. Google has a lot of market share because they give their services away for free, but that is also their Achillies heel. The only way to stop iPhone users from using their services, would be to put the services behind a payment wall and that would kill the one thing that made Google popular in the first place.

Also, Apple has 40 Billion in the bank. What’s to stop them from buying a GPS company like Tom Tom or Garmin or MapQuest and use that as their native Map App instead?

And there’s alternatives to just about everything else Google has. Yahoo Mail is already on the iPhone. Bing could replace Google Search, but who really gives a crap about that? Creating a bookmark for Google Search is just as easy as using the default search field in Mobile Safari.

Google has nothing to bargain with. Apple, on the other hand, has iTunes, the App Store, iBooks, Multi-touch patents, the iPod Touch (which sells more units than iPhone) and the iPad, which will create another branch for the iPhone OS platform.

My money is on Apple.

So, that’s your scenario? Google removes Google Maps from the iPhone and everyone immediately runs away from their iPhone because they don’t want to pay 99 cents (or 3 dollars) for a GPS app?

LOL, yeah, THAT will happen. Sure.

Go after the weak link first, get goog talking about multitouch from discovery, then go after goog.

I just get the feeling that Google’s eventual future countersuit or patent play will be in mobile advertising…

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Apple’s choice to target HTC vs Google is a well played move. It would provide several benefits to Apple. 1) It would make manufactures afraid to use the Android OS and move to the other options that Apple sees as less of a treat. 2) It would eliminate a large supplier of Android phones from shipping to the US 3) Although Apple to push Google into admitting a patent violation before the case is brought to court by supporting HTCs use of its Android OS and thus making for an easier and shorter court battle for Apple vs Google

it is google…insightful google..

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Jobs to staff: “What do you mean the damn things’s an open O.S.? ”
Head of marketing: “Don’t worry – people won’t think it’s a serious platform if it’s not closed and you have to pay to build and sell apps. Microsoft got away with that for years”
Jobs: “You mean you can build an app for free? The tooling and OS are free?”
Head of marketing: “Er…”
Newbie: “But what about Flash?”
Jobs: “Well what about Flash?”
Head of engineering to Newbie: “I told you not to mention that”
Jobs: ” Tell me, what about Flash?”
Head of engineering to Newbie: “Don’t…”
Jobs: “Tell me what about f@@@ing Flash?
Newbie: “Android 10.1 runs Flash”
All heads: “Groan…”
Jobs: “What?”
Newbie: “It runs Flash…. er .. and we don’t. On the iPhone or… er … the iPad. You know… real web experience and all that…”
Head of legal: “Don’t worry….we’ll sue before anyone notices….”

Are you the same loser who infested every Apple related post on Engadget?

Now that you’ve been voted down there and your posts never show up anymore, you come and try to pollute this blog as well?

Can we have a voting system for comments?

Chapel, go back to Engadget, please.

Pssst, don’t tell Chapel that…

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Jerry, jerry, jerry, jerry, jerry

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+1. Ahmen Frank G.

This is business – not good and evil.

IP lawsuits are typically about creating investment risk.

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I have both an Iphone and a G1. I am happy with both and both are very different from each other. The only difference I see is that Apple loves to charge for upgrades whether it is for software or hardware. I have not paid for a single software upgrade for my G1 and don’t think Google will ever charge the public for one. If Apple continues down this path, the public will resent them and rally around Google. This strong-arm bullying is just going to change the public image of Steve Jobs and Apple to look just like Microsoft and Bill Gates.

Word. The US patent system is unfortunately positioned to reward those skilled at patenting at the expense of those skilled at innovating. Apple is a straight up patent troll, as are many other companies. If Apple could patent ‘patent trolling’ as an actual process, they likely would. Wouldn’t that be funny?

As a previous iPhone owner, I can tell you that Android phones are far superior. My tech friends ( @GA Tech, mostly ) turned me on to the Nexus 1 phone and Droid about a month ago. Androids made me embarrassed to be an iPhone user. The iPhone has become the same old boring crap–the upgrades have become a joke. I admit I bought into the iPhone hype ! I think this lawsuit is based on the fear that Androids will take over the market. If Apple wanted to avoid backlash, they would come out with an awesome upgrade and cut back on the 50,000 useless garbage apps that are clogging their market. This lawsuit makes them look like ASSES. Afterall, how many patents were violated to make iPhone?

Google will slap Apple silly.

I think the lawsuit is more of a warning before Apple presents iphoneos 4.0 – which probably is the real os for ipad and most likely includes many more patent-pending gestures and stuff.

And Android is just a quick copycat product based on iphone so who cares.

I would never think I would say this but much more respect to Microsoft – they are at least *trying* to make something better with WinPhone 7.0.

Google is just copycat:ing various products and services and giving away free to protect its ad business. I think Google is a very anti-innovation company in this way and their arrogance regarding privacy threatens the success of cloud-computing as they will provoke a backlash.

Well, at least we know why Jobs need that big pile of cash Apple has.

Why does Apple get to be Sherlock Holmes in the pic when they are clearly the overbearingly obnoxious brawler dude who is starting shit he can’t finish

No, the truth is I just hate you. And I’m typing this on my iPhone.

Google maps are much better on Android. I can now not only bring up turn by turn, I can verbally say where I want to go, scan the area before I get there, get street view, say “restaurants” and get every restaurant on the area, tap on any one and get full info on the restaurant, full menu, prices, customer reviews, then have the navi kick in and tell me how to get there. All this on an amoled screen that rivals hdtv with a processor that makes my old 3GS iPhone seem…..geriatric

hahaha, that comment made my day! Thanks!!!

I liked the corny line “Apple multi-punching back”. Makes me think this fight will get scrappy like a game of Mike Tyson’s Punch Out.

Aping iPhone ? Are you joking ? My Nexus is a better phone in every category. Iphone by comparison is still in the dark ages and still lacks features that most smartphones have had for YEARS. Just wait ’til the iPhone upgrade in June. I would bet that Apple will be “aping” Android phones in a desperate attempt to keep up with Android technology. Jobs is whining and suing because he’s starting to lose the battle

Steve hates Apple, Google more so.

Regards
Steve

Didn’t you know Siegler is first an Apple fanboy and then the rest…

It’s a slightly different version of “The Final Solution” where Sherlock gets his ass kicked and is thrown off a cliff. Only this time, faithful readers don’t petition to have him brought back to life.

Precisely. No one seems to get this. I’m sure at some point Nokia would have said, if you don’t agree to pay us X we will sue you, and they did.
Similarly, Apple told Google, you’ve already ripped off a few things, take multi-touch and we’ll sue you. And they did.

Why every Ravindra Bhanchhod here is getting their panties in a bunch and ‘hating’ Apple, I don’t understand. This is how it works. Watch it play out, don’t stress. Google will be forced to make some changes or pay a royalty. I’m sure Apple just prefers the changes.

Did you see their latest results? Don’t need to kick a man out who will show himself the door.

ever heard of Internet censorship?

basically same idea will be used in targeting safari users if ever Apple does piss off google. But instead of Google mail, docs, calendar, maps being filtered out and blocked on Apple products, it will be the opposite of it. servers will block incoming requests from iphone users, mac, touch, Apple etc products. Then BAM! you apple fanboy who depended on Google products have a lonely life cause you cannot access maps anymore. so you have no choice but to buy a asus eeeepc because you don’t have money and spent it all on your overpriced mac products. well actually here’s the great deal you got. Eee pc are good quality pcs for under 300 dollars. Wow, great deal right?

They are talking about the Verizon Droid Eris…. I’ve never seen a motorola phone like that…

Preteens must really love fart and belch apps. A lot.

Wow. Guess people are just dumb and are forced to comply with Apple’s evil ways. Poor us.

Hi, thanks for a nice article. I have an idea for your next one… Could you please write something like a report summary of all lawsuits in several past years between the big “names”? I think it could be useful to have a table showing scores:-) I mean it, because I am confused of all what is going on in courtrooms between Microsoft, Apple, Google, Yahoo etc. It ´s a match, right?:-)

apple=sucks

Anyone who wants to write or run the programs they want, on the hardware they own, has a dog in this fight.

What you utterly fail to realize is that people hate Apple for a reason. More specifically a reason that you just mentioned. Nokia arguably invented GSM, and when they asked Apple to cross-license those patents, Apple tried to claim that Nokia’s patents on basic phone technology were worthless, because they were obvious. Then, just a few months later, while still being sued for infringing on Nokia, Kodak and RIM patents which Apple steadfastly claim are obvious, and that they shouldn’t have to license, they turn around and sue a company for swiping to unlock a phone, and using graphic display elements in their OS.

This is SOP for Apple. The list of willful infringement by Apple of other’s Patents, Trademarks, and Copyright is very long, yet Apple struts around accusing the universe of stealing everything from them, including the stuff they stole from others, and then claimed to invent. If you can’t see the infuriating hypocrisy there, then there is no hope of any rational conversation with you.

I’m rooting for the other billionaire! Very passionately at that.

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I just don’t understand, how can one company keep some of its patents private and kill the competition? Keeping patents private and not giving lisence to the company who legitimately asking for it, it is straight away monopoly.

[...] Google Backs Its Boy, HTC, In The Apple Lawsuit Ring [...]

Erm yes it is. GUI stands for graphical user interface…… there are verry few OS that are not GUI these days, and of all of those they are all *nix.

Software patents should not be allowed. This is almost as retarded as microsoft getting sued for the way they parse XML …….. Maybe if our goverment got a few programmers to advise them on this stuff they would stop being so stupid.

[...] and their Android platform in their sights, the search giant has stepped up to the plate with a statement of support for their HTC [...]

(weired posted a second time and it removed my first post, so here it is again)

Erm….yes it is. GUI stands for graphical user interface. Every OS out there these days is GUI with the exception a small hand full and all of those are *nix

(my coments keep being deleted… ah well i will just keep on posting them)
I don’t think that google would shut off their products to anyone but just so you understand, they could shut it off to them. They would simply check the browser type programmicly and then if the browser is whatever type the iphone uses display nothing. If they took this route thou it would reduce their traphic because it would deny access to anyone on a regualr computer that uses the same browser as the iphone.

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On another note this lawsuite is ALMOST as dumb as microsoft getting sued for the way they parse XML. Our goverment should have a few programmers to consult with them on this subject and maybe they would understand why it is such a retarded practice.

Erm….. yes it is. GUI stands for graphical user Interface. All Os these days are GUI with the exception of a few *nix Os

Hey Google…you’ve got next…or you can license parts of Android from us.

Not that big a deal.

Steve Jobs
sent from my iPhone

Hi,

Very informative post. Google will be influencing each and every sector in future.

– Richard
http://www.bluent.net

[...] te lezen op techcrunch, Google steunt HTC tegen Apple. Zoals Google zelf zegt; “We are not a party to this lawsuit. [...]

[...] talking to the TechCrunch via email a Google’s spokesman said “We are not a party to this lawsuit. However, we stand [...]

I think that the guy who invented multi touch was working at the University of Delaware when he invented it. He went to Apple later on but afaik the UD might have a claim to the ip. Link below explains it.

http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/07/1920243

First round:

iPhoney vs. Android

Second round:

Windroid vs. ???

http://windroid.com

Nice article !!

Google should just buy HTC

you’re full of hotair fanboi. forgetting youtube? lets see how fast u go running to adobe if youtube doesn’t encode your vids and you need flash!

[...] colpire Big G, seppur indirettamente. A Mountain View hanno qualcosa da dire a riguardo. Con una nota inviata a TechCrunch Google ha fatto sapere che l’azienda si schiera totalmente dalla parte di [...]

Google indeed has a lot of power over the iPhone OS. Turning off maps and gmail not too bad?

How about stopping to render youtube videos to an iPhone supported format?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube#Platforms

TechCrunch photo editors pick another perfect photo to illustrate a headline and story.

Reading Steve Jobs’ letter on the Apple website I came upon a part that says that innovation is cool, but people should not steal from Apple.

Alright, fair enough! So stop “sampling” the innovations from the open source software community and calling them yours.

[...] colpire Big G, seppur indirettamente. A Mountain View hanno qualcosa da dire a riguardo. Con una nota inviata a TechCrunch Google ha fatto sapere che l’azienda si schiera totalmente dalla parte di [...]

[...] Google tenía que decir algo al respecto y dijo lo siguiente en un email a techcrunch “Nosotros no somos parte en este juicio. Sin embargo, estamos detrás de nuestro sistema [...]

MG, your ability to consistently come up with obscure movie frames for articles is second to none. Keep ‘em comin’!

[...] TechCrunch provides some intel As you’ve undoubtedly heard by now, Apple has filed a lawsuit against device-maker HTC over 20 patents they control. As you might imagine, Google has something to say about it too. [...]

apple :)

Google bought Android several years before Apple announced the iphone

With all due respect, your juvenile headlines aren’t cool. They make me ignore your articles.

Google should patent the use of a multitasking OS on a mobile device. If Apple ever enables that, (and with the iPad, users are going to want it), Google should sue.

I’m ditching my Iphone for the nicest Android out when my contract is up. I’m so tired of the bullshit sacrifices I have to make so that Apple can keep its hardware and software a perfectly controlled environment. I’m happy that Jobs paved the way for smartphones not constricted by carriers, but he needs to stop this crap. Accept the competition, embrace it even. It will spur you to make your product better, which, by the way, its starting to lag. I’m glad that you’re phone is so easy to use that a toddler can operate it, but I’m not a toddler. I want to customize and have my own features activated. And Apple, you won’t let me. Now this crap? Come on, get out of court and get into the lab.

What people need to remember is that HTC’s first touchscreen phone was actually relesed just BEFORE the first iPhone. Of course, Apple got all the press coverage and credit, but HTC was just as innovative in bringing touch to smartphones.

My take on this is, Microsoft must be squealing in delight as it watches Apple and Google go head to head.

aditya, android doesn’t try to take everything the iPhone OS does and “spin” it off in some cheap way, apple shouldn’t be able to patent an OBVIOUS, intuitive user interface experience, they might as well just try to patent the ability to touch your damn phone at all
faggot

I’m having a lot of doubts about the Android platform nowadays. I think Google don’t know how to simplify things. It’s a really core problem for them. Android is about 2yrs old and it’s already fragmented!

What everyone needs to ask themselves is this:

What will stop consumers moving from one phone os to another?

Apple have apps + games (alot of which re paid for)
RIM have BlackBerry Messenger, Keyboard + BIS.

WIndows Phone 7 + Android are both offering the same mix of things. The competition is not iphone vs Android but WM7 vs Android. I’m not sure google is going to survive the redmond onslaught. HTC + LG customers are not going to care about dropping android and going WM7. Google need to be worried about how they execute their technology offerings.. They just seem reall sloppy right now..

“War….. Has changed. An endless fight of proxy battles.”

I think this will be the deciding case where the patent office will be changed, these software lawsuits are getting out of hand.

[...] Apple has specifically targeted Android devices. To thicken the plot, Google issued a statement to Techcrunch that they’ll back HTC and its Android [...]

I guess it’s legal thing — Google doesn’t own Android (the OHA does), so they’re not technically part of this lawsuit in any way.

You sound like a true Google shill my friend. If anything Apple DOES NOT need Google. After all there are many search engine options, such as BING, YAHOO & so on. I was wondering why APPLE was sitting on so much CASH, & now I can see it all clearly.

“basically same idea will be used in targeting safari users if ever Apple does piss off google. But instead of Google mail, docs, calendar, maps being filtered out and blocked on Apple products”

LOL, that will NEVER happen. The “Do No Evil” Google would not only be cutting off a large swath of internet users (70 million and counting), but they would also open themselves up more to Anti-Trust regulators.

Google is already being scrutinized heavily in the EU. And as I’ve already stated, Apple could easily buy one of many GPS companies and ditch Google Maps.

More people use Yahoo Mail than Gmail, so taking away Gmail is no threat. Google Search can be replaced by Bing or Yahoo Search.

There’s nothing that Google can take away that Apple couldn’t easily replace by going to a competitor or buying a company, so no, blocking Safari Mobile won’t work either. And it would actually hurt Google more in the long run, because a large swath of iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad users would suddenly be using competing non-Google services. Sorry, guys. Not going to happen.

“forgetting youtube?”

Is this the same YouTube that’s being converted over to HTML5? Yeah, I wouldn’t be too certain about that being blocked either.

Google has a HTML5 beta for YouTube and Mobile Safari supports HTML5. The only reason Apple needs a native app for YouTube is because they don’t support Flash.

That won’t be a problem once YouTube goes totally HTML5, so I don’t see this being a problem either.

And remember, it’s not like iPhones are incapable of running Flash, Apple just DOESN’T ALLOW IT, so if push came shove and Google absolutely killed the HTML5 version of YouTube (which they won’t), then Apple could always allow Flash (which they won’t, but still, it’s possible).

Uhm, then MS should sue Apple for multi touch. Ctrl + Alt + Del.

I have been multi touching for years.

+1

Comment made my day!

I think he was referring to the software development paradigm that turns small blocks of related code into “Objects” (object oriented), instead of a literal GUI.

Windows is not an object oriented GUI (it is a GUI though).

Where as a good portion of KDE (the Qt toolkit) is object oriented with its C++ language, as well as OS X with its Objective-C/Cocoa background.

Windows vista and 7 show that a lot of work has been made moving the older codebase over to C# and .NET, but it still doesnt make the GUI object oriented.

+1! LOL!

Google should employ a way to make all their services, search and site unavailable to the iPhone.

Apple may have the hardware advantage at the moment, but Google could make the iPhone less attractive by disabling its ability to use its services.

As much as I enjoy my Macbook Pro, I despise Apple as a company because it is basically a company front held up by a swath of d-bag lawyers. Apple has lots of products where they’ve used others’ innovations. Apple is not necessarily an innovative company as much as they are a marketing powerhouse.

Jobs is a hipocrite.
“Good artists copy great artists steal”

Ahahah.

“Still, for whatever reason, Google is not named in the suit”

Um, it’s because Android is OSS. Apple doesn’t want to inflame the open source community, but needs to do something to slow the growth of Android.

Your name is a like a synonym for twat.

This is absurd, now patents given out for “Touch” Gig em’ Google!

What ever happens, HTC will continue to make Android devices.

[...] Google Backs Its Boy, HTC, In The Apple Lawsuit Ring [...]

[...] you expect Google to stay silent? Of course not. While HTC has yet to publish any public statement, Google contacted TechCrunch to stake their ground: “We are not a party to this lawsuit. However, we stand behind our Android [...]

[...] Google Backs Its Boy, HTC, In The Apple Lawsuit Ring [...]

The idea of Google shutting off services to Apple products is idiotic. Google isn’t going to do that. What they are, and if fact have already done, is stop developing native iPhone applications. You can laugh that off all you want, but the reality is that the user base for Google’s services is a LOT bigger than Apple’s user base, and those users are very likely to go where they have the best experience with Google services.

If you think that is an insignificant issue, then you can’t see the larger picture. If all Google ever had were the services they have today, maybe it would be a minor issue, but plenty of infant Google services have a long way to go. Google Voice, Wave, Buzz and the evolution of Maps into a richer navigation and social product, are all going to be a big deal in the coming years, and those are all things iPhone users will have to sit outside and look at through a browser window, while the rest of the world gets them as rich native experiences on their phone.

It is a growing problem for Apple. They are painting themselves in a corner. More and more they are pitting themselves as an enemy to EVERYONE. Now they hate Adobe, and think Adobe are lazy, now they hate Google, and think Google is their enemy. Yet Adobe and Google both have a ridiculous number of users. There are people who’s entire career has been built around Adobe products (a great many of them long-time Mac users), and now Steve Jobs wants them to forsake Adobe products because he has had a tiff with them? There are a silly number of people who have turned to Google for every part of their personal lives, but now Steve Jobs wants them to accept having inferior access to Google services than the rest of the smartphone world, because he’s having a tiff with Google?

The way this is heading, pretty soon if you want to use an Apple product, you will have to go back to the old days of being a second class citizen in the computing world, because Apple is making it impossible for anyone to partner with them. Apple clearly has decided that anyone using an Apple product should use Apple software and Apple services on that product, to the exclusion of all else. Now I have no doubt that there are millions of people like you who will do whatever Apple tells them to, but ultimately that road leads right back to where Apple was ten years ago, with nothing but a die-hard contingent of fanatics.

I am amazed to see Apple doing EXACTLY the same thing in the smartphone space that they did at the beginning of the PC revolution. Did they not learn anything?

Oh please, there are NOWHERE NEAR 70 million users on Apple platforms. 1 device sold != 1 user. If it did, there would be more Windows or even Nokia users on Earth than there are people! Can we please put a stop to this bullshit of claiming that every Apple product ever sold is still a functioning device that should be counted as a user?

The iPhone OS accounts for half of a percentage point, that is .5%, of all web traffic!

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8

That is hardly an overwhelming amount of traffic that Google can’t live without!

All flavors of Safari combined are less than 4% of the web traffic.

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

Apple does not represent some unstoppable user base that no one can live without.

Only someone who hasn’t used Android would call it a “quick copycat” of the iPhone. Just 30 seconds on the device would show you how very different the two OS-es are. Unless of course you are too stupid to do anything but launch an app/ go to the home screen/ launch an app/ go to the home screen / launch an app, ad infinitum.

The US patent system is so screwed, big companies have quotas for so many thousand new patents per year. They even compete with eachother to have the most each year.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-10433197-76.html

IBM is the patent champion for the 17th year in a row with nearly 5,000 patents in 2009. The big companies use patents to bash eachother over the head with. They trade patent licenses and use them as bargaining tools.

The biggest losers are the small guys who are not experts on patents, they get squeezed out. It seems the US patent system does the opposite of what it was supposed to do, especially with software patents. The US should at least get rid of software patents, the EU don’t have them.

+1
and

Ease up, tightwad. The WSJ is only a url away.

I like the hip, urban jive on here…it reflects the tech community.

[...] you expect Google to stay silent? Of course not. While HTC has yet to publish any public statement, Google contacted TechCrunch to stake their ground: “We are not a party to this lawsuit. However, we stand behind our Android [...]

[...] So, as you probably know, Apple is suing HTC over the Nexus One. Here is what Google have to say. [...]

As a user, I confess myself thrilled when competition takes place via the legal talent, rather than developers. So innovative !…

Henri

[...] told the following statement to TechCrunch: “We are not a party to this lawsuit. However, we stand behind our Android operating system [...]

[...] you expect Google to stay silent? Of course not. While HTC has yet to publish any public statement, Google contacted TechCrunch to stake their ground: “We are not a party to this lawsuit. However, we stand behind our Android [...]

[...] you expect Google to stay silent? Of course not. While HTC has yet to publish any public statement, Google contacted TechCrunch to stake their ground: “We are not a party to this lawsuit. However, we stand behind our Android [...]

[...] Google contacted TechCrunch regarding Apple’s lawsuit, and they had this to say: “We are not a party to this [...]

Steve Jobs fancies himself as such a tech bad ass but doesn’t have the stones to name Google in the suit? Why Steve? Are you afraid Google’s massive legal team and endless resources will make your ambition of killing-off an emerging competitor to your pretentious iDevice go BOOM? Ha ha ha I love it!

[...] Google Backs Its Boy, HTC, In The Apple Lawsuit Ring (tags: android google apple iphone patent) [...]

[...] Android, una jugada más en una guerra por el futuro. Google en un correo electrónico dirigido a TechCrunch ha salido en la defensa de HTC y del resto de las compañías que están ayudando a [...]

[...] Despite Google enabling multitouch on Android, allowing developers like HTC and even Motorola to add multitouch capabilities to their respective devices, the lawsuit doesn’t involve Google. Google did not go into specific details as to how it plans to support HTC in the lawsuit. [via TechCrunch] [...]

[...] HTC decided to respond to the Apple lawsuit. And since they sensed Apple and a conflict, Google responded too. While a lot of people think this is going to be bad for everything (examples: here, here and here [...]

[...] that they will be suing HTC for over 20 iPhone-related patent infringements. Today, TechCrunch is reporting that a Google spokesperson said yesterday that they “stand behind” [...]

[...] told the following statement to TechCrunch: “We are not a party to this lawsuit. However, we stand behind our Android operating system [...]

[...] you expect Google to stay silent? Of course not. While HTC has yet to publish any public statement, Google contacted TechCrunch to stake their ground: “We are not a party to this lawsuit. However, we stand behind our Android [...]

[...] you expect Google to stay silent? Of course not. While HTC has yet to publish any public statement, Google contacted TechCrunch to stake their ground: “We are not a party to this lawsuit. However, we stand behind our Android [...]

Apple is playing by the rules here. BUT, the thing Apple argues about have to do with a general way of dealing with devices – today and in the future – such as multitouching. Multitouching CAN NOT be an Apple’s propriety, it is the logical and most natural way to deal with a device, in the future it won’t be Apple’s or sure!

[...] Google Backs Its Boy, HTC, In The Apple Lawsuit Ring – Google has decided to stand with HTC, even though Android is not a part of Apple’s [...]

[...] Fuente [...]

[...] told the following statement to TechCrunch: “We are not a party to this lawsuit. However, we stand behind our Android operating system and [...]

[...] Via Valleywag and TechCrunch [...]

“Jobs is whining and suing because he’s starting to lose the battle”
It’s already been lost.

[...] what does Google think about the lawsuit from its one-time bosom buddy? A Google spokesperson sent out an unsolicited response to the situation, stating, “We are not a party to this lawsuit. However, we stand behind our [...]

[...] Nexus One o “Google Phone”. Así es que la gran G se sintió aludida de todos modos y envió una respuesta: No somos parte de la demanda. Sin embargo, apoyamos a nuestro sistema operativo Android y a los [...]

[...] is going to go to bat for HTC as they are pushing out Android in a big way on the HTC phones. TechCrunch has pointed out that Google’s official position is to basically protect their investment. So [...]

[...] 也把 Apple 此举视作对自己的挑战。一位 Google 发言人通过邮件向 TechCrunch 网站表明了公司的态度： 我们没有被卷入这次诉讼。但是我们将力挺 Android [...]

[...] techcrunch] Tags: Android, apple, Google, HTC, iPhone Share this [...]

Is HTC Apple’s “White Man’s Burden”?
http://www.shanzai.com/index.php/market-mayhem/8-op-ed/758-is-htc-apples-white-mans-burden

Logitech applied for a multitouch patent in 1996 and it was granted in 1998; US Patent # 5,825,352. The Taiwanese touchpad company ElanTech now owns this patent; last April they sued Apple for infringment. http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/08/elan-turns-the-tables-on-apple-sues-for-multitouch-patent-infri/

This patent was filed 12 years before Apple’s multitouch patent.

Apple should spend some of their $40 billion to buy ElanTech before Google does. The speculation last April when this story broke was that Google has a cross licensing agreement with ElanTech.

[...] He said I could post it here as well, so give it a read if you care at all about the advancement of technology! As you may have heard, Apple has filed a patent lawsuit against cell phone manufacturer HTC (manufacturer of the “Google Phone” the Nexus One). And as you may have also figured out, these lawsuits are a thinly-veiled attack against Google’s Android OS as well (Google, despite not being directly named in any of the lawsuits, released a statement in defense of HTC). [...]

LOL, you are a moron. iPhone and iPod Touch users number upwards of 70 million. 80 million to be current, but the last time Apple revealed their numbers, they had sold 42.517 million iPhones and 32.483 million iPod touches. Google would never block that many users from their services.

By this time next year, there will be over 100 million iPhone OS users. With the iPad coming out, it is going to really explode.

http://theappleblog.com/2010/01/28/ipod-touch-now-outselling-iphone/

I know it makes you mad, but Apple is world wide and popular. They’re the same company that sold 250 million iPods.

So you’re going to completely ignore the fact that Google ruined this partnership with Apple by going behind Apple’s back and creating Android, after Eric Schimdt had intimate knowledge that the iPhone was coming out?

Looks to me like Google has a problem with partnerships. Google is also the company that released their own Android phone (Nexus), thereby stabbing Motorola in the back shortly after the release of Droid. And don’t get me started about Adobe.

And dude, no one knows about Google Voice, Wave, and Buzz, except for geeks. Just about every new product that Google has come out with in the last ten years has sucked and failed.

Have you heard of all these failed Google Services:

Google Video
Knol
Google Answers
Google Lively
Orkut
Google Health
Google Catalog
Google Web Accelerator
Google Viewer

No? That’s because no one ever talks about Google’s failures. Google has a long list of failures. They’ve been burning through money like it’s going out of style. The only thing they’ve done that has been successful is search. Even stuff like YouTube looses them a significant amount of money every year. Sorry, dude, but Google won’t be your white knight. The Android market is already horribly fragmented.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/pacman3000/4173955877/

And it’s really sad that you compare Apple’s current situation to crap that happened 26 freaking years ago, instead of last decade where they completely owned everybody.

First of all, Apple has ecosystem that no one will break. iTunes/App Store/iBooks.

Apple also has retail stores. Did they have retail stores back in 1984? No. Did they have something like iTunes, which has 150 million credit card accounts? No. Did they have an App Store with 150,000 apps? No. Did they have Steve Jobs for the entire eighties? No. Was Apple the number 1 music retailer in the world back then? Did Apple control 70 percent of any market back then (like they do with MP3 players?)? Nope.

If would be one thing if Apple had all those things back in the eighties and lost it all to Microsoft, but Apple was no where near as powerful back then as they are now. So your comparison really sucks.

Apple has a unstoppable ecosystem, the best CEO of the decade, and almost as much money in the bank as MICROSOFT (40 Billion versus 41 Billion). I think they will do just fine this time and I think you know it too (which is why you’re so upset).

[...] TechCrunch is reporting that a Google spokesperson has issued a statement claiming Google will “stand behind” HTC during it’s patent battle with Apple. “We are not a party to this lawsuit. However, we stand behind our Android operating system and the partners who have helped us to develop it,” a Google spokesperson emailed us. [...]

[...] about Android than anything else, the suit mentioned some Window Mobile devices as well.Google, via email, told TechCrunch the following: "We are not a party to this lawsuit. However, we stand behind our [...]

[...] HTC Dream (T-Mobile G1), HTC Hero (T-Mobile G2 Touch), HTC Droid Eris sowie das Nexus One. Quelle: Google Backs Its Boy, HTC, In The Apple Lawsuit Ring __________________ Meine Motorola Milestone Fotos Android-Hilfe.de bei [...]

[...] [TechCrunch].You may have heard about the Apple filed a lawsuit against HTC for a supposedly 20 patents it controls. I love battles like these, Google seems to be the silent fighter here, directly involved with its Android OS, but not named in the lawsuit as yet. Battle on Baby! Competition is good for us, the consumers! [...]

[...] Alors qu’Apple a attaqué HTC, on en parlait hier, c’est Google, non directement cité dans l’affaire, qui répond via TechCrunch ! [...]

[...] Partnern, die an der Entwicklung beteiligt seien, erklärt ein Google-Sprecher in einer E-Mail an Techcrunch. Vor allem beim Nexus One haben Google und HTC eng [...]

Yeah, except development on Android started in 2003, and Google bought them in 2005. So unless this is another one of those cases where people think that Apple’s competitors have secretly invented a time machine that they only use to “steal” Apple inventions years before Apple invented them, then I think your argument is pretty much shot to hell.

Well, I wrote a long-winded reply to you, but it seems to have completely disappeared. If it ever shows up, then knock yourself out.

The short version is:

Yeah you’re right, Android is just another one of those instances where someone shamelessly copied Apple, then invented a time machine, when back to 2003, and started working on the shameless copy of something that wouldn’t be out for another 4 years.

You are also right about what a failure Google is. With their paltry 43% of all web traffic, and their laughable 100+ million regular users, it is amazing those idiots can even manage to keep the doors open.

Of course the real revelation was how you detailed that the majority of the population are “geeks” and only the tiny 4% of the population who buy Apple products are “normal” people!

No, really there aren’t. You can keep saying it, but it doesn’t make it true. 70 million devices sold does not equal 70 million users. Nokia has sold more phones that the population of the planet, that does not mean that there are extraterrestrial Nokia users.

As I said above, the iPhoneOS accounts for half a percentage point of all web traffic. That is not 70 million users. In fact, that is about the same amount of traffic as foxnews.com

[...] you expect Google to stay silent? Of course not. While HTC has yet to publish any public statement, Google contacted TechCrunch to stake their ground: “We are not a party to this lawsuit. However, we stand behind our Android [...]

So explain this to me. Google gives Android away for free, the whole purpose is to make money through advertising. The iPhone has eight times as much market share as Android (if you include the iPod Touch), so why the hell would Google block those users? There’s no bigger financial incentive with Android (except for the Nexus One), because, again, they are giving Android away FOR FREE.

So the iPhone is doing a lot better for Google, by bringing in advertising dollars than Android is doing right now. Google pays Apple 100 million a year for them to use Google Search as the default in Mobile Safari, which shows how important the iPhone is to Google’s mobile web strategy.

So it just isn’t realistic for Google to block Apple. It doesn’t make sense from a financial standpoint. It doesn’t make sense from a legal standpoint (they would almost certainly be sued for Anti-trust violations) and it doesn’t even fit into Google’s philosophy to “Do-No-Evil.”

The whole scenario of Google blocking Apple is just a pipe dream for Apple Haters. It’s not going to happen, friend. Sorry.

This reminds me of Apple against Nokia whereas Apple got sued due to Nokia patents. It is just another game play but not much will happen at the end.

[...] Google-Sprecher äußerte sich gegenüber TechCrunch mit dem kurzen Statement: “We are not a party to this lawsuit. However, we stand behind our [...]

Dude, you are so naive. Did you know that Google bought Android? And when did they buy Android? 2005. Suspiciously, the SAME year that Apple started to develop the iPhone.

And unlike most of their acquisitions, which are fairly public, the Android buyout was very secret, as this article points out.

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/aug2005/tc20050817_0949_tc024.htm

Why the heck was Google being so secret about buying Android? Because they were going to stab Apple in the back, that’s why.

Sorry, but Google is not as innocent as you want to believe and they are going to lose this mobile war, just wait and see.

[...] seguir metiendo a Google en el asunto, a los chicos de TechCrunch les ha llegado un correo desde la compañía del buscador en el que nos informan que nadie los ha [...]

[...] por ver si las razones de Apple son aún mucho más escondidas. La imagen superior apareció en TechCrunch hace un par de días para hacer pensar al lector sobre si Google está siendo atacada o no, con [...]

[...] Esta reacción no es de extrañar, ya que Google le debe a HTC el desarrollo del primer teléfono de su marca, el Nexus One. “No somos parte de este suceso. Sin embargo, apoyamos a nuestro sistema operativo Android y a todos los que nos han ayudado a desarrollarlo”, asegura un portavoz de la compañía a la web Techcrunch. [...]

Wow, you aren’t only crazy, but incapable of even the most basic reading comprehension or research.

1: Erich Schmidt didn’t join the Apple board until August 29, 2006, a year AFTER Google bought Android. So once again it is the magic Machead time machine where Schmidt used his inside knowledge from the future to go back in time and buy Android.

2: The article you cited said that the company Android (pre-purchase) operated in secrecy, not that Google secretly bought them. It would be kind of odd if Google bought them secretly, given that there is an article in fucking Business Week at the time of the purchase! I know you think they are a bunch of idiot losers and everything over at Google, but even Sarah Palin doesn’t think you keep something secret by putting it in Business Week!

3: No matter how your crazy Machead mind tries to twist it, Android started development years before the iPhone, is headed up by someone who has a long, and fairly famous history in the mobile world, and way back ’94, in the NeXT days, was even referred to by Steve Jobs himself as “my friend over at General Magic” in a Rolling Stone interview. So this ridiculous revisionist history that Google somehow retroactively stole Android from Apple, and then surprised Apple with it after the iPhone was released just isn’t going to fly.

Android was in the works years before Google was ever involved with the iPhone, Steve Jobs himself knew full well the history of Andy Rubin, and it was public knowledge that Andy Rubin was working at Google on a mobile OS. You are just making shit up to paint a completely revisionist timeline of events, and hoping no one will bother to call you on it. Unfortunately for you, fans of Google, unlike Macheads, know how to use a search engine. Maybe you can learn too, when Apple comes out with their own search service, which you will then undoubtedly claim the entire world retroactively stole from Apple.

You can’t keep much in your head at once, can you? My exact words to you just a couple threads up were:

“The idea of Google shutting off services to Apple products is idiotic. Google isn’t going to do that.”

Why should I explain why Google is going to do something I already clearly said they aren’t going to do?

Google wants to be synonymous with search and advertising on every platform, and as a result they pay everyone who will take their money to use their search. Yes, they pay to be the default search in Safari, they also fund most of the development of Firefox for the right to be their default search, they also pay Opera to make them the default search. They don’t pay Apple because Apple is any more important to them than any other platform, they pay Apple because they want to be the default on every platform that hasn’t made a deal with Microsoft.

You can bang on all you want about how much more market share the iPhone has than Android, but the reality is that just like Chrome did with Safari, Android will quickly grow past iPhone. That is because Apple is, and shall always remain, a niche contender in the general computing world. Their business strategies might be fantastic for selling hip updated Walkmans, but they just don’t work in the general computing world. Android has, at every step of its life-cycle, seen faster growth than the iPhone. Remember, a year and a half into the iPhone’s life, it only had 2.8% of the market, as opposed to Android’s 5.2% at the same point in it’s life-cycle.

Feel free to spit and hiss about how that 5.2% doesn’t matter, because it is just “geeks,” but just watch, it will keep growing. Mind you, when Apple was at 2.8%, you were proudly proclaiming that made it an unstoppable mass market success, but that’s fine. Apple is actually losing ground to the rest of the market, while Android is going gangbusters:

http://www.cultofmac.com/android-marketshare-grows-while-iphone-market-shrinks/32402

The trend will continue, and Apple fans will once again end up huddled in their walled garden, trying to convince themselves that mass market success was never what Apple wanted anyway, and muttering to themselves about all the evil time machines that let people go back and retroactively steal victory from His Holiness Steve.

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Object oriented OS? If you had any sort of a development background you’d realize how stupid that statement sounds.

When did I say that buying Android had anything to do with Eric Schmidt’s election to Apple’s board? No one outside of Apple even had a glimpse of the iPhone until Apple unveiled it at MacWorld 2007. Even a lot of people at Apple didn’t know what it looked like until it was unveiled at Macworld 2007. My point is that Google bought Android because there was a general consensus (going back to 2001) that Apple was working on an iPhone, which was one of the many reasons why Google got in bed with Apple in the first place. Google has had a relationship with Apple since the earliest versions of Safari.

Here’s a link to an very early prototype of an Android phone.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/ip-telephony/?p=3197

Did you notice how it doesn’t resemble the iPhone in the slightest? There’s a reason for that. The iPhone hadn’t been released yet. You care to explain to me why this early prototype, which resembled a Blackberry or WinMo phone, suddenly changed to this:

http://www.jr.com/tmobile/pe/OMT_HTCG1WHITE/

Google was obviously copying Apple with the G1. Are you going to now deny, with this undeniable evidence, that Google stabbed Apple in the back? Kinda kills your whole Google-is-a-great-partner-theory.

“the part where they’re not named in it”, LoL – you da man MG.

Another innovative comment by a Taiwanese.

Man oh man, your last statement is full of so many inaccuracies that I hardly know where to begin. Apple’s market share at the year and a half point was 12.9 percent. See here:

http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=827912

Just so you can keep up, the original iPhone was released in June, 2007. So the year and a half point would be December of 2008.

The first Android phone was released in October 2008, so the year and a half point hasn’t even been reached yet. That comes April of 2010. Since they’ve only managed to limp to five percent, how can you say they will be at the same point as Apple at the year and half point?

You really expect them to gain 7.9 percent of the market between now and April. LOL, you’re dumber than I thought.

BTW, I would consider any source with “Cult of Mac” in the title to be an unbiased source of news on Apple. Try again.

@Paul A. Chapel, nice-job trying to educate these morons. There is no-doubt Apple can do well with out Google. Google on the other hand has tried to copy and worm its way into Apple’s mobile business.

+1

I was think numbnutts, but twat works.

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Nexus One is an iPhone copycat! Go and screw Google!

If the U.S. patent system is such an impediment to innovation, why wasn’t the touch interface invented in Asia?
Stealing bad technology just further promotes bad technology.

When the patent system establishes the rules of conduct and a company the size of Google goes about infringing, THAT is a strong-arm tactic.

btw: Apple doesn’t need Google for squat.

“Great artists steal [and get away with it]“.

An important part was omitted there.

Google ain’t gettin’ away with it.

Oh Christ, this is getting ridiculous. Yet another 10 minutes spent writing a reply to your ignorance, and yet again it just disappeared into the comment section without a trace!

Fine, short version again.

“When did I say that buying Android had anything to do with Eric Schmidt’s election to Apple’s board? ”

Right here!

“Google ruined this partnership with Apple by going behind Apple’s back and creating Android, after Eric Schimdt had intimate knowledge that the iPhone was coming out”

Next.

“You care to explain to me why this early prototype, which resembled a Blackberry or WinMo phone, suddenly changed to this:”

Sure, because that early prototype is built on the HTC Excalibur.

http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_s620-1696.php

When T-Mobile contracted HTC to build them an Android phone (because the G1 is a T-Mobile phone, not a Google phone), T-Mobile went with a design based on the HTC Hero. T-Mobile did this because the HTC Wizard

http://www.gsmarena.com/o2_xda_mini_s-1274.php

had sold so well for them back in 2005, and used the same basic form factor.

The real joke is that had they been trying to “copy the iPhone” they would have gone back to the 2003 design of the HTS Himalaya:

http://www.gsmarena.com/o2_xda_ii-697.php

HTC has been making touchscreen tablet form factor phones since 2002. They didn’t need to copy Apple to hit upon that form factor.

Nope, didn’t say anything about Eric Schmidt’s election having anything to do with buying Android in that sentence you quoted. His board membership did however help Google in anticipating the release of the iPhone. You really think that Google started work on Android immediately after the iPhone’s debut at MacWorld 2007? Of course not! Google was able to get their copy of the iPhone faster to market than any other company specifically because of Eric Schmidt’s seat on the Apple board.

That’s exactly why they already had a prototype BEFORE MacWorld. When the iPhone was actually released, they tailored the look of the device to match the iPhone, which didn’t take that long because Android was already in development.

And I find your comments about HTC hilarious. None of the phones you linked had capacitive touch screens. Google requested a capacitive screen for the G1 specifically because it worked so well on the iPhone.

The G1 also had an accelerometer. I guess that was purely Google’s idea, right? LOL.

And suppose you think that Google always planned to make an Android Market, right? That had nothing to do with the iPhone’s App Store, right?

LOL, you are naive if you think that.

Google made a lot of mistakes with G1, particularly with the headphone jack, but they seem to have emulated a lot more features of the iPhone with later releases. Android phones have become MORE like the iPhone over time, not less. They could have gone another way, they could have made Android phones more like Blackberry phones, but they didn’t. Google has made a conscious decision to copy Apple and that, my friend, is the definition of stabbing a partner in the back.

Apple may be suing HTC to take a punch at Android, but you don’t see Apple stabbing Google in the back by making a Search engine or video service.

Thanks, JeffK.

It’s kind of easy when my opponents are irrational Apple hating morons.

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what i don’t understand is why we (customers) are taking sides in this lawsuit.
Take just 1 second and imagine what would happen if Apple won this and HTC would have to stop producing/cripple sold phones or smth like that.
Apple would have no serious competition, they could slow down R&D because there is nobody there to challenge them. And this means worse phones for, maybe, more money.
Do Apple “fans” care so much that there’s another phone that uses multitouch? They should be super happy because if Apple wants to stay in this business, they will have to be competitive, produce phones with better “tweaks” for lower prices

dude, don’t think google will do that. Don’t think this is theyr policy. If they were to be like this, you would not have pages like “google is skynet” being returned on a google search :)

Apple, however, is like this. They have banned the word “Android” from any app in Apple store. Really, that is sooo childish. And a desperate measure, IMO

I fail to understand how an inept comment such as this could be put on a site without any response. Google is no fail copycat at all. They use concepts derived from other technology to improve their own. Other companies do the same thing. That’s how improvements develop.

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Half of those patents aren’t legitimate in the first place. The US patent office needs to stop issuing Apple BS patents for any obscure idea they can come up with that includes a child’s drawing demonstrating the idea.

Now I’m an Apple fan but this is far more symptomatic of Apple’s patent lawyers wanting a new hybrid Porsche than of any legitimate patent infringement claim.
All the details scrutinized: http://bit.ly/apple-htc-lawsuit-examined

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hehe,kill the all,world clear!

Have Apple filed a patent for “anything that is round, like an Apple iPhone ‘Home’ button” yet? If not, how do they plan to sue anybody who makes anything that’s round, has wheels, or any form of circular design on them?

Thank f*** Jobs wasn’t around when somebody discovered how to make fire. We’d all be sitting in the cold/dark and eating raw food… unless willing pay for a proprietary Apple heating/lighting device patented on the principles of emitting heat and/or light via combustion or similar means.

Eddison’s bulb would probably have sparked a lawsuit, and matches would be cause for a lawsuit.

Apple junk looks good, but its hollow, functionless, ‘made for simpletons’ approach is soured by the fact that Apple products don’t play well with anything that’s not an Apple product, and Steve Jobs doesn’t play well with other scheming, money-grabbing, conniving, unscrupulous kids.

My vote goes to HTC, and I fully support Google’s view. Any jury will see how obvious these features are, and how ridiculous Apple’s patents, just so long as they are semi-intelligent…

…let’s hope they’re not ardent Apple users.

If Google locks out Safari and Apple from Google products they might have trouble with the net neutrality agenda they are pushing. Google seems more anti competitive than Microsoft ever was by using their cash cow search engine to fund start-ups that wipe out other industries. Wasn’t everyone upset when MS did that in Windows? Why is it now OK to do that on a web portal?

I’d like to suggest a defense to patent trolls and frivolous patent lawsuits!

http://patenthitman.com/

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Who first thought Google will start pulling services from Apple products?

In a patent war, you fight back with patents. HTC is being targeted because HTC doesn’t have a patent portfolio like Google’s. WP7S will not be targeted either because Microsoft has an even larger portfolio.

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These two(three) will slug it out for a while but It should make for HTC/Google to come up with some other new touch technology.

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Google will win.

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Just give android some time and you’ll see it will suck in all the universe =)

Just give android some time and you’ll see it will suck in all the universe =)