Charlie Rose had The Wall Street Journal/All Things D’s Walt Mossberg, The New York Times’ David Carr and our own Michael Arrington on his show Thursday night to talk about the Apple iPad. You can also view the video on the Charlie Rose website, here. This was Mike’s sixth time on Charlie Rose.
Is it me or does David Carr look like Fire marshal Bill?
David Carr is blinded by the hype.
Blinded by the hype. Revved up like a deuce,
another runner in the night.
Nah, I don’t think he is blinded by the hype. The ipad will probably be a roaring success. I won’t buy one, but most people will.
I think they all made valid point. I wonder though how likely it will be that there will be a significant price drop after 60 days like the iPhone. That would me we’d see low end iPAd at $299 and the top of the line model at $629 which would be great and really make it accessible to the masses. http://www.baduku.com/topics/apple-ipad_187
If it’ll probably be a roaring success, then what would be the reason not to buy one?
As for the ipad epic-tale, For sure, Steve Jobs released one of the best Tablet as for this moment, but seeing its flaws — surely, made the impression that it really didn’t ‘beat’ its contenders (Kindle/Netbook devices) At least on this model. Maybe, if they will release a 2G model, these disadvantages will be eliminated, but then again that begs the question.. Why should we buy this half-baked tablet, if 2G will be better?
In the end, it’ll be up to your preferences and budget if you’re going to have the iPad
Why do people keep saying that the iPad competes with the Kindle?
I think it will be a success too. There’s a difference in thinking something will be a success (Mike Arrington’s POV) and a fanboy (David Carr)
WOW – I wondered what happened to Fire Marshal Bill. I may never be able to read a Carr column again without hearing Jim Carey doing that bit…
hahaha you people are on drugs if you think this thing is going to catch on and be popular, i think your out of touch because your old. i havent met a person who thought the ipad is cool they keep saying “why would i carry that when i can carry my laptop or something smaller like my iphone”.
lastly $500 isnt cheap especially in this economy. people arent going to spend at least 1/2 a grand for something no more powerful than a smartphone. i love charlie rose but that piece was total bullshit. get your head out of apple’s ass and try to see things from the middle class consumer’s point of view.
dont even get me started on this thing vs the kindle.
As I lie on my couch with my iPod touch I can’t help
but feel how much of a carbon copy your loud compliant s sound to folk who poo pooped the iPhone three years ago.
how is my comments similar to the ipod touch? no one ever said the ipod touch was going to flop since it was following the foot steps of the ipod and it already had a install base before it was ever released. if your not going to bring a counter argument stfu and gtfo.
the ipad will only be a niche product not a game changer. theres a reason why tablets never caught on and that is because theres a fault in design and apple has done nothing to correct it. the keyboard will be still weird to use, you will constantly have to hold it in your hands or hunch over on a table to look at it as oppose to a laptop which can stay upright on your lap. also, jobs hasn’t done a good job at convincing people why they should be a third device which does nothing new when compared to the other two (smart phone and laptop).
Everyone thought the Touch was way, way too expensive. And little reason to buy one since an iPhone was cheaper. Where were you?
Tablets failed because no one wants to create spreadsheets on a touchscreen. It’s possible Apple packs enough cool media to make this work. People love their Touches and might pop for bigger real estate.
Or it might fail miserably. No one knows.
http://www.macworld.co.uk/mac/news/index.cfm?newsid=28556&pagtype=allchandate
I pray to God you are a developer. Nothing warms my heart more than the thought that my competition is as lost as you. Rather than point out that the reasons tablets have failed is because they mapped a desktop interface onto a device designed for fingers, I shall instead encourage you to continue your current direction. You are so right.
As I read this TechCrunch post on my $1000 HP laptop, I can’t help but wanting an iPad. I spend 95% of my time reading/browsing web, I don’t need the keyboard. The 6.5lb laptop with the battery is heavy. I have to plug it in all the time because the battery only lasts 2.5 hours. I would still need a powerful laptop for something that requires the processing power, but iPad would be perfect for me for 95% of the time on the Internet.
My experience with a Fujitsu slate running Microsoft Tablet PC Lost in the Desert Edition was exactly the same. Two applications consumed much of my time — Internet Explorer and Covey Tablet Planner.
I used the pen to hunt and peck emails, and actually could whip one out pretty rapidly. With a Verizon card I could access the internet and be hacked — wasn’t that lovely. Try to secure three different network connections if you dare!
It was a great experience in general and one I wish I could replicate on the Mac side!
Welcome to the everything I think is true crowd!
Everybody that has a different point of view than me is stupid!
The whole world should have the same set of tech priorities as me.
Grow up and get past yourself. Stop being so epistemologically infantile. You are not the world!
The device will not flop, its almost not possible because apple really has a built in fan base. It may not sell tens of millions of these like the iPhone, but it will set the bar and start a new market in tablets. Contact me if you would like to put money on it.
http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/10527
Erick Schonfeld on CR, talking about the Microsoft/Yahoo deal.
Michael:
The exclusive contract for ATT and Apple for the iphone ended the day the iPad was released. It was buried in the announcements.
Now the other carriers have to engineer how to handle the data consumption the iphone draws on the network.
Wow, does anyone have the guts to go against this product? I stopped at the 5 minutes, will watch the rest when I have time, but the iPad is really a step back.
A product that limits you on what you can and cannot view on it, force you to buy accessory to tasks use a keyboard or mouse(unless you can do it wireless), and tells you what applications are allowed on it, is horrible.
And people just accept it as the norm, if other companies follow suit then Appple’s 1984 commercial will become a reality.
It can use bluetooth keyboards, and I’m not sure how you’re going to use a mouse with this thing.
Wow, does anyone have the guts to go against this product?
No brainer, mate. Exercise your consumer sovereignty – don’t buy one. Personally, I think it will fly off the shelves. I can’t wait to get my hands on one.
…let me show u something LOL
it should be illegal for anyone over 50 to say “wicked fast”. Perhaps the hippies in california will start fining people for saying this. I’m sure someone can come up with some crap research indicating folks over 50 who say this tend to not be productive and therefore should be fined for being a drain on the greater good. I mean why not, they did the same thing with the ridiculous methodology they used to determine cell phone use in cars is dangerous when, in fact, those over 20 showed an immense drop off in cell phone use and driving accidents compared to those under 20. Poor research leading to poor policy.
The best part of the show was before they began taping. Carr kept calling Mossberg “Walt Mossberger.” Mossberg was remote and couldn’t see who was talking (neither could I), and he said “It’s Mossberg, not Mossberger, who’s talking?” Carr pretends he can’t here and keeps asking who this Mossberger guy is. Walt says “Can you hear me?” And David Carr says “No.”
Then Charlie came on set and told everyone to settle down.
Mike, you’ve obviously done an enormous amount of research and development into the tablet market with the Crunchpad project.
Due to the ongoing litigation, are you legally barred from adding your own highly relevant tablet R&D experience to TV interviews like this one? I thought for sure this might come up during the discussion.
If Mike were to get into that it would inevitably lead to talk of the JooJoo and why would he want to give those guys the free publicity?
Which one of the Michaels is real – the one who compared iPad to a stone or the one who i saying ‘people are going to love it’?
Great to see that you picked this as the best part of the show. Personally I think I would have just lost it and laughed my ass of. Good to see sense at humor at work.
People loved pet rocks for a while.
Haha, thats awesome.
David carr says its a ’sexy gadget’. And I completely agree.
“hear” not “here”
“hear”
Hmmn think I’m sold even more, although as was pointed out, the main decision is not whether to buy one but rather how long to hold out for the next model.
I’ll bet Jobs will say at the realease , oh one more thing, we added a camera. I would have done it that way……knowing all the poo poo”s,
no camera would come.
Interesting that Mike did not mention crunchpad and comments that apple invents this market.
I know this segment was about the iPad, but it was interesting that no one brought up the CrunchPad / Joo Joo during the discussion.
Michael : about your Flash and Hulu argument..
If Apple will offer on iTunes what Hulu offers today : TV series and shows in streaming on the iPhone and the iPad, Flash will be useful only for fancy websites…
As for Gaming Flash is not necessary anymore, it will not be necessary for Video and then for Rich websites on any smartphones with a good SDK.
Anyway , nice play.
The difference between iTunes and Hulu is cost, why pay for something I can view for free.(USA only though). It’s not only Hulu, it Fancast and other sites that offer it.
Flash isn’t necessary for gaming and video, are you serious?
web gaming*
Your are kidding right?
The corporate world is not the world where your mommy and daddy love you so much that they give you stuff for free! The corporate world is all about business models.
Hulu will be charging very soon. They are just casing the joint to figure out the best angle for monetizing their service. Ad, subscription, buy and/or rent, one way or another you will pay with your eyeballs or wallet. All these monetizing models are open to any other competitor including Apple.
Watch the media companies bail on Hulu so fast your head will spin should Apple make a dent with this device. Nothing is free…
“If Apple will offer on iTunes what Hulu offers today : TV series and shows in streaming on the iPhone and the iPad, Flash will be useful only for fancy websites…”
Oh really? Just hulu? How about the subject of THIS POST!!! It’s only available with Flash. I love the industrial design of the iPad, I believe Apple will enable some multi-tasking (perhaps as soon as 4.0), BUT SURFING WITHOUT FLASH IS GOING TO BE AN ONGOING IRRITANT. Just like it is right now on my iPhone.
I’d like to point out that T-Mobile is on its own 3G frequency which is not compatible with the generic chips in Apple’s devices. The only way we see if they choose to lock customers into a specific carrier relationship is by following their actions in Europe and Asia, where all carriers are on the same standardized frequencies.
Fanboy panel. They should have included at least one skeptic. Mossberg’s extreme fanboyism was obvious from the start, and the Steve Jobs name-dropping (‘I was talking to Steve…’) was just embarassing.
This is a device inferior to everything out there in every way exceot hype and the Apple brand. You can’t instal desktop apps on it, can’t browse Flash websites, can’t write on it with a pen, can’t do videoconferencing, and can’t do USB connections out of the box. And it’s more expensive than a netbook that can do all this.
If it wasn’t that Apple as a track record of succeeding with feature-limited devices at exorbitant prices (because of the blindly faithful fanboys and girls who WOULD buy an Apple Wheel), I would call this a major flop waiting to happen.
You’re so right. Mossberg’s head is firmly up Jobs’ ass. He doesn’t even understand how far away HTML5 is going to be and how prevalent Flash is besides video. Anyway the product will do well but has a maximum chunk of the market that will accept Apple’s limitations.
+100
I await balanced reviews of iPad (if anyone has the balls) as a number of these shortcomings will be glaring obvious after using the device for awhile.
What the fanboys don’t grasp is after the inital fanboy rush to buy this .. who’s left? iPad will not be selling 200 million anytime soon if ever in it’s current capacity.
I have also read that the main reason AAPL does not use flash is to please AT&T. They know it will be a heavy burden on web traffic if they allow flash on iphone/ipad. The AT&T network already has trouble handling the load. (source: mark cuban’s blog)
Our business is going to order 15 ipads. They are going to be used to distribute committee reports on them.
Isn’t the iPad technically an “unlocked” 3G device?
Sure, they’re using this new “mini” SIM card, but if you used a SIM from say Orange while in Europe, would it work?
thats dumb. the jury’s still out and making an enterprise buy now means a) you dont care about spending $25K b) you work for apple or c) you are potentially looking to resell the devices on craigslist
Lack of multi-touch is a feature? O_o
Lot of commenters here have it all wrong. The game changer of the iPad is the *price*. Apple can make this advanced, touch-based, WiFi enabled, multi-gig storage multi-media device for $300!
That, my friends, is a game changer! It means that Google + HTC can make an almost-as-good iPad for $250. Which means that in 2 years, we can get these things for about $200. At those prices, the iPad or its successors can be placed in the hands of billions of people around the world.
We are a few years away from a truly great advanced computing device in the hands of the 2.2 billion children in the world. That will change everything.
-Brian (www.brianshall.com)
To change everything, first we have to provide abundant clean water for the children who are currently unable to take it for granted as we do.
I think you should have brought up the fact that there has never been a reader for books that has succeeded and has a back-lit screen. You mentioned it with the battery life, but does anyone know what it’s like to read 30 or 40 pages of a book on a back-lit screen? I don’t, so I’m just wondering if it will make your eyes hurt a little bit. People stare at screens all day long, but they are typically not static the way a page in a book is.
Probably like reading 30 or 40 pages of a Word document, pdf or website. Which I suspect you’re done many times before.
I think you should have brought up the fact that there has never been a reader for books that has succeeded and has a back-lit screen….
That is because there are none. All of the dedicated e-reader devices, as far as I know, use e-ink.
I have good and bad to say about this new product.
Lets start with the bad. It is basically a giant iPhone that you can’t talk on. All of the non-tech people I have broached the subject with have that reaction. Apple will have to overcome this impression with people in order to move units. The iPod touch works as a product because you dont need a data plan (and you wont with the non-3G version of the iPad) and it is cheaper than the iPhone! I can’t help but think that they should have gone with a very non iPhone form factor to distinguish it from that line of products.
Also for the price the amount of storage is ludicrous. Plain and simple they should have included an SD slot if they werent going to give us storage sizes over 64 gigs. 64 GB fills up awful fast when you add media and productivity apps.
Ok now the good side. The data plan is really the killer app. No contract. Cheaper than the add on data plan for my cell phone (and your cellphone too most likely). If the AT&T network can get into the 21st century and handle sustained throughput at close to broadband speeds than this could be the product that gets people to drop their DSL and just pay $20 a month for internet. It reminds me of a product that was sold in the late 80’s called minitel. It came from France apparently. It was essentially a dumb terminal for BBS access and email.
Now raise your hand if you have a mom, grandma or sister that would do great with a product they just use for web/email? C’mon arent you sick of diggin them out of their virus fiasco every 6 months?!
As an ‘ereader’ I think it is a joke. $249 for the kindle was too much. Amazon wont say but most folks think they sold 2-3 million units. $500 for the base (16GB) model with no real accessories is a lot to ask for a reader. For a subnotebook though it isn’t bad….but no storage!
Unless of course we are expected to store everything “in the cloud”.
The show suffered for lack of a real skeptic – all three are FanChildren of either the Apple brand, the tablet concept. or both.
I was trying to think how to actually watch a movie on it in an airplane seat – do you have to hold the damn thing all the time? I’m reading and typing on a netbook with the same sized screen, that will display 16:9, can sit there all by itself tilted to suit the surface, and be clammed shut and stowed without worrying about the screen. I can close the novel I’m reading on the Kindle PC app (which displays those Kindle books in color) in order to google Earth to Barcelona to see a streetview, and listen to Hetor Villa-Lobos on headphone all the while – and without shutting down anything, open up an Excel spreadsheet to fix something that occurs to me out of the blue.
I don’t get it, and I won’t get it.
You sound like a full blown pessimist. Yes, you can do all of that on a netbook. The iPad is not for you. Your netbook does not have the cool factor. Your boring netbook does not cause goosebumps, increased heartbeat, or dialated pupils.
dude,
It has a case that lets you stand it in either portrait or landscape mode.
Reading below, I think I’m right – the extra plastic to prop up the tablet for ordinary use in fixed positions is not so Apple good. I’m thinking the guys who fall for this really are the guys who fall for Barbie.
Check out the Walt Mosspuppet interview with Jobs (hilarious) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr4pPAn-m5g&feature=player_embedded
Yeah, I love that one!
How ironic that I can’t watch the video on an iPhone because it’s only available in Flash. No HTML5 version.
This is the kind of frustration we’re all going to be faced with when trying to use the iPad as a mainstream Web appliance.
The video froze on me 1/2 way through and I had to close the browser on my 64 bit updated daily version of W7.
Flash sucks
guess what, you represent a minority. win7 x64 updated daily, plays fine, every time.
Flash still sucks. Proprietary, overused and inefficient.
Standards-based web-browsing please!
Personally I disable Flash in my browser for almost all websites.
I was watching the video on my Android! Was glorious. Cough…
How ironic indeed … I watched it on my iPod touch (1st gen) … the video is on youtube, and plays fine … maybe you should restore your OS or update it or something ….
I think you 3 (4 with Charlie) are spot on, this thing is a game changer.
The interface, form factor, apps, battery life and price will resonate with consumers.
Think of it as the next tablet from the most successful tablet manufacturers on the planet…
I personally don’t see any issues with the fact that you can’t “talk” on this device. It’s not a phone and I think people are mis-interpreting the UI similarities of the iPad with the iPhone. I mean think about it, how would you even talk with this thing? Not unless you had third party headphones.
My strifes with it are:
1) It doesn’t have a native USB port. This means you can’t carry the internet around with you unless you have the 3G model (WiFi doesn’t count).
2) It’s actually not very ergonomic. Think about it. Would you actually sit there for hours on end holding this device? Even if you had it near your lap you would get tired . It’s a device you could probably use for about 20 – 30 minutes max until you jump back on your main workstation/laptop.
3) Pricing. Regardless of what has been said, $499 is extremely expensive (especially once you transfer it over to Australia).
It is not so much about the device, or the UI, as it is about the timing of events…
It is no coincidence that all the different tablets that are simultaneously emerging into the marketplace in the next 18 months.
Social change is about to take place. Get ready to say goodbye to much if not most content printed on paper, especially newspapers.
All the seeds for this change have been moving into position for some time.
What is interesting about the price is that it is not subsidized by a data plan. Several smart phones have a retail value of over $500 but they are sold at a much lower cost because they are subsidized by the company selling the data/phone plan.
For example here is a blackberry tour on sale for $494, with the list price of $634:
http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=212416447&listingid=64255725
Read “My Dad and the iPad” (about a developer and his dad, 71, who has Parkinson’s disease)
http://www.jennandlucien.net/lucien/2010/02/05/my-dad-and-the-ipad
I think the iPad will make “computing” accessible to a lot of people who, until now, have been mostly frustrated with “computers”
Michael, one point you mentioned in the interview was wrong -
the iPad IS actually unlocked. Its not very clear at this point if you can just use a (micro)sim from anyone and plug it in, but that looks like how its going to be, right?
The aspects that Carr mentions are pretty critical. I will very likely buy one, and I look forward to a version of Office running on this thing. But, as a publsiher would you hand over all of your market to Apple? Currently, it looks as though most of the publishers will do so.
The price is very solid. If some apps such as OmniGraffle are developed for the platform it will be quite interesting.