T-Mobile Sidekick Disaster: Danger's Servers Crashed, And They Don't Have A Backup
Jason Kincaid
Oct 10, 2009

Wow. T-Mobile and Danger, the Microsoft-owned subsidiary that makes the Sidekick, has just announced that they’ve likely lost all user data that was being stored on Microsoft’s servers due to a server failure. That means that any contacts, photos, calendars, or to-do lists that haven’t been locally backed up are gone. Apparently if you don’t turn off your Sidekick and make sure its battery doesn’t run out you can salvage what’s currently stored on the device, otherwise you’re out of luck: Microsoft/Danger is describing the likelihood of recovering the data from their servers as “extremely low”.

T-Mobile Sidekick users have been suffering from a major outage all week, and that issue apparently hasn’t been resolved either.

This goes beyond FAIL, face-palm, or any of the other internet memes we’ve come to associate with incompetence. The fact that T-Mobile and/or Microsoft Danger don’t have a redundant backup is simply inexcusable, especially given the fact that the Sidekick is totally reliant on the cloud because it doesn’t store its data locally. Microsoft acquired Danger for $500 million in February 2008.

Update:: There is some speculation that this was not actually caused by a server meltdown, but by Danger’s failure to make a backup before a Storage Area Network upgrade that was botched.

The full letter to customers is below.

T-MOBILE AND MICROSOFT/DANGER STATUS UPDATE ON SIDEKICK DATA DISRUPTION

Dear valued T-Mobile Sidekick customers:

T-Mobile and the Sidekick data services provider, Danger, a subsidiary of Microsoft, are reaching out to express our apologies regarding the recent Sidekick data service disruption. We appreciate your patience as Microsoft/Danger continues to work on maintaining platform stability, and restoring all services for our Sidekick customers.

Regrettably, based on Microsoft/Danger’s latest recovery assessment of their systems, we must now inform you that personal information stored on your device – such as contacts, calendar entries, to-do lists or photos – that is no longer on your Sidekick almost certainly has been lost as a result of a server failure at Microsoft/Danger. That said, our teams continue to work around-the-clock in hopes of discovering some way to recover this information. However, the likelihood of a successful outcome is extremely low. As such, we wanted to share this news with you and offer some tips and suggestions to help you rebuild your personal content. You can find these tips at the T-Mobile Sidekick Forums (http://www.t-mobile.com/sidekick ). We encourage you to visit the Forums on a regular basis to access the latest updates as well as FAQs regarding this service disruption.

In addition, we plan to communicate with you on Monday (Oct. 12) the status of the remaining issues caused by the service disruption, including the data recovery efforts and the Download Catalog restoration which we are continuing to resolve. We also will communicate any additional tips or suggestions that may help in restoring your content.

We recognize the magnitude of this inconvenience. Our primary efforts have been focused on restoring our customers’ personal content. We also are considering additional measures for those of you who have lost your content to help reinforce how valuable you are as a T-Mobile customer.

We continue to advise customers to NOT reset their device by removing the battery or letting their battery drain completely, as any personal content that currently resides on your device will be lost.

Once again, T-Mobile and Microsoft/Danger regret any and all inconvenience this matter has caused.

Via Engadget

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  • Will Smidlein

    And they don’t backup why? They’re Microsoft….

  • http://www.crunchpadfans.com CrunchPad Fans (Trooper P)

    Lawyers (ie; ambulance chasers) are likely contacting Sidekick owners at this moment.

  • tenthings

    they call it microsoft Danger for a reason

  • David

    T-Mobile and Sidekick are garbage — buy an iPhone or G1

    Why do people buy crap phones?

  • Adam

    was waiting to read the line… “but we will be crediting your account worth 2 months of service”.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike_Pacific/58100056 Mike Pacific

    Wow, that is astoundingly bad. This is not even an innocent mistake. To not run backups is negligent.

  • CG

    All those MS Office Live users better be backing up their documents ASAP.

  • Gee

    I think Danger is the one to be blamed. Unbelievable … How can anyone in tech not think about backing up?!
    Even Microsoft knows that.

  • Travist120

    *reads article*

    Shit, I better back up all my contacts on Gmail. That shit is synced straight to my iPhone. If Gmail goes down, there goes all my contacts.

    And for once, Im glad I switched from T-Mobile/Sidekick to AT&T/iPhone.

  • devon

    yeah this is total BS good bye sidekick hello mytouch 3G

  • Thoralf Will

    No backup and running MS software? That’s beyond brave, that’s just idiotically crazy!

    I do double backups even for my private stuff. One local copy and one offsite backup. And MS doesn’t have anything?

    Unbelievable!

    *goes to check the calendar, no, definitely not April*

  • http://serrynaimo.com serrynaimo

    Well working with Danger…. they have been warned…

  • http://www.dastardlyreport.com ryaninc

    I don’t understand why everyone is blaming T-Mobile for this. Yeah, it sucks beyond belief, but from everything I’ve read, it sounds like an entirely Microsoft/Danger problem. I mean, shame on MS for not having a backup and screwing up so astoundingly badly, but don’t blame T-Mobile.

  • silicon valley dropout

    would you trust this company for your cloud computing need

  • http://retailzip.com/?page_id=47 William Blanchard

    Woops, there goes that whole Azure thing.

    Amazon forever!

  • http://sidburgess.com Sid Burgess

    Unbelievable, inexcusable. I hope MS loses $$$ on this one.

    Begs the question, should we really trust our content online or should providers like MS actually just back the stuff up?

  • Barry

    Maybe they should backup using SkyDrive…

  • http://www.greatslovakia.com David Mulder

    +1

    Somehow that already didn’t seem a good name when I first read over it.

    Still I hope they will also release a technical explanation how they destroyed/lost/damaged all backups.

  • Arrogant Google

    Oh my that’s funny.

    I wonder if the servers were running Windows Vista and there were no working drivers for the backup system.

  • Samuel Ryan

    lmao, probably more to it though.

  • http://identi.ca/notice/11768260 Glyn Moody (glynmoody) ‘s status on Saturday, 10-Oct-09 22:11:17 UTC – Identi.ca
  • http://www.jasonrukus.com jason Rukus

    Call this a get-out-of-contract-free card and upgrade.

  • Travis

    Microsoft owns Danger. Most of the old Danger people quit or got fired. So its Microsoft.
    Read this.
    http://www.hiptop3.com/archives/what-caused-the-sidekick-fail

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  • Travis

    The phones are amazing. Its Microsoft thats not.

  • h

    i bet danger thought they had a backup plan. just they never tested it. how often do you check your back-ups to make sure they’re actually up to date and restoreable? I’m not excusing them, only saying i doubt “backup strategy: none” was not in their business plan.

    also worth noting that when you lose most cell phones you lose all pictures, texts, contacts, data, since most of them dont have any kind of sync. smartphones are a different breed for sure but are just a small percentage of multimedia phones. even the iphone, if you have not synced in a while (which is reasonably likely since the only at-hand reason to do so is to get new music on it) is susceptible to major data loss if you lose the phone.

    this is worse since its like every sidekick user losing their phone at one time, for reasons beyond their own control. embarassing for ms and danger.

  • http://www.econectados.com/2009/10/t-mobile-sidekick-acaba-de-destrozar-su-reputacion/ T-Mobile Sidekick acaba de destrozar su reputación – eConectados

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  • http://shortformblog.com/tech/t-mobiles-massive-bag-of-fail-sidekick-user-data-is-gone ShortFormBlog

    T-Mobile’s massive bag of FAIL: Sidekick user data is GONE….

    ……

  • http://sleepyhead.org Judson

    I used to have one a long time ago, the keyboards really are great.

  • http://identi.ca/notice/11769686 Algot Runeman (algotruneman) ‘s status on Saturday, 10-Oct-09 22:43:44 UTC – Identi.ca
  • http://www.theCampusCenter.com Patrick

    This is why you get your own. It’s cheap enough today and VoIP should allow users to connect to their own server and backup their info. Too big, too important and too cumbersome. And I agree that’s why they call it Danger.

  • Trader Bots

    That’s funny +1

    Microsoft’s so big. I wonder how this will affect the company as a whole

    http://www.traderbot.com/stocks/Stock.aspx?symbol=msft

  • Caifornia Dave

    …and that’s why I’m with Verizon.

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  • Me

    First ?

  • http://www.davebroham.com davebroham

    Stunned

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  • Alberto Vildosola

    Well, it’ll be hard for MS to convince people to trust their cloud services now, and some people cry when they don’t have gmail for 30 mins, feel sorry about Sidekick users, time to get an Android phone huh?

  • http://www.wopular.com Wopular

    Wow. I used to have a Sidekick. And Microsoft expects Windows Mobile 6.5 users to use their My Phone service? Yikes.

  • http://www.threewisdoms.blogspot.com rosebelle

    Good thing I came across this because my son has been wanting a sidekick for the longest time. I now know what my answer will be to him.

  • http://www.hondarepairadvice.com KN

    My iPhone does not work all that great. I bought into all the hype and glory about this smart phone that I am now regretting it…still have one more year contract to go with AT&T.

  • Antonia Dempsey

    WOW, This is totally unacceptable. I pay a grip every month to maintain my services and this is the outcome? Time to say goodbye,sorry t-mobile

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Stephen_Goods/1025645605 Stephen Goods

    t-mobile is a complete joke at this point. i am one of the people dealing with this and its ridiculous! every time i try to put my contacts back in the phone it deletes them again!!! customer service is a joke cause none of them even know whats going on! im locked into a contract with them sadly so im screwed right now

  • http://mway.me M Way

    It’s unfortunate when something like this happens when it’s based on a totally awesome concept (eg clouds) because it turns people off from the idea because of one company’s relative incompetence. Both Microsoft’s and Tmo’s past fails have had nothing to do with cloud computing – consider the common denominator (the companies themselves).

  • lol

    Need at least 10 grand a user for compensation.
    Microsoft and Tmobile needs to pay

  • ‘go

    epic fail

  • http://webhole.net Miguel

    Microsoft, stick to the OS.
    Google, stick to the cloud.

  • Liz

    I smell lawsuits. Successful ones? Hard to tell, but you’ve got a lot of pissed off people wanting to blame someone.

  • http://officeinthecloud.blogspot.com Shuelin

    No backup….wowzers

  • http://www.stottmeister.com/blog/ Stotti

    Unbelievable… thanks for the info, just retweeted!

    Best
    Stotti

  • http://www.smartassproducts.com SmartAssProducts.com

    Wow! What a surprise! A Micro$oft server crashing! And, better yet, no backup!

  • Melissa

    I want to correct you on something Travis. If I didnt mis read what you just said you said T-Mobile and sidekicks are garbage and you suggusted a G1 T-Mobile is the only company with the G1 so apparently they arnt doing anything wrong.

    You see in the mobile industry the company only has the rights to sell a product they dont own it. JUST like AT&T was exclusive with Apple and the iPhone sidekick is exclusive with T-Mobile therefore its the companies obligation to deliever.

    The company delievers the actual service unless it goes through a media like danger did with micosoft or iphone with apple and G1 android with google. Say google crashed tomarrow or even itunes for that fact. You would then be complaining your same argument. YOU FAIL.

  • http://www.marketinginsidersecrets.com Carl Kmetz

    That’s it!

    I’ve had enough…

    I’m upgrading to windows 7 today. :)

  • http://laptopmemo.com/2009/10/10/t-mobile-reports-epic-server-failure-all-data-on-t-mobile-sidekicks-lost/ LaptopMemo, Gadget Reviews & News by a 13 year old

    T-Mobile reports epic server failure, all data on T-Mobile Sidekicks lost…

    Talk about an epic cloud computing failure. All of your important info (ha, ha) is now missing due to a severe error with Microsoft/Danger’s server. And if you thought there was a chance you could get your stuff back, well, read this official st…

  • lakelady

    a prime example of why to never trust *any* company as the sole source/backup of your data. EVER

  • deano

    I’m just trying to think of this from the consumer side… What would the appropriate compensation be? I’m putting it at $600/sidekick user, so they can buy whatever replacement phone they want… Paid by MS, since it’s not a T-Mobile issue… Though T-Mobile would also suffer a bit if this caused significant numbers of Sidekickers to leave. Maybe $1K/user – $600 for the consumer, $400 back to T-Mobile to cover ETF-less terminations for whoever leaves and ongoing lost monthly fees. No idea how many Sidekicks are in use, though… Is this even a big deal?

  • http://www.htmlist.com/ Chris Cardinal

    That’s a valid point, but let’s be fair–nearly every major cloud provider has had some sort of failure in the past 24 months. Most haven’t resulted in outright dataloss, but Amazon, Rackspace Cloud, and Google have all had outages.

    Cloud computing *is* the common denominator–it’s not fully baked yet. This is hard to get right and there are lots of little ways things can go wrong. They’re moving very, very close to being completely reliable, and doing so quite quickly, but they’re not there yet, so while this isn’t exactly a surprise, it just shows that you need to be prepared for something like this when you trust entirely in the cloud.

  • Carlos

    Never sign up with Verizon and Microsoft Mobile based phones. We lost everything.
    Check out your phone logo and make sure it is NOT Microsoft.

  • wowlfie

    I am one such customer and tmobile’s offer of one month free for loosing 6000 of my stored emails, some with precious family pictures, lost software registration information, hundreds of lost contacts with no way to replace them or get them back as anyone with a brain always knows the three B’s of IT: backup backup backup. Obviously tmobile, with such lousy slow service to begin with, has been getting by with a single data server for sidekicks and that’s partially why they limit email to 6 megabytes. This is inexcusable and their customers should all defect to Sprint, Verizon or ATT and file class action lawsuits for lost registration info, etc. Also lost is registration information to hundreds of websites and password or logon ID’s. What a crock is the internet when you have companies charging such high prices for service and they can’t even buy a lousy program like Acronis True Image and run it daily. No excuse.

  • wowlfie

    Tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of sidekicks still in use. We should sue their ass off and I and my kids (2) who use them plan to defect no matter how expensive it will be and plan to bad mouth this company to death no matter what it cost me too because there is no excuse for not testing a backup before doing an upgrade. I always backup with True Image prior to installing ANY software so I can restore my boot partition (data always kept separate in QUADRUPLICATE). What kind of morons are running their IT deparment?

  • wowlfie

    Probably the scarecrow from wizard of OZ is running tmobile and that’s before he met the WIZARD and gave him a brain!

  • wowlfie

    I sure hope so poor victim at tmobile is an attorney and contacts all sidekick users via forums etc and gathers steam for a class action lawsuit. I see nothing different from this than suing a car manufacturer for defects which result in human harm. This is harmful believe me!!

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  • locutus

    why even take the effort of typing “epic fail”?

  • locutus

    I think each Sidekick user should get a free “I’m a PC” T-Shirt.

    And why does this article refer to the server farm as “the cloud”? It’s a server farm, on a network–not a mystical semi-organic processing nebula. Among the ways to sound retarded these days using the terms “fail”, “epic fail”, “meme”, “grok” or “the cloud” are high on the list.

  • nooobss

    what else do you expect from microsoft…

  • nooobss

    That gives me a really warm and fuzzy feeling running my stuff in Microsoft’s cloud… and really wondering how diligently they’ll be backing up when they can’t even keep their own shit backed up or for that matter scalable.

    They will suck as usual.. so better stick with AWS or Google…

  • prikkebeen

    Nice done. Although it seems it’s Danger’s/Microsoft fault, I’d like to see the details of the contract between Danger and T-Mobile. Did they have a contract with backup guarantee?
    Maybe T-Mobile is on the cheap here? Just like to know.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jonathan_Frederickson/1254205278 Jonathan Frederickson

    Can they not just have the servers pull any info that’s on any currently-activated Sidekicks? At least then the people who have left their phones on can still keep their data.

  • Sanchize

    But but….. but tmobile is so great! They allow google voice!!

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  • john

    This is amazing, no back up, no back up plan, can you imagine if one of our small business’s did this, it makes me break out in a sweat just imagining it !
    Incompetence from these type of companys is ABSOLOUTELY inexcusable !

  • Melissa

    I think this is rediculous!

    I think T-Mobile should allow all sidekick owners to purchase a new phone and get the full discount no matter if they are elligable or not. This is out of hand!

    ****SO MAD***

  • EminiSP

    Expect a civil suit LOL. Thats terrible MSFT

  • http://www.rhiannondaire.com Rhiannon

    “Oh my that’s funny.

    I wonder if the servers were running Windows Vista and there were no working drivers for the backup system.”

    No, it’s not funny. I work in the entertainment industry and have just lost 1500 contacts that I can’t just get back. Most are clientele whose personal info will NEVER be given out unless I ask them directly (OH, TOO BAD I CANT REACH THEM). This affects my career MAJORLY. T-Mobile gave me a $20.00 credit. Great. I will take myself to dinner. This costs me THOUSANDS. I’ve been with T-mobile since it was Voicestream, and this is the thanks I get. Thank you for jeopardizing my career and my reputation.

  • Melissa

    I agree! I tried getting another phone and they wouldnt even give me the discount because I bought my side kick a year ago…

  • http://www.somegenius.wordpress.com Jim

    Sidekicks are terrible solely on call quality. Seriously, it is a phone and yet impossible to hear….anything!

  • slim

    before you trash someone else, learn how to spell and a little grammar.

  • nooobss

    Its not tmobile, it is MICROSOFT. DUDES get that message.

    Call microsoft they own danger, they did not backup. Tmobile just makes the pipes available…

  • Kyle

    We can thank Microsoft for completely ruining Danger. All they wanted the company for was their already reported fail of a project called Pink. Nothing says more than this quote from a source close to RoughlyDrafted Magazine who spoke about Roz Ho, the head of the Premium Mobile Experiences division. He is quoted saying, “She was also responsible for the “Pink” codename, which has a lamer backstory than anyone has guessed: she was listening to a song by Pink (the singer) when she decided she was just the person to go one-up the Sidekick.”

    The Sidekick has had a cult following for years. I know a lot of people think it’s just a tween phone but in many cases the Sidekick had a lot of the features you see on popular smart phones now only seven years earlier. Microsoft should have recognized the true potential of the company and worked to improve the platform. They might have been in a totally different position right now.

    Be sure to check out the whole article from RouglyDrafted Magazine for more info: http://bit.ly/OlXpy

  • EH

    Well at least they can’t give that data to the FBI out the back door anymore.

  • sue

    I think its a scam, I bet it is because they let go of some employees from the merging with microsoft & they got even!

  • Eoin

    You are being extremely generous to Danger.
    you can’t compare a short term service outage to loosing your customers data for ever, its a much greater order magnitude of FAIL.

  • nelson cantarero

    Wow im sooo pissed i lost all my fucking contact we really need to get on some shit and start a class action lawsuit… and at least get some money for compensation for what they lost i know its ruined my fucking week, not to mention tomorrow my birthday and i cant contact anyone…

  • stephanie

    this explains why mine isnt connecting to the network, and why i lost all my contacts and stuff.. but i live in Australia? does this affect me. or is it at fault of the dealer or just my phone?

  • http://www.johnfernandez.com John Fernandez

    This is amazingly unconscionable and no one should ever trust T-Mobile or anything that relies on Microsoft Danger again.

    That being said, if your contacts are important, have them in a lot of places. Yeesh. Don’t put the onus on backing up your precious data to someone else.

  • BlogReader

    Apparently the comments on this thread were stored on MSFT’s Danger servers.

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  • d@n

    who the fu*k still uses M$ for mission critical high capacity tasks? Learn it from the Stock Exchange.

  • http://blog.expensify.com/2009/10/10/come-on-danger-backups-arent-hard/ Come on Danger, Backups aren’t hard. « Expensify Blog

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  • cindy

    I guess this might be a good time to look into an I-phone!!!!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jonathan_Frederickson/1254205278 Jonathan Frederickson

    1. Why didn’t you keep your own backup?
    2. Why did you keep all these critical contacts on a device that would lose them the moment it ran out of juice?
    3. Why did you trust a single company to never have any such issues with their servers?

    I’m sorry, but you should have been smarter about what you did with your data. It’s no different than storing your data on a computer. The hard drive could go out at any moment. Make a backup. Simple as that.

  • Chad Huber

    or a time capsule?

  • Brian Wolfe

    My wife has an old Sidekick 2 that she bought used. She never bothered to get the data plan for it since she doesn’t really use her phone that much. Not only is it beyond irritating that any time the phone shuts off all contacts that aren’t on the sim card are gone, but there is no readily available software to link PC with the Sidekick. Long story short, there is NO WAY to back up the Sidekick data locally.

    If you aren’t going to give customers the option to back up their data, you had better be absolutely sure the remote data is safe.

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  • sk-user

    Jonathan,

    You don’t know what you’re talking about (or what you’re asking about).

    1. People did back up their data, via Danger’s “powerful hosted back-end services”. Perhaps this was more revolutionary in 2004 when there were less Sidekick/smartphone users. It’s a simple concept: You type in certain data on your device (contacts, calendar, notes) and the data is seamlessly synced to their backend servers. An assumption was made that this data was safe (i.e. backed up). We were paying a monthly fee and reasonably expected our data to be safe.

    2. Typically running out of juice (or doing a hard reset) is not a problem at all. Once the device is back up it syncs with those backend servers and all of your data is restores. A better example: Let’s say yoiu completely lose your phone. For many people this means the complete loss of the data on their phone. If a Sidekick user lost their device, they could simply buy a new Sidekick and log on to their account and all their data would be synced to the device. Also, this data is available via a web site (which is handy for those times when you don’t happen to have your device, etc.). This type of data syncing is supposedly why MSFT paid $500 million for Danger.

    Again, it was not unreasonable to expect that our data was safe with them. Yes, companies have problems with servers. Outages exist with Google and other places. But a complete loss of data is something else. If tomorrow Google announced that all Gmail (and all gmail address books) has been lost forever for all gmail users, would you be shocked if many people didn’t have a backup of all their gmail?

  • czar2004

    While it’s great to blame Microsoft (and certainly the blame is surely on their hands), my contract that I am stuck with is with Tmobile so that is where the actual buck stops!!

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    i need to be paid!!!! lets get together and do this!!!

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  • Nicholas

    So what you’re saying is that thousands of tweens lost their pictures and valuable emails? I’m pretty sure most of these users won’t be losing any sleep over the issue.

  • Larry

    Yahoo should think twice about using Bing.

  • Derek Remund

    Um, no. It’s much, much different than storing your data on a local hard disk. In fact, data persistency is one of the primary “selling points” of a cloud-style service like the SK.

  • kinsey

    i canceled my account this afternoon and went and got an iphone… 5 years i have been a loyal tmobile customer… i can’t believe they would allow something like this to happen.

  • http://www.octechnophile.com david amodt

    as two public companies, isn’t their responsibility to maintain backups for their customers if not for compliance but also in case of any illegal activities. So if a crime or child perv was on there and some illegal messages they just got a free pass? Unreal

  • Janae

    Jonathan – that’s like asking someone why they didn’t check the tread on their car tires every time they pulled it out of the garage…or even every week.

    When something works for years (yes, I haven’t lost date since 2004, until now), you come to take it for granted.

    Yes, it’s a hard lesson learned, but..

    You’re really not helping things by pointing out the obvious.

  • http://www.scoopernews.com/sometimes-letting-data-die-a-natural-death-is-ok/ Sometimes, Letting Data Die A Natural Death Is Ok | ScooperNews.com

    [...] big story today is about Microsoft subsidiary Danger losing all T-Mobile Sidekick customer data from their [...]

  • tig

    Your glib comments are noted. Thanks for the sympathy.

    I’m 28 and just lost 5-years worth of contact information and other data. Forget you, man.

  • Janae

    …. I’ve had a Sidekick for a little over 5 years.
    Part of the original draw of the device was this “Cloud” that is now named. You change phones and your data ports over, unlike any other phone at the time (and for years)

    ….When the phone started acting up late Thursday (Oct 1st), I didn’t think much of it. The next day, I reset it, and then by Friday night I pulled the battery. This caused all of my Cloud-stored data to be lost.

    (note – anyone who’s had a sidekick for more than a year knows that sometimes they have trouble connecting to Danger’s Servers and the usual solution is a hard-reset/battery pull)

    Many people were advised to pull their battery by T-Mobile employees, while others had their phones automatically reset around Saturday morning (October 3rd) with the subsequent data loss.

    I have been following many forums (including t-mobile’s) and finally called into Customer Service last night to see if there was any kind of data-reset push they could do. (This has been done before, long ago and some posters where hinting that they had this done for them).

    At this time, there was a poster who was stating (loudly and repetitively) that the data was GONE. I shared this information with (Sheri in Arizona) the CS rep I spoke with that night and she sounded surprised. She, too, was a sidekick user and very nice.

    Today, we all (mostly?) received a T-Mobile text asking us to check tmobile.com/sidekick which redirected to the forum and the apology you see quoted in this article…

    Since then, I’ve cried twice.

    Fortunately, through Facebook, I’ve been able to contact one of my brothers who gave me my parents’ numbers.

    Yes, George Orwell would be laughing, but we have all come to depend on technology to some extent.

    I’m now contemplating lugging around an obnoxious “organizer” so that I can write everything down, in addition to putting all of my data on my iTouch.

    For the record, there is a program – Intellisync – for saving Sidekick info on your computer, but it has always been clunky and unfriendly. The original reason for the Sidekick has been destroyed.

    Well over 300 contacts and years worth of calendar information, along with notes upon notes and “to-do” lists are gone, for good apparently.

    It almost feels like a house fire, except just to the external other-half-of-my-brain that I call my sidekick.

    For those of you out there who think your information is safe. Learn from this please. Store information online, on paper, on a phone, everywhere. Invest the time!

    Please reply to me at gmail (2janae) if you care to.

    Thanks.

  • Janae

    Not all sidekick users are children.

    Your insensitivity is unnecessarily harsh for people who have lost a lot of valuable information.

  • Duh

    “given the fact that the Sidekick is totally reliant on the cloud because it doesn’t store its data locally”

    Since Sidekicks are not available in Europe and utterly uninteresting to begin with, I wasn’t aware of that. But now that you’ve pointed it out, there’s only one way to qualify both the users and the owners of Sidekick:

    Morons.

    (The picture is appropriate, one could compare this to riding a train without any brakes and not expecting shit to happen.)

  • Maxim Fridental

    I’m not a Sidekick owner and don’t know: is it not possible to backup personal data by the user? Or why haven’t you backed it up by yourself?

  • Rachel

    It’s not like this was just an accident with poor luck and no one at fault. It’s a clear case of negligence on the part of Microsoft.

    It’s a rookie failure. Why aren’t there backups?

  • Rachel

    To back up your second point, I had my first Sidekick in 2005. It went for a swim 6mo later, and I retired it for a Nokia. In 2007 I found myself with a Sidekick 3. When I fired it up, all of my data from 2005 “magically” re-appeared on my brand new phone. Emails, text messages, contacts- everything. It was pretty spiffy.

  • http://www.educationconnection.com/info/degree/DistanceEducationDegree.aspx distance education degree

    another MS nightmare

  • Rachel

    Jonathon, Sidekick users are currently being warned not to take out their batteries or let them die because their data is only cached locally. When reset, the Sidekick syncs with the server where the data is actually stored.

    Our data was supposed to be so safe that we were never even offered a simple way to import our data to have it backed up at home…. and it’s why I was paying as much per month as I was. One of Tmobiles selling points when trying to sell the phone to people in my demograpic was the data was safe and sound, and should I leave my phone a bus, my kid flushes it down the toilet or what have you- my data was safe and sound on their servers and when I replaced my phone, voila! contacts, calendars, everything right back on the phone. Presto chango!

    IF backing up is so simple, why didn’t Microsoft do it?

  • Rachel

    This is not Tmobile’s fault. Like we were paying Tmobile, they were paying Microsoft. When Danger was independent, things were fabulous. MS botched that whole deal. Tmobile is taking, what I think, are reasonable steps to make things better for their customers, and if you notice? Sidekicks are no longer offered… So it looks like MS is being fired, and will likely be sued.

  • Rachel

    Why would you be miffed that a product designed to work with a certain service wasn’t working without that service?

  • mark poe

    we have a cloud service that can help especially for 3G mobile devices (all of them) you can send and receive any media file and store it on the cloud.

    try this:
    http://www.cincopa.com/MediaSend/start.aspx?

  • Rikki Blu

    I’m sooooo glad me and my g1 are okay here in AWESOME LAND… LOL I’M SRRY YOU GUYS ARE RIGHT THIS IS NO LAUGHING MATTER INDEED, BUT YOUR SMART A$$ SHOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN A CHEAP ASS SIDEKICK TO BEGIN WITH, G1 all day ahhhhh bliss, pure bliss….

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cloe_Stackhouse/608872202 Cloe Stackhouse

    we have a new service with a cloud that can prevent this from happening. not only for sidekick but to all 3G phone, you can also send any media file to your 3G phone

    http://www.cincopa.com/MediaSend/start.aspx?

  • http://www.thecycleway.com Mark

    I chuckle when I read all the hate against MS. This isn’t about MS it’s about a few idiots working there (or use to) who have been completely negligent. Yes MS will wear it in end but it’s not about the OS behind the system it’s about a idiots operating the system. Could there be idiots like this at Google, Apple or any other tech company, absolutely.

    So lets look at the issue people and not take this another opportunity for a bit of MS bashing,

  • rickhy

    MS is launching windows Azure.. Wonder what effect this will have on MS. Azure works something like this – storing data in the cloud…

    http://www.techgiraffe.com/2009/10/11/microsoft-loose-sidekick-data/

  • Biggie

    They probably backed up to a proprietary file format (the kind Microsoft is so fond of) and when it came time to restore, the backup wasn’t readable. Maybe the DLLs were incompatible. Or a hacker got in and deleted all their backups.

    Whatever it is, it’s something really appallingly stupid. It’s not a case of “your data was recovered from last week/month” but “we either don’t have ANY backups or ALL our backups are unrecoverable”.

  • Jay

    Within 5 minutes of having the phone I realized that it was garbage. But I already had signed the contract so it was my FAIL. And now this crap. My Sidekick constantly goes into “Emergency Use Only” so when I reset it a couple nights ago I was unaware of the current situation. So yes I lost everything. Luckily my old Nextel still has majority of my main directory. Ever since I got the Sidekick I wished I never left Sprint. This situation is seriously making me want to pay contract breaking fine and go back to Sprint or get on the iPhone bandwagon. Though a lot of my friends with iphones always complain about it. So maybe not.

  • http://irthoughts.wordpress.com/2009/10/11/the-danger-of-microsoft-data-losts/ The Danger of Microsoft: Data Losts « IR Thoughts

    [...] The Danger of Microsoft: Data Losts By E. Garcia According to a Techcrunch 10-10-09 news a crash at Microsoft’s Danger servers resulted in the lost of all user personal data and they …! [...]

  • ANG TMO CUST

    NOBODY IS PERFECT!!!!!!!!! Should have backup dont understand why…possible hacker got into this big huge mess….

  • L.Hunter

    “Danger”. Imagine a company being so appropriately named.

  • http://boycottnovell.com/2009/10/11/danger-data-gets-trashed/ Microsoft Pink is Already Declared Dead and Danger Dies with Permanent Data Loss | Boycott Novell

    [...] was a few days ago. It turns out that Microsoft lost all the data and has no backups. Here is what TechCrunch wrote: Wow. T-Mobile and Danger, the Microsoft-owned subsidiary that makes the Sidekick, has just [...]

  • http://freer.com/bits/2009/10/11/risks-of-cloud-computing/ Bits & Pieces » Risks of “cloud” computing

    [...] server problems at Danger/Microsoft.  Besides server failure, it also appears (unbelievably) that Danger/Microsoft does not have backup of their users’ [...]

  • Syniq

    It is ironic that someone who has yet to discover their shift key or decipher the correct order of subordinate clauses should be casting aspersions on someone else’s grammar. :)

  • Fred

    Better them than me. I’ve committed non-backed up fail before, but that only effected 17K users, and only partially. Note to self: don’t smoke weed during work hours.

  • Syniq

    See, I really don’t understand this, but then I’m not a Sidekick customer. I’ve never had a problem with T-Mobile, and compared to the other mobile service providers in the UK they are astonishingly helpful. This is Microsoft’s balls-up, so it should be them that’s taking the brunt of the stick, not T-Mobile. I hope they get sued good and proper.

  • Syniq

    *puts on his Pointy-Haired Boss hat* We’re in a recession, doanchano. *nods* We can’t be having with these expensive machines lying around doing nothing, can we!

  • http://blog.phanfare.com/2009/10/danger-data-loss-give-hosted-services-a-bad-name/ Phanfare Blog: Andrew Erlichson » Danger data loss give hosted services a bad name

    [...] week we learned that Danger, a subsidiary of Microsoft, has lost huge amounts of customer data. Danger makes the sidekick smartphone, and they offer a service to synchronize the phone (contacts, [...]

  • Joe

    Never trust someone else to back up your data for you. Why weren’t any of you who lost information backing up to your own PC? There’s this little thing called Intellisync, maybe some of you have heard of it? If you weren’t using it, you have no-one to blame but yourself if you lost irreplaceable data. It’s amazing how this society has people conditioned to think that all thier problems are the fault of someone else instead of themselves so posts like Jonathans’ above and I’m sure this one, attract flames and vitriol from everyone.

  • http://i.justrealized.com/2009/10/11/microsoft-danger-lost-all-t-mobile-customer-data/ i.justrealized: Microsoft / Danger lost all T-Mobile customer data

    [...] [via Techcrunch] [...]

  • Mephron

    A year and a half ago, the Sidekick3 was one of the most advanced (and least irritatng in useless bells and whistles) phones out there. Despite the fact that a large percentage of the Idiot Brigade (including General Paris Hilton) kept showing it off, some of us just wanted a phone we could use to keep up with people (I have friends with Yahoo! and AIM, and sometimes it’s easier to do that, say, in a crowded bus, than use voice) and keep track of things.

    We’re not all ‘tweens’, but you are all idiot.

  • Mephron

    It is extremely difficult to back up the personal data on a Sidekick.

    A year ago I wanted to get a dump of my phone numbers. I had to log into the T-Mobile site, go to the Sidekick Desktop, and copy-and-paste it to a spreadsheet. There is no native export in the T-Mobile desktop online.

    There is a backup program, but it requires you to purchase a $30 piece of software for Windows, and a $20 proprietary data cable. There is no Mac equivalent, leaving a number of people out in the cold.

    I went through three iterations of the Sidekick – the Sidekick Color, the Sidekick 2, and most recently the Sidekick 3 – and only left T-Mobile and the Sidekick when the iPhone 3Gs came out, giving enough options for me to finally consider it worth changing.

  • http://www.masdeporte2009.blogspot.com niko
  • http://peebs.org/2009/10/a-cloud-is-only-as-good-as-its-backup-strategy/ A Cloud is Only as Good as Its Backup Strategy | PEEBS.ORG

    [...] Read about it here. [...]

  • http://www.bladewatch.com/2009/10/11/its-backed-up-right-why-backups-are-something-to-think-about/ It’s backed up right – why backups are something to think about « Blade Watch

    [...] It’s backed up right – why backups are something to think about Published by Martin on Sunday 11th October 2009, 16:09 View commentsComments | Filed under: News, Processes Hello there! If you are new here, you might want to subscribe to the RSS feed for updates on this topic.Powered by WP Greet BoxTechCrunch [...]

  • http://www.schelin.org Carl

    Honestly, as a computer professional, if you don’t test your backups, you _don’t_ have a backup.

    You’d think Microsoft would know better.

    Carl

  • http://www.vegard.net/archives/2094/ www.vegard.net – Lessons Learned the Hard Way.

    [...] is a collection of servers hosted by a Microsoft-owned subsidiary called Danger. Now, according to TechCrunch, the Sidekick users have been suffering from a major outage all week. In a statement released by [...]

  • http://www.kiinnosti.com/blog/microsoft-ja-t-mobile-kadottavat-kaikki-kayttajien-tiedot-ei-varmuuskopioita/ Microsoft ja T-mobile kadottavat kaikki käyttäjien tiedot: Ei varmuuskopioita | Rissen Blogi

    [...] Aijai. Microsoft ja T-mobile ovat sitten menneet mokaamaan kunnolla Amerikoissa. T-mobilen Sidekickin käyttäjät ovat mitä luultavammin menettäneet kaikki käyttäjätietonsa puhelimistaan. [...]

  • Rob

    Why even take the effort of typing “why even take the effort of typing “epic fail”"?

  • ObiReason

    His point was evidently lost on you. His point was that if these people had true smartphones (iPhone, G1), they wouldn’t care about this cloud disaster, because those phones store and sync locally. His comment had nothing to do with T-mobile has a provider.

  • http://joetheflow.wordpress.com/2009/10/11/t-mobile-sidekick-disaster-danger%e2%80%99s-servers-crashed-and-they-don%e2%80%99t-have-a-backup/ T-Mobile Sidekick Disaster: Danger’s Servers Crashed, And They Don’t Have A Backup « Joe The Flow

    [...] it doesn’t store its data locally. Microsoft acquired Danger for $500 million in February 2008. [read] Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)8 Ways to Get Organized in 5 MinutesHe’s [...]

  • http://www.matthewhutton.com Eraserhead

    If you were a small business then I’d agree with you that you might not check your backups were working correctly.

    However if you are a company as big as Microsoft you should be regularly checking that your backups do work correctly.

  • Alexander J Azar

    One can complain all they want about the competency of providors, but ultimately, data retention and intregrity is the responsibility of the its owner. The people to whom the data belongs.

    Excuses are for children. Durimg my time in IT any person who trusted their company’s data to the competency of a providor would be fired. And rightly so. But today one is suppose to be more tolerant towards the incompetent and the irresponsbile.

    Let this be a lesson to everyone. Protect your own data. It is ultimately your data and your responsibility.

  • http://hkimkr.wordpress.com/2009/10/11/personal-information-on-sidekick-mobile-phones-lost-due-to-server-failure/ Sidekick fiasco « HKim.kr

    [...] schedules and photos onto its servers. As it has been revealed that the Danger datacenters did not maintain a backup, the likelihood of recovering lost data is expected to be very [...]

  • http://beerpla.net Artem Russakovskii

    A G1? What is this, 2008?

  • tcaffeine

    I just can’t believe a company like microsoft
    would make a mistake like that.

    that’s sad.

  • snuzzle

    Nope, you do get one month though… one month of data, that is.

    So, a credit of roughly $20 (if you’re grandfathered) to $35 max. For seven years’ worth of data lost in the case of customers who have been with the SK since the beginning.

    Yeah… to say “that doesn’t cut it” doesn’t even begin to cover how insufficient it is…

  • snuzzle

    Yes. The Sidekick is one of Tmo’s most popular data phone, especially to the young, pay-as-you-go market. There are a LOT of us and the really stupid thing is, one of Tmo’s troubleshooting steps is “Power down your device and remove the battery.” They told ME to do this before they knew it was a nationwide outage… granted, I can’t blame them for not knowing, but if I had done that, I’d have lost everything.

  • Mike

    f(f(epic fail)

  • snuzzle

    “Our data was supposed to be so safe that we were never even offered a simple way to import our data to have it backed up at home….”

    While you have very valid points otherwise, I feel I need to correct you on this one. On the Desktop Interface when you log into Tmo’s website, it offers a program to backup your data from the web to your computer. I think at first it was an additional fee but eventually went free.

    I agree though. Thank gods I never lost any data *knock wood* but I’m so afraid that when the DI comes back up, my device will sync to the (blank) image of it on their server and I will lose it from my phone. I backed up everything I could, by forwarding them to a Gmail address and a Yahoo address (having learned the lesson of redundancy) but can’t find a way to backup my bookmarks, so those will be gone (and I have several hundred).

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/01998671718803374744 A41202813@GMAIL.COM

    For Sure, A Lot Of Lawyers Are Among The Affected Customers.

    Good Luck, M$.

  • amanda

    they aren’t letting anyone out of contract unless you pay the $200 termination fee. they are holding customers hostage

  • http://jtandson.net/WordPress/featured/t-mobile-sidekick-data-outage-turns-into-epic-customer-data-fail-disasters/ T-Mobile Sidekick Data Outage Turns Into Epic Customer Data Fail [Disasters] « Unit1

    [...] T-Mobile Sidekick Disaster: Danger’s Servers Crashed, And They Don’t Have A Backup [TechCrunch] T-Mobile Sidekick Out(r)age: Your Data’s Probably Gone Forever [Gizmodo] [...]

  • Slipstream

    Here come’s a Jewish rumble…

  • http://tmobile.com frofreezy

    THIS IS LIKE GETTING RAPED . I HAV SIDEKICK FOR 4 YEARS AND ALL MY CONTACTS WHICH IS OVER 1000 NUMBERS HAS BEEN SO CALLED SAFELY SAVED ON DANGER NETWORK HAS ALL GONE TMOBILE JUST RIPPED ME A NEW A$$HOLE

  • AJ

    So kids only keep data that they don’t care about?

    Or worse – kids’ feelings don’t matter?

    A clear and resounding no on both counts. Especially the second.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jonathan_Frederickson/1254205278 Jonathan Frederickson

    Well alright, I suppose most people aren’t worried about backups of their data. But then again, most people don’t have 1500 critical contacts that they can likely never get back.

    Your points are all based on the assumption that the servers will stay up. Clearly that was not the case here. From what I understand about the Sidekick, the only local copy of this information is lost when the battery dies and is re-synced once reconnected. In this case, the server-side copy is not the backup, it is the ONLY (somewhat) reliable copy.

    Sure, the average user won’t think about these things. But when you’re in an industry where your contacts are vital to your business, you should be thinking about it. In that case, it pays to be paranoid.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jonathan_Frederickson/1254205278 Jonathan Frederickson

    That’s a good point. If there isn’t a personal backup solution offered, there is no way for someone to back up their own data. But in that case, why would you choose it as a critical business phone?

    I’m not saying Microsoft/Danger shouldn’t be held responsible for this. On the contrary, it was their own fault for not making a backup. However, I am critical of people who have extremely important information they cannot afford to lose and make very little actual effort to protect it. Personal contacts are one thing; it’s more of an annoyance to have to go and get that information back. But when it’s information that you can’t easily get back, you better hold on to that data. Especially when it would directly affect your career to lose it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jonathan_Frederickson/1254205278 Jonathan Frederickson

    My point exactly.

  • http://blogs.betweenbrackets.net/?p=466 Between Brackets » Blog Archive » Make back-ups

    [...] contains more and more of our data, the responsibility of back-up and recovery seem foggy as the everything-crashed-and-we-don’t-have-back-ups of the T-Mobile Side Kick disaster [...]

  • http://cimota.com/blog mj

    There’ll be no civil suit.

    Microsoft will offer a competitive side-grade to a Microsoft branded Windows Mobile smartphone. Gotta get them market share points somehow!

  • http://zignar.net/2009/10/11/microsoft-danger-server-ausfall-daten-verlust-kein-backup Microsoft/Danger Server Ausfall – Daten verlust – kein Backup — Zignar.net

    [...] written by jordi, on 2009-10-11 19:42. T-Mobile and Danger, the Microsoft-owned subsidiary that makes the Sidekick, has just announced that they’ve likely lost all user data that was being stored on Microsoft’s servers due to a server failure. Epic Fail? [...]

  • http://www.richardshih.com/blog/?p=831 I have a bad feeling about this… | Richard Shih

    [...] the Microsoft-owned subsidiary that makes the Sidekick, has just announced that they’ve likely lost all user data that was being stored on Microsoft’s servers due to a server failure. That means that any contacts, photos, calendars, or to-do lists that [...]

  • http://tubaloo.com Michael Tupper

    Microsoft/Danger => Microsoft/Damaged

  • amy

    because people make their own decision! you dumb!

  • http://mozyrestore.com Mozy Restore

    This is why you do a physical backup (that you store somewhere other than right next to the computer you’re backing up) as well as a cloud-based online service like Mozy.

  • mark inaba

    to adapt a bill gates coment about ppl not buying software for bug fixes (they buy them for features). people don’t buy services for backups….

  • Irha

    I wonder what you did to all the data when you switched… didn’t you leave all that behind anyway?

  • Janae

    For those of you lacking in sympathy that we didn’t back up our information…

    Have you tried using Intellisync? It’s a piece of shit.

    Do you back up all of your email? If Gmail or Hotmail or Yahoo told you they’d lost all of your emails, wouldn’t you be shocked?

    The “stupid user” blame is insulting and unhelpful. So bugger off.

  • http://abramnichols.com/blog/?p=4486 More on the cloud – T-Mobile and Microsoft lose their customer’s stuff | abram’s nickels

    [...] Link: T-Mobile Sidekick Disaster: Danger’s Servers Crashed, And They Don’t Have A Backup [...]

  • Fred

    Wonder what “Storage Area Network” device they were upgrading. I would bet money its an EMC device.

  • Jasmine Lebel

    This is ridiculous I am not a tween I am 29 years old and do rely on the sidekick service for a myriad of resources it is a mini computer. I could care less about pics it’s my contact info and simply the fact that I am paying for this servive.If you pay for something a product you expect adequate perfomence. If you do not recieve what you want you simply return the product in this case what is the alternative? I expect free data services and some form or reimbursement to compensate for my trouble I have fortunately backed up most of my resent data but as for the other info it will require a lot of work this is bs but it doesnt only apply to a young demograph their are adults who use these phones

  • http://www.rhiannondaire.com Rhiannon

    When I started with the Sidekick, it wasn’t a critical business phone. It grew into one. In the beginning when there wasn’t a way for me to back it up, I became reliant on the Danger system. How many Sidekick users are actually aware of how the technology behind their device truly works? My guess, not nearly the number that uses them. I originally had all contacts on my sim card. A bit ago I had to get a new SIM Card. The guy at the store said he synced my contacts with it. Guess what, they weren’t.

    I think the above SK users also made all other pertinent points I can make.

  • http://fudge.org/danger-will-robinson/ Danger Will Robinson!

    [...] interest is quickly tempered in the wake of T-Mobile Sidekick data loss from the cloud — a Microsoft cloud.  The implication is a reminder of the importance of getting things [...]

  • Andrew Baron

    This would be classified as ‘Epic Fail’. Setting aside loss of life, this is indeed epic by all measures, especially in memory of the priceless.

  • http://blog.datenschmutz.net/2009-10/blogistan-panoptikum-kw41-2009/ Blogistan Panoptikum KW41 2009 auf datenschmutz.net

    [...] nähere Bekanntschaft mit einem Häuferl Hundekot macht. Und mitgestiegen sind, wie TechCrunch berichtet, eine Menge Sidekick User: Wow. T-Mobile and Danger, the Microsoft-owned subsidiary that [...]

  • http://www.techcogs.com/?p=303 Systems Operations: #1 Priority @ TechCogs.com

    [...] a moment and read this.  And this.  And [...]

  • http://www.techcogs.com/?p=303 Systems Operations: #1 Priority @ TechCogs.com

    [...] a moment and read this.  And this.  And [...]

  • http://markfight.com/blog/2009/10/11/sidekick-fail/ Sidekick FAIL « Weird Circus | MarkFight.com

    [...] last week all Sidekick users lost all data they didn’t have stored locally on their phones. [...]

  • Jay

    for one, I’ve had a t-mobile sidekick since 2006. for them to lose info from all those years is like a slap in the face. why the hell would we want to have our own back up plan when we’re paying big bucks every month to a company who should’ve done it for us in the first place? how is that our faults? it’s clearly danger/microsoft/tmobile’s problem. t-mobile shouldn’t have gotten involved if there wasn’t a back up plan involved, and clearly microsoft & danger are idiots all the same. and honestly, we get a month free or so much money off web browsing or whatever it is they told me? I HAVE UNLIMITED EVERYTHING. seriously t-mobile just screwed themselves. they’re going to lose so many customers who’ve been involved for years. i’m definitely ending my contract. the cancellation fee will be worth it.

  • http://home.bott.ca/webserver/?p=289 Preventing Catastrophic Data Loss | The Bott Blog

    [...] a business.  And it happens when large, professional data storage companies drop the ball: The big story today is about Microsoft subsidiary Danger losing all T-Mobile Sidekick customer data from their [...]

  • http://www.joselise.com/wp/2009/10/12/links-for-2009-10-11/ links for 2009-10-11 at DeStructUred Blog

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  • http://blogs.howstuffworks.com/2009/10/12/interesting-reading-344/ Interesting Reading #344 – The Blogs at HowStuffWorks

    [...] T-Mobile Sidekick Disaster: Danger’s Servers Crashed, And They Don’t Have A Backup – “Wow. T-Mobile and Danger, the Microsoft-owned subsidiary that makes the Sidekick, has just announced that they’ve likely lost all user data that was being stored on Microsoft’s servers due to a server failure…” [...]

  • http://webandlife.blogspot.com Andy Wong

    Google will boast from this inciddent as Google is promoting data portability with which you may backup easily.

  • http://bbulkow.blogspot.com/ brian bulkowski

    Excuse me, but what does this have to do with ‘cloud’? Microsoft/Danger lost a lot of data. Other than the headline, there is nothing in the article that implicates “cloud computing”.

    I am 99% sure they use a standard datacenter methodology and multi-tier architecture. Databases, SANs, app servers, everything. Even the fact that they “took backups before a SAN upgrade” means they almost certainly weren’t using “cloud computing”.

    Maybe “cloud” has finally jumped the shark – everything good and bad is smeared with cloud!

  • http://jardenberg.se/b/jardenberg-kommenterar-2009-10-12/ jardenberg kommenterar – 2009-10-12 — jardenberg unedited

    [...] T-Mobile Sidekick Disaster: Danger’s Servers Crashed, And They Don’t Have A Backup [...]

  • Ex-Kicka’

    T-Mobile is the one that gets hosed on this affair. Microsoft thinks PINK will be some iconic device for the youth market. So, having customer loyalty doesn’t matter in regards to Sidekick.
    One never knows. This may be a blowback by Microsoft to kill the TMobile youth market and drive customers to Verizon -a proposed new carrier for Microsoft’s junky Tamogachi PINK device. Even with the massive lawsuits to come, and daily fines Microsoft has a cottage industry of killing products and paying absurd amounts of money to achieve some long-range goal. Unfortunately for them, PINK is sheer trash. A 50 cent vending machine product so cheap only it’s Division leader would find it tasteful-the dreaded Roz Ho.
    The sidekick was a seminal device that was abused and neglected by parasitic management and now the boobs at Microsoft PMX.

  • Ex-Kicka’

    Google has a lot more respect for the cloud concept. It would never happen unless they were hacked or targeted by a virus.
    Danger losing data is a total lack of maturity on their part. Microsoft being the parent company doesn’t mean much, because they would have never made something so shitty like the Sidekick backend. I feel sorry for TMobile, which had paid for this service for year-only to find out they were lied to. A bunch of Ukraine hackers were upgrading the SAN.

  • http://full-linux.com/christopher-blizzard-sidekick-and-data-lock-in/ Christopher Blizzard: sidekick and data lock-in | Full-Linux.com

    [...] you another reason to not move to another phone. But it doesn’t matter. In case you missed it Danger/Microsoft managed to lose everyone’s data. Like, all of it. And people had no easy way to keep a backup because the tools didn’t [...]

  • http://www.jessta.id.au Jesse McNelis

    What’s the bet that in the terms of service they state no responibility for loss of your data.

    No backup plan is fool proof, especially with massive amounts of data and a small budget. But if is surprising they don’t have at least an older backup they can restore from.

  • Dave

    Whoa. I had a SK2 and LX and loved them. Amazing phones. But they weren’t keeping up when it came to the feature set, then when Microsoft acquired Dngr I had a feeling it was a matter of time before they completely ran it into the ground. And they have, at least from the looks of the recent leaks about Pink and all that. But this… this is even worse! My condolences to SK users.

  • Jesicca

    I would like to start by saying that from what I have heard some of Sidekick users will get data back no guarantees. Microsoft should have been backing up info on their end, not only on tmobile’s part. I am also positive that T- Mobile is taking the fault here. They are giving credits for the issue as well as taking all the blame. Those reps in t mobile stores and call centers have to take the customers or talk to them and say “hey we are sorry this happened we want to do the best we can,” while Microsoft sits and watches t mobile…..I mean what has been said as far as what microsoft is doing????? Looks like nothing

  • Jesicca

    I agree with the Sidekick being garbage….but I think that the I phone is just a POS too. I mean I know several people who have that phone and their camera sucks they get continued dropped calls, applications are not free and suck. Thats just from what I have seen and heard. The G1 great phone I like that phone alot.

  • Mark

    For the record, I have a Sidekick and did not lose my data. This loss is obviously not limited to a small number of people but I wonder how big it really was?

  • http://meneame.net/story/t-mobile-microsoft-pierden-datos-clientes-no-tener-backup-eng T-Mobile y Microsoft pierden los datos de sus clientes por no tener un backup [ENG]

    [...] T-Mobile y Microsoft pierden los datos de sus clientes por no tener un backup [ENG]www.techcrunch.com/2009/10/10/t-mobile-sidekick-disaster-mic… por Alvaro_SG hace pocos segundos [...]

  • http://www.edugeek.net/forums/news/42929-microsoft-t-mobile-not-backing-up-prior-san-upgrades.html#post395841 Microsoft, T-Mobile and not backing up prior to SAN upgrades

    [...] [...]

  • TheCube

    “They’re moving very, very close to being completely reliable”
    Please, reliability 101, nothing is ever “completely reliable”, particularly not software which is too complex to ever be tested properly. It does not matter how many ‘nines’ you think you have bought of reliability all you are doing is postponing the inevitable failure event(s). The great thing about cloud is that the software is so complex and the system so large it can never be usefully tested so you have no idea what the achieved relability will be. No amount of component testing or analysis is going to yield useful information on the type of cascade failure that takes out these services.

  • http://alt1040.com/2009/10/desastre-absoluto-microsoft-pierde-los-datos-personales-de-los-miles-de-usuarios-estadounidenses-que-poseen-un-sidekick Desastre absoluto: Microsoft pierde los datos personales de los miles de usuarios estadounidenses que poseen un Sidekick | ALT1040 (Actualidad)

    [...] por Danger, empresa adquirida en 2008 por Microsoft que fabrica el terminal). Pues bien, T-Mobile ha informado que debido a un error en los servidores se han perdido todos los datos personales almacenados [...]

  • Name

    Get a Mac!

  • EminiSP

    What a great analysis of the situation. Troll.

  • http://www.berryreview.com/2009/10/12/danger-sidekick-epic-failure-gives-me-a-new-perspective/ Danger Sidekick Epic Failure Gives Me a New Perspective… | BerryReview.com »

    [...] can read more at Engadget, T-Mobile Forums, or Techcrunch Please Share With A [...]

  • http://oscartux.wordpress.com/2009/10/12/microsoft-pierde-datos-personales-de-miles-de-usuarios-del-sidekick-en-estados-unidos/ Microsoft pierde datos personales de miles de usuarios del Sidekick en Estados Unidos « Webeando en la red

    [...] por Danger, empresa adquirida en 2008 por Microsoft que fabrica el terminal). Pues bien, T-Mobile ha informado que debido a un error en los servidores se han perdido todos los datos personales almacenados [...]

  • http://www.zdar.net/blog/liens-du-soir/musique-et-jeux-videos-prince-au-grand-palais-marge-simpson-nue-journalisme-musical-web-de-flux-marche-pub-jean-sarkozy-a-lepad-yahoo-en-iran-spotify-aux-usa-et- Musique et jeux vidéos, Prince au Grand Palais, Marge Simpson nue, journalisme musical, web de flux, marché pub, Jean Sarkozy à l’EPAD, Yahoo en Iran, Spotify aux USA et Google qui incite à la balance… | zdar.net

    [...] Vous connaissez le Sidekick (un smartphone très populaire aux US) ? Merde, Michel a paumé les clés du serveur et on avait pas de backup. Une histoire à dormir debout. [...]

  • http://www.qibug.com/2009/10/letting-data-die-a-natural-death/ Letting Data Die A Natural Death | Tech stuff center

    [...] big story today is about Microsoft subsidiary Danger losing all T-Mobile Sidekick customer data from their [...]

  • SiliconValley

    Drove past the Microsoft/Danger offices on Park in Palo Alto on the way to Fry’s Electronics (next to Danger) twice over the weekend. The Microsoft/Danger car park was 95% empty – only about 10 cars there. What’s up with that?

  • Violentine

    This is very bad. I’m only of those “I’ve been with T-Mobile for 7 years” since they were Voice Stream in fact. I got the Sidekick II when it came out (I missed the first gen phones) in 2005 – in that sidekick were all of my contacts imported in from my sim from my nokia since 2002. I essentially lost 7 years worth of contacts and 4 years worth of information since I use my note system for a lot of information.
    In fact, I may get railed for this, but I use my phone for my daily wake up alarm – sorry but regular alarms do not wake me up – the Sidekick tones always did. Tuesday morning, I woke up to no info, no alarm – and woke up late. And to call someone for an emergency ride was impossible because, alas, my contacts were gone.
    Swing and a miss!
    I got double teamed and almost lost my job for it – I had to take a cab to work which cost me 40 bucks! This outage – this damage done, is not recession friendly. All this AFTER they told me two weeks prior, that I could not get out of my contract when I tried to cancel it because they were upping the overage fees. I was told that “since you have not gone over in the last 3 months, you cannot cancel your contract without an early termination fee.”
    I find it insulting that after 7 years I’m still held to any contract at all, just because I want to upgrade my phone. I’m on a grandfathered family plan with 3 phones. Please tell me there’s a class action on this. PLEASE. I got effed in the A.

  • http://www.chris-parsons.com Chris

    Close your parentheses, sir :-)

  • http://www.caljobsource.com CalJobSource

    I guess they like to live dangerously.

  • Que

    Cheaper data plan

    deaf people (advantages over other phones)

    people they dont like touchscreens

    dont want at&t (iphone)

    better keyboards (depending on sidekick model)

  • Que

    lol the name is just as bad as naming the company they might as well have named the company

    our shit dont work

    acme

    dont buy this

    utoh

    red flag

  • Mike Johnson

    Well, it’s a different situation. The iPhone and Android contacts, yes, but they also keep a local copy that you could use if google/me.com blows up. So if it’s down there’d be no sync’ing but your phone would still work.

    Only Microsoft was crazy enough to make a phone and blow away any local storage on reboot. That’s just nuts. Now they have to tell people not to turn off their phones… Crazy, crazy, crazy.

  • Mike Johnson

    Well, it sounds like it’s not t-mobile’s fault, I wouldn’t blame them for Microsoft/Danger’s failings.

  • Bebe

    “Letting Microsoft acquire a company called Danger is like buying a pit bull named “Killer” and letting him sleep in the henhouse.”

    http://www.infoworld.com/d/adventures-in-it/microsoft-screwup-puts-t-mobile-users-in-danger-482?source=IFWNLE_nlt_blogs_2009-10-12

  • Mike Johnson

    Check your phone bill, there’d still be a record of all of your calls. Sucks, but you could hire somebody to script it and come up with a list of unique numbers.

  • Carlos Castro

    Danger/M$ should have made it easy to backup all contact info on the onboard SD card.

  • rask

    I love the amount of shit being heaped on Microsoft here.

    The negligence on their part here is making an aquisition like Danger and making sure that they adhere to their corporate specs.

    Seriously, has anyone EVER lost any hotmail, mesh, live sync etc etc content from their account aside from letting it lapse or losing their credentials through phishing?

    They run stuff 100x more complicated than the Sidekick stuff and pull it off with apparent ease. They have this stuff down to a science.

    This massive f-up looked to me like a completely mis-managed aquisition that lacked any type of corporate oversight.

  • Asurin

    That’s a good idea. If he has made appointments to phone people at certain times then he can cross reference that with the call record.

    In future I’d advise anyone with important contact information to keep a written copy. That will protect you against anything up to an EMP.

    Then you just need to have contacts stored on 2 different web based services incase of fire/flood.
    (Ideally they should be located in different geographic locations from each other and your own).

  • rask

    From what I read online(I believe it was Engadget), this was an HDS(Hitach Data Systems) SAN.

  • Henry

    My guess is that there was a centrally located bit of data that associated a special number with each account/phone owner and that without knowing which number goes where they can’t reconstruct their data. That centrally located bit of information might not have been that huge at all but without it all the other data is useless.

    Still would be a major failure by the providers….

  • Que

    And what phones use Voip and allow you to connect to a server of your choice to back up everything ?

  • Erick

    Bad for microsoft, good for Google and Android. With the automatic sync options and the redundant information backup inherent in the Android platform, its looking better and better. My contacts are on Sim card, Phone memory, Gmail, and Google Voice. I am very very not worried about losing my data.

  • http://techidea.org/2009/10/sidekick-has-no-backup-millions-of-user-lost-contacts-forever/ SideKick Has No Backup, Millions Of User Lost Contacts Forever | TechIdea

    [...] and contacts vanish from Sidekick phones [via yahoo tech] T-Mobile Sidekick Disaster: Danger’s Servers Crashed, And They Don’t Have A Backup [via techcrunch] Share and [...]

  • mankind

    GM of MSFT/Danger would say-
    “I guess things are working as planned. Now we kicked the Danger users on the back, we can get all those on Pink phones which are launching in March with Vzw.”

    Please, wait till March to buy MSFT Pink phones…..

  • http://rseven.com Hisyam Halim

    For those reading about this & haven’t backed up their phone, do it NOW.

    There are plenty of free options but if you’re a WM or Nokia/Samsung S60 user, try Rseven (rseven.com). It backups everything, including call logs & SMS.

  • http://igorbrejc.net/freshcatch/fresh-catch-for-october-13th igorbrejc.net » Fresh Catch For October 13th

    [...] T-Mobile Sidekick Disaster: Danger’s Servers Crashed, And They Don’t Have A Backup [...]

  • http://www.vdctech.info/?p=27801 V-Technology World

    [...] Sidekick User Data? Microsoft Servers Ate It. Posted under Computer News by Webmaster on Monday 12 October 2009 at 11:30 pm Easy AdSense by Unreal http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/10/1…-have-a-backup/ [...]

  • http://iphone24.se/sidekick-t-mobile-backup/ Sidekick-tragedin, en uppmaning till backup? | iPhone 24

    [...] mer: Macworld och TechCrunch] Alla operatörer har slut på iPhone 3GS. Förhandsboka en från nästa leverans idag: Tre – [...]

  • Spooky

    you diddnt bitch nearly enough. call back.

  • Spooky

    lost 800 + contacts.. hello MotoCliq :) , oo… and hello free upgrade & credit. lol. i dare customer loyalty tell me no to that. been a Sk user for years.. had every device since 05. SUPER PISSED

  • Shanghai Dan

    My Samsung i760 on the Verizon network. I use Skype for international calls, and back up data to my laptop (automatically via ActiveSync) and/or my web server (via FTP when I choose to do so, when I have important files and will be away from my laptop for more than a few hours).

  • http://mizfitonline.com/2009/10/13/tmobile-is-a-raging/ MizFit

    [...] By losing every single solitary piece of my information. [...]

  • http://vintage1951.wordpress.com/2009/10/13/danger-in-the-cloud/ Danger in the Cloud? « Vintage1951

    [...] after a week of escalating outages, T-Mobile was forced to announce to it’s Sidekick users that their data had been lost and that recovery was extremely unlikely.  For those that (like me) haven’t come across the Sidekick before, it’s a smart phone, [...]

  • rooseveltFranklin

    the question is….
    who is responsible for the sidekick dataloss disaster???? can you say microsoft???!!! The same fine folks responsible for the latest ipod wanna be zune HD. one can only hope that these misguided consumers soon realize that they have been tricked, fooled, led astray, zooned and bamboozled by microsoft!! how long will they wander in their zoon wilderness with software and hardware that was stillborn and obsolete before it was ever offered to consumers? and on a lighter note, a new apple store has opened near by!! see ya real zoon at the apple store!!!! hahahahahaha;-)

  • http://www.creativeconflicts.com Alfaprima
  • http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/10/13/sidekick-user-data-may-be-recovered-after-all/ Sidekick user data may be recovered after all

    [...] during the recent Microsoft/T-Mobile Sidekick outage. While it initially appeared that user data may have been lost forever, T-Mobile issued a statement late yesterday saying, “Recent efforts indicate the prospects of [...]

  • Dee Whitehead

    Im F ing pissed about lossing my dam data, Some times t mobile just piss me the F off! I been with t mobile since 2002 when the first sidekick came out. good thing theres alway Dos equis and women at my house or i would have went postal!! lol stay thirsty my friends, drink responsable

  • http://www.theredmonkey.com/2009/10/sidekick-user-data-may-be-recovered-after-all Sidekick user data may be recovered after all | The Red Monkey

    [...] during the recent Microsoft/T-Mobile Sidekick outage. While it initially appeared that user data may have been lost forever, T-Mobile issued a statement late yesterday saying, “Recent efforts indicate the prospects of [...]

  • Violentine

    Here’s my recent skinny. I calmed down – I still have no contacts. I see TODAY there is a $100 gift card coming out for users who have lost their contacts. Whatever.

    I called yesterday and spoke with an account “specialist.” The guy I spoke to BEFORE him was more helpful.
    I told him I did NOT want to deal with the hassle of shopping around for a new service and plan… but I DID just get this new sidekick less than 5 months ago when the current sidekick owners could get the phone 2 weeks before roll out – so I shelled out almost 500 bux for this phone!!
    I told him I’d stay around if they could replace my phone and service with something comparable.
    Instead of doing any explaining, he straight up told me “we are NOT giving you a new phone for free, but we will discount it!” I had a lengthy – DETAILED explanation, and I was very professional – not that I was forced to be – and he comes at me with this. And after I tell him I’d like to research these other phones – he gets all haughty and tells me, “well these prices are subject to change.” I’m like, “I’m driving home now, you mean these prices are gonna change in 15 minutes?!” He repeated, “these prices are subject to change.”
    THAT’S not suspicous. He said I could get any of the newer phones discounted to 130-150, plus this new gift card – might be worth it, but they can go eff themselves if they wanna snake me into another contract.

  • http://whatelseisthere.net/2009/10/esto-de-la-nube-es-la-leche-hasta-que-llueve/ what else is there » Esto de la nube es la leche… hasta que llueve

    [...] la semana pasada cuando parece que, de repente, lo olvidó todo. Algo falló durante lo que, se supone, iba a ser una actualización de los sistemas de almacenamiento en red [...]

  • pamela

    well thank alot tmobile you have losted a customeri will be dropping you as soon as i can you losted all my numbers and i just moved away so i can not even go ask for them back #$%%%%#@@@&*@#!!*&^%%%$#@!

  • http://alaibson.wordpress.com/2009/10/13/the-cloud-t-mobiles-doin-it-wrong/ The Cloud: T-Mobile’s Doin’ it Wrong. « Abort, Retry, Flail

    [...] more information check out Engadget and TechCrunch. Then go and backup your phone’s data. Leave a Comment No Comments Yet so far Leave a [...]

  • http://alaibson.wordpress.com/2009/10/13/how-not-to-promote-cloud-computing/ How Not to Promote Cloud Computing « Abort, Retry, Flail

    [...] more information check out Engadget and TechCrunch. Then go and backup your phone’s data. Leave a Comment No Comments Yet so far Leave a [...]

  • http://dagnygromer.wordpress.com/2009/10/13/microsoft-t-mobile-cell-phones-loose-all-data/ Microsoft, T-Mobile Cell Phones Loose All Data « dagny’s desk

    [...] It seems that Microsoft’s data center that was storing the data for T-Mobile Sidekick phones lost all the data folks entrusted them with. Why do I find this funny? Because it’s Microsoft, a company I have [...]

  • http://www.realestateindustrywatch.com/using-a-sidekick-for-real-estate-think-again/ Using a Sidekick for Real Estate? Think Again | Real Estate Industry Watch

    [...] The data loss is a result of a cacophony of errors including failed server backups by Microsoft. The Sidekick relied on cloud backups through the company Danger, which was acquired by Microsoft (cloud computing services allow devices to remotely store data elsewhere instead of on the device itself). T-Mobile is offering a credit of one month of service for the users effected and up to a $100 per user for data loss. Techcrunch has posted a copy of the letter sent to Sidekick users on their site. [...]

  • sara

    True,the only ones paying for this is sidekick users.I just spoke with GhettoFabulous, obviously her first day as a tMobile customer service rep. She quite loudly reassured me I will pay the $200 if I back out of my contract 3 months shy.

  • http://sidekickfail.com Angry Customer

    Forum.sidekickfail.com has recently been created as an open and neutral place sidekick customers can exchange ideas and vent without the fear of their valuable thoughts, ideas, and opinions being deleted and disrespected as T-Mobile has been doing on their forums.

  • amy

    You know what’s worse is that for every sidekick customer they pay 20.00 aditional to their bill monthly for this not to happen, there is no excuse…

    Babygirl,
    M.city

  • http://www.nasioc.com tr0n

    Anyone using a sidekick obviously is NOT a business user, therefore the data is worthless. This is exactly what Microsoft/Danger thought, hence the lack of testing or backups.

    If I was Microsoft or Danger I would not have cared either.

    The majority of people who use the sidekick have zero to no credibility in regards to needing data highly available.

  • pamela

    you know telling me that i have lose contact with my friends does not help much #@&*!!#@ i can not wait until the end of this night meir i think tmobile S#@!%$&%$#@!

  • Lisa

    I’d like to know where that picture is from. Anyone know?

  • http://fschiettecatte.wordpress.com/2009/10/13/danger-danger/ Danger Danger « François Schiettecatte’s Blog

    [...] on October 13, 2009 Plenty has been written about the Danger data loss over the weekend (TechCrunch). For me the most interesting commentary came from John C. Dvorak, he got some things right but he [...]

  • Sheri

    i cant believe this i better get a free phone bill for this. or im canceling my plan unbelievable how can you not back up something. i lost everything!

  • http://www.datasafe-eurosafe.com/data-safe/t-mobile-and-microsoft-danger-backup-fiasco-causes-personal-data-loss T-Mobile and Microsoft Danger backup fiasco causes personal data loss | Datasafe Eurosafe

    [...] version of events has been widely publicised. According to various sources including Hiptop and Techcrunch, Microsoft commissioned Hitachi to perform an upgrade or modification of the Sidekick’s SAN. [...]

  • http://thesysadminlog.com/backup/yet-another-reminder-that-replication-is-not-backup/ Yet Another Reminder That Replication Is Not Backup at TheSysAdminLog

    [...] that IT management forgets that replication is not backup. Last week the story hit the web about Microsoft / Danger’s disaster with their online service for Sidekick. For anyone who didn’t read about the issues, the [...]

  • mankind

    But but but, what about Pink coming in March 2010?

    Would you please purchase that instead?

    It is Vzw and touch screen!

  • mankind

    Pamela,
    This is NOT TMobile mistake.

    My sources say that-
    It became more important to run Pink project and less profitable for MSFT to run the Danger. So, costs will have to be cut.

    The backups were too large to take and was too difficult. The backups were stopped for last year or so.

  • http://www.tupacimpersonator.com Josh Harraway

    Microsoft is bidding for the city of los angeles’ email contract against google. I really hope they don’t get it. Please help make a fuss about this so that microsoft doesn’t get this account.

    If google had been running danger this would never ever have happened. redundancy, redundancy, redundancy!

    http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/180447.asp

  • http://www.brentozar.com/archive/2009/10/bad-news-good-news-worse-news/ Bad News, Good News, Worse News | Brent Ozar – SQL Server DBA

    [...] post, but times like this remind me of just how hard it is to be a good database administrator, and how easy it is to lose data.  Have you tested your restores lately?  Do you really think you’ve got something more [...]

  • E. Phillips

    I was a T-mobile Sidekick user. But I noticed that when I was in an area I could not connect and I had changed the battery I did not have my contacts so I could not call my contacts from a landline. Realizing the drawback; I was relying on off site backup I could not count on, I immediately got rid the phone. I would guess many Sidekick users were not aware of the exposure. And if they did know, they would reasonably think the backup was with greater reliability than when they backed up their computer hard drive.

    The current disaster is a marketing ploy gone awry. You had to spend at least twenty bucks a month to have an address book even if you did not use the internet. T-Mobile controlled your contacts to probably influence you to continue to be their customer. This smells of class action. The phone files are gone and the contacts could take literally hours to reproduce. Some data lost forever. One should have been able to rely on big tech backing up the customer.

    Suggested Remedy. T-Mobile give an option to replace all the phones (Who is going to believe them in the future?). Give three to six months free service to Sidekick customers. OR hire people to go and replace their customers data. Oh, the second option is not practical.

    Who is to blame? When my car does not work properly due to design or manufacturing defect, I go to the dealer that sold it to me. That analogy means T-Mobile. T-Mobile is the one who wanted the marketing advantage over their customers by tying in and “possessing” their customer’s info. Let T-Mobile put the pressure on who they believe is responsible. ONe thing we know for sure, T-Mobile is responsible for the ridiculous exposure they put on their customers. Why do you think no one else is doing this on any other phone? Sometimes you just have to pay to for being controlling.

    By the way, why would a company name itself Danger? Most times simple words say it all. Danger, Danger, Danger Will Robinson.

  • http://www.jacobnahin.com/?p=248 When it rains bits and bytes, call #CloudFail. | JacobNahin, Freelance Journalist

    [...] fact, this past week has been one knock after another for believers in the cloud. T-Mobile/Danger/Microsoft’s Sidekick blunder emphasizes that just like our personal devices, cloud data is prone to failure. Whether it be a [...]

  • http://thenextweb.com/2009/10/15/google-docs-suffering-performance-issues-update/ Google Docs Suffering From Performance Issues Following Update

    [...] qualms about the safety of documents stored by Google in the cloud. With disasters such as the Danger/Sidekick debacle fresh in mind, having more issues from a cloud base service is hardly heartening. Tags: Cloud, [...]

  • http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/10/14/source-microsoft-may-be-able-to-restore-all-of-the-lost-sidekick-data-after-all/ Source: Microsoft May Be Able To Restore All Of The Lost Sidekick Data, After All

    [...] heard from a source that employees inside Microsoft who are working on the Danger/Sidekick meltdown are optimistic that they’ll be able to recover all of the data that was lost during last [...]

  • Anonymous

    Apparently MS is able to recover the data, see their press release at:

    http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2009/oct09/10-15sidekick.mspx

    Now would be a very good time for all Sidekick users to press a way to make LOCAL backups of their data in case MS cloud evaporates in the future.

  • http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/10/15/update-on-microsoftsidekick-debacle-most-if-not-all-data-gets-recovered/ Update On Microsoft/Sidekick Debacle: “Most, If Not All” Data Gets Recovered

    [...] out our source had it right: Microsoft engineers who worked on the Danger/Sidekick meltdown have been able to recover most if not all of the data that was lost during last weekend’s [...]

  • http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/10/15/sidekick-outages-could-have-cost-microsoft-over-700000-per-day/ Sidekick Outages Could Have Cost Microsoft Over $700,000 Per Day

    [...] the Great Sidekick Disaster of 2009, there’s been a nearly endless torrent of tips on the matter barraging our inbox. Some [...]

  • http://respaldos.com.uy/2009/10/15/a-cualquiera-le-puede-pasar/ A cualquiera le puede pasar « Respaldos

    [...] …y no tenían copia de seguridad para más info ver el enlace [...]

  • http://pwam.wordpress.com/2009/10/15/microsoft-confirms-data-recovery-for-sidekick-users/ Microsoft Confirms Data Recovery for Sidekick Users « Pwam

    [...] Next turn of events: T-Mobile and Danger (the Microsoft-owned subsidiary that makes the Sidekick) has just announced that they’ve likely lost all user data that was being stored on Microsoft’s servers due to a server failure. Read more at TECHCRUNCH. [...]

  • http://www.craigbailey.net/microsoft-cloud-failure-and-t-mobile/ Microsoft, Cloud failure and T-Mobile | Craig Bailey on Microsoft

    [...] The story kicked off two weeks ago, but hit fever pitch last Saturday with news from TechCrunch of T-Mobile losing all customer data and thus:This goes beyond FAIL, face-palm, or any of the other internet memes we’ve come to [...]

  • monies

    Lol extremely difficult?

    First off, unless you’re Paris Hilton and 6000 is the number of sexual partners you’ve had, who REALLY has that many contacts? Are these all your Myspace pals? Whoa, that ther’s important stuff.

    Second of all, it’s funny that everyone blames Micro$oft for not backing up stuff when they themselves didn’t make backup files for their own info. Silly. I hate Apple and Microsoft as much as the next person, I personally think they’re both crap, but seriously, there are several ways you could’ve helped yourself. And the next thing you can do is not get a KID’S PHONE, may I suggest an Android device? Oh yeah, and you can blame Google when that goes down too. Or write your contact lisit on paper and laminate it, heh. Psh, typical lazy American. Things break. Nothing is permanent. Stuff gets lost. Not every storage method is epicfail!-proof, so you have to back things up.

    What’s that? Oh, your poor hands can’t type after your diatribe? So sorry… I know some 8 year olds that type 60 WAM, need some help?

  • monies

    This.

    Honestly, if you supposedly work in the entertainment industry and make THOUSANDS, you should have a computer and some alternative method of storing your precious data. Instead of what is, essentially, a kid’s phone.

    That is, if you consider yourself a serious business person.

    If I ever see a “working professional” take my information by opening a purple phone that flips open and lights up like a candy kid’s whirling glowsticks, I am running very far away.

    Get a blackberry. Get a computer. Get over it, because you didn’t save your own stuff. :)

  • http://readynas.su/2009/10/19/preventing-catastrophic-data-loss/ ReadyNAS » Blog Archive » Preventing Catastrophic Data Loss

    [...] a business. And it happens when large, professional data storage companies drop the ball: The big story today is about Microsoft subsidiary Danger losing all T-Mobile Sidekick customer data from their [...]

  • http://backuptechnology.agencypreview.info/t-mobile-and-microsoft-danger-backup-fiasco-causes-personal-data-loss/ T-Mobile and Microsoft Danger backup fiasco causes personal data loss

    [...] version of events has been widely publicised. According to various sources including Hiptop and Techcrunch, Microsoft commissioned Hitachi to perform an upgrade or modification of the Sidekick’s SAN. [...]

  • http://tmobile Peggy Converse

    so, if I don’t get everything back the way I programed my sidekick~ what then? I lost ALOT of life line info!!! What is Tmobile going to do for valueable devoted customer like myself??… Just wondering? You all at Tmobile have a very Blessed Day. Best Wishes to you all. It will all work out for all of us. Yours Truely Peggy Converse 719~242~6391

  • oopsieee

    I agree.. I HATE my iPhone. I went back to my motoMing and will just wait for the contract to end.

  • Zach

    How many BILLIONS of copies of Microsoft operating system’s have been SOLD to OEM’s, and to the public at large with WARNINGS to back up your DATA?

    And, so who do we find is NOT heeding their own advice?

  • http://www.fileslinger.com/2009/10/putting-your-data-in-danger/ Putting Your Data in Danger | FileSlinger™ Backup Blog

    [...] adventure began on October 10th. The headline in TechCrunch read “T-Mobile Sidekick Disaster: Danger’s Servers Crashed, And They Don’t Have A Backup.” [...]

  • http://www.dkaiser.com/blog/?p=9 dKaiser » Blog Archive » Starting out

    [...] process… let’s hope that will not happen. And Sidekick/Danger/T-Mobile/Microsoft/Hitachi disaster was not a cloud [...]

  • http://agigatech.com/blog/keeping-data-safe-in-the-cloud/ agigatech.com » Keeping Data Safe in the Cloud

    [...] subsidiary Danger suffered a technical glitch. At first, the news was very bad. The lost data looked unrecoverable. Then, it looked like some of the data might be recovered. Then most. If you are or were a T-Mobile [...]

  • http://www.nvelocity.com/blog/2009/10/29/google-security-and-your-data/ Google, Security and your Data – Network Velocity

    [...] the recent news about Microsoft and T-Mobile losing client data many people are quick to judge all Cloud services as less than trustworthy. This is not true! [...]

  • http://christophercummings.com/blog/2009/11/02/great-apologies-product-managers-can-learn-from-plus-one-of-my-own/ Great Apologies Product Managers Can Learn From. (Plus, One Of My Own.) | Product Management Meets Pop Culture

    [...] month, T-Mobile Sidekick customers suffered a week-long data outage–and, on top of that, potentially lost data stored in “the [...]

  • http://adamstechblog.com/2009/11/03/t-mobile-nationwide-service-disruption/ Adam’s Tech Blog » T-Mobile Nationwide Service Disruption

    [...] is the second major blow to T-Mobile since the sidekick issue on October 11th that  caused cascading failures and ultimately the loss of all data for [...]

  • http://theantipimp.com/?p=1557 How to get a credit from T-Mobile | The Anti Pimp

    [...] October 10th – T-Mobile’s Sidekick server crashes completely and there’s no back up.  Rather than listening to their customers (you know..the ones that pay the bills and keep the lights on at T-Mobile), they sent the following letter: [...]

  • http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/11/17/t-mobile-starts-selling-sidekicks-again-drops-prices/ T-Mobile starts selling Sidekicks again, drops prices

    [...] problems? What data problems? Oh right, those data problems. Well, its been about a month so, like with any sort of break up or [...]

  • http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/11/17/t-mobile-uk-employees-caught-peddling-personal-data/ T-Mobile UK employees caught peddling personal data

    [...] in the states, T-Mobile has been no stranger to screw-ups, but we’d always just figured that their UK counterparts were stand-up guys. After [...]

  • http://naphone.com/editorials/t-mobile-uk-employees-caught-peddling-personal-data/ T-Mobile UK employees caught peddling personal data | Inside Cell Phones

    [...] in the states, T-Mobile has been no stranger to screw-ups, but we’d always just figured that their UK counterparts were stand-up guys. After [...]

  • http://www.ctobuzz.com/?p=132 CtoBuzz.com » T-Mobile UK employees caught peddling personal data

    [...] in the states, T-Mobile has been no stranger to screw-ups, but we’d always just figured that their UK counterparts were stand-up guys. After [...]

  • http://www.ctobuzz.com/?p=129 CtoBuzz.com » T-Mobile starts selling Sidekicks again, drops prices

    [...] problems? What data problems? Oh right, those data problems. Well, its been about a month so, like with any sort of break up or [...]

  • http://www.sparwasserhq.org/t-mobile-uk-employees-caught-peddling-personal-data/2009/11/17/ Gadget Talks » Blog Archive » T-Mobile UK employees caught peddling personal data

    [...] in the states, T-Ambulant has antediluvian no foreigner to bring pressure to bear on-ups, but we’d every time fair figured that their UK counterparts [...]

  • http://blogs.gartner.com/daryl_plummer/2009/11/24/in-the-cloud-the-unthinkable-is-just-mission-difficult-not-mission-impossible/ In the Cloud, the Unthinkable is Just Mission Difficult, Not Mission Impossible

    [...] some providers will disappear with all our stuff or will lose it to bad processes (e.g. T-Mobile Sidekick) or something but those types will either correct their failures or be weeded out over a short [...]

  • http://blogs.gartner.com/daryl_plummer/2009/11/24/in-the-cloud-the-unthinkable-is-just-mission-difficult-not-mission-impossible/ In the Cloud, the Unthinkable is Just Mission Difficult, Not Mission Impossible

    [...] some providers will disappear with all our stuff or will lose it to bad processes (e.g. T-Mobile Sidekick) or something but those types will either correct their failures or be weeded out over a short [...]

  • Matthew

    WOW your stupid. ive bin with t-mobile forever and never had a prob.
    how you ask? cuz i have a G1 and dident bother to follow a fad called sidekic. You buy a crap phone and you blame the servise provider.. haha Loser

  • Matthew

    MS/ Danger is to blame for all of it.
    I wouldent blame t-mobile for it. But they should give some encentives to keeping a sidekick after all this

  • http://enterprise.shef.ac.uk/2009/12/the-importance-of-backing-up The Importance of Backing Up « University of Sheffield Enterprise

    [...] enough to catch the problem with enough time so as not to lose anything, but sometimes companies aren’t so [...]

  • http://internettechnologieblog.blogspot.com/2009/12/microsoft-verliert-personliche-daten.html Internet technologie: Microsoft verliert persönliche Daten der Tausende von Benutzern des Sidekick in Vereinigten Staaten

    [...] Unternehmen angeschafftem verwalteten Servern 2008 von Microsoft, der das Terminal herstellt). Also, hat T-Mobile informiert, dass wegen eines Irrtumes in den Servern Online der Kunden alle persönlichen gespeicherten Daten [...]

  • http://www.brentozar.com/archive/2009/12/designing-a-recovery-strategy-for-stackoverflow/ Designing a Recovery Strategy for StackOverflow | Brent Ozar – Too Much Information

    [...] be forced to spend a fortune to get back in business.  If you’re owned by Microsoft and you lose all Sidekick customer contact data, you pour money and manpower into getting it back.  Other companies like Magnolia and [...]

  • http://sqlblog.com/blogs/jonathan_kehayias/archive/2009/12/23/a-major-lesson-to-learn-from-2009-don-t-just-backup-test-recovery.aspx The Rambling DBA: Jonathan Kehayias : A Major Lesson to Learn from 2009 – Don’t Just Backup, Test Recovery

    [...] T-Mobile Sidekick Disaster: Danger’s Servers Crashed, And They Don’t Have A Backup [...]

  • http://www.mylesnoton.com/blog/?p=1139 Cloud Backup with Backupify | Myles Noton – Blog

    [...] it almost impossible to get your data back – something that is even more important since the T-Mobile / Microsoft Sidekick fiasco a while [...]

  • http://www.hostingdiscussion.com/blog/2010/01/22/taking-the-census-to-the-clouds/ Web Hosting News | Taking the census to the clouds

    [...] cloud computing can go if not attended to properly. Sidekick cell phone users suffering from the massive data loss of Danger cloud servers could be considered the consummate example of just how wrong things can [...]

  • http://www.hubspan.com/cloud-security/top-6-questions-every-cio-should-ask-a-cloud-vendor Top 6 Questions Every CIO Should Ask a Cloud Vendor – Hubspan

    [...] an interview with Network World’s Panorama podcast. The interview took place in the wake of the T-Mobile/Danger debacle back in October.SHARETHIS.addEntry({ title: "Top 6 Questions Every CIO Should Ask a Cloud Vendor", [...]

  • http://www.rudolfweb.de/2010/04/was-ist-eigentlich-die-cloud/ Was ist eigentlich: Die Cloud? | Rudolfweb

    [...] in Kalifornien zu verwalten, wird demnächst auch noch mehr auf diesen Rechnern machen können. Das T-Mobile Sidekick Disaster zeigt jedoch: ein lokales Backup kann nicht [...]

  • Cris

    There's plenty of problems with the iphone. The sidekick is not a "crap phone". Quit being a brainwashed consumer.

  • http://www.itcomputerservers.com Servers

    play nice, Amy.

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