Andreessen in realtime

Saturday, February 21st, 2009

Steve Gillmor is a technology commentator, editor, and producer in the enterprise technology space. He is Head of Technical Media Strategy at salesforce.com and a TechCrunch contributing editor. Gillmor previously worked with leading musical artists including Paul Butterfield, David Sanborn, and members of The Band after an early career as a record producer and filmmaker with Columbia Records’ Firesign Theatre.... → Learn More

andreessenAt a time when many people are saying innovation is dead along with the economy as we knew it, I can’t help but feel the hot breath of a surge in the power of the network. As Marc Andreessen reminds in his fascinating conversation with Charlie Rose, the Internet didn’t take off until the browser. The infrastructure was in place for some time already, but when the browser appeared, the TV generation sat up and took notice.

Now we’re at the threshold of the realtime moment, and history seems to be repeating itself. For some of us, the advent of a reasonably realtime message bus over public networks has changed something about the existing infrastructure in ways that are not yet important to a broad section of Internet dwellers. The numbers are adding up — 175 million Facebook users, tens of thousands of instant Twitter followers, constant texting and video chats among the teenage crowd — a semi-secret economy of interactive media that is sucking the chewy chocolate center out of the one-way broadcast sector.

The standard attack on realtime is that it is the new crack. We’re all addicted to our devices, to the flow of alerts, messages, and bite-sized information chunks. We no longer have time for blog posts, refreshing our Twitter streams for pointers to what our friends think is important. It’s the revenge of the short attention span brought on by 30-second television ads — the myth of multi-tasking spread across a sea of factoids that Nick Carr fears will destroy scholarship and ultimately thinking.

Of course this is true and also completely irrelevant. My daughter told her mother today that her boyfriend was spending too much time on IM and video-chat, and not enough on getting his homework done. She actually said these words: “I told him you have to get away from the computer sometimes, turn it off, give yourself time to think.” This is the same daughter who will give up anything – makeup, TV, food — just as long as I don’t take her computer or iPhone away.

So realtime is the new crack, and even the naivest of our culture realizes it can eat our brains. But does that mean we will stop moving faster and faster? No. Does that mean we will give up our blackberries when we become president? No. Then what will happen to us?

The browser brought us an explosion of Web pages, produced first by professionals, then by small business owners, and finally, with blogs, by anybody. The struggle became one of time and location; RSS and search to the rescue. The time from idea to publish to consumption approached realtime.

The devices then took charge, widening the amount of time to consume the impossible flow. The Blackberry expanded work to all hours. The iPhone blurred the distinction between work and play. Twitter blurred personal and public into a single stream of updates. Facebook blurred real and virtual friendships. That’s where we are now.

Realtime has to be managed. The first tools in any transformative period are hard coded to the sensibilities of the radicals, the pioneers on the front lines. Scoble may appear ridiculous in his zeal for the extremes of the social media envelope, but his calculation is much more conservative than you might think at first glance. By opening himself to the tyranny of the crowd, he connects with that reality we each face.

The difference between 150 friends in our address book and 5,000 in Facebook is vanishingly small: we don’t have time for either. Trying to capture the nuances of friendship in a social media context is no more difficult than in high school, or easier. This is our life’s work, learning how to balance our needs with those of those we care about.

Once we reach a certain point in the shift, the tools begin to be more malleable as technologists surrender some control in search of viral spread. Bookmarks in the early browsers led to del.icio.us, Yahoo’s index to Digg, banner ads to page rank. The two-way quality of the network encouraged the viral spread of sharing.

Swallowed as we are in this vortex of change, it’s hard to see where the tools are going. Realtime has to draw on the human elements to ease the transition, harness the power, quiet the fear. The anger about Twitter mania, the reluctance to delve into the civil rights aspects of the quarantining of our data, the fratricide going on between bloggers and journalists — all these are symptoms of the power of this struggle for our minds.

Andreessen is one good reason why we’ll work our way through this. He talks impossibly fast, probably only a small fraction of the speed at which he thinks. Listening to him is an exciting and sometimes daunting experience, like listening to The Dark SIde of the Moon at 78 rpm.

Charlie Rose:
So to play offense for a newspaper for you means what?

Marc Andreessen:
Oh, you got to kill the print edition.

Charlie Rose:
You would stop the presses tomorrow?

Marc Andreessen:
You have to kill it.

Charlie Rose:
Stop the presses tomorrow.

Marc Andreessen:
You have to kill it.

Charlie Rose:
Stop the presses tomorrow.

Marc Andreessen:
Stop the presses tomorrow. I’ll tell you what. The stocks would go up. Look at what’s happened to the stocks. This investors are through this. The investors are through the transition. You talk to any smart investor who controls any amount of money, he will tell you that the game is up. Like it’s completely over. And so the investors have completely written off the print operations. There is no value in these stock prices attributable to print anymore at all. It’s gone.

Charlie Rose:
So you would recommend to the owners of the New York Times, stop printing papers.

Marc Andreessen:
Yeah, absolutely. You have to. You have to –

Charlie Rose:
And take your losses –

Marc Andreessen:
Yeah. You have to.

Charlie Rose:
Like a courageous person.

Marc Andreessen:
Chronic pain? Acute pain. How many years — music industry, same thing. How many years of chronic pain do you want to take to avoid taking a year of acute pain?

My 8 year old daughter doesn’t read the newspaper off or online, but I found her showing my wife new emoticons in Gchat today. Now she’s on a speakerphone talking with a friend while playing a game over the Net. I rarely see or talk with friends from high school or earlier, but what’s to prevent these virtual friendships from continuing to flourish for a lifetime? What are the consequences of the lowering of the barriers of space and time? We’re finding out, in realtime.

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  • http://www.sexipedia.com Chris

    First!

  • http://www.sexipedia.com Chris

    First!

  • http://soeet.com Chris

    One thing that’s been lost in the transition of business from offline to online is supply and demand.

    Investors in online ventures seem to think they can create demand where there was none previously and they have failed in an epic fashion.

    If there is no demand, you should not supply. That will be the next revolution in the web.

  • http://soeet.com Chris

    One thing that’s been lost in the transition of business from offline to online is supply and demand.

    Investors in online ventures seem to think they can create demand where there was none previously and they have failed in an epic fashion.

    If there is no demand, you should not supply. That will be the next revolution in the web.

  • http://soeet.com Chris

    and just because there’s a demand for something people aren’t willing to pay for, you can’t equate that to supply as we’ve found out with these horrible CPM numbers. Clickthrough self serve advertising is *NOT* viable. Big clients are *not* readily available any longer.

  • http://soeet.com Chris

    and just because there’s a demand for something people aren’t willing to pay for, you can’t equate that to supply as we’ve found out with these horrible CPM numbers. Clickthrough self serve advertising is *NOT* viable. Big clients are *not* readily available any longer.

  • Steve Gillmor

    Few thought the browser would be successful as a platform for “real” work.

  • Steve Gillmor

    Few thought the browser would be successful as a platform for “real” work.

  • EH

    I’m pretty sure the new crack is still the same old crack.

  • EH

    I’m pretty sure the new crack is still the same old crack.

  • http://www.cloudoutloud.tv/2009/02/charlie-rose-youtube-channel/ MIchelle McCormack

    Wow, that’s some long blog post. I just posted the video, and an excerpt at that. ADD. Wow.

  • http://www.cloudoutloud.tv/2009/02/charlie-rose-youtube-channel/ MIchelle McCormack

    Wow, that’s some long blog post. I just posted the video, and an excerpt at that. ADD. Wow.

  • bs meter

    is it me but does this Andreessen guy look like a Cone Head from SNL?

  • bs meter

    is it me but does this Andreessen guy look like a Cone Head from SNL?

  • http://soeet.com Chris

    I spent the morning with Christopher Blizzard

    Speaking of those “Few”.

    But, as long as we’re talking about it, Microsoft used their Windows monopoly to push IE and ActiveX.

    Had they not done that it may not have evolved the same way and another desktop networking technology on the client and server may have taken precedence.

    usdoj.gov/atr/cases/ms_exhibits.htm

    You can read through the lengthy DOJ exibits against Microsoft which detail their master plan to clone and superset netscape and ram IE down everyone in the entire world’s throat.

    No sir, it was no accident.

  • http://soeet.com Chris

    I spent the morning with Christopher Blizzard

    Speaking of those “Few”.

    But, as long as we’re talking about it, Microsoft used their Windows monopoly to push IE and ActiveX.

    Had they not done that it may not have evolved the same way and another desktop networking technology on the client and server may have taken precedence.

    usdoj.gov/atr/cases/ms_exhibits.htm

    You can read through the lengthy DOJ exibits against Microsoft which detail their master plan to clone and superset netscape and ram IE down everyone in the entire world’s throat.

    No sir, it was no accident.

  • http://soeet.com Chris

    Oh, Blizzard basically said this morning that Firefox 3.1 is adding video and audio DOM objects along with application side resource bundles, and that they abstracted firefox.exe process threading all the way to the javascript. Javascript code in firefox 3.1 can now launch real worker threads of execution. XSS is now allowed in certain cases.

    Just a recap for those of you not in Socal. For those that are I will be there again tomorrow wearing my Guiness hat. :)

  • http://soeet.com Chris

    Oh, Blizzard basically said this morning that Firefox 3.1 is adding video and audio DOM objects along with application side resource bundles, and that they abstracted firefox.exe process threading all the way to the javascript. Javascript code in firefox 3.1 can now launch real worker threads of execution. XSS is now allowed in certain cases.

    Just a recap for those of you not in Socal. For those that are I will be there again tomorrow wearing my Guiness hat. :)

  • http://blog.feedly.com Edwin Khodabakchian

    Steve. The concept you are talking about is real. I think that the problem is the term real-time. Real-time sounds too intrusive/Instant messaging. I have heard Dave McClure use the term the “now web”. I am not sure if that is the right term but it seems more positive than “real-time”.

  • http://blog.feedly.com Edwin Khodabakchian

    Steve. The concept you are talking about is real. I think that the problem is the term real-time. Real-time sounds too intrusive/Instant messaging. I have heard Dave McClure use the term the “now web”. I am not sure if that is the right term but it seems more positive than “real-time”.

  • bob

    Dude got chunky again too.

  • bob

    Dude got chunky again too.

  • hatmike
  • hatmike
  • Steve Gillmor

    realtime works just fine for me. positively 4th street

  • Steve Gillmor

    realtime works just fine for me. positively 4th street

  • http://blog.feedly.com Edwin Khodabakchian

    Alright then! Promise to not be bitter when a marketing type person finds a fancy name for it :-)

  • http://blog.feedly.com Edwin Khodabakchian

    Alright then! Promise to not be bitter when a marketing type person finds a fancy name for it :-)

  • Steve Gillmor

    I promise

  • Steve Gillmor

    I promise

  • http://soeet.com Chris

    I must be on crack, I could have sworn Edwin misspelled bitter as biter. I remember saying what the f*ck while reading his comment.

    Are you guys spell checking and correcting people’s comments now?

  • http://soeet.com Chris

    I must be on crack, I could have sworn Edwin misspelled bitter as biter. I remember saying what the f*ck while reading his comment.

    Are you guys spell checking and correcting people’s comments now?

  • Steve Gillmor

    yes

  • Steve Gillmor

    yes

  • pwb

    The NYT shutting down its printing presses strikes me as a bad idea. There are only 3 or 4 major papers that make sense in print and the NYT is one of them. Smaller, big cities could use a paper that gets a cores set of news form the NYT and then adds all the local flavor. It’s silly for every paper to have a reporter in Iraq or at the Oscars.

  • pwb

    The NYT shutting down its printing presses strikes me as a bad idea. There are only 3 or 4 major papers that make sense in print and the NYT is one of them. Smaller, big cities could use a paper that gets a cores set of news form the NYT and then adds all the local flavor. It’s silly for every paper to have a reporter in Iraq or at the Oscars.

  • http://blog.feedly.com Edwin Khodabakchian

    Thanks Steve.

  • http://blog.feedly.com Edwin Khodabakchian

    Thanks Steve.

  • http://blog.feedly.com Edwin Khodabakchian

    @pwb Marc is not talking about shutting down NYT. He is pressing for transform it into an organization which can survive in the online ecosystem.

  • http://blog.feedly.com Edwin Khodabakchian

    @pwb Marc is not talking about shutting down NYT. He is pressing for transform it into an organization which can survive in the online ecosystem.

  • jack

    Yep… Just check how many sites like the one I’ve put
    In the link above are keeping you updated on all
    The hot topics you have today on twitter and digg.

  • jack

    Yep… Just check how many sites like the one I’ve put
    In the link above are keeping you updated on all
    The hot topics you have today on twitter and digg.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason_Fitzpatrick/843368138 Jason Fitzpatrick

    great interview.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason_Fitzpatrick/843368138 Jason Fitzpatrick

    great interview.

  • Boredom versus Anger

    Reading Steve Gillmor engenders a realtime war in the chewy chocolate center of my psyche between boredom at the utter emptiness of meaningful content and anger at his willful butchering of the English language. The hot breath of a surge in the network of my neocortex tells me that tonight, anger has won.

  • Boredom versus Anger

    Reading Steve Gillmor engenders a realtime war in the chewy chocolate center of my psyche between boredom at the utter emptiness of meaningful content and anger at his willful butchering of the English language. The hot breath of a surge in the network of my neocortex tells me that tonight, anger has won.

  • http://www.twitter.com/kriscobbaert k

    I’m just wondering do any of you use Twitter as a way to bookmark links. I haven’t made the switch 100% but I can see it coming. Or is that just me?

    Mr Andreessen’s interview was very good. Definitely not a waste of my time.

  • http://www.twitter.com/kriscobbaert k

    I’m just wondering do any of you use Twitter as a way to bookmark links. I haven’t made the switch 100% but I can see it coming. Or is that just me?

    Mr Andreessen’s interview was very good. Definitely not a waste of my time.

  • Prokofy Neva

    >For some of us, the advent of a reasonably realtime message bus over public networks has changed something about the existing infrastructure

    when you talk like this, Steve, you give away the store. You still talk about a bus somehow moving in one direction carrying a message, only now you hope it’s *you* driving the bus or dropping the message in it instead of some central broadcaster like Charlie Rose. But you’re still not getting just how interactive it is.

  • Prokofy Neva

    >For some of us, the advent of a reasonably realtime message bus over public networks has changed something about the existing infrastructure

    when you talk like this, Steve, you give away the store. You still talk about a bus somehow moving in one direction carrying a message, only now you hope it’s *you* driving the bus or dropping the message in it instead of some central broadcaster like Charlie Rose. But you’re still not getting just how interactive it is.

  • http://www.softdoska.ru Erick

    Good interview! thx u :-)

  • http://www.softdoska.ru Erick

    Good interview! thx u :-)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Francine_Hardaway/510878646 Francine Hardaway

    “Realtime has to be managed… Scoble may appear ridiculous in his zeal for the extremes of the social media envelope, but..by opening himself to the tyranny of the crowd, he connects with that reality we each face.

    The difference between 150 friends in our address book and 5,000 in Facebook is vanishingly small: we don’t have time for either. This is our life’s work, learning how to balance our needs with those of those we care about.?

    The artists always know this first. Visual art manages the flow by putting a frame around “reality,” in space. Novels and poems put frames around “reality” in time. That’s how real time becomes intelligible and then manageable.

    Future social media tools will be like an art form.

    And I feel like Cliff Gerrish right now:-)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Francine_Hardaway/510878646 Francine Hardaway

    “Realtime has to be managed… Scoble may appear ridiculous in his zeal for the extremes of the social media envelope, but..by opening himself to the tyranny of the crowd, he connects with that reality we each face.

    The difference between 150 friends in our address book and 5,000 in Facebook is vanishingly small: we don’t have time for either. This is our life’s work, learning how to balance our needs with those of those we care about.?

    The artists always know this first. Visual art manages the flow by putting a frame around “reality,” in space. Novels and poems put frames around “reality” in time. That’s how real time becomes intelligible and then manageable.

    Future social media tools will be like an art form.

    And I feel like Cliff Gerrish right now:-)

  • http://www.casinosinwashington.net casinosinwashington

    thanks for the interview

  • http://www.casinosinwashington.net casinosinwashington

    thanks for the interview

  • the new boss

    You have to kill it.

  • the new boss

    You have to kill it.

  • the new boss

    Internet Explorer is the worst product debacle since New Coke.

  • the new boss

    Internet Explorer is the worst product debacle since New Coke.

  • http://www.richswier.com Rich Swier

    Is it me, or is Marc starting to look like Dr.Evil?

  • http://www.richswier.com Rich Swier

    Is it me, or is Marc starting to look like Dr.Evil?

  • the new boss

    Oh, please. The NYT is garbage. Their coverage has been going downhill for over a decade. And their credibility has been shot. If you don’t know this already, you’re not paying attention.

  • the new boss

    Oh, please. The NYT is garbage. Their coverage has been going downhill for over a decade. And their credibility has been shot. If you don’t know this already, you’re not paying attention.

  • http://mediaoutrage.com/2009/02/22/whats-happening-to-us/ What’s Happening to us? « Media Outrage

    [...] YouTube, MySpace, FaceBook, Twitter and Wikipedia are mainstays in our (The World) browsers. Steve Gillmor of TechCrunch wrote an interesting piece on where the technology revolution is going and how it has affected our lives. Read it here. [...]

  • http://mediaoutrage.com/2009/02/22/whats-happening-to-us/ What’s Happening to us? « Media Outrage

    [...] YouTube, MySpace, FaceBook, Twitter and Wikipedia are mainstays in our (The World) browsers. Steve Gillmor of TechCrunch wrote an interesting piece on where the technology revolution is going and how it has affected our lives. Read it here. [...]

  • http://www.adexchanger.com Joe Fredericks

    Dr. Evil or Mr. Clean.

    Thanks for pointing out the interview, Steve.

  • http://www.adexchanger.com Joe Fredericks

    Dr. Evil or Mr. Clean.

    Thanks for pointing out the interview, Steve.

  • Moe Glitz

    The trouble with all of today’s newspapers is that they contain ‘Yesterday’s News’.
    So in this new Web era of ‘Real Time’ Social Media, the need for people to purchase a daily newspaper is slowly dying.

    A few years ago I use to always purchase The Times newspapers in London. But due to a number of factors, especially the pricing of The Sunday Times – I have decided not to buy either one anymore.
    I can now read particular articles from The Times, as well as read other favs like Business Week, Wired and Vanity Fair all Online.

    So what Marc Andreessen says about the New York Times is 100% right.
    In printed Media, no matter how big a brand name you have – the number of copies that you need to sell to make a decent profit, will decline year by year, until you go deep into the Red.

    Unless a huge Printed Media Brand Name is not owned by one of the few major Broadcasting Networks, the real value of Printed Media indepentents will hit rock bottom.
    Whilst there is still some market value with a large number of Printed Media Indies, they should be courting the big Media Companies, with the ‘For Sale’ Signs.

    Eventually even The Times newspapers will lose large readerships, until they may only decide to publish a limited copy of their Daily Printed Editions.
    In the future The Times will be integrated within The Sky and Fox News Broadcasting Networks and become a key component in reporting and delivering Realtime Social Media both Online and on TV.

    Of course there will always be a demand for Printed Media. But unless the owners and editors of these Newspapers and Magazines don’t adapt to these changes in Realtime Social Media, then they will have to stop the presses.

  • Moe Glitz

    The trouble with all of today’s newspapers is that they contain ‘Yesterday’s News’.
    So in this new Web era of ‘Real Time’ Social Media, the need for people to purchase a daily newspaper is slowly dying.

    A few years ago I use to always purchase The Times newspapers in London. But due to a number of factors, especially the pricing of The Sunday Times – I have decided not to buy either one anymore.
    I can now read particular articles from The Times, as well as read other favs like Business Week, Wired and Vanity Fair all Online.

    So what Marc Andreessen says about the New York Times is 100% right.
    In printed Media, no matter how big a brand name you have – the number of copies that you need to sell to make a decent profit, will decline year by year, until you go deep into the Red.

    Unless a huge Printed Media Brand Name is not owned by one of the few major Broadcasting Networks, the real value of Printed Media indepentents will hit rock bottom.
    Whilst there is still some market value with a large number of Printed Media Indies, they should be courting the big Media Companies, with the ‘For Sale’ Signs.

    Eventually even The Times newspapers will lose large readerships, until they may only decide to publish a limited copy of their Daily Printed Editions.
    In the future The Times will be integrated within The Sky and Fox News Broadcasting Networks and become a key component in reporting and delivering Realtime Social Media both Online and on TV.

    Of course there will always be a demand for Printed Media. But unless the owners and editors of these Newspapers and Magazines don’t adapt to these changes in Realtime Social Media, then they will have to stop the presses.

  • Steve Dean

    Once all of the print media goes away, how long will the online versions be able to stay profitable?

    And how many sites (tech crunch included) consists of links to media sites and comments by users? Once the media sites go away, how long will these sites remain?

  • Steve Dean

    Once all of the print media goes away, how long will the online versions be able to stay profitable?

    And how many sites (tech crunch included) consists of links to media sites and comments by users? Once the media sites go away, how long will these sites remain?

  • http://polizeros.com Bob Morris

    What’s “78 rpm”, grandpa?

    Just read that in people in Kenya are just now using cell phones to make payments, buy things. The interface didn’t need to be designed to mimic the experience of browsing the web with a larger monitor because none of them ever had.

  • http://polizeros.com Bob Morris

    What’s “78 rpm”, grandpa?

    Just read that in people in Kenya are just now using cell phones to make payments, buy things. The interface didn’t need to be designed to mimic the experience of browsing the web with a larger monitor because none of them ever had.

  • http://www.drumsnwhistles.com Karoli

    Managed, yes, assuming one can actually get a real time stream. As I remarked on FriendFeed just a bit ago, a real time stream has value if there is a) information; or b) conversation. When the handle to the faucet is turned off, either by entities or individuals, there is neither, and the value disappears.

    It happens all the time, with Twitter, in real life, and online.

    Your question about virtual friendships is an interesting one, since those faucets can be switched on and off at will, as I and I’m sure your daughter has discovered. When that happens, the rush of real time become just another form of personal rejection.

    The real-time stream is a myth until the barriers fall away, at which time it will indeed have to be managed, and a new set of skills acquired to cope with the overload and the isolation.

  • http://www.drumsnwhistles.com Karoli

    Managed, yes, assuming one can actually get a real time stream. As I remarked on FriendFeed just a bit ago, a real time stream has value if there is a) information; or b) conversation. When the handle to the faucet is turned off, either by entities or individuals, there is neither, and the value disappears.

    It happens all the time, with Twitter, in real life, and online.

    Your question about virtual friendships is an interesting one, since those faucets can be switched on and off at will, as I and I’m sure your daughter has discovered. When that happens, the rush of real time become just another form of personal rejection.

    The real-time stream is a myth until the barriers fall away, at which time it will indeed have to be managed, and a new set of skills acquired to cope with the overload and the isolation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter_Fleck/503422979 Peter Fleck

    Great post, Steve, and thanks for the link to the Rose interview. I’ll suggest a companion piece, the 5,000 Days TED presentation by Kevin Kelley.
    http://is.gd/18sN

    5,000 days ago, we didn’t predict what’s happening today. No reason to think we are any closer to predicting the next 5,000 days.

    I really like Andreeson’s chronic/acute pain reference. The music industry in particular seems to enjoy mega-doses of chronic pain without realizing they will eventually end up at the same place only poorer in the end.

    As we continue to spread broadband across all cultures and classes, the Internet itself will shift radically just like it shifted not quite so radically when AOL decided to open its gates and let all their walled garden denizens roam the web.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter_Fleck/503422979 Peter Fleck

    Great post, Steve, and thanks for the link to the Rose interview. I’ll suggest a companion piece, the 5,000 Days TED presentation by Kevin Kelley.
    http://is.gd/18sN

    5,000 days ago, we didn’t predict what’s happening today. No reason to think we are any closer to predicting the next 5,000 days.

    I really like Andreeson’s chronic/acute pain reference. The music industry in particular seems to enjoy mega-doses of chronic pain without realizing they will eventually end up at the same place only poorer in the end.

    As we continue to spread broadband across all cultures and classes, the Internet itself will shift radically just like it shifted not quite so radically when AOL decided to open its gates and let all their walled garden denizens roam the web.

  • http://geekandpoke.typepad.com/geekandpoke/2009/02/before-realtime-was-born.html Geek And Poke

    Before Real-Time Was Born…

    We are “at the threshold of the realtime moment” says Steve Gillmor (see also Nicholas Carr)…….

  • http://geekandpoke.typepad.com/geekandpoke/2009/02/before-realtime-was-born.html Geek And Poke

    Before Real-Time Was Born…

    We are “at the threshold of the realtime moment” says Steve Gillmor (see also Nicholas Carr)…….

  • Rick James

    Cocaine is a helluva drug.

  • Rick James

    Cocaine is a helluva drug.

  • TCCritic

    Steve Gillmor

    I love your posts. Please write more. And tell Mike he can come back too.

  • TCCritic

    Steve Gillmor

    I love your posts. Please write more. And tell Mike he can come back too.

  • james

    I would give away the newspaper for free and sell more advertising of local businesses.

  • james

    I would give away the newspaper for free and sell more advertising of local businesses.

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  • http://sqij.com Sqij

    SNAP! Very conically-challenged.

  • http://sqij.com Sqij

    SNAP! Very conically-challenged.

  • http://sventure.blogspot.com SG

    It is important to actually understand the real business behind a momentum. A better view is expected out of Marc. Just because tens of millions are using the free service does not mean it is am important and integral part of people’s lives.
    Facebook for case-n-point. I could money that Facebook does not have much more than more ads as their best guess revenue build up strategy. How many more ads and how more revenue will it bring? Times have changed. Good and smart people from Facebook are running away by the dozens as they have realized that the company does not and have a better revenue strategy. Twitter had the same problem today that it had day one; where and how will revenue show up, apart from ads. Ning does web pages for people (social networks). Social networking has failed miserably in developing into business overall. Some might have lucky wins for the short term (Bebo, StumbleUpon, etc) but look at them now?
    Get a reality check and admit the problems and look for different avenues of innovation that actually has needs in the market, social front or business needs.

    Ciao

  • http://sventure.blogspot.com SG

    It is important to actually understand the real business behind a momentum. A better view is expected out of Marc. Just because tens of millions are using the free service does not mean it is am important and integral part of people’s lives.
    Facebook for case-n-point. I could money that Facebook does not have much more than more ads as their best guess revenue build up strategy. How many more ads and how more revenue will it bring? Times have changed. Good and smart people from Facebook are running away by the dozens as they have realized that the company does not and have a better revenue strategy. Twitter had the same problem today that it had day one; where and how will revenue show up, apart from ads. Ning does web pages for people (social networks). Social networking has failed miserably in developing into business overall. Some might have lucky wins for the short term (Bebo, StumbleUpon, etc) but look at them now?
    Get a reality check and admit the problems and look for different avenues of innovation that actually has needs in the market, social front or business needs.

    Ciao

  • mfba

    the new boss = the same old idiot

  • mfba

    the new boss = the same old idiot

  • http://www.drtweets.com Dr Tweets

    Andreessen absolutely correct. And there’s hugeness in realtime!

  • http://www.drtweets.com Dr Tweets

    Andreessen absolutely correct. And there’s hugeness in realtime!

  • Special K

    No. And, maybe so.

  • Special K

    No. And, maybe so.

  • http://www.theequitykicker.com/2009/02/22/the-potential-in-realtime/ The potential in realtime | The Equity Kicker

    [...] to say for sure, but if you are a naysayer on realtime read these next points from Steve’s post very carefully: The standard attack on realtime is that it is the new crack. We’re all addicted [...]

  • http://www.theequitykicker.com/2009/02/22/the-potential-in-realtime/ The potential in realtime | The Equity Kicker

    [...] to say for sure, but if you are a naysayer on realtime read these next points from Steve’s post very carefully: The standard attack on realtime is that it is the new crack. We’re all addicted [...]

  • http://www.24100.net/2009/02/interview-with-marc-andreessen/ Interview with Marc Andreessen | THE NEW 24100.NET

    [...] a great talk about the “realtime century”. Very motivating and inspiring. TechCrunchIT has a good related post for the ones who are not yet seeing the disruptive [...]

  • http://www.24100.net/2009/02/interview-with-marc-andreessen/ Interview with Marc Andreessen | THE NEW 24100.NET

    [...] a great talk about the “realtime century”. Very motivating and inspiring. TechCrunchIT has a good related post for the ones who are not yet seeing the disruptive [...]

  • http://www.netpaths.net/blog CVOS man

    Congratulations steve, this post is 100% better than your first.

  • http://www.netpaths.net/blog CVOS man

    Congratulations steve, this post is 100% better than your first.

  • http://financegeek.com/the-potential-in-realtime/ Finance Geek » The potential in realtime

    [...] to say for sure, but if you are a naysayer on realtime read these next points from Steve’s post very carefully: The standard attack on realtime is that it is the new crack. We’re all addicted [...]

  • http://financegeek.com/the-potential-in-realtime/ Finance Geek » The potential in realtime

    [...] to say for sure, but if you are a naysayer on realtime read these next points from Steve’s post very carefully: The standard attack on realtime is that it is the new crack. We’re all addicted [...]

  • http://www.fastforwardblog.com/2009/02/27/opportunity-awaits-hop-on-the-real-time-message-bus/ The FASTForward Blog » Opportunity Awaits: Hop on the ‘Real-Time Message Bus’: Enterprise 2.0 Blog: News, Coverage, and Commentary

    [...] Steve Gillmor saw Web entrepreneur/visionary Marc Andreessen on a recent episode of The Charlie Rose Show, and relates how Andreessen is bullish on the power of the new networking reality that is now taking shape: “At a time when many people are saying innovation is dead along with the economy as we knew it, I can’t help but feel the hot breath of a surge in the power of the network. As Marc Andreessen reminds in his fascinating conversation with Charlie Rose, the Internet didn’t take off until the browser. The infrastructure was in place for some time already, but when the browser appeared, the TV generation sat up and took notice. [...]

  • http://www.fastforwardblog.com/2009/02/27/opportunity-awaits-hop-on-the-real-time-message-bus/ The FASTForward Blog » Opportunity Awaits: Hop on the ‘Real-Time Message Bus’: Enterprise 2.0 Blog: News, Coverage, and Commentary

    [...] Steve Gillmor saw Web entrepreneur/visionary Marc Andreessen on a recent episode of The Charlie Rose Show, and relates how Andreessen is bullish on the power of the new networking reality that is now taking shape: “At a time when many people are saying innovation is dead along with the economy as we knew it, I can’t help but feel the hot breath of a surge in the power of the network. As Marc Andreessen reminds in his fascinating conversation with Charlie Rose, the Internet didn’t take off until the browser. The infrastructure was in place for some time already, but when the browser appeared, the TV generation sat up and took notice. [...]

  • Dmitry

    Very weak analysis and absolutely devoid of any serious thoughts.

  • Dmitry

    Very weak analysis and absolutely devoid of any serious thoughts.

  • http://community.qualitylogic.com/blogs/emerging/archive/2009/02/28/open-source-halo-kindle-magic-ballmer-wisdom-altlantis-found-and-more-tidbits.aspx Open Source Halo, Kindle Magic, Ballmer Wisdom, Altlantis Found, and more tidbits – Emerging Tech Testing Blog -

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  • http://community.qualitylogic.com/blogs/emerging/archive/2009/02/28/open-source-halo-kindle-magic-ballmer-wisdom-altlantis-found-and-more-tidbits.aspx Open Source Halo, Kindle Magic, Ballmer Wisdom, Altlantis Found, and more tidbits – Emerging Tech Testing Blog -

    [...] on the recession from Steve Ballmer at Microsoft(act like RCA to survive!), Marc Andreessen on the death of print media, and  on empowering employees from an undercover reporter working at of all [...]

  • http://imnotbored.net/comics/?p=80 Before Real-Time Was Born « imnotbored.net

    [...] are "at the threshold of the realtime moment" says Steve Gillmor (see also Nicholas [...]

  • http://imnotbored.net/comics/?p=80 Before Real-Time Was Born « imnotbored.net

    [...] are "at the threshold of the realtime moment" says Steve Gillmor (see also Nicholas [...]

  • http://www.proxynetworks.com Remote Desktop Software

    I honestly think Andreessen sounds like a crazy man. I do love my realtime crack (twitter, particularly), but I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that stopping the presses on newspapers is the magic bullet that will bring us into the next phase. Stop printing for newsstands… ok. But I think there will always be a place for the newspaper subscriber, the thump of paper on your front walk. We may lose casual newsprint buyers, but let’s change the world in baby steps, shall we?

  • http://www.proxynetworks.com Remote Desktop Software

    I honestly think Andreessen sounds like a crazy man. I do love my realtime crack (twitter, particularly), but I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that stopping the presses on newspapers is the magic bullet that will bring us into the next phase. Stop printing for newsstands… ok. But I think there will always be a place for the newspaper subscriber, the thump of paper on your front walk. We may lose casual newsprint buyers, but let’s change the world in baby steps, shall we?

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