Web 2.0 This Week (July 10 – 16)

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The main Web 2.0 news this week focused on Technorati (is it dyin or is it rockin?) and the release of Atom 1.0. Lots of other random and interesting stuff as well, including important chia-pet news.

Weekly Summary:

1. Technorati is Dead! Long Live Technorati!

Technorati has dominated web 2.0 news this week. Posts come at it from three different but related angles:

Technorati’s traffic has lately been dominating the competition, and they are getting a lot of press as well . See no. 5 from last week’s wrapup. Richard MacManus again noted Technorati’s ascension in a post this week called “Technorati for President“, and cited a recent Wired Magazine article on them that barely mentioned that they have any competition. Richard writes “You’ve got to hand it to Technorati, they sure know how to get media and blog attention. A recent Wired article makes the extraordinary claim that Technorati is “a public utility on a global scale”. With no mention whatsoever of other blog search engines, Wired compares Technorati to Google…”

Jason Calcanis launches his “Off with their Head” campaign against Technorati (and other blog search engines) . See Jason’s cry for Google and Yahoo to launch blog search engines here and follow up here. See Blog Herald’s counter-point here.

Discussion over the overall demise of Technorati, its index and its interface. Doc Searls gives a massive overview here.

More Points of View:
Dave Sifry, Syntagma, Frank Gruber, BusinessWeek, Blog Herald, ChrisWere.com, WeBreakStuff, Jeremy Wright, Jeremy Wright #2, Newest Industry, Hans on Experience, Scoble, David Berlind, David Berlind #2

2. RSS v. Atom – Tim Bray posts a comparative chart

From Alex Bosworth, “The differences are posed in such a way as to show how Atom is superior, and as Don Park has pointed out some points might be half-truths or misleading, but generally I think it details the differences between Atom and RSS. The problem is that Atom has serious failings which all stem from the same cause – Atom is made for consumers, not producers.”

See also: Rogers Cadenhead, Tris Hussey and John Udell.

3. Steve Gillmor – Once you go RSS, you never go back.

“How many people, once they switched to AOL on Live8 Day, went back? The same number who switched back from RSS. My friend still hasn’t fired up Bloglines, or Rojo, or iTunes for that matter. But he will. That I’m sure of. It’s a matter of time.”

He mentioned this in a Gillmor gang podcast too. I totally agree. I’ve shown many people how to use RSS. They are all religous about it now.

4. Nivi – “RSS is the TCP/IP Packet of Web 2.0”

David Beisel comments here.

5. Dan Cornish – “RSS is Like TV”

“RSS is starting to feel like television. I sit in front of the tv with a remote and click through 100 channels and then say “nothing is on.”

In a comment to a Fred Wilson post.

Via Michael Parekh.

6. Net Rage – Blogging Sucks

Catalyst released a report at the link above that basically says people don’t get blogging and RSS yet, and we have a long way to go to get there. It’s just us geeks and wannabe geeks for now.

“Even assuming mainstream interest, current blog design standards – at least in terms of navigation, nomenclature and taxonomy – are a barrier to consumer acceptance. In fact, the design of most blogs can incite net rage”

See also BW, BloggersBlog and BlogHerald.

7. 5 Million Bloggers in China

“Of the 100 million mainland internet users, 5 million are bloggers and about 2 million have blog accounts with Bokee.”

Our understanding is that 2 players in China have about 80% of the market.

via BlogHerald.

8. Yahoo’s HotJobs adds scraped jobs to paid listings.

There’s been a ton written about this over the last week. Basically, Yahoo’s HotJobs is now scraping job sites for job listings and adding them to it’s paid listings. It had to – it’s being squeezed by the paid guys (see Monster.com) and the new scrapers like Indeed.

What we’d really like to see is companies set up their jobs page with an RSS feed. Seems obvious and would avoid all this scraping nonsense.

See Business2.0, SiliconBeat, Greg Sterling, Charlene Li, Zeremy Zawodny.

9. ReadyMade.com – How to Make a Chia Pet Couch

“How much oxygen did your furniture produce today?”

Via BoingBoing.

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  • OhGodItsGillmor

    I’ll stick to gigaom.com for serious IT discussion.

  • http://dmix.ca dMix

    FriendFeed? I had to check to the about page to make sure I’m on the right blog. Gillmor your a good writer but you chose to write for a blog serving a niche, lets stay on topic.

    “TCIT is dedicated to obsessively profiling products and companies in the Enterprise Technology space. TCIT aims to promote an understanding of emerging and existing Enterprise technologies and to analyze their commercial, social, and consumer impacts.”

  • http://netzwertig.com/ marcel weiss

    what the other 2 commenters said.

  • aronski

    Having spent the day with the taste of crow in my mouth and experimenting with Friendfeed, the cracks in the dike are showing today more than ever, it is clear that they are 2 different beasts we are trying to pound into the shape we think we want. Today I spent trying the service totally by mobile platform as I am traveling by land through Europe. The fact that Twitter is so crippled has me using different services (Summize,Twitterberry,gTalk and Friendfeed) to try to keep the conversation going as we experienced it a little over a month ago. While Summize provides an after the fact Track and a fast but semi manual stream to follow and gTalk’s one way broadcast inbound in real time( when it functions),it doesn’t replace the 2 way real time experience that gTalk with Track did. Friendfeed’s threads and rooms are very cool features. As are the other ways to shape and filter certain aspects of users multi feed streams but I see Friendfeed as a different tool altogether. It has great promise when more of the users I follow set up (tomorrow maybe?) and FFtogo is a great reader/commenter app but I think that my other thought may be shared by people: I just want Twitter to work. All the other services will live and die by their usefulness. Twitter when it functioned was something that you could take with you, share as it happened, use to message, get answers, read suggested news and broadcast your experience to whomever would tolerate it. I guess my snobby attitude about Friendfeed has had a slight paradigm shift, thanks to Twitter’s failure. I’d like both, thank you and I hope that comes to pass.


    “the lack of real time XMPP”
    Didn’t they mention they were looking into developing this on your very own gillmor podcast? I love it when non-developers expect developers to jump though hoops in a nano-second.

  • Steve Gillmor

    DNS Attack

    Yes they did, and in fact Bret Taylor went a little further in a video conversation we had at Supernova: http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/18/liveblogging-supernova-liquid-conversations-panel/

    I’m confident this is forthcoming, and expect that these talented folks will indeed jump through these hoops in a relative nano-second.

  • http://www.kensheppardson.com Ken Sheppardson

    I can understand why someone’s first response might be to declare this unrelated to “emerging and existing Enterprise technologies and to analyze their commercial, social, and consumer impacts”, but I’ll go ahead and disagree. I haven’t seen the light, so to speak, on the idea that the Twitter+TinyURL architecture is the backbone for online communication in the future, but I can sure as heck see the potential for FriendFeed or FriendFeed-like services in the enterprise.

    If you use FF for a while, I’m sure it wouldn’t be hard to imagine the same service in your company (either installed internally or hosted with the appropriate authentication and authorization features added) aggregating all the feeds from everyone in your workgroup, department, or business. It’s lighter weight than email, provides a public feed similar to an intranet home page, facilitates quick conversations, and is globally accessible. How is that not an emerging technology for the enterprise?

  • Steve Gillmor


    Couldn’t have said it better, and didn’t.

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  • http://dmix.ca dMix

    @ #7 Ken

    “How is that not an emerging technology for the enterprise?

    Just because an existing technology could be applied to the enterprise market does not make that technology enterprise software.

    I read through the post and don’t see any connection made to a business applications. Consumer and enterprise markets are very different, adoption is slow.

    You also mentioned feeds. Can you give me an example of these feeds that the software would aggregate?

    The first step would be wide-spread adoption of intranets with RSS, web based communication software with APIs, and other content like project management updates with these enterprises. But unfortunately those technologies are not yet common outside of silicon valley. Especially multiple ones to be aggregated.

    I’d argue there is a need for the technologies I listed. But right now its too early to say there is a need for a service to aggregate content that is hardly there.

    *Hopefully I’m not coming off as an arrogant c-list commenter*

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  • http://www.kensheppardson.com Ken Sheppardson


    Given that this is TechCrunchIT’s first week, I suppose I’m willing to cut Steve and Nik some slack as they define the scope of what they want to cover. That is, whether they intend to provide news and tactical analysis of existing “products and companies in the Enterprise Technology space” or push things out further and start a discussion on how some of the new consumer apps and mashups will be brought into the enterprise. Personally, I’m more interested in the latter.

    You asked, “Can you give me an example of these feeds that the software would aggregate?”


    * Most if not all wiki software these days provides an RSS feed of changes. I don’t have adoption stats, but I would certainly think firms outside of Silicon Valley are recognizing the value of the wiki in knowledge capture and collaboration.

    * Internal blogs maintained by individuals and teams are a great way to capture project status, keep in sync with team members, and support remote employees. These blogs, of course, provide RSS feeds.

    * Providers of document management systems, bug tracking systems, help desk systems, customer service applications, and other knowledge capture applications have certainly recognized the value in providing feeds as a way to distribute information about updates. If they’re not already providing these feeds, I suspect they will be in the next version or two.

    There’s also the opportunity to tie all this data together with numerical feeds like vehicle / shippment geolocation data and generate mapping and charting mashups. I’m not sure what feeds logistics services provide, but I suspect they’re coming shortly.

    I’d certainly agree with you that adoption of these technologies isn’t moving as quickly as some of us would like, but to some extent I think there’s a chicken-and-the-egg issue: roll-out of these sorts of feeds and feed tech may be slow until employees have systems that can aggregate the infromation, allow an individual to filter by topic or author, and otherwise slice and dice the information the way systems like FriendFeed can.

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