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		<title>Actual Conversations On Twitter Not Possible Until Twitter Lets Us</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 15:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael Arrington</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the big complaints about Twitter is that conversations are hard to follow. Users can write a response to a Twitter message (or anything else), but the easy way to do this is to add an @[username] tag to the Twitter, which refers back to the original Twitter user. But by then that original user has often moved on to other subjects, and it becomes impossible to follow the conversation.

This morning a new service <a href="http://www.twitterrati.com/2008/12/28/tweetree-twittercom-on-steroids/">launched</a> called <a href="http://tweetree.com">Tweetree</a> that tries to solve this problem by threading conversations. It works, sort of, but there are occasional errors as the service tries to match up which messages refer to what, and it rarely tracks deeper than one comment. Hardly a conversation.

This was all tried before with a service called <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/23/quotably-the-perfect-twitter-tool/">Quotably</a>, which actually worked much better than Tweetree. Quotably is now <a href="http://www.crunchbase.com/company/quotably">sadly in the Deadpool</a>. Quotably was a good way to track conversations on Twitter, but it too had its problems keeping up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the big complaints about Twitter is that conversations are hard to follow. Users can write a response to a Twitter message (or anything else), but the easy way to do this is to add an @[username] tag to the Twitter, which refers back to the original Twitter user. But by then that original user has often moved on to other subjects, and it becomes impossible to follow the conversation.</p>
<p>This morning a new service <a href="http://www.twitterrati.com/2008/12/28/tweetree-twittercom-on-steroids/">launched</a> called <a href="http://tweetree.com">Tweetree</a> that tries to solve this problem by threading conversations. It works, sort of, but there are occasional errors as the service tries to match up which messages refer to what, and it rarely tracks deeper than one comment. Hardly a conversation.</p>
<p>This was all tried before with a service called <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/23/quotably-the-perfect-twitter-tool/">Quotably</a>, which actually worked much better than Tweetree. Quotably is now <a href="http://www.crunchbase.com/company/quotably">sadly in the Deadpool</a>. Quotably was a good way to track conversations on Twitter, but it too had its problems keeping up.</p>
<p>The fact is that Twitter purposefully doesn&#8217;t want users to be able to track conversations. The content begins and ends with a discreet Twitter message, up to 140 characters long. Competitor Friendfeed does a nice job of tracking conversations by letting users reply to actual messages, not just users. Twitter, for whatever reason (possibly to keep things simple), just doesn&#8217;t want that. And until they do, nothing is going to change.</p>
<p>Tweetree has other features, like embedding videos and pictures that people link to into the stream. But without proper conversation tracking it won&#8217;t gather more than a handful of users, and will soon be forgotten.</p>
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		<title>Twitturly Cracks The TwitterMeme Nut</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael Arrington</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[People who hang out on Twitter a lot know that quite often big news breaks there first. A recent example &#8211; when Chinese hackers took down SportsNetwork, the news was on Twitter well before we covered it. But so far, unless you&#8217;re lucky enough to be following the right people, and online when the news breaks, you aren&#8217;t going to necessarily see the breaking news. Services like TwitLinks have launched recently that utterly failed to solve the problem, despite excitement from bloggers. Other services, like TweetMeme and Quotably, are useful for tracking Twitter messages themselves. But the key is finding the useful links &#8211; Twitter messages are really too short to have much news value for the most part. And figuring out if two Twitter messages are actually related is very difficult, so the matching doesn&#8217;t work very well. Today, though, Orli Yakuel pointed me to Twitturly, a service that holds some promise. It aggregates URLs linked in Twitter messages and puts them on the home page based on overall popularity, calculated simply by determining the number of times the URL was in a Twitter message. Like TechMeme, the more people who link to an item the higher it appears. As time goes on, the story deteriorates and drops in the rankings. The result is a page of very fresh and interesting links that users can go to and see the most popular current URLs being linked to. Of course what&#8217;s beautiful today is spam hell tomorrow. If this gets any traction (and I believe it will), it will have the same problems that Digg saw with people creating multiple accounts and linking to stuff just to bump up the votes. There are ways of dealing with this, such as giving more weight to Twitter accounts with a lot of followers, but it will be a constant battle against the bad guys. Some of the results are also a bit questionable. One of the current headlines, for example, is to Twitter.com/login, which isn&#8217;t new or useful. My recommendation would be for the service to track URLs and only show &#8220;headlines&#8221; pointing to new stuff that hasn&#8217;t been shown in the service before. We&#8217;ll see how it evolves. But for now, it&#8217;s a place to check out what&#8217;s interesting right now, according to the Twitter universe. CrunchBase Information Twitturly Twitlinks Information provided by CrunchBase]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.twitturly.com"></a>People who hang out on Twitter a lot know that quite often big news breaks there first. A recent example &#8211; when Chinese hackers took down SportsNetwork, the news was on Twitter well before <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/21/chinese-hackers-take-down-sportsnetwork/">we covered it</a>.</p>
<p>But so far, unless you&#8217;re lucky enough to be following the right people, and online when the news breaks, you aren&#8217;t going to necessarily see the breaking news. Services like <a href="http://twitlinks.com/">TwitLinks</a> have launched recently that <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/14/yeah-twitlinks-isnt-useful/">utterly failed to solve the problem</a>, despite <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/twitlinks_the_techmeme_of_twitter.php">excitement</a> from bloggers.</p>
<p>Other services, like <a href="http://www.crunchbase.com/company/tweetmeme">TweetMeme</a> and <a href="http://www.crunchbase.com/company/quotably">Quotably</a>, are useful for tracking Twitter messages themselves. But the key is finding the useful links &#8211; Twitter messages are really too short to have much news value for the most part. And figuring out if two Twitter messages are actually related is very difficult, so the matching doesn&#8217;t work very well.</p>
<p>Today, though, <a href="http://blog.go2web20.net/">Orli Yakuel</a> pointed  me to <a href="http://twitturly.com/">Twitturly</a>, a service that holds some promise. It aggregates URLs linked in Twitter messages and puts them on the home page based on overall popularity, calculated simply by determining the number of times the URL was in a Twitter message. Like <a href="http://www.techmeme.com">TechMeme</a>, the more people who link to an item the higher it appears. As time goes on, the story deteriorates and drops in the rankings.</p>
<p>The result is a page of very fresh and interesting links that users can go to and see the most popular current URLs being linked to.</p>
<p>Of course what&#8217;s beautiful today is spam hell tomorrow. If this gets any traction (and I believe it will), it will have the same problems that Digg saw with people creating multiple accounts and linking to stuff just to bump up the votes. There are ways of dealing with this, such as giving more weight to Twitter accounts with a lot of followers, but it will be a constant battle against the bad guys.</p>
<p>Some of the results are also a bit questionable. One of the current headlines, for example, is to Twitter.com/login, which isn&#8217;t new or useful. My recommendation would be for the service to track URLs and only show &#8220;headlines&#8221; pointing to new stuff that hasn&#8217;t been shown in the service before.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see how it evolves. But for now, it&#8217;s a place to check out what&#8217;s interesting right now, according to the Twitter universe.</p>
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		<title>TwitLinks: Not Useful, Not A TechMeme Killer</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael Arrington</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s clear that Twitter is the place that a lot of news breaks first (example), hours before blogs and days before mainstream media. No one has created an application yet that harvests that information and presents it as breaking news or breaking memes with anything like what TechMeme has done for blogs and other news sites. The newest entrant is TwitLinks, which RWW calls the TechMeme of Twitter. It sounds exciting, but the site is nothing more than a list of links provided by top Twitter users. I&#8217;m one of the users they track, so I&#8217;ve taken the opportunity to spam the site. It was way too easy, as shown in the image above. A single user&#8217;s gesture is not enough information for a service to call it interesting. Other users have to show their agreement by talking about it or linking to it. The aggregate linking patterns presented by AlphaTwitter, for example, is way more interesting than the data presented by TwitLinks. Other sites are trying to organize Twitter information as well, including Quotably and Tweetmeme. They don&#8217;t appear to be the answer, either. Quotably tracks usage on a per user basis. TweetMeme&#8217;s rules are more behind the scenes, but the results are less than stellar. There&#8217;s a terrific opportunity here for someone to mine this data and become a valuable destination site. But no one has done it yet. I anxiously await its arrival. CrunchBase Information Twitter Twitlinks Information provided by CrunchBase]]></description>
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<p>It&#8217;s clear that <a href="http://www.twitter.com">Twitter</a> is the place that a lot of news breaks first (<a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/13/if-you-wanna-be-a-phone-company-you-cant-go-dead/">example</a>), hours before blogs and days before mainstream media. No one has created an application yet that harvests that information and presents it as breaking news or breaking memes with anything like what <a href="http://www.techmeme.com">TechMeme</a> has done for blogs and other news sites.</p>
<p>The newest entrant is <a href="http://twitlinks.com/">TwitLinks</a>, which RWW <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/twitlinks_the_techmeme_of_twitter.php">calls</a> the TechMeme of Twitter. It sounds exciting, but the site is nothing more than a list of links provided by top Twitter users. I&#8217;m one of the users they track, so I&#8217;ve taken the opportunity to <a href="http://twitter.com/TechCrunch/statuses/789107473">spam the site</a>. It was way too easy, as shown in the image above.</p>
<p>A single user&#8217;s gesture is not enough information for a service to call it interesting. Other users have to show their agreement by talking about it or linking to it. The aggregate linking patterns presented by <a href="http://www.alphatwitter.com">AlphaTwitter</a>, for example, is way more interesting than the data presented by TwitLinks.</p>
<p>Other sites are trying to organize Twitter information as well, including <a href="http://www.quotably.com">Quotably</a> and <a href="http://www.tweetmeme.com">Tweetmeme</a>. They don&#8217;t appear to be the answer, either. <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/23/quotably-the-perfect-twitter-tool/">Quotably tracks usage</a> on a per user basis. TweetMeme&#8217;s rules are more <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/28/the-killer-twitter-tracker-just-arrived-and-its-name-is-tweetmeme/">behind the scenes</a>, but the results are less than stellar.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a terrific opportunity here for someone to mine this data and become a valuable destination site. But no one has done it yet. I anxiously await its arrival.</p>
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		<title>Quotably: The Perfect Tool To Make Sense Of Twitter</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 04:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael Arrington</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A new service called Quotably may be the best third party Twitter-related service so far. That&#8217;s because it reformats Twitter messages into threaded conversations, making it significantly easier to follow actual discussions that are occurring on Twitter. Until now, it&#8217;s been hard to follow conversations, even if you are in the middle of them. Sometimes responses come back tagged with your user name (@username), but often they don&#8217;t. And if you are just observing the conversation it is nearly impossible to see all of the responses. The service is easy enough to use &#8211; just tell it a Twitter ID and it will show you threaded conversations that involve that person. You can also view a RSS feed for any Twitter user by simply adding &#8220;.rss&#8221; to the end of the Quotably URL, such as quotably.com/techcrunch.rss. I found this via HackerNews, my new favorite news site. In a comment, the creator, Ben Tucker of Green River, says it was just a weekend project. I have one feature request &#8211; permanent Quotably URLs for each threaded conversation, allowing people to link directly to it. CrunchBase Information Quotably Twitter Information provided by CrunchBase]]></description>
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<p>A new service called <a href="http://www.quotably.com">Quotably</a> may be the best third party <a href="http://www.crunchbase.com/company/twitter">Twitter-related service</a> so far. That&#8217;s because it reformats Twitter messages into threaded conversations, making it significantly easier to follow actual discussions that are occurring on Twitter.</p>
<p>Until now, it&#8217;s been hard to follow conversations, even if you are in the middle of them. Sometimes responses come back tagged with your user name (@username), but often they don&#8217;t. And if you are just observing the conversation it is nearly impossible to see all of the responses.</p>
<p>The service is easy enough to use &#8211; just tell it a Twitter ID and it will show you threaded conversations that involve that person. You can also view a RSS feed for any Twitter user by simply adding &#8220;.rss&#8221; to the end of the Quotably URL, such as <a href="http://quotably.com/techcrunch.rss">quotably.com/techcrunch.rss</a>.</p>
<p>I found this via <a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/">HackerNews</a>, my new <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/10/little-known-hacker-news-is-my-first-read-every-morning/">favorite news site</a>. In a <a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=144253">comment</a>, the creator, <a href="http://www.crunchbase.com/person/ben-tucker">Ben Tucker</a> of <a href="http://www.greenriver.org">Green River</a>, says it was just a weekend project.</p>
<p>I have one feature request &#8211; permanent Quotably URLs for each threaded conversation, allowing people to link directly to it.</p>
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