Nokia Microsoft is like Yahoo Bing – Nokia's days as innovator are over

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As I was plugging in to power my iPhone to live stream today’s Nokia press conference, I overheard someone lean over and say “This is the most important day of your life”. It was whispered into the ear of Nokia’s PR spokesman as he took the stage today to introduce Nokia CEO Steven Elop. It certainly was important – but not in a great way. Today his boss effectively ended Nokia’s history as an ecosystem of its own, laid down its guns, and gave in to a Windows Phone future.

To me the direct comparison is Microsoft taking over as the search engine behind Yahoo. Under Carol Bartz, Yahoo surrendered in the search war to Google and decided to let someone else try: Bing. From that day on Yahoo gave up it’s long tradition of innovation.

Exactly the same thing has happened today. Everything about this event screamed that. Elop is Nokia’s Bartz. He’s looks at this entirely as a business transaction. Sure, he recognised the problems. But he took the decision not to fight.

Although Symbian will be around for a while longer as a legacy product, eventually Nokia will allow Windows to insert its phone OS into every Nokia product line, and even right down to the simplest, cheapest phones for the emerging markets.

Everything about this is fantastic for Microsoft. And in that regard I would even postulate that Nokia will now willingly sell itself to Microsoft, at a reduced price, within the next 18 months.

The thing is, Nokia simply could not transform from a hardware-centric company to software and services one. Steve Jobs always said: to do good software you have to know hardware. But in the new world of mobile ecosystems and apps, the reverse also applies.

It’s hard to say if this is a good or a bad day for the European startup eco-system, though I would argue that it is probably more good than bad.

One the one hand we may have lost the kind of company that would normally have acquired startups to give it an edge on it’s competitors. However, Nokia was not known as a great acquirer. It bought Plazes in 2008, but despite having a Foursquare/Facebook places check-in model years and years before those companies even appeared, Nokia did nothing with it.

Nokia acquired Dopplr in 2009. Again, did Nokia do anything with it? No, it was merely an “acqhire” for the CEO.

In addition, much was made of the Nokia ‘ecosystem’ of companies around the mobile giant in Helsinki and Espoo in the 1990s. Again, not much came of that in the scheme of things.

Lots of jobs will go from Nokia. That may lead to more startups, who knows. I doubt it. Nokia employees were generally corporate drones, with a few exceptions.

It also means that the innovation centre in Berlin has the Sword of Damocoles hanging over it.

Sure, Nokia is retaining the right to work on it’s own tablets and work with other operating systems. Perhaps Meego will come to the fore here. But frankly what is the point? Without an ecosystem of apps developers who can actually benefit from access to a lot of users, a separate Nokia platform is deader than a dead duck on a dead still pond.

The good aspect is that – dare I say it – there is now going to be a big Windows Phone champion, and that means apps and startups can now have a viable option that, at least in the next 18 months, will mean lots of new Windows Phone apps.

That’s good for apps people and startups. But in the end Nokia as a company has been relegated to an OEM.

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  • http://souterconsulting.eu/ Justin Souter

    Harsh but probably fair. I’d love to see Microsoft get the user experience as good as Apple’s – across everything they do. I’d also love to see them become a place of greater innovation – although to be fair Kinect seems to be amazing.

    Can the Microsofties ever shake off the general image that people have of them — as that which they love to hate?

    • Anonymous

      MS isn’t known for innovation. They’re known for copying, buying or stealing other innovations. Google is doing the same except they’re giving it away for free which MS can’t compete against.

      Nokia hasn’t done innovation in a long time. They had no choice but to adopt another platform.

      • http://mmomarket.org MMO Market

        MS is known for innovation however whenever they release something truly awesome people still rip on them.

        /fixed

      • Android_users_are_FAT_GEEKS

        You mean like how Apple copied Xerox for the Mac (Xerox Parc & Xerox Star), or how Apple copied LG’s Prada Phone to make the iPhone, or how Apple uses Open BSD to make OS X.

      • Anonymous

        You’re on drugs if you think the iPhone copied the LG Prada phone. Hilarious!

        Good artists steal, bad artists copy. Apple has always brought something new to the table otherwise why wouldn’t the prototype products like Parc/Star have been more successful?

      • Anonymous

        Yes uses open BSD to make Closed OS X

      • Trend_Spotter

        OS X uses parts of several BSDs.

        It’s what makes it so robust and awesome!

        Mac OS X is based upon the XNU kernel. XNU’s Mach component is based on Mach 3.0. XNU’s BSD component uses FreeBSD as the primary reference codebase (although some code might be traced to other BSDs).

        This is why real users of OS X love it – it’s rock solid unix foundation with a GUI that leaves most linux distro’s envious (eg Ubuntu), and gets out of our way to let us get things done.

        Idiot noobs!

      • Jérémie Clos

        I think you’re the noob.

      • Jérémie Clos

        I think you’re the noob.

      • Trend_Spotter

        Are you an ignorant idealistic idiot?

        YES you are!

        Why would any company like Apple spend millions of dollars and man hours to open source their whole OS, large parts of which they developed internally, to allow competitors to put it on crappier hardware and devalue their software/brand/market share?

        If you want the open source derived OS they’ve made, that ‘forms the core set of components upon which Mac OS X, Apple TV, and iOS are based’… go download Darwin – it’s open sourced:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)

        But don’t expect to have everything for free, or you’ll get something like Ubuntu – trying to aim for the same standards as OS X but failing to remain consistently good between versions.

        You get what you pay for, and OS X has a long history of internal development and innovation going back to NeXT Inc that drives the purchase decision of many Apple product buyers who want OS X… and iOS that is partially derived from it.

        If you want loads of open source code from Apple, go to:

        http://www.apple.com/opensource/
        http://www.opensource.apple.com/
        http://developer.apple.com/opensource/index.html

        Now go and read those pages… and educate your arrogant ignorant ass!

        It’s not like Apple hides its open source!
        They are proudly ‘open’ about their history of working with open source, smartly being a hybrid company – using open source and contributing back huge advancements to the community from WebKit (from KHTML) to GrandCentral, while developing its own proprietary software that sets it apart from Ubuntu etc.

        Here’s a quote one of those pages that sums this up:

        ‘As the first major computer company to make Open Source development a key part of its ongoing software strategy, Apple remains committed to the Open Source development model.

        Major components of Mac OS X, including the UNIX core, are made available under Apple’s Open Source license, allowing developers and students to view source code, learn from it and submit suggestions and modifications. In addition, Apple uses software created by the Open Source community, such as the HTML rendering engine for Safari, and returns its enhancements to the community.

        Apple believes that using Open Source methodology makes Mac OS X a more robust, secure operating system, as its core components have been subjected to the crucible of peer review for decades.’

        OS X doesn’t just use bits of BSDs and other open source projects, but a huge amount of code developed internally only by Apple (and previously NeXT), for example its Quartz Compositor windowing system.

        Few companies put anything out for free unless there’s a catch – Google does it to get ad revenue dollars from its spyware products, Ubuntu does it to capture market share against RedHat and try to get commercial client support contracts…

        Do you expect Google to release their customised work on RedHat linux, their server OS, their search algorithms…?
        No you dont (unless you are an idiot)!

        There are few companies as successful as Apple (market share, to revenues, to customer satisfaction ratings) that are as open in using open source and contributing it back.

        If you don’t believe in Capitalism where a company can make a buck from making something unique and keeping that ‘closed’, and believe everything should be ‘open’ and free… and don’t believe companies like Apple can be ‘hybrids’ – using (and contributing to) open source projects while making their own code to ‘add value’ to the market… (and giving consumers an OS and hardware integration second to none)…

        you are an idiot…

      • Jérémie Clos

        Looks like someone is taking things too seriously…

      • Trend_Spotter

        You are so full of BS!

        Educate yourself:

        1. Apple did not rip off Xerox Parc.

        To sum – Apple paid for access to Xerox Parc’s tech, Xerox Parc saw they had missed a market opportunity that Apple had seen (but they were an R&D outfit unappreciated by their own company, so go figure), and decided to take legal action, which was dismissed in court due Apple having legal right to access some of Xerox Parc’s tech.
        Read the full version here:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P

        On the other hand – MS did rip off Apple without any legal agreement to be ‘inspired’ by their tech – they sucked info from Apple software engineers while developing apps for Apple machines and reversed engineered everything Apple made that they could.
        Go find the story of Gates asking Jobs and his engineers at a demo of the Apple II how the cursor was rendered on the screen, and you’ll have learned a bit of real history.

        2. The iPhone could not possibly be ripped from the LG’s Prada.
        The latter came out only a few months before the iPhone, which had been in development for at least 2 years before then, and the first iPhone batch was in the factories being made when the LG Prada was released to market.

        3. OS X uses parts of several BSDs. It’s what makes it so robust and awesome! Idiot!!!
        Mac OS X is based upon the XNU kernel. XNU’s Mach component is based on Mach 3.0. XNU’s BSD component uses FreeBSD as the primary reference codebase (although some code might be traced to other BSDs).

        4. Apple has innovated more than Dell etc.
        Go educate yourself by reading about early Apple history with photos of early GUI dev here:
        http://www.folklore.org/index….
        and ask yourself why HP is copying tablet to monitor to keyboard designs from Apple…

        Apple’s ability as a commercial entity to use open source and contribute it back (Darwin, WebKit, GrandCentral, etc) is one of its primary strengths, and something that most Apple product using dev’s love. Knocking this only shows what an idiot ignorant noob you really are.

        As a developer I dig OS X for being a rock solid unix derived OS, ability to use all the free open source tools I need, a a GUI that any linux distro would be proud to have, and Apple’s almost huge rewrite of KHTML to WebKit and push to make it an open standard that has enabled Google’s Chrome browser and many competitors web browsers, which use WebKit as their HTML rendering engine and ultimately make it a de facto standard that’s easier for me to develop for.

        So quit the BS on this forum!

        It’s clear you have never actually used OS X and know almost nothing about the history of Apple.

        But go figure – you are a troll – not a developer or someone that ever does more than click a pretty Windoz icon or manage memory sucking apps on an Android device with a task manager.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-Murch/705204492 Steve Murch

        I wrote this back in 2008:

        “Getting pretty tired of the ‘Microsoft never innovates’ Zeitgeist”:

        http://blog.bigoven.com/blog/2008/07/getting-pretty-tired-of-the-microsoft-doesnt-innovate-zeitgeist.html

        It lists just a few innovations to come from MSFT. Certainly XBox Live, but also Kinect, now the most successful consumer electronics launch in history — also deserves a good mention.

      • Anonymous

        MS did some amount of innovation and built on Kinect but it was not their idea… it was developed by an Israeli company… and MS acquired it… that is how kinect started. But true MS did make it a commercial product…

      • Edwardnigma

        Oh and Apple didnt acquire the company that innovated capacitive touch technology? Same thing isnt it?

      • http://twitter.com/bradhauser bradhauser

        MS does seem to copy features from OSX, not all… but some. Google on the other hand defines innovation, not really sure where you came up with that absurd accusation.

        it is sad to see a once world leader in mobile dieing so quickly.. RIP nokia

  • http://twitter.com/DNicolasL Nicolas LaBarre

    I never thought of it that way, but its true.

  • Franklin

    right… Nokia will sell cheaply to Microsoft just like yahoo did right?

  • Nokiafan

    Bring back 3210.

  • http://twitter.com/ChazClout ChazClout

    It all went downhill after the N95. For me, that was the last decent flagship Symbian device. Initially I was pleased at the news but reading things like this has made me think again.

    It’s such a shame that Nokia and its team were never able to make Symbian special after the iPhone (and WebOS/Android). Time will tell how this all pans out but I’d hate to see Nokia hurt over all this.

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  • http://brunotorres.net/ Bruno Torres

    If you assume that nokia has been relegated to an OEM because it’s going to use windows phone from now on, wouldn’t that also be true if they decided to go for android anyway?
    Nokia knows hardware, Microsoft arguably knows software. Isn’t that a proper marriage? Isn’t that what happened with Motorola and Android, for instance?

    • http://geekological.com Vashishtha Jogi

      1) Nokia knows hardware – true
      2) MS knows software – true
      3) MS knows smartphone software – FALSE!
      4) Google knows smartphone software – HELL YEAH!

      • http://brunotorres.net/ Bruno Torres

        You’re right, but the point is, nokia would have to stop innovating anyway, would it close a deal with google or MS.
        The choice of MS seems to be a bad one today, but we may be wrong.

      • http://geekological.com Vashishtha Jogi

        I am a big Nokia fan, and I hope it proves to be good for Nokia. :(

      • http://brunotorres.net/ Bruno Torres

        Yeah, I really would love to be able to have a nokia phone today, but they simply don’t let me, they don’t make a phone I want to have anymore… Wish they’ll do it in the future, but it’s difficult to imagine that happening with a windows phone…

      • http://twitter.com/imbritneyspears Britney Spears

        are you saying that android software is better than that of wp7 software.

        android is just another carbon copy off of iphone, i know it,you know it and everyone including google knows it,,btw I do own an android phone so am not a fanboy of MS but the truth is the truth.

      • Anonymous

        Exactly, remember when Blackberry’s were the best smart phones in like 2006? Remember the Samsung Blackjack??? Android is the same thing. First they were going to copy Blackberry/RIM, then when they saw the iPhone’s success they completely changed their OS to mimic it. Proof: http://counternotions.com/2010/12/29/clones/

      • http://twitter.com/bradhauser bradhauser

        you both need to do some research before posting non-factual, opinion based, regurgitated thoughts about android being a copy of ios. the blackjack was windows mobile, i had one.. windows mobile was in no way a copy of rim..

        as for the link, the android phone shown in the first comparison was from 2005 or 2006 i believe and it was a very early prototype. care to show us all how android os is a carbon copy of ios?

      • http://twitter.com/bradhauser bradhauser

        you both need to do some research before posting non-factual, opinion based, regurgitated thoughts about android being a copy of ios. the blackjack was windows mobile, i had one.. windows mobile was in no way a copy of rim..

        as for the link, the android phone shown in the first comparison was from 2005 or 2006 i believe and it was a very early prototype. care to show us all how android os is a carbon copy of ios?

      • Anonymous

        You’re as dumb as you are ugly if you think a “Black”jack wasn’t a ripoff of a “Black”berry. Right down to the name and the qwerty keyboard. That or you’re another lemming fandroid who sees the world through whatever Google tells you.

        No it wasn’t just a prototype, they were clearly making Android into a Blackberry competitor and caught off guard by the iPhone and changed their UI to mimic/imitate iOS.

        Read the article, it clearly illustrates that Android copied the iPhone.

      • Jérémie Clos

        While it is true that Android clearly got its “inspiration” from the first iPhone, it clearly went a different way. But you can’t see it when you spend that much time gargling the Apple kool-aid.

      • Anonymous

        I’m just going to leave this here since you’re a moron and this article proves you wrong on every level: http://counternotions.com/2010/12/29/clones/

        I don’t prefer any company over another, I have a Macbook Air, a Dell, an iMac, a Toshiba laptop from a few years back, a Blackberry, an HTC Aria, a 3GS.

        You’re delusional and just some moronic fanboy who divorces himself from reality in order to make himself feel good about his decisions.

        This thread was about WP7 but you like so many other bog trolls have to completely derail it about some dick contest about Android… who the fuck cares. I have an Android phone sitting in my desk and I never even use it, it’s not impressive at all. Neither was the Nexus One or the Nexus S. Motorola/HTC/Samsung fuck over their customers with software updates all the time, they’re in the business of selling phones not developing a software platform. Fragmentation.

        Now please, find someone else to argue with. I’m sure you have nothing better to do with your time than sit around lonely in your mum’s basement weeping that someone disagrees with you, but that’s life. Move on, please.

      • Jérémie Clos

        You do realize you’re the one (along with “Britney Spears”) that got the discussion derailed on this subject, right ? I mean, it’s one thing to lie when you’re talking, but in a comment section all you have to do is scroll up to see the evidence of your own stupidity.
        And if you read my comment you would have realized I was actually agreeing with you on the fact that it is obvious where android got its inspiration from (especially considering the position of Eric Schmidt at the time) in terms of UI.

      • Anonymous

        Have you really been online for the last 6 hours? Wow, go outside.

      • Jérémie Clos

        “but the truth is the truth.”
        Except when it’s a lie ! Who would have thought a quite successful (in her time) pop singer would become a pathological liar on tech websites comment sections.

      • http://twitter.com/bradhauser bradhauser

        you are absolutely correct, it seems to be a poor choice today but we may be wrong.

        i remember when the G1 came out and i was the first one to hop onboard with android despite all of the ios naysayers, looks like it proved to be a great choice for google as well as all the manufacturers that went along with it.

        it is bittersweet to show how dominant android is to all the doubters in the early days ;)

      • john

        3) MS knows smartphone marketing (or consumer marketing): FALSE! – fixed

    • http://twitter.com/ChazClout ChazClout

      I’d guess people would have liked to have seen some push with Maemo/Meego.

    • Anonymous

      Yes it would — certainly going Android would have been no better for Nokia and arguably worse because they’d be an OEM lost in a sea of other OEMs.

      Their alternative was buying Palm for WebOS, but that ship sailed with HP. They also could have just grabbed the Android source code and forked it, but I don’t thing Nokia’s CEO had faith in his programmers/designers.

  • Atl Dave

    MS has a lot of cool innovative work going on. We’ll never get credit for that because the tech cognescenti still think we’re the same company from the 90s. Kinect and Windows Phone 7 really prove we can do great work. Windows Phone 7 isn’t an iPhone clone unlike Android. There’s room for another mobile OS and WP7 is it. Nokia just needs to build beautiful hardware around WP7 and it will do well.

    • http://twitter.com/crowdcomputing Crowd Computing

      Kinect is nice but entirely an outside acquisition. WP7 is indeed nice AND internally developed but it’s too late to the mobile ecosystem party, and Nokia is not going to be able to turn that around for you. If this deal had been done a year ago while WP7 was in development it could have been a different story, but of course Nokia hadn’t realized it was already lost at that point.

      • http://twitter.com/upright Brent

        Disagree — Nokia’s worldwide presence in every nook and cranny of the world will give a big boost to WP7. Distribution is very likely a game changer here.

        Of course, Nokia has to ship… so, we shall see.

      • Anonymous

        Most of those nooks and crannies (70%) are in the developing world where it will be cost prohibitive to offer WP7 spec hardware. That’s why they are still planning to ship some 150 million Symbian devices.

      • http://twitter.com/crowdcomputing Crowd Computing

        Their distribution channels don’t exist out of context; they were there because it was profitable for distributors to provide low cost Symbian phones to the rest of the world. This announcement will speed up the exodus from Symbian phones for low cost alternatives and hence the disolution of many of those channels. Worse, what do those distributors even have to wait around for? Hang in there for the better part of a year so there will finally be a high priced WP7/Nokia phone they can’t sell in volume? Yeah, that sounds like a good plan.

        It still vexes me that they announced this at all without a product even close to ready. The timing seems more like a plan to bring down Nokia’s market cap to where the company could be acquired than any sort of strategic move to improve Nokia’s profitability.

      • http://www.facebook.com/andreas.saebjoernsen Andreas Sæbjørnsen

        That is a good point. A private equity firm can possibly be working behind the scenes to quickly drive down the price of Nokia in order to buy it for cheap in two years. The first signs of some unnamed American investors strong-arming Elop into the CEO position, instead of Vanjoki that just quit, is stating to come out:
        http://www.intomobile.com/2011/01/26/nokia-chairman-ceo-anssi-vanjoki/

      • http://twitter.com/crowdcomputing Crowd Computing

        That’s fascinating if true.

      • http://twitter.com/crowdcomputing Crowd Computing

        Their distribution channels don’t exist out of context; they were there because it was profitable for distributors to provide low cost Symbian phones to the rest of the world. This announcement will speed up the exodus from Symbian phones for low cost alternatives and hence the disolution of many of those channels. Worse, what do those distributors even have to wait around for? Hang in there for the better part of a year so there will finally be a high priced WP7/Nokia phone they can’t sell in volume? Yeah, that sounds like a good plan.

        It still vexes me that they announced this at all without a product even close to ready. The timing seems more like a plan to bring down Nokia’s market cap to where the company could be acquired than any sort of strategic move to improve Nokia’s profitability.

      • http://twitter.com/crowdcomputing Crowd Computing

        Their distribution channels don’t exist out of context; they were there because it was profitable for distributors to provide low cost Symbian phones to the rest of the world. This announcement will speed up the exodus from Symbian phones for low cost alternatives and hence the disolution of many of those channels. Worse, what do those distributors even have to wait around for? Hang in there for the better part of a year so there will finally be a high priced WP7/Nokia phone they can’t sell in volume? Yeah, that sounds like a good plan.

        It still vexes me that they announced this at all without a product even close to ready. The timing seems more like a plan to bring down Nokia’s market cap to where the company could be acquired than any sort of strategic move to improve Nokia’s profitability.

      • GP

        Note entirely! I believe this is true for initial hardware techonolgy, but software and modifications to hardware (in order to lower price) were done by MS during development – so lots of effort and inovation there. (I do work for MS too, but am in no way connected with Kinect so I may be wrong).

      • Anonymous

        So which one of you guys forgot to add Copy/Paste?

      • http://twitter.com/mannar Mannar

        Those guys who worked on 1st version of iPhone and later went on to work for WP7 ;)

      • Anonymous

        Please name one person who worked at Apple and left for MSFT, sorry doesn’t work that way. Anyone with any sense of intelligence would go where the money is/stock price increasing– Apple, not MSFT. So… you’re wrong. Also the iPhone came out in 2007, WP7 has 4 years to get copy/paste.

      • john

        One example are the retail stores. Microsoft has been hiring Apple store managers to help out the new Microsoft retail stores. It tends to help your argument when you refrain from using such childish extremes in your posts, as if no apple employee has ever in history made the switch to Microsoft. Give me a break.

      • Anonymous

        Oh no!!! Retail employees! Those MSFT stores are popping up all over. /s

      • Steve08

        I worked for apple and I work MS

      • Anonymous

        In HR.

      • Thomas

        Wow, those goalposts move so fast you can hardly see them.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Justin-Hassler/526348941 Justin Hassler

        You really think there has never been one person that left Apple and joined MS? About having any sense, you would go where you are challenged and will stay employed. That could be either company depending on your skillset…but this is too complex for the typical comments chat so we’ll ignore everything else involved with getting a job.

      • Anonymous

        I know plenty of people who left MSFT for Apple, but not the other way around. Other than maybe a few high-profile people who got ridiculous offers from MSFT, I can’t think of anyone leaving Apple for MSFT because they saw more potential.

      • Anonymous

        Sorry it has nothing about potential or what company is ‘rising’. It’s about the conditions and the pay.
        There are heaps of ex-Apple floating about. HP picked up ex-Apple director of developer relations, for example.

      • Anonymous

        No, you’re ridiculous, I work in IT and starting with the release of the iPod a ton of people began leaving MSFT for Apple (if they could get hired). Why? Because Apple’s stock has gone up 3200% since then, so whatever when salaries are basically equal you can make a ton more money working for Apple since their stock was rising so fast. I don’t personally know anyone who went from Apple to MSFT, but I’m sure there are a handful, but they don’t prove my point wrong. There’s a brain drain at MSFT because their stock has been flat. From someone I know very well he said it like this: “I don’t care about having free sodas and coffee if at the end of the day I’m getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars less to work for MSFT.” Most people who’ve worked at both also describe MSFT as “fear driven and reactive” they are constantly playing defense and catch up.

      • Anonymous

        Hah, I guess you don’t work for Apple.
        They don’t pay more because they make more money. They make more money because they don’t pay more.

        This mass exodus you talk of only happens when incentive is given. It doesn’t happen because shares increase. Only shareholders care for the share price (and you can be a shareholder of any company you want while working for another).

        If what you say had any reality, everyone would work for a single company (a monopoly) so that the company can rip everyone off and give them their cash.

      • Anonymous

        Hah, I guess you don’t work for Apple.
        They don’t pay more because they make more money. They make more money because they don’t pay more.

        This mass exodus you talk of only happens when incentive is given. It doesn’t happen because shares increase. Only shareholders care for the share price (and you can be a shareholder of any company you want while working for another).

        If what you say had any reality, everyone would work for a single company (a monopoly) so that the company can rip everyone off and give them their cash.

      • Jérémie Clos

        And since you know everybody in both companies, this is a reasonable assumption. Or you don’t, but then you’re an idiot drawing conclusions from his own experience only.
        In case you didn’t notice, Apple and Microsoft are good in different domains and like Justin said above it depends more on your skillset than anything else.

      • Jérémie Clos

        And since you know everybody in both companies, this is a reasonable assumption. Or you don’t, but then you’re an idiot drawing conclusions from his own experience only.
        In case you didn’t notice, Apple and Microsoft are good in different domains and like Justin said above it depends more on your skillset than anything else.

      • Anonymous

        No, you’re ridiculous, I work in IT and starting with the release of the iPod a ton of people began leaving MSFT for Apple (if they could get hired). Why? Because Apple’s stock has gone up 3200% since then, so whatever when salaries are basically equal you can make a ton more money working for Apple since their stock was rising so fast. I don’t personally know anyone who went from Apple to MSFT, but I’m sure there are a handful, but they don’t prove my point wrong. There’s a brain drain at MSFT because their stock has been flat. From someone I know very well he said it like this: “I don’t care about having free sodas and coffee if at the end of the day I’m getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars less to work for MSFT.” Most people who’ve worked at both also describe MSFT as “fear driven and reactive” they are constantly playing defense and catch up.

      • Anonymous

        A humor flight has departed over your head.

      • Richardfromage

        Can you annoying apple fanboys just give it a rest? Seriously, we get it… you like your iPhones so much you have sex with them every night. Don’t take it so personally if someone doesn’t think Apple is all that.

      • Anonymous

        Stop commenting. I do not care. Get a life, go outside, get some exercise, clean your room, do some laundry. Readjust your priorities in life that you care so much about my opinion.

      • http://twitter.com/crowdcomputing Crowd Computing

        I wasn’t trying to imply no work was done, just that MSFT can’t entirely claim it as an example of their companies innovation. It was developed and marketed well though, and so far it’s been managed with a level of sophistication that many would claim that MSFT lacks, so your point is fair.

        That said, this Nokia/WP7 thing is still fishy and unlikely to be anything but extraordinarily difficult to pull off, unless the point is actually to buy their IP.

      • Anonymous

        And Android was an acquisition tooo..

      • http://twitter.com/crowdcomputing Crowd Computing

        Nobody said it wasn’t. How does this enhance MSFT’s image???

      • http://twitter.com/abhijeet80 Abhijeet

        The Kinect Software is entirely in-house, even if the hardware is not.

      • http://twitter.com/abhijeet80 Abhijeet

        The Kinect Software is entirely in-house, even if the hardware is not.

    • http://twitter.com/matthewcp matthewcp

      Wish wp7 apps could be developed in Mono.

      • http://twitter.com/crowdcomputing Crowd Computing

        When hell freezes over I’m afraid. Letting Nokia port WP7 development to Qt would have been smart (even if only for a short time) but notice that’s not even going to happen.

    • Caroline Danon

      Windows7 is not an iPhone or Android clone, but what is it then? A windows clone…? ;-)

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Justin-Hassler/526348941 Justin Hassler

        It’s actually fairly unique.

    • Anonymous

      “There’s room for another mobile OS and WP7 is it.” I appreciate you disclaiming that you work for Microsoft, but that would have been obvious otherwise as well. There was room for another mobile OS a year ago, right know the OS wars have turned into one of the hottest tech wars in history, and with all big players in it this will get ugly (and great for consumers at the same time). But seriously, Apple and Google are innovating constantly (google more concerning software imo), if MS wants a part of the pie it should get phones out to the market yesterday. Definitely not in 1-2 years!

      • http://twitter.com/upright Brent

        Well, Apple is innovating. Google is tacking on features and continually playing catch-up, reacting to whatever Apple does.

      • Anonymous

        I guess you haven’t been paying attention to the mobile space for the past 10 months. The only innovation Apple offered with iPhone 4 is a higher pixel density screen (still only 3.5 inch) and a proprietary video chat feature that only works… on other iPhone 4s. Google and their partners beat them to the punch on NFC, navigation, duel-core, DDR2 RAM, and dual screens (okay, this last one probably won’t go to far).

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Justin-Hassler/526348941 Justin Hassler

        What Google and their partners didn’t beat them to the punch was making all of that work together for an average user. It’s not as if Apple is unaware of these technologies, they simply wait until they are feasible and improved. Those features you’ve named haven’t really shown any real world need.

      • The Reverend

        um, Wi-Fi hotspots, multitasking, widgets, Flash, a completely customisable interface (Swype, Swiftkey etc…), a tablet-designed OS, Renderscript (will be one of Android’s big plus points for the next couple of years), I could go on.

        Now which of these are reactions to Apple?

      • Jim

        “tablet designed OS” – ever heard of an iPad?

      • AsBu

        You mean the giant iPod Touch with essentially the same OS?

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Justin-Hassler/526348941 Justin Hassler

        Which scores a second point for the iPod Touch.

      • Anonymous

        Flash (iOSes lack of it), tablet designed OS (iPad), multi-tasking (copied WebOS). Android is a junky clone: http://counternotions.com/2010/12/29/clones/

        Google just tries to be the anti-Apple while copying their every move. You can only imitate for so long before people will catch on a get the real thing.

      • Jérémie Clos

        Flash is a part of the web, whether you like it or not.
        Android came out before WebOS.
        And if you’re saying Honeycomb is a clone of iOS then I must ask you to pull your head out of your ass.

      • Anonymous

        Yeah because there are so many tablets with Honeycomb, you’re going off a Youtube video, pull your head out of your ass. You’re in denial.

        So if Android/Google are so amazing then why are they just copying Apple’s game over and over again? iPhone–> Android, iPad—> Honeycomb. Great company! Thinking so originally. Oh and you’re in denial and a moron.

        Flash is a dead technology there are better things available, Google is just clever and convinced you that it’s the only solution. Bravo for being a moron and not being able to think for yourself. Wow! Flash!!!! Google realllly impressed me there.

        Jealous much?

      • Jérémie Clos

        Dude have you even looked at the Honeycomb UI or are you just randomly typing crap ?

      • Anonymous

        I’ve looked at it and it looks like the ripped off WebOS/iOS both. Google was never about innovation, they just copy ideas and then offer their products for free to build an audience to bombard with ads. If that’s what you like then fine, I like gmail and google maps, but Android doesn’t have phones that are any cheaper than Apple, 3GS is $50 and 4 is $200.

        Please move on with your life, I know you were sitting around for the last six hours waiting for a reply (sad/pathetic) but now, go outside, get some exercise, make a friend or two in real life, call your mum (or go upstairs?)… seriously just don’t bother me anymore with your drivel.

      • Jérémie Clos

        And yet you keep responding to every comment with your obnoxious logorrhea and pathetic insults.

      • Richardfromage

        I’m afraid he’s right Nicholas, you win the annoying fanboy of the day award. The sad thing is you don’t even realize how ridiculous you are.

      • john

        I find it funny when people act like adding Flash, a dying technology, is Google innovation.

      • Anonymous

        Sure, Apple is innovating. But it works both ways currently: Apple adapting Google’s more open approach letting more carriers in, with backgrounds, folders and portable hotspot.. Get out of your RDF, you’ll notice Apple isn’t the only one in town.. :)

      • Anonymous

        Apple is just the best one in town. They are the BMW/Audi of consumer tech. 4% market share and 51% profit share.

      • Anonymous

        You just proved Apple has the highest margins (by far), not that they make the best products.

      • Anonymous

        So why aren’t Android phones cheaper then? They have a free OS, but Android can’t even compete on price. All the new Android phones cost as much or maybe $50 cheaper than an iPhone 4G and none are cheaper than a 3GS.

        And so I guess you think all those people who bought iPhones are completely wrong? 50+ million iPhones were sold in 2010… the market has spoken and you are wrong.

      • Anonymous

        wow, someone’s taking this seriously. Ok, first of all you android haters should decide upon an argument: Are android handsets sold because they’re just cheap dumbphones? Or is android stupid because you have to pay the hardware? If the market decides what a good product is (your definition, mine would include specs) then we can consider Android the best product, because it had by far the greatest growth. http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/09/gartner-android-os-sales-trumps-ios-and-rim-grew-888-percent-in-2010/
        You call Honeycomb a “far worse OS” than that iOS, so I doubt you’ve ever actually used it. But let me tell you, it’s awesome imho. Widgets, notifications, uncensored app store, live wallpapers, full multitasking, system-wide voice-to-text input, the ability to swap out the phone’s battery/memory card, high-quality navigation software that isn’t a separate purchase, cloud-to-device messaging, (lacking on ATT-iPhone only:) mobile hotspot functionality + the ability to make calls reliably, flash option for the full web, etc… all which doesn’t work on the iphone.
        Anyway, the iPad was first, and I give big credit to apple to anticipate this direction of computing. But other manufacturers have more than risen to the challenge, and Apple will better have some outstanding iPad 2 hardware/software.. http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/09/hp-touchpad-vs-ipad-vs-xoom-vs-playbook-the-tale-of-the-tape Calling that kind of hardware “crap” just makes you sound dumb – Like it or not, it makes for great competition (and desperately needed one at that), and will certainly shake things up as Android did with apple as a whole. I like open-source, I like choice of hardware, I like customize-ability, I like a lot of things about these gadgets running android. I just hate trolls.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Justin-Hassler/526348941 Justin Hassler

        If the market on AT&T is the market you look at, you know, the one that sells the iPhone. Android is being crushed.

      • Anonymous

        I don’t live in the US and it’s the same here – Android is growing faster than anybody else. This isn’t because of carriers, though apple WAS kinda foolish not to allow the AT&T-only deal to continue for so long. But how many Android handsets sell on AT&T? Not many compared to Sprint, Verizon or T-mobile. So it’s not surprising that the until recently only option (the iPhone) is the most popular smartphone on AT&Ts shitty network.

      • Trend_Spotter

        You are an idiot by saying:

        ‘But how many Android handsets sell on AT&T? Not many compared to Sprint, Verizon or T-mobile.’

        You should compare the number of Android devices sold on AT&T to the number of iPhone models, the latter being much much less.

        At the end of the day Apple users don’t care about the numbers… thats an fandroid trait.

        Android = Quantity, iOS = Quality.

        Quality is all Apple users care about.

        To us, Android can win most of the market and we wouldn’t care as long as there are still enough developers making good quality spyware free, code reviewed, apps for the App Store.

        Android is becoming the spyware app infected Windoz of mobile, with poorer UI, greater fragmentation, and less stability due to this – yet on many more devices.

        Congratulations on that!

      • Anonymous

        Read my comment again as to why you can’t only compare AT&Ts smartphones if you want to know the market shares. Besides, Apple cared about numbers very much – Until Android started topping Apple. Example: Jobs wasting 5 minutes of his Earnings call (!) to try and diss Android, “we await as to who was the winner in this recent quarter”, “Apple activated 300k devices an a few of those days”, “the first thing most of us think about when we hear the word “open”, is “Windows”!”. Seriously, that’s just bs. Anyway, I care about Quality much more than weather or not my friend will have the same phone. My point just was 1) a lot of people choose android and 2) a lot of developers choose android.

        “Android is becoming the spyware app infected Windoz of mobile, with poorer UI, greater fragmentation, and less stability due to this – yet on many more devices.”
        Ok – Show me some serious spyware issues before repeating that mantra about spyware. Poorer UI? No problem, customize it if you belong to the few that don’t like it as is. “Greater fragmentation”.. I still have to laugh a little at Jobs try at making everyone use the same device, trying frantically to ignore the fact that people don’t all want the same stuff and the fucking WORLD is “fragmented (if you define that as having choices). Seriously.

      • Anonymous

        Uncensored app store? So where are all the high quality apps like Pages/Numbers/Keynote/Dead Space/Rage/Infinity Blade?

        Cool, you have an NES emulator…

        The Motorola Xoom is going to cost $800, for similar hardware to the iPad and a free OS. Fail.

        Android also has gets a boost from Tapas and OMS, custom Chinese made versions of Android that don’t have the Google hooks– Maps, Gmail, Chrome, etc etc. Market share doesn’t matter as Apple has clearly shown. Nokia/Symbian had market share and we’re seeing the results of that, it’s a very poor indicator or measurement of success. Also, Android is sold by on all cell phone providers, the iPhone is only now, as of yesterday sold on Verizon. Let’s see what happens now. You’re comparing Apples to oranges.

      • Anonymous

        By “uncensored app store” I mean just that. I mean not *one* company deciding what millions of people can see on their phones, but rather letting the people that legally purchased it decide for themselves. You know, there are lots of apps just not getting approved by the company that wanted to save us from 1984, and people aren’t putting up with it any longer. Face it – Apple’s stance on reviewing apps (anything beyond quality control) is just ridiculous.
        And I know Apple still has way more apps. However with Android growing so quickly developers (which build for the platform with the greatest reach) will adapt accordingly. The very most apps are available for both Android and iGadgets, and there are actually apps that just don’t exist on the iPhone or nowhere near as well, which I use every day.

        As for the Xoom, Playbook, Touchpad etc, they’ve only just started the tablet-era I give full credit to Apple for. However the Xoom for example has way superior hardware, is priced around 80 bucks over the iPad, and lastly the development of iOS didn’t cost a lot when compared to iPad margins. If you don’t know the Xoom’s specs (which you obviously don’t), you should actually click on the link in my previous reply: Bigger screen, better resolution, a gyroscope, around 4x more RAM, front camera (2mp), rear camera (5mp) with 4x zoom and flash… I think it’s safe to say the Xoom tops the iPad easily. So let’s wait till the iPad 2 along with the next round of Android devices, shall we?

        And lastly, you seem to define “success” not by worldwide adoption ie sales (because there Android easily wins) but rather by.. money it makes? Or what do you mean when you say you can’t compare Android smartphone sales to Apple smartphone sales? Again: The margins don’t make a great product. I don’t care weather apple’s or google’s stock rises (though apple looks more promising), I just want the best mobile experience. For now, that’s Android. But who knows? Maybe Apple will finally bring something to the market and start innovating in iOS as well? See, that’s what differentiates people like me from fanboys like you – We don’t really care who made the product as long as it’s the best one out there. I think Google shook up the mobile industry tremendously, effectively enabling hardware manufacturers like HTC, Samsung or Motorola a good shot at the would-be monopoly of Apple. Now MS is trying to catch on with Nokia and we’ll see what happens, but one thing is certain: This will be a hot fight and force everyone to innovate tremendously. The winner? Us consumers.

      • Trend_Spotter

        You are full of BS!

        The tiny tiny tiny percentage of apps that have been banned from Apple’s App Store because they may cut into Apple’s own app sales, offend some of its more mainstream customers, or may use features Apple wants you to use in other ways – exactly that – tiny – less than 0.00001%.

        Yet there are over 300,000 apps in the App Store and growing.

        Compare the quality of the UI standards of those to those in Google’s MarketPlace, which only recently added more countries for sale to, and it’s… no comparison.

        Compare the huge number of spyware/malware ridden apps in Google’s Market Place to the tiny number found in Apple’s App Store – again – no comparison.

        Compare the tiny number of app types not available in Apple’s App Store but available in the Google’s Market Place… tiny tiny tiny.

        For the ‘curation/censorship’ (whatever you want to call it)… ‘review process’ – code checking – Apple users get apps that are higher quality, more secure, and let them do 99.99999% of what Android users can do on their phones.

        Big woopee!

        When I go to an electronics store, I expect them to have some exclusive brand deals not found in another chain store, and I expect them to sell products that are safety certified, etc.

        That’s no different from the expectation most consumers have from Apple’s App Store.

        Yet Google doesn’t care, evidenced by it taking months for them to pull fake banking apps from their Market Place that were phishing customers real login details so the dev’s could steal users bank funds. And certainly evidenced by Google’s lack of customer support for the Nexus. They are an advertising revenue driven company first and foremost – and their main customers are advertisers – not the end user, which is who Apple puts first.

        Who gives a fck about the Xoom etc… it’s version of Android will be crippled, bloated, locked down, and obsolete in no time, and barely supported by the maker. Same goes for most Android devices.

        There’s a reason why PC Mag’s survey ranked Apple as giving the most customer satisfaction, and why Apple consistently wins No.1 in customer support. They care for customers, not just margins.

        If you think the review process is really limiting anything more than a tiny tiny tiny number of apps from selling in the App Store and hasn’t proven to protect customers more than Google’s lack of customer focused policy… you are an idiot.

        When Android devices get a polished OS (not Honeycomb that looks like a Vista rip with bad attempt at Tron theme), that works as well with OS X as iOS, on devices with battery lives as long as iOS devices, with an App Store with as many quality and secure apps, etc etc…

        then you can rant.

        Till then, stfu, and stop calling Apple a monopoly.

        There’s a reason they are doing so well selling so few device models…
        (not spamming market like Android, which is new Windoz)

        they make quality, they care for their customers, and it shows in sales.

        Perhaps the reason Sergey Brin has used a Mac since (and before) co-founding Google, thousands of Googler’s choose to use it over their customer linux distro or Windoz (which was just phased out there), and many of the worlds top coders use Apple products – they just work… and typically for at least 3 major OS updates.

        And the iPad etc will last longer than your crappy Xooms too. Don’t believe me… just watch history repeat itself with Android devices becoming the crappy Windoz of mobile, full of spyware/malware apps, lasting only 1-2 OS major OS updates coz of vendor lock-in etc.

        Apple users don’t care about margins – we care about quality – and Apple cares about both, which is why for one company making far less mobile devices than any one of its competitors, it’s market share is growing.

      • GoogIT

        Umm… Goog does use Windows – actually a lot of it (sales figures don’t lie).

      • Trend_Spotter

        So what?

        I noted that they are trying to phase Windows usage out in Google.

        Didn’t you see the press release a year or even two years ago?!

      • Anonymous

        So, you’re saying:
        1) Apple’s censorship doesn’t affect anyone.
        2) There are more and better apps in the app store.
        3) Android apps have spyware and malware.
        4) Android on the Xoom will be bloated, crippled and locked down.
        5) iGadgets have longer battery life
        6) iOS looks nicer than Honeycomb.
        7) The iPhone must be good because Sergey Brin and others use a mac.
        8) Because Apple only makes ONE smartphone, and that smartphone logically gets sold a lot more, it has to be better. Even though, actually, quantity doesn’t matter. But it’s market share is growing, ha.

        Ok, I’ve left away the immature insults and will concentrate on above.

        1) Google voice alone disproves you. But I won’t list those apps (latitude, Sony, porn [gasp!] etc), because I was criticizing their model, not the fact that you have to jailbreak to access simple functionalities. See, I don’t like ONE company being able to decide what I can do with MY legally purchased device and what not. Big Brother much? Not for me.
        2) Sure, like I said. Point is, Android is catching up quickly because developers will develop for the platform with the widest customer reach – And that’s Android.
        3) Bullshit. On apple, EVERY app has access to private information, on Android it’s only around 20% and you have to *specifically approve and install them*. You call that malware, if you have to change something in the settings, download a program manually, approve all it’s functions and THEN it starts doing stupid stuff? You CAN always make your device malfunction if you really want to, but for now that just isn’t possible if you don’t.
        4) False as well. Xoom will have stock android. Check your facts.
        5) Probably true. But Android devices easily last a day and that’s enough for most people since they can plug in their device every evening. Android devices have a bigger screen and can do more, are you really surprised that uses power?
        6) Your opinion, nothing else. But point is, you can customize Android beautifully if you don’t like it, with iOS that just isn’t possible.
        7) I use a mac myself. Does that make me love iTunes, the iPad or the iPhone? No. They’re not the same product. Face it.
        8) Apple’s taking the “one device fits all” approach, even though people have different needs and wants. Other manufacturers realized that and offer more choice as to price, carrier and hardware. That makes their devices fit the consumers better, but logically reduces the sales of one device. Besides, as mentioned in smartphones the growth of Android is far greater than that of iOS.

        Now have you got any real arguments for a change? “Till then, stfu, and stop calling Android the new “Windoz””

      • dreww

        i’ve always missed not having live wallpapers on my iphone. i simply can’t live with a bunch of battery destroying bullshit behind the icons i’m trying to actually use.

      • Anonymous

        A lot of people like them. But if you don’t, then simply don’t use them, no-one forces you. Even if you have android, you don’t have to enable Wallpapers, if you’re happy with your static grid of icons just customize it to look like that. See, with android you’ve always got choice – If you want wallpapers, enable them. If you want flash, use it. I like choice and if Google gives me more OPTIONS I don’t think that’s a bad thing.

      • Jérémie Clos

        I’m sure you’re trying to sound witty, but you just come out as an ass.

      • http://twitter.com/gorash aaaaaaaaa

        You do realize that Apple doesn’t actually have “quality”, right? Apple is all about having an IMAGE of premium quality, but it doesn’t actually have quality. Apple makes cheap phones and tablets made from cheap materials assembled in China just like anybody else. Apple makes iPads that cost $250 and iPhones that cost $180 to make and sell them for $500+. Buying into marketing hype from Steve Jobs by saying that Apple is a quality brand is just naive and foolish.

      • Anonymous

        You’re a moron. iOS beats Android in every category except I’ll give Android better multi-tasking but meh, iPhones are superior in every way to the Nexus S and any other Android flagship phone.
        So Apple just tricked 50 million people last year? They’re materials are aluminum/glass not plastic junk like Samsung. Their OS is the best mobile OS, they have the best apps, best media-hub (iTunes), best build quality, best displays (made by Hitachi), and everything else they do blows their competitors out of the water. All for the same price of cheaper than any Android phone available.

        Where are the Pages/Keynote/Numbers/Infinity Blade/Dead Space apps for Android or WebOS or Blackberry?

        The developers develop for iOS because that’s the best platform.

        You do realize standard markup is 200% right? What do you think that Motorola Xoom or Galaxy Tab cost to manufacture?

        You’re a fool for not even knowing what you’re talking about. Fandroid.

      • Jérémie Clos

        “So Apple just tricked 50 million people last year”
        We don’t call them “people”, we call them “idiots” and laugh at them when they try so hard to convince everybody their iCrap is so superior to everything because they can’t bear the idea they just bought a steaming pile of technological horseshit. And looking at your comment I can see you’re one of them. Congrat’s :)
        Now pardon me if I point at you and laugh.

      • Anonymous

        You’re an idiot… seriously. I can at least acknowledge the strengths and weakness of each platform but when you buy an Android phone you get strung along waiting for software updates whether its Motorola, HTC, or Samsung. If iOS were so terrible as you’re desperately trying to say, then why are all the best apps available on it? Android has emulators… cool…

        Now pardon me while I ignore the rest of your moronic comments that disregard facts and reality. Enjoy living in your own delusional world where you care about the purchases of others and try to get some superiority high by justifying your own decisions online, pathetic.

      • Richardfromage

        You apple fanboys are an embarrassment. Seriously.

      • http://twitter.com/gorash aaaaaaaaa

        They rip off their customers the most and you’re happy about this? I’ll never fathom the logic of Apple fanboys.

      • Anonymous

        Ugh clearly they don’t. Android/Blackberrys/WP7 all cost ~$50-$200 on contract. So how is Apple ripping their customers off? If anything Motorola/HTC/Samsung are ripping their customers off using a free OS and selling it for the same price as an iPhone.

        You are ignorant. Fail.

      • Jérémie Clos

        It does seem though that Apple also robbed you of your brain, unlike Motorola/HTC/Samsung, which makes the iCraps more expensive considering the price of brains on the black market. So… yeah, you are ignorant. And you fail. At not being an idiot.

      • Anonymous

        You act like a seven year old whose jealous on Christmas that you didn’t get the toy you wanted.

        You jealous? You mad? :((( Wahhhh

      • Jérémie Clos

        Well, I’m not the one getting all excited on blog comments :)

      • Anonymous

        No, you’re just the one foaming at the mouth because someone doesn’t share your fanatical devotion to Android. I own a fucking Android phone, it doesn’t impress me, sorry that bothers you but maybe you need to readjust your priorities in life when you’re waiting around for 6 hours on the internet to reply again ASAP because you have nothing to do than start another Android vs iOS flame war.

        Please move on with your life.

      • Jérémie Clos

        I think you’re mistaking me with someone who cares about your life.

      • Anonymous

        Well, clearly reading comprehension is not your strongest skill. No, I didn’t imply you need to care about my life, I’m just saying I’ve used Android and iOS and Blackberry and WebOS, and out of all of them I like iOS.

        You’re the one getting butthurt that someone on the internet likes an iPhone. Rethink your priorities in life.

        Please go away troll and stop spamming my email, I’m not replying after this because this debate/argument is a waste of time. Go get some exercise, go outside, ride a bike, clean your room (mom’s basement), go back to 4chan, or whatever it is you do.

      • Jérémie Clos

        Well I am happy that iOS satisfies your needs. Android satisfies mine. Shall we call it a day ?

      • Richardfromage

        NIcholas, you’re the one coming across as a raving fanboy. Please shut the hell up. Some people like Android. Get over it.

      • Anonymous

        The conversation is dead, like the brain cells in your head.

        I have an Android phone, obviously I like it. I’d give it a B+ overall, I just like iOS better.

        Get over it. Move on with your life. Take a deep breathe.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Justin-Hassler/526348941 Justin Hassler

        One new carrier in the US isn’t really taking on Google’s approach – they’ve been on multiple carriers worldwide for years. Google didn’t create the portable hotspot, it’s been available on Windows Mobile for years, and even on jailbroken iPhones before Android existed. Backgrounds? You mean wallpaper or multitasking? Either of these go back a good 30 years at Apple.

      • Anonymous

        Apple brought the iPhone to the market in 07, not 30 years ago.. just sayin.

      • Anonymous

        More like apple is trying to play catchup with their features. Gestures (hello webos), multitasking, wifi hotspots ect have all been only recently implemented and have been on these other platforms for awhile. Next they will add ‘magical’ and ‘revolutionary’ widgets. iOS has been a very basic, grid icon, Fischer Price looking layout from the beginning.

      • john

        Google called, they want their “Fisher Price” moniker back.

      • Poru

        Windows XP called, they want their nickname back

      • http://twitter.com/gorash aaaaaaaaa

        But, but, but… they look so pretty!

      • Jérémie Clos

        Oh dude you’re so full of it.

      • Jérémie Clos

        Oh dude you’re so full of it.

      • http://pauloflaherty.com Paul OFlaherty

        There is always room for another mobile OS. You know, there was a time when people said there wasn’t room for another browser, or games console etc…

      • Anonymous

        Sure. But it’s going to be a veery tough fight.

      • Anonymous

        Sure. But it’s going to be a veery tough fight.

      • Anonymous

        Yes, it’s amazing what abusing your monopoly power and can buy you these days.

      • john

        Microsoft should be more like Google, and stop using their monopoly power to buy everything……. oh wait…… nice one.

      • Anonymous

        Room? Everything that can be invented has been invented. ;-0

      • Adam Selene

        You got 5 touch-screen smartphone company/operating systems to compete with: Apple (iOS), Microsoft (WM7), Google (Android), HP (WebOS) and RIM (Blackberry).

        The first four of those companies have enormous piles of cash, and huge revenue streams completely unrelated to the cell phone market — they can stay in this fight even if losing money on it for years.

        Nokia can’t compete with that. Their partnership and eventual merger seems quite inevitable, as inevitable as Palm getting acquired, and I’d hate to be RIM right now.

        Add to those four companies a fifth potential major player with similar attributes: Sony, via Sony Ericsson / PSP / Android hybrid products.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sridhar-Sreenivasan/524568580 Sridhar Sreenivasan

      Naming just two products out of N products coming out of MS stable doesn’t qualify as innovation. Also both the products mentioned are also debatable.
      “There’s room for another mobile OS and WP7 is it”
      That wasn’t happening, and hence the “working arrangement” with Nokia.

    • Mcipriani

      Man, looking at the picture above, Ballmer is ugly as shit, balding and fat he is creepy as hell.

    • http://www.differencebetween.com Difference Between

      Here is some Difference Between Windows Phone 7 (WP7) Nokia and Symbian Nokia
      http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-windows-phone-7-nokia-and-vs-symbian-nokia/

    • Mcipriani

      Dude, Windows is SHIT plain and simple. regardless of what the army of idiots like you think, you cannot change the simple fact that M$ products are complete CRAP. I challenge you: Name one sane person who would use this SHIT unless forced to.

  • Anonymous

    Lets all agree that you cannot innovate in hardware unless you also OWN the software because Steve Jobs said so.

    • Anonymous

      Then why did HP buy WebOS? To free themselves from Android/WP7 race to the bottom. You can’t just competing on price forever, the margins are getting smaller and smaller.

      These ridiculous Fandroid lemmings are annoying. You’ve all completely turned me off Android by being a bunch of fanatical weirdos divorced from reality. I have an HTC Aria and an iPhone and while I appreciate Android, it’s in no way better than iOS, it lacks the polish and attention to detail, not to mention build quality/materials.

    • Anonymous

      Then why did HP buy WebOS? To free themselves from Android/WP7 race to the bottom. You can’t just competing on price forever, the margins are getting smaller and smaller.

      These ridiculous Fandroid lemmings are annoying. You’ve all completely turned me off Android by being a bunch of fanatical weirdos divorced from reality. I have an HTC Aria and an iPhone and while I appreciate Android, it’s in no way better than iOS, it lacks the polish and attention to detail, not to mention build quality/materials.

      • vali.d

        android and build quality/materials?

      • Anonymous

        Touche, but even on the Nexus phone’s the quality is still substantially lower than an iPhone.

      • http://twitter.com/gorash aaaaaaaaa

        like anyone care about what you say.

      • Anonymous

        Try conjugating that verb next time.

      • Ffffggbf

        fuck you and fuck ios!!!!!! Android is the best!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Lets all agree that you cannot innovate in hardware unless you also OWN the software because Steve Jobs said so.

  • http://geekological.com Vashishtha Jogi

    People have more of a “hate” relationship rather than “love” relationship when it comes to smartphone OS from Microsoft. And I dont see any area where NOKIA would benefit from this “strategic” partnership. Its all Microsoft. The pic above reminds me of the day when Steve Jobs announced an investment by Bill Gates in Apple in 1997. Nokia, you accepted defeat too early! :(

    • Anonymous

      They will benefit, even if that means just not going bankrupt. Going down the Symbian and MeeGo path was a dead end. The decision to go Win is a lifeline they can’t refuse. At least now Nokia can be confident their smartphones will integrate into a huge existing client base. Maybe Windows Media Player will be the iTunes of Nokia hardware.

    • Anonymous

      They will benefit, even if that means just not going bankrupt. Going down the Symbian and MeeGo path was a dead end. The decision to go Win is a lifeline they can’t refuse. At least now Nokia can be confident their smartphones will integrate into a huge existing client base. Maybe Windows Media Player will be the iTunes of Nokia hardware.

  • http://twitter.com/ivanbernat Ivan Bernat

    Nokia’s days as an innovator and leader were over a long time ago.

    • guest

      Now it is, but not over a long time ago. It did have a very innovative product a bit over a year ago – the N900. But let it fall inexplicably (although its still moving quite well with unbelievable community support). With decisions and actions like that, honestly, nokia doesnt deserve much attention.
      I got the N900 back then – the best smartphone/tablet i ever owned/saw/used. Way ahead of its time.

      • http://twitter.com/Polymira Luke Turner

        Extremely innovative product, resistive touchscreen’s are the future!

      • Anonymous

        WP7 is more innovative than Android.

        Android is just a cheap copycat of iOS.

      • Android_users_are_FAT_GEEKS

        I must be off my meds again. . . what I ment to say wasy. . .

        Apple copied Xerox for the Mac (Xerox Parc & Xerox Star), Apple copied LG’s Prada Phone to make the iPhone, and Apple uses Open BSD to make OS X. . . they haven’t innovated anything ever–stolen, yes; copied, yes; innovated? Nope!

      • Anonymous

        The Prada phone really doesnt look much like the iPhone. The industrial design is significantly different.

      • Anonymous

        Dude the LG Prada phone came out in 2007 a few months before the first iPhone, you really think they completely created the first iPhone in those months? It took them years, there is no way that the LG Prada phone had any impact. It’s just conspiracy theorist nonsense.

      • Trend_Spotter

        You are so full of BS!

        Educate yourself:

        1. Apple did not rip off Xerox Parc.

        To sum – Apple paid for access to Xerox Parc’s tech, Xerox Parc saw they had missed a market opportunity that Apple had seen (but they were an R&D outfit unappreciated by their own company, so go figure), and decided to take legal action, which was dismissed in court due Apple having legal right to access some of Xerox Parc’s tech.
        Read the full version here:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PARC_%28company%29

        On the other hand – MS did rip off Apple without any legal agreement to be ‘inspired’ by their tech – they sucked info from Apple software engineers while developing apps for Apple machines and reversed engineered everything Apple made that they could.
        Go find the story of Gates asking Jobs and his engineers at a demo of the Apple II how the cursor was rendered on the screen, and you’ll have learned a bit of real history.

        2. The iPhone could not possibly be ripped from the LG’s Prada.
        The latter came out only a few months before the iPhone, which had been in development for at least 2 years before then, and the first iPhone batch was in the factories being made when the LG Prada was released to market.

        3. OS X uses parts of several BSDs. It’s what makes it so robust and awesome! Idiot!!!
        Mac OS X is based upon the XNU kernel. XNU’s Mach component is based on Mach 3.0. XNU’s BSD component uses FreeBSD as the primary reference codebase (although some code might be traced to other BSDs).

        4. Apple has innovated more than Dell etc.
        Go educate yourself by reading about early Apple history with photos of early GUI dev here:
        http://www.folklore.org/index.py
        and ask yourself why HP is copying tablet to monitor to keyboard designs from Apple…

        Apple’s ability as a commercial entity to use open source and contribute it back (Darwin, WebKit, GrandCentral, etc) is one of its primary strengths, and something that most Apple product using dev’s love. Knocking this only shows what an idiot ignorant noob you really are.

        As a developer I dig OS X for being a rock solid unix derived OS, ability to use all the free open source tools I need, a a GUI that any linux distro would be proud to have, and Apple’s almost huge rewrite of KHTML to WebKit and push to make it an open standard that has enabled Google’s Chrome browser and many competitors web browsers, which use WebKit as their HTML rendering engine and ultimately make it a de facto standard that’s easier for me to develop for.

        So quite the BS on this forum!

        It’s clear you have never actually used OS X and know almost nothing about the history of Apple.

        But go figure – you are a troll – not a developer or someone that ever does more than click a pretty Windoz icon or manage memory sucking apps on an Android device with a task manager.

      • Jérémie Clos

        To quote the ancient wisdom,
        ” saying mac osx has ‘the power of unix’ is like putting whippets in your glovebox then saying your car has ‘the power of nitrous'”

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Justin-Hassler/526348941 Justin Hassler

        Haven’t innovated anything ever? The list of Apple innovations and inventions is quite long.

      • http://twitter.com/hurhurhurhurhuh I was prostitutioned

        can you draw me a picture of your comment on your cell phone?

      • Svdwal

        The N900 was rubbish. Best nokia phone was the 9500, with the e71 a close second.

    • Anonymous

      if Nokia used Android they’d just be another 2nd rate race-to-the-bottom smartphone manufacturer like Samsung, HTC, Motorola.

      • Android_users_are_FAT_GEEKS

        woops. . . there I go again. . . forgetting my meds. . . .

        I meant, if the used Android they would be back to #1 instantly.

      • Anonymous

        saying you have you forgot your meds is played out, i want to see you trying out at least one of two new literary devices to convey sarcasm by the end of the week…

  • http://www.digitalundivide.com/music---listen-to-select-songs donfelipe

    Competitors need to understand that the train is coming and they should get out the way if they don’t want to get crushed. The Nokia-Microsoft force will stifle many competitors.

    • http://twitter.com/crowdcomputing Crowd Computing

      Um…no.

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  • http://twitter.com/MaggieL Maggie Leber

    Nokia : MSFT :: Yahoo : Bing

    This is true.

    But what does that say about TC : AOL? :-)

  • MobileGuru

    Absolutely wrong… you are completely discounting that Nokia has 000’s of hw engineers, and only 00’s of sw engineers. The disruption that happened in the mobile market was sw displaced hw, and Nokia was on the wrong end as hw become more and more commoditized (until Apple showed that hw married tightly w/sw was the big step forward).

    This is Intel/MSFT all over again. Nokia will own the chassis specifications, MSFT will do the software platform. If they can get this working they can produce families of devices bringing together the best of both worlds.

    Expect Windows Phone 7 device proliferation based on Nokia hw designs, but with a common OS, app marketplace, and user interface (something Nokia was never able to do on their own).

    • http://twitter.com/crowdcomputing Crowd Computing

      The difference is that Intel/MSFT was the disruptive force at the time; now Nokia and MSFT have a lot of market and perception baggage, and both have already failed to win on their own.

      Nokia will be at best selling 10-15% of all smartphones when they ship a WP7 device, and given the high hardware requirements that will initially have to be their high end device(s) ….a market segment where they’ve already ceded even more of their share. I don’t know what MSFT is paying Nokia, but it seems like at best they will get is an extra 2-3% market share a in Q4 2011/Q1 2012, with a chance to build on Nokia’s hardware experience if the early products meet with some sales success.

      • http://mmomarket.org MMO Market

        “high hardware requirements that will initially have to be their high end device(s) ….a market segment where they’ve already ceded even more of their share.”

        Nokia has always built great hardware. High hardware reqs wont be a problem.

        They have some of the if not THE best build quality around. I have a Blackberry and a 3gs thats had to be replaced a couple times but my nokia 6800 from high school is still alive kicking and getting crystal clear reception in places both my blackberry and iphone fall off.

        I find smartphone makers don’t build to make it last, but instead build to have you buy again.

        Oh and nokia puts awesome cameras on their phones.

        I think the wp7 and nokia matchup will produce some of the easiest to use long lasting phones ever made.

      • http://twitter.com/crowdcomputing Crowd Computing

        You’re missing my point; it’s well known that Nokia makes great hardware. The problem is that their market share and distribution channels are no longer in the high end. Nokia is selling out their developers, their nationalistic pride (don’t count that out as a factor in European market share) and announcing the EOL of Symbian. They are taking on an expensive mobile OS to license that has high hardware requirements and so will not be cheap to sell. Basically their global distribution system will be in tatters by the time they ship a WP7 device, and their low cost devices will be devoured even faster by low cost Android devices (and a possible low cost iOS device), robbing them of their economies of manufacturing scale.

        So my point is they are nothing like MSFT/Intel at the beginning of the PC wars. They are two companies that already lost once and are trying to force an imperfect marriage in an attempt to stay relevant. Moreover, Nokia is selling out most of their remaining strengths to even try. It’s hard to understand how they benefited themselves by announcing this so far before they’d have a product ready to ship; it makes the HP webOS product announcements look positively close, and if their hardware quality is to become their main brand, it’s hard to see why they wouldn’t make WP7 and Android phones.

        I’m sure the first Nokia/WP7 device for the holiday 2011 season will be a very sexy piece of kit, it’s just hard to see that many people will care by then.

  • Anonymous

    Sometime in the not too distant future, the remains of Nokia will be sold to a Chinese no-name phone company looking for a good brand-name. Like Volvo in cars or ThinkPad in laptops.

  • Amir

    I am wondering why nokia is lagging behind in software with so many trolls. I think CEO has taken a decision early he could wait for meego and Qt is there with so many developers to build the ecosystem. This decision is not good for Nokia and innovators inside it.

  • sri

    very sad but true.

  • http://twitter.com/don_afrim Don_Afrim

    I think what Nokia has done is give up in the whole smart phone war. Windows in phones will not sell. Put lipstick on pig all you want but at the end of the day its still a pig. Same thing with WinMo. I see Nokia at about 5% market share now. This Elop guy really sold Nokia for free to Microsoft.

  • http://twitter.com/don_afrim Don_Afrim

    I think what Nokia has done is give up in the whole smart phone war. Windows in phones will not sell. Put lipstick on pig all you want but at the end of the day its still a pig. Same thing with WinMo. I see Nokia at about 5% market share now. This Elop guy really sold Nokia for free to Microsoft.

  • http://twitter.com/don_afrim Don_Afrim

    I think what Nokia has done is give up in the whole smart phone war. Windows in phones will not sell. Put lipstick on pig all you want but at the end of the day its still a pig. Same thing with WinMo. I see Nokia at about 5% market share now. This Elop guy really sold Nokia for free to Microsoft.

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  • http://twitter.com/matthewcp matthewcp

    More like Palm Microsoft.

  • Anonymous

    This is a classic MS move, taking over a company without costing them a dime. Just like what they did on Yahoo.

    Yahoo powered by Bing powered by Google. genius!

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