• Meetup feels the wrath of the crowd after radical changes

    Saturday, January 29th, 2011

    Mike Butcher is the European Editor for TechCrunch. A former grunge rock drummer, he became a long time journalist, and has since written for UK national newspapers and magazines including The Financial Times, The Guardian, The Times, The Daily Telegraph and The New Statesman. Mike is also a co-founder and shareholder of TechHub, a co-working space/service/community with several locations... → Learn More

    Meetup, a long time go-to place to create local online groups, has undergone a major re-launch in the past day. However, it may have missed a trick: not consulting the meetup organizers who pay through the nose for the service. There now appears to be something of a revolt going on amongst some organisers, who are vociferously protesting about the changes.

    The reaction of annoyed organisers and members has turned into two, count-em, Twitter hashtags: #newmeetup and #meetuporganizersunite.

    Alternatives to Meetup like BigTent are being touted, as is GroupSpaces – a startup which last year raised $1.3 million from the likes of Index Ventures and Angels like Dave McClure and Chris Sacca. It is is already gunning for “FormerMeetupOrganizers” with its own group and a blog post on the subject.

    Meetup users are also a little annoyed about the site possibly closing discussion threads discussing the changes and a Facebook page titled “Mark Zuckerberg, help! Please create Meetup event functionality on FB” has been set up.

    Now some organizers are now blogging about alternatives and it’s significant that an arts and craft meetup organiser, typical of the average Meetup groups, is thinking of going elsewhere.

    The complaints appear to be about the new layout, the design (“truly tacky and cheap looking” says one organiser), the downgrading of photos, and the fact that anymeetup member of a group can now organise an event. Normally that would be fine, right? Except it rather removes the point of an lead organiser paying the monthly subscription fee.

    A one writes: “I did everything I was supposed to. I built a successful group that is of benefit to many people, to the community, and represents the Meetup idea well. And, still, it’s been damaged and diminished by forces outside my control.”

    Meetup appears to have made more of its ‘sponsors’, which offer 10% off local coupons (a la Foursquare or Groupon), but complainers say these bear little relation to the groups themselves.

    So far Meetup says there are no plans to revert back to the old version of Meetup.

    Now, of course, it’s often the case that long-time users of a site might complain – remember when Facebook created news feeds? Meetup appears to be radically shifting towards a more Web 2.0-ish approach where there is no one single meetup leader, any member can suggest a meetup, and things are just supposed to bubble up from the crowd. Borrowing from Plancast, Meetup is now using “Count me in” instead of RSVP. But the fact that maps are replacing photos is also concerning members, since these might reveal some people’s home addresses.

    As GreenTechGirl blogs, organisers “don’t want their Meetup turned into a Twitter feed or a Facebook page.”

    Let us know what you think of the Meetup changes in the comments.

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    • Dee

      As a group orginzer who uses meetup.com – I like the changes!!!

    • Hello

      there’s usually a revolt when a website changes its design

    • http://twitter.com/DeWayneLehman DeWayne Lehman

      $19 a month was too costly for the functionality that I just didn’t need for my group.

    • http://twitter.com/upright Brent

      As an Internet nerd who has experienced significant user backlash on sites that make even minor changes without first consulting the people who populate the site — that was a way stupid thing to do, Meetup.

    • http://twitter.com/upright Brent

      As an Internet nerd who has experienced significant user backlash on sites that make even minor changes without first consulting the people who populate the site — that was a way stupid thing to do, Meetup.

    • http://sidburgess.com Sid Burgess

      I too love the changes. Good job Meetup.

    • http://twitter.com/DeWayneLehman DeWayne Lehman

      I was paying $19 a month, and honestly, it just wasn’t worth it for the small group was running at no cost to other members. We created a FB group page, and that was that. I quit just before the changes after long consideration. But if it is true that any member can now create events, that would have made me quit immediately. If I PAY, then I CONTROL. It’s as simple as that. If I pay for a group, any group, on any site, then I control members, events, widgets people use, moderation of comments and forums, etc. If I can’t control that, I won’t pay. And I think most organizers would agree with that. I run my own website and domain for less than a Meetup group, and I have “god-like” control there over everything. When anybody regardless of skills can go to GoDaddy or SquareSpace and create a fully functioning site cheaper and have full control with point and click design, only the foolish would pay more for less that is actually harder to maintain.

    • milrtime83

      People just like to complain when there is change. It happens all the time.

    • http://www.bauser.com Michael Bauser

      I’m an assistant organizer of a meetup in Detroit, so I pop into the Meetup Organizer forums from time to time. One thing I’ve learned: Meetup Organizers rival Wikipedia editors for the title of Internet’s Biggest Control Freaks. They overreact to everything.

      They especially overreact out about changes that encourage users to take action (like suggesting a meetup) without moderator approval. Every time Meetup adds a user-centric feature, their blog is attacked by organizers demanding the ability to turn it off, and threatening to quit Meetup.

      Meetup always ignores those complaints, and you should, too.

    • Andres

      The Google Maps do not reveal the exact location of a Meetup to people who are not members of the Meetup Group. Privacy settings on Meetup remain exactly the same. If you are not a group member they are zoomed out to the city level (it’ll show Chicago not 123 Lakeshore Dr).

      Also important to note that options to crowdsource Meetups can be turned off for Meetup Groups that would rather have the organizers plan all the Meetups.

      You see more about how it works here: http://meetupblog.meetup.com/2011/01/new-meetup.html

      - Andres Glusman
      VP, Meetup

    • Andres

      The Google Maps do not reveal the exact location of a Meetup to people who are not members of the Meetup Group. Privacy settings on Meetup remain exactly the same. If you are not a group member they are zoomed out to the city level (it’ll show Chicago not 123 Lakeshore Dr).

      Also important to note that options to crowdsource Meetups can be turned off for Meetup Groups that would rather have the organizers plan all the Meetups.

      You see more about how it works here: http://meetupblog.meetup.com/2

      - Andres Glusman
      VP, Meetup

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    • Onizukajwb

      I think you are missing the point Sid. The majority of us “Organizers” who use pay to use meetup.com do not like the changes or the way they were dumped on us without warning. It was a bone-headed move to make such drastic changes without consulting paying customers. The general idea of a more streamlined interface, and finding ways to involve more members in the meetup event process are both good ideas. However, the idea of replacing/removing features that current organizers use to run successful meetups willy nilly without any regards for their opinions just sucks. I know of very few organizers or members for that matter who feel the way you do about it. Yet, we are supposed to sit back and take it because a very small minority think it is a good idea. Get real!

      Yeah, great job meetup for completely alienating your customer base and making Meetup look like someone vomited up a layout overnight drinking spree!

    • David D.

      As a member and co-organizer of various Meetup groups, the recent redesign has left some gaping holes in the business model. There’s now no point in organizers paying a monthly fee of $12-19 when anyone can post an event. I would welcome the changes (except for the Google maps showing home addresses) if the monthly organizer fee were discontinued. Otherwise I’ll be out there suggesting alternative sites to my friends and associates.

    • http://twitter.com/elqhomewood ELQ Homewood

      Guess they just had to get in on the fad and go Facebook with it..I don’t like it because nothing’s where I expect it to be, but I’ll live..if we really HATE it, we could always just make one of our own.

    • http://sidburgess.com Sid Burgess

      Onizukajwb,

      First, I am an organizer. I have been using Meetup since 2007; so I am not a newcomer to the platform.

      Second, where is your proof that a “majority” of all organizers do not like the changes? I know several and all of them like the changes. In my experience, the vast majority of them do. They have been making changes, well since they started and I haven’t once been disappointed. This time they chose to release more changes than usual.

      Next, they did most certainly test it on users. You just were not part of that group. Sorry, tough luck.

      Have you ever been consulted by a company before they make changes to their product? It is odd, Chevrolet didn’t call me to ask me if they should change the way my back seat folds down. BOY AM I PISSED!! /sarcasm

      Well, they didn’t alienate their base. Tens of thousands of Meetups are going to occur this weekend.

      Did they make some people upset? Sure did. Is that avoidable… well, not as long as some people are allowed on the internet. Were all the changes they made great? Probably not, but they certainly were not “willy nilly”. You are making accusations that are quite false.

      Again, well done Meetup. I really do enjoy some of the new changes. Keep it up!

    • Scott

      Web User Motto: All change sucks … until you get used to it and its awesome … but then any changes to that suck!

    • Jasper

      I just created a group on Big Tent called “Fuck”

    • http://www.trishtech.com/ Trisha P.

      Actually, I have seen many people are moving to Facebook where you can start a group for free if you can handle all the organizing yourself.

    • Jill

      I’m a meetup organizer and I’m very unhappy with these changes for some very specific reasons, that have nothing to do with the fact that they are simply changes. There are real functionality and usability failures. For example:

      - Photos for events have been replaced by maps. For a photography or hiking site, this is disaster.
      - Every change to an event gets a wall post. This means if you correct a spelling error, it gets logged. Because of the way the events are displayed with all of their “wall posts”, it takes ages to scroll down to events.
      - People can’t post comments with their RSVP anymore. This is very useful for people communicating with each other.
      - The greeting that automatically goes out to new members sounds childish “Don’t flake out!” it says. That is inappropriate for a business-oriented group, but we have no choice.
      - The RSVP “Yes” and “No” have been replaced with “Count me In” and “No Thanks.” This too sets a tone that is not always wanted or appropriate.
      - Ideas were very helpful in brainstorming about new events. But, now an idea is an “event in the making” and appears as an upcoming event, even when its just a “thought.” There have been reports of people being confused about whether an event is actually occurring or not.
      - Organizers, who pay up to $144/yr for the site are now listed as “Helpers”
      - The font is light gray on a dark gray or green background — this is hard to see.

      These are just a few examples, and they’re enough to make me and many others want and try to leave Meetup. I have created an alternative page on GroupSpaces and I’ll switch in one week if Meetup doesn’t address these very real functionality issues.

      The other problem is that these changes were made one-fine-day, without any notice to organizers. And, Meetup’s response to Organizer concerns and frustrations has been terrible (ignoring, closing discussion threads, banning organizers — even when discussion has been respectful).

      If you’re curious to see more, check out:
      http://www.meetup.com/boards/thread/10358683
      http://meetup.uservoice.com/forums/37079-ideas-and-suggestions-for-meetup/suggestions/1417609-please-give-organizers-the-ability-to-restore-the-?ref=title

    • Tylenol7

      Sid – The Proof is on The Forums at meetup – its a closed thread that had over 7000 views and 70 pages of Organizers letting meetup know how much they hate the new home page, I have had a group fro 2 years, Its a Photography Group – unfortunately I am now unable to attach Photos to my meetups – please take a moment to research before you think that people like the change, I suspect you work for HQ – as I have not seen one perosn on the forums that likes the changes.

    • Dubnorix

      We are a group of rock climbers, and all the organizers are trained and experienced in taking people (also newbies) outdoors. Now, also newbies can organize a climbing trip, under the name of our group.
      What is someone gets hurt (or even dies) during one of these meetups organized by inexperienced people? Who’s going to be responsible? The organizer? The group? or the stupid people from Meetup HQ who allowed him to do so?

      What a stupid, stupid thing to do.

      Oh, and they way they said – changes are done, suck it up and keep paying us – is simply disgusting. Do they know we pay (paid??) for their salary?

      Now we are actively looking for another place to organize our group.

    • boot

      check out what the Organizers are saying/writing (before Meetup deletes more of their comments) at http://www.meetup.com/boards/forum/203829/

    • Tylenol7

      Correction – 57 Pages – 13,000 views – all in about 6 hours

    • http://sidburgess.com Sid Burgess

      Nope, don’t work for HQ. I didn’t say that there aren’t people that don’t like it. Do you not realize that there were hundreds, if not thousands of groups on Facebook complaining about the changes at Facebook? Heck, over 30k people signed up to “quit” Facebook.

      Look, I am not here to convince you to like it. I simply stated that I liked it, was attacked and then tried to be forced to believe lies. I stated the FACTS and that is that. If you don’t like the changes, I encourage you to try another platform. Don’t piss on those of us that do like it. We are happy to pay them to continue to do what they are doing.

    • madmeetuporganizer

      Sid, are you serious? You must be oblivious to the twitter insanity right now regarding this issue, just search #newmeetup #duesstrike. Or perhaps read the 200+ complaints on their Facebook page? Or any of the threads on the meetup organizer’s forum – oh, wait, sorry, meetup keeps closing the threads. And they shut down their customer service phones today. Great job, meetup!

    • Tylenol7

      Sid – last I checked – Facebook was free, I pay for Meetup

    • Blahblah

      The bubble’s gonna burst eventually — these web 2.0 companies with the technology that a group of college cs majors can make in 2 weeks with lots of pizza, will see that they can be replaced AT WILL by others.

      May the bubble burst soon, please.

    • Tylenol7

      Oh and Sid – You are a Assistant Organizer as far as I can see, why did you say you were a Organizer?

    • http://www.meetingwave.com/ jb

      First time I’ve heard of Big Tent. It mentions it’s free. Thanks for the tip.

      Meetup used to be free and caught flack when started charging but seems to have worked out. Sounds like they may have to backpaddle on some changes (“reveal some people’s home addresses”) but most changes cause some complaints.

    • http://sidburgess.com Sid Burgess

      Lol, you guys are priceless. I have been an organizer several times.

      Keep digging… this isn’t my first rodeo.

    • BH

      I have written enough about this horrible #newmeetup, our group has been thinking of having our own site and then EventBrite for organising events and Meetup’s changes and just push us that way.

      Meetup has never been perfect for us but now it’s bad enough for us to leave – the arrogance of the meetup HQ is also a disgrace.

    • http://sidburgess.com Sid Burgess

      Nope, I just ignore every fleeting group of complainers that ascends on every website that changes anything. Maybe all your calls will have the desired affect. I for one don’t want them to change things, but hey, that’s me.

    • Tim76239

      After complaining on online post it seems that upset organizers are referred to as “trolls” by the arrogant mangement. I find this insulting and I have pulled my auto pay.
      It seems big tent or groupspaces may be my alternative.

    • Tim76239

      Your Admin Andrea still called upset customers “trolls” explain that. Is this how you think we should be treated. This company has treated this entire affair with total disdain for the customers who pay for the service. You fixed what didn’t need fixing and talk to your organizers who are upset like we are just silly children…or crazy internet “trolls”. Well I pulled my funding and I will be moving somewhere else. I will remember this and I will “troll” every forum till hell freezes over telling everyone just how arrogant and uncaring MeetUp management is.

    • Tim76239

      Oh, so calling the organizers trolls is ok? Over react…assistant organizer do you pay the bill? Do you supply the roof over the meetups head, electricity to keep the lights on?

    • Tim76239

      Look at the numbers for proof, and they did piss off theri base…..your a plant for Meet UP Management

    • Onizukajwb

      Okay well, perhaps “willy nilly” was not the right word for it. However, I doesn’t make sense to make these changes when they did in fact alienate and upset an “an overwhelming portion” of paying customers. As far as the “majority” comment I was referring to the overwhelming majority of comments on the message board that were unhappy with the changes (as compared to your anecdote about “several” people you know who like it).

      Perhaps my comments were somewhat aggressive in tone (due to my inability to understand why meetup would make these changes without better research in how it affect their paying users).

      However, yours most certainly came off snide and condescending and rather ridiculous ( making you appear to be some kind of jerk). I hope this is not true though and you are read worse than you are and would like to give you the benefit of the doubt. However, comments you made really make me wonder.

      As far as not being part of a test group, I suppose you or your friends who actually like the changes were? If so it seems interesting that they chose people who are such die-hard supporters. In my opinion, they should have giving everyone an opportunity to try it out to gauge the response and work out bugs before going live on everyone. Just saying.

      Also, what do you mean by “not as long as some people are allowed on the internet”. Wow, that is really arrogant and elitist bro. Everyone should be entitled to have access to information and inform others as to their views and the best ones should win out in the free marketplace of ideas. Everything else will end up on the ash heap of history.

      I hope I am not right, but you certainly come across as one of those people who think their ideas and thoughts are best for people and if they just accept it then they will be better off (despite what the majority wants).

      Nonetheless, Sid you are free to your opinion, however I really do believe you are in the minority (based on observing how such a large number of responses are in fact critical of the new layout).

      By the way, I have supported all of the previous changes in meetup and did assume the new ones were mostly going to be positive and not going to be bad enough to affect me in any meaningful way. That was before I got a chance to look at them in depth.

    • Alienated by Meetup

      Mr. Glusman,

      You should be aware that under certain conditions Google Maps is inaccurate. Now, because “New Meetup” made the maps are SO prominent, and not removable, it will be a huge hassle for me as an organizer to continually have to deal with Meetup participants being led astray. Not that you are inclined to care, I’m sure that addition of these Google Maps plastered all over the “New Meetup” pages is earning you a pretty penny, or two, or three.

      P.S. And this is just one of the MANY functionality issues associated with “New Meetup.”

    • Dis Gruntled

      This is a Classic Coke situation. Problem is, I doubt many of the Meetup team are old enough to know about what happened to Coke when some bright spark decided to change that most popular of beverages. Coke had to back away from that boneheaded idea and it’s been a business case – of how NOT to run a product line – ever since. If they’re smart, the dev team will restore the old format. It makes no sense to have a product that’s well-liked and then change it so that all its fans dislike it.

    • Jimbo the troll whisperer

      When you keep yammering on in comment after comment after tedious comment about being called a troll and vow to continue trolling “until hell freezes over” you have indicated that you actually are a “troll” after all.

      If you don’t like the service, quit and find and alternate.

      What is it about the internet that gives people such a sense of entitlement? Freakin’ crybaby troll, get over it.

    • Dis Gruntled

      Andres, you’re not getting it. The new format is horrible. And saying that only Meetup Group members get to see the location is missing the point entirely. It is an ugly interface now. It is not inviting. If you had studied good business practices, you’d know that customer satisfaction is primo. Business 101: Don’t Tick Off the Customer. MU’s grade: EPIC FAIL.

    • Rakesh

      Replacing photographs with maps was simply idiotic. For nearly every group that I participate in, as a member or as assistant organizer, the map now shows the carpool point, rather than the destination, which is pure idiocy.

      One of the groups I’m an assistant organizer in requires leaders to be certified — enabling every member to basically create events is not merely idiotic, it’s entirely unacceptable.

      The irony here is that just last week I was talking to someone who said that Meetup was spending its VC money on improving the service rather than on advertising; clearly, it’s been spending its money unwisely, if improving the service is their aim.

      Maybe, since the VC’s have been dumping large wads of cash on Meetup, they should hire competent engineers and UX designers instead of code-monkeys fresh out of college.

    • http://twitter.com/jloft Jason Loftis

      It looks like there’s a lot wrong with the new user experience at Meetup. But according to their blog, an organizer may turn-off the ability for group members to plan events by turning off the “meetups in the making” option under Group settings. Apparently the new option defaulted to on with the new launch.

      http://meetupblog.meetup.com/2011/01/new-meetup.html

    • Anonymous

      I think you’re being attacked because it’s hard to believe that with all the 60+ changes all at once you can say you like everything. It’s also politics. If you show support for meetup then people who are asking for change wouldn’t get it because meetup can just say “hey we have people who like it too.” Anyway, in my case I’m not going to attack you since I get that there will be some people who will like it not not.

      In my view though I don’t like how meetup implemented the site. With the 60+ changes organizers are playing catchup and are even shocked with the changes. We used to run the site differently before. With the changes, we are still figuring out the changes and rethinking how we do things and we still are. Worst of, some of these changes we have no option of changing such as the wording of “don’t flake.” And that is frustrating for me and many of the other organizers.

      It’s really hard to determine the number of people of who are displeased with meetup but if this is an indication http://meetup.uservoice.com/forums/37079-ideas-and-suggestions-for-meetup/suggestions/1417609-please-give-organizers-the-ability-to-restore-the-?ref=title then it may be really big (since we’re not even considering members here)…but who knows.

    • Emily

      I might consider something like GoDaddy or SquareSpace, but the thing I can’t get without a site like Meetup is members. Any member who indicates interest in a French-speaking group gets emailed by Meetup about the existence of my French group. I don’t know what the user base of sites like groupspaces and bigtent are, but if they are sizeable, I may go there. Right now I’m waiting to see how Meetup responds to all the complaints, if they give us back any of the features they just stole from us, and also to see what other organizers do. If I decide to move, I will have to see if my members will follow me to another site.

    • ~k~

      The “thing” is…we pay for our groups, it’s NOT a free site. We should have the say on many items. Example below..

      This is what meetup.com is automaticaly putting on an email that goes out to any new members of every single group. This is my group…how dare they “welcome” a member…if you can even call it that….

      “As a member of this group, you’re expected to…

      Participate
      Go to Meetups, take part in planning a Meetup, make suggestions for venues, time, date and things to do, take photos and upload them, rate and review Meetups that you’ve gone to.

      Don’t flake
      If you say you’re going, you should go. Other people see you’re going and expect you there. If plans change and you can’t make it, make sure to let people know you can’t go.”

    • Josh

      It’s not the complaining that gets people labeled as trolls. It is the manner in which they are doing so. As a meetup organizer myself, I am not too happy with all of the changes. However, I would never say some of the things that have been said. And I have even received an harassing message because I was trying to help figure out how to use the new interface that we are apparently stuck with.

      Some people are simply complaining. Others are being rightfully banned as trolls.

    • Emily

      Will never get use to how meetup has bulldozed their site and my group. At the VERY LEAST I would have to get event photo capability back to even CONSIDER staying.

    • Tim76239

      Facebook didn’t charge $45.00 every quarter

    • Josh

      The reason you haven’t seen anyone that likes the changes on the forum is because they aren’t there complaining. The few that are there trying to figure things out, like me, get harassed. But I bet you didn’t see that either.

      It amazing how so many people can’t understand that there are some people that either like the changes or simply aren’t that upset about it and are willing to figure it out and move on, just like the last round of changes.

    • Emily

      Such a good point you make. I can relate what you say even to my group, albeit with nothing like the danger that could result in the case of your group under the New Meetup. My group is an intermediate- to advanced-level French group; I make a very serious effort as a non-native French speaker to post events using grammatically correct French because without that, what’s the point, when most of my users want to improve their French and speak it correctly? Well, many of my members are not at my level of French and would not in a million years take the time I take to write correct French, in which case I don’t want them to create the events.

    • Rbb

      As an organizer of two groups at meetup.com I’m just going to switch my groups over to a couple of Drupal portals and move on. Meetup can do whatever they want with their software, it’s just not a fit for us any more. I don’t mind keeping my money in my own pocket.

    • An organizer

      Maybe, Andres, but if we turn off the functionality we can no longer get Ideas from our members. Can we have Ideas back, then, if we choose to turn off
      Meetup in the making”? (My only problem with the Ideas feature was that some of my members were using it as a way to advertise their own private events without paying any of my Meetup dues, which made their advertising possible to my group members. However, in that case, I just deleted their ideas, so it was doable.)

    • When

      Your article greatly minimizes the outrage being voiced by the organizers, the people that built Meetup.com with their memberships and hard work. Meetup.com has betrayed the people who were most loyal to them by leveling the villages these dedicated hard working people built. Organizers are canceling due renewals in droves and moving to ther sites.

      NEW MEETUP.COM is dilusional that people are just a little unhappy about the change. They lost the trust of the the people. They betrayed and stole what rightfully belongs to the people that paid for thier service.

      BOYCOTT MEETUP.COM!!!!

    • Emily

      I would not welcome the changes, even if the organizer fee were discontinued because the reason I created my group was for my own creative outlet, to set up and run a group as I wished, and to be able to be a group leader. This is what makes it pleasurable for me and what makes it worth it (although barely) to pay the relatively high cost of organizing through Meetup. There are plenty of other groups with the same focus as mine within 25 miles of mine; if all my members can create events, then there would be no point to the group because the events they post will be similar to other events in similar groups. What makes my group special is the time I take to create a variety of different types of events, all involving French speaking or French culture in some way.

    • Gerard

      Its very dangerous to allow unknown people to post events. Just think of the legal implications for a group that does hill walking, rock climbing or mountain biking. The legal implications if this alone should have been flagged by meetups management.

      The inability of meetup’s management to deal with criticism, deletion of critical forum posts and occasional lack of good communication is something that was mentioned to me a number of years ago when I first joined meetup. Sadly over time it seems these viewpoints have been bourne out by incidents such as the “new format” debacle.

      In general very few people tend like change but almost everyone dislikes sudden unannounced change with little effort made to explain it. Having worked in mental health I’ve experienced similar behaviour from people clinically diagnosed with suffering a ‘personality disorder’. The usual cycle is: they do what they want, when they want, if challenged try to close down the dialog by escalating the argument beyond the point that communicating is possible, then continue what they were doing.

      I suspect that meetup’s issues with presentation is due to a failing of their top management to develop a communication strategy for engaging with their users. I’ve seen a number of videos where senior meetup staff go to great lengths to impress other web folk as conferences. It’s a pity they don’t put that considerable expertise to good use talking to their paying customers.

      Gerard Earley
      0845 0940 456

    • http://www.facebook.com/Maddman75 James Justice

      Strange. I opened my group’s web page in another browser, logged out, and it showed me a google map leading to my front door.

    • Julie

      Hey Andres, I’m with the other folks. The maps are leading people directly to front doors not general locations. Also, I host hiking events and google maps is wrong 75% of the time, so now you are deliberately misleading members with the maps and there is nothing I can do about it except post in the postage sized editing box I now have “DON’T GO WHERE MEETUP IS LEADING YOU TO” over and over and over…. And don’t get me started on the bugs (forget using meetup on an iPad). And now meetup is making up events and inundating all my members with emails. If you had a note on your calendar like “Time change”, meetup is now sending out an email to your group telling them there is an event scheduled. I am sure the “time change” event will bring them in in droves!

      Any, ANY usability expert would FAIL this design as all your paying customers are doing with even just the basic design 101 issues of unreadable text, distorted user pictures, pages so busy your eyes have no idea where to go, let alone making navigation a nightmare. You want to go in a different direction, fine. Directly to bankrupty will serve you right for so rudely telling your paying customers: “…it’s your prerogative whether Meetup is the right community for your Group. We’re building for the future.” Apparently you don’t care if you have any customers in that future which is remarkably short sighted and sad…..

    • http://twitter.com/GroupSpaces GroupSpaces

      Hi Emily, it’s David, one of the founders of GroupSpaces.

      We have a user-base of over 1 million group memberships and recently wrote a blog post welcoming unhappy Meetup users, explaining what Meetup features we do have, which we don’t but are planning to add and additional functionality which we offer. You can find it here: http://blog.groupspaces.com/a-free-alternative-to-the-new-meetup

      I hope this helps you in finding a new home for your Meetup and if you have any other questions, please feel free to get in touch with us at helpdesk@groupspaces.com

    • Julie

      Agreed, most people don’t like change, but this is different. Full of bugs, not warning organizers they were about to be inundated with emails and complaints since a new format was coming (I got the email about the new format at 1:45PM LONG after the thing has gone live), inundating people with worthless emails, making it completely frustrating for organizers to post events in the postage size editing box they now have, invasion of privacy with maps leading right to people’s doors and map that are WRONG misleading members, distorted user pictures, unreadable text, BUGS BUGS and more BUGS (don’t try using it on an iPad) and that is just the surface issues. We PAY for this service and have been providing meetup with feedback that was COMPLETELY ignored. They have an agenda that is not in touch with their user base and the organic growth meetup has taken and then literally personally insulting their user base that PAYS THEM is inexcusable. Zuckerberg may be an ass, but he is a visionary. meetup….they are just asses.

    • Julie

      Hey Andres, I’m with the other folks. The maps are leading people directly to front doors not general locations. Also, I host hiking events and google maps is wrong 75% of the time, so now you are deliberately misleading members with the maps and there is nothing I can do about it except post in the postage sized editing box I now have “DON’T GO WHERE MEETUP IS LEADING YOU TO” over and over and over…. And don’t get me started on the bugs (forget using meetup on an iPad). And now meetup is making up events and inundating all my members with emails. If you had a note on your calendar like “Time change”, meetup is now sending out an email to your group telling them there is an event scheduled. I am sure the “time change” event will bring them in in droves!

      Any, ANY usability expert would FAIL this design as all your paying customers are doing with even just the basic design 101 issues of unreadable text, distorted user pictures, pages so busy your eyes have no idea where to go, let alone making navigation a nightmare. You want to go in a different direction, fine. Directly to bankrupty will serve you right for so rudely telling your paying customers: “…it’s your prerogative whether Meetup is the right community for your Group. We’re building for the future.” Apparently you don’t care if you have any customers in that future which is remarkably short sighted and sad…..

    • Emily

      But what purpose does it serve to have the Google maps front and center when they were already easily accessible? The give the groups a generic feel. All the groups look the same now. Already I have noticed less traffic on my site because people know there’s nothing interesting to see now.

    • Julie

      I’m sorry, but how long have you worked for meetup?

    • http://www.bauser.com Michael Bauser

      You understand what a lot of organizers don’t. Organizers aren’t paying Meetup just for things like messages boards and calendars, they’re paying for matchmaking. Creating a group on Meetup gives organizers easy access to a userbase of people who are looking for reasons to meet strangers, and presorted by interest and location. Facebook or a stand-alone site won’t have the “warmed up” userbase to recruit from.

    • Anonymous

      The organizers are the ones that make meetup what it is. We plan and execute events. It is our creativity and organization skills that create community. Meetup just provides the platform. Somehow they believe we are their serfs and have the right to push us around. We are customers, we pay the bills so who do they think they are? They make major changes and overnight force them on us. Arrogance knows no name but Scott.

      There dev team is second rate, they put out an inferior product with even beta testing, it is full of bugs. What kind of project manger or CEO would allow that? Think about it, the previous version had all kinds of features and now the home page looks like script kiddies wrote it with HTML 1.0.

    • Emmy G

      The firestorm of protest about the “New Meetup” goes way beyond the usual resistance to change and is not limited to a few control freak organizers. Of the seven Meetup groups I’m a member of, members of four have already complained about the new format.

      Despite thread-closings and bannings, the outcry on Meetup’s discussion boards goes far beyond the complaints about other unwelcome changes by Meetup: http://www.meetup.com/boards/

      On Meetup’s UserVoice voting site, a suggestion to bring back the old format or give organizers the ability to change the new one has received over 4000 votes from over 1600 people, who have collectively posted over 2000 comments:
      http://meetup.uservoice.com/forums/37079-ideas-and-suggestions-for-meetup/suggestions/1417609-please-give-organizers-the-ability-to-restore-the-?page=94&ref=title

      (I’m glad Meetup has so far left this option open rather than “declining” it, as they have done to some other popular suggestions, such as the one to bring back the option for organizers to permit “maybe” responses.)

      An unprecedented number of organizers are considering switching to other sites, which they regard as more responsive to their needs. Meetup would do well to listen to its organizers and members, and to step back from the brink.

    • BRP

      Emily – This is the marketing aspect of the previous Meetup service that I commented on on the GroupSpace page. Prior to the change, Meetup skillfully interwove two services and had struck the right balance:

      1) Marketed to affinity-interested local people
      2) Gave group event management tools

      Meetup seems to have become confused about the relative importance of these two roles in trying to embrace “Web 2.0,” where user-generated content is king. Unfortunately, they also alienated the paying sponsors (the organizers) and simultaneously shifted the focus from the marketing to the events (which are only one aspect of a group’s community). And they did it badly, compounding the error with managerial and customer service arrogance.

      But it does not represent a great opportunity for a competitor, such as GroupSpace, BigTent, or even Facebook.

      If you relied on the marketing features, let both Meetup and GroupSpace know. As nice as the GroupSpace presentation is, it doesn’t yet have these features.

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      Looks like an old habit of Meetup, change policy without consulting its user base. This time however, they are doomed!

    • anothermike

      Meetup has seized control of our group, which we have worked hard to build and turned a fully functional product into a tacky, amateurish, un-navigable, useless site for our purposes.
      We are actively researching other sites and we’re outta here ASAP!!!

      So long Meetup!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/freebiequeen Esty Fay

      I don’t need Meetup to “get” me new members…my group is private and very successful and I don’t want members posting events or even ideas.

      However, I won’t use groupspace cause anyone can have a “group” there….lots of little groups….Meetup was like that for awhile, TOO Many groups, new groups every day. Now more are leaving. I would like to leave too.

      I don’t care at all about Meetups everywhere…. I don’t want meetup intruding on me the way they have. I also don’t want to pay for a group and have a bunch of freeloaders with little groups on a free ride. So thanks but no thanks to Groupsites. I find that Ning won’t work for me as the “topics” and all are not what my Baby Boomer singles group is about. BigTent is not user friendly IMHO

      I am keeping my group, using facebook too….and looking for other better solutions.
      I know they are out there. It will also involve charging members which should be done anyhow. I have long found it such a hyposcrisy that Meetup.com acts as if WE should be “free” and open when they want us to pay as organizers. I have always hated the way Meetup hides the fact that we pay from the “members”. Now they want to pimp us for the lousy $5 to put inane ridiculous “perks” LOL
      Thanks but no thanks….I was offered $$ off a “dog” vacation in New York….oh wow…and twice offered a free happy hour….except it was for a strip club..and I run a group for singles. geeze

    • Bob S

      I’ve read comments about how all change on the internet is met with revolt but users eventually get used to it and except it. This change can’t be compared to changes that were made on facebook and other sites. These organizers are paying dues. How many hours have they collectively spent designing their pages? The organizers have worked hard to brand their meetup groups. Anyone who has worked on a web page knows how much effort it takes to make it look just right. Meetup, with one act has destroyed all that hard work that organizers have put forth. Meetup is extremely short sited and this is going to cost them dearly. I will loyally follow the groups that I have joined when they dump meetup and go elsewhere.

    • Mark Mc Donnell

      I emailed them and told them to fire whoever did this. My meetup group lost half of its content and all of the links were disabled and I had to rebuild everything. Good blogging tools are free and meetup just does not get it. These guys will be bought out or merged or just die. iah d 5 meetup groups and am now down to 2 because the free google or wp blogs plus an email list works just fine

      Mark Mc Donnell
      Dallas Plano Forex Trend Traders Meetup

    • Mark Mc Donnell

      Sorry but their recruiting tools suck.

    • Mark Mc Donnell

      They should have tolled out the changes in small pieces and given the CUSTOMERS the right to use the new layout or old. They didnt, they bulldozed the whole thing and it sucks. Meetup sucks. I complained loudly and no response from them.

    • http://sidburgess.com Sid Burgess

      So, “Get real!” and “willy-nilly” and “bone-headed” and “vomit” and “dumped on” and “sucks” were all just mistakes you made in your response to me? Were they just typos? You actually didn’t mean to say them because, after all that would mean that you were being the aggressor here and that can’t be… Sid is the elitist. A real jerk. Ha! Nice try. How can I rebut what you said without being a little snide? Sorry, I will do my best to not stoop to your level in my replies.

      Next time if you want to have a civil conversation, try leaving out the massive generalizations and the garbage talk and perhaps people wont turn on their heel and snap back. I wasn’t missing the point. [again your claim] Not at all. I have seen the response, been reading the blogs. I am quite satisfied with my opinion on the matter.

      Neither I nor my friends had/have anything to do with meetup. I am not a die-hard supporter. Again, you are drawing conclusions that are not true. I love the new Twitter layout… but I am not a die-hard supporter and is it possible for me to say something positive about the changes without having to have some affiliation? Do you not see/hear the absurdity of what you are saying? With each reply, you make leaping generalizations about meetup and now me.

      My “some people” remark had a simple meaning. There are people that always complain. I know some of them. I can count on their invitation to some “Fail” group every time Facebook changes their UI. I am not implying that you are in that group, but I am implying that it does exist and they are a large portion of the troll crowd that comes out after changes.

      For fear of coming off any more as an elitist and also so I don’t waste anymore of my time, I respectfully give you the win…. or whatever I have to do/say to keep my email inbox from filling up with more absurd accusations.

      I wish you all the best with your organizations/business and hope you find what you are looking for in an application.

      Peace.

    • Susanmdunn

      A serious breach has occurred. Part of the problem is that the original site was so good! It was a place to be proud of your group. My 2 meetups will have to go private if they don’t relent and put back the old site.

    • Meetup is in Distress

      I’ve been a meetup organizer for four years. I organize two successful groups. That they want to change the look and feel of Meetup into something less desirable to most organizers is one thing. But what’s more unappealing is that these changes were implemented without even asking what we, the paying organizers even thought of the platform beforehand. And then once the platform was changed and we tried to voice our legitimate concerns they have canceled threads on their message boards and suspended organizers with good feedback from participating. It’s their way or it’s the highway. They tell us that they are forward thinking and thus don’t need the feedback of existing customers, since we must be backward thinking.

      It’s sad, but this is not the community building company that I signed up with four years ago. I saw Scott Heiferman speak at an organizer event several years ago. He was inspiring telling us how he found his life’s calling to bring people together, to get people out of their homes after work and to actually meet face to face. He was genuninely interested in us organizers. Now it seems they can care less about organizers except for us to pay the bills. They are not community building now, but they are building the platform as more of an event planning tool. (I don’t need a better event planning tool. I don’t a manage a political group that is trying to do massiver spontaneous uprising rallies all over the country. I’m trying to connect with people in my neighborhood. Not that there isn’t a need for that. It’s just far off the mark of local neighborhood community building. The capabilities of the past platform was fine for community building.

      And they seem to be telling us organizers that we need to be more democratic with our groups while they act in a very authoritarian nature with us. Why I don’t know. Most people don’t want to lead anything. They want to show up to whatever is planned. As Seth Godin said in his book ‘Tribes’ ‘We need you to lead’. Well that’s because most people don’t want to lead anything. That being said, I always encourage members to step up and help with organizing, and a small handful of them have and do a good job. There were tools in place before these changes that allowed for that already.

      At any rate, you’d think they were Apple Computer or something the way they’ve become so arrogant. I don’t understand it. Without organizers there is no meetup. Period. I hope they can figure that out before it’s too late.

    • Nyan

      I still do not understand when people compare this to the Facebook or Myspace changes. Those sites are free.

      The argument made about “Chevrolet changing the way the back seat folds down” is irrelevent, since changes made to such products aren’t applied to those already sold and owned. I bet you would be annoyed if they decided to change the way it folds down in your current car and then forced you to comply.

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    • Chrisbrooksbank

      I run a group called shy london with 350 members. I understand emails to new members include a lecture on the requirement to attend meetups and not flake out. This is plain not acceptable to send to people suffering social anxiety and who may face enormous anxiety issues in attending their first meetup. Oh and the new design is just horrible it destroys the sense of community.

    • Anonymous

      I will agree that some organizer reactions are too much. But to imply that all organizers just complain and have no valid issue here is very unfair to us organizers. I have never complained before when meetup rolled out changes to the site but this one is just too big. I wonder as an assistant organizer how much you have invested in your group to not even care for the major changes? Or if you are aware of all the changes such as the inability to remove the lines “don’t flake” in our approval letter.

      As for your other comments, organizers want the option to turn off a feature because they never paid for it. Secondly, they want to control the site/group because it’s our way of preserving and taking care of what we have built up. Let’s look at this in retrospect. If you bought a seed, planted it, took care of it and it eventually becomes a tree that bares a lot of fruits what will you feel if the guy that sold you the seed came and told you what you can and can not do with that tree?

      Finally…you, just like meetup, is an a-hole to simply say ignore the many valid complaints that organizers have. I’m all for dialogue and having a logical discussion but ignore? Yeah – that solves everything in the world don’t it?

    • Chrisbrooksbank

      I met the woman I’m going to marry this summer on meetup. I’ve never been happier in life and a great deal of that came about through meetup. The people I’ve met, the group I run ( shy london ). I’m running a workshop next week via meetup, never run a workshop before.

      Please please fix meetup before my group is forced to move,some of the big groups I love also move and the whole thing just fragments and disintegrates. There’s some very big ( thousand member plus ) groups in london looking to leave soon.

    • http://meetup.com/mywplife Dante

      I am a top 5 WordPress Meetup Group organizer and I posted a video outlining my position on the fact Meetup.com removed the start rating system. It’s on YouTube.com: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bar8BSzdCcQ

    • Tigerlibby

      Awful. I hate it. We are a playgroup, we post events in people’s homes, the google maps and any member creating events is not just tacky and/or rude it’s unsafe. There are too many issues to even list here. We are moving to GroupSites,

    • Tigerlibby

      I love change, I’ve never had any problem with any website changing because the basic functionality was there. Every thing that made meetup great is gone. Mainly the sense of community. They took my money and my hard work and threw it down the tiolet. I suspect you are not a meetup organizer.

    • http://www.TroyDogsLive.com Karen

      Andres:
      as the only HQ person commenting here, I am addressing my remarks to you.
      The changes are not acceptable to many us, as you have seen. I am a SMUG Org. The increasing arrogance & tyranny portrayed by HQ is very unappealing.
      I feel as though MU has taken my ‘baby’ and pitched it out on the NYC trash piles. I supported MU thru other changes, but this one removes too much of what I put into crafting my group.

      Like many others, I’m voting with my wallet. It’s the only thing you folks will understand. Note, once gone, MU will not get us back. And that old phrase about happy people telling one person and unhappy people telling 10? Happening now.
      KL

    • Linda

      I really do enjoy some of the new changes. Keep it up!

      Could you please name 5 of these changes you enjoy. I can’t come up with one.

    • Listerpaul

      ‘Organizers aren’t paying Meetup just for things like messages boards and calendars, they’re paying for matchmaking’ Not in my case.

      I have a group of 700 boardgamers – meetup is just a tool we use. Maybe 5% of members find us through Meetup – the rest from the boardgameing community. I would argue that a lot of boardgamers find Meetup through my community i.e we are doing a meetup a favour. And I am v unhappy with the changes, the lack of cinsultation and the attitute since – so much so that if Meetup don’t restore the old meetup i will use another tool to organise my group and Meetup will be the loser in this

    • Ldpardue

      Meetup is shotting itself in the foot.

    • http://twitter.com/manicmark Marky Mark

      The new meetup fiasco is like watching a train wreck in slow motion. Way to go on killing your business guys.

      I’ll be checking out alternatives like GroupSpaces etc for the groups I run over the next few days.

    • Anonymous

      The number of ill-conceived changes they’ve made is almost too numerous to list here, but the fundamental cause of the problems is easy to identify; Meetup has forgotten that its purpose is to support organizers. Meetup needs to make changes based on what organizers need, not what Meetup thinks humanity needs. It’s a classic case of losing sight of the trees for the forest, caused by the myopia of hubris. Ultimately it’s the organizers who know best how to “change the world” and the generals at Meetup HQ need to listen to the soldiers on the front.

    • Mike

      Chevrolet doesn’t sneak into your garage in the middle of the night and repaint your car neon pink without your permission after you purchased it.

    • http://sidburgess.com Sid Burgess

      You are right, the Chevy analogy was weak. Rather use, Basecamp, Freshbooks, BatchBook. Those are services I pay for and I have never once been asked before they launched new features. The premise that they should consult everyone is flawed. Plain and simple.

    • Candace

      I am sadly disappointed in Meetup. This ‘change as we choose’ attitude without consultation or a Beta test is arrogance and shows a lack of consideration for ALL meetup members.

      For me it speaks to the safety of my members. My group’s activity is mountain biking (don’t laugh -Florida has some difficult trails and we travel, too lol).

      I choose assistants based on their knowledge of the sport and the trails we ride. Also, their personality. Anyone who schedules an event is expected to be responsible for providing as much care, compassion, and assistance as is possible when riding with others. This can be a dangerous sport and often new people are not aware what they are getting into and even experienced riders crash!

      The fact that Meetup made changes without warning AND made the default that ANY member could suggest/schedule an event created a situation where members I don’t know well posted rides that now have others signed up. Another sent an email that he was relocating to Boulder CO, inviting us out that way sometime soon, and suddenly there was a meetup on the calendar for next Wednesday in Boulder! This all happened before I had the opportunity to change the default.

      If they don’t do something, I will start over elsewhere.

    • http://twitter.com/galinahelpme Galina

      I Organize three groups on Meetup.com and pay to do so. This New Meetup transformation is causing a major headache for me. What the …………. where they thinking?

    • http://twitter.com/NYCBizNet ilana eberson

      This whole situation is shocking and I am sickened by the whole upgrade (or downgrade as I see it) of the Meetup platform. I have spent 4 years building a real business of over 8000 business professionals on the Meetup platform. This is a functioning business (driven by leads outside of Meetup too) which has now been totally overhauled by meetup without our consent. Can they do this? Don’t we have some rights since we are paying a monthly fee to use the platform. What is the legality of who owns the group. Meetup or us, the organizers, who have worked hard to build our businesses on their platform.

      A very disappointed organizer of The NYC Business Networking Group
      http://www.thenycbusinessnetworkinggroup.com

    • Haley

      I think what Debnorix posted is such a valid point! We are a moms group with small children, we take our meet ups serious and have quality control on the brain when it comes to our meet ups. Recently we chose to stop having Mom’s Night Out at bars or bar like places because of liability concerns. So now what? Meet-up knows best? Meet-up will take the heat if a carful of moms are over served…… doubtful

    • Meetup is in Distress

      i was inspired when Scott Heiferman came and met us organizers face to face. Now we are not even asked what we think of a new platform. And god forbid if you, their paying customer, actually tells them what you think of it….they don’t like that at all.

    • Meetup is in Distress

      “This ‘change as we choose’ attitude without consultation or a Beta test is arrogance and shows a lack of consideration for ALL meetup members.”

      Sadly Candace it’s all about them. Not about us.

    • Meetup is in Distress

      Yes, Meetup has forgotten one key skill that is needed in any business in any industry: you must listen to your customers.

    • Meetup is in Distress

      …and the head, and the leg, and the fingers……

    • http://www.RohanJayasekera.com/ Rohan Jayasekera

      I suppose you think you’re being “clever” by saying something totally unwarranted like this. But all you’re demonstrating is that you don’t understand that it’s possible for anyone to have an opinion that’s different from yours.

    • Meetup is in Distress

      let’s see we click ‘yes’ for perks and they get $5 a month…and we get in exchange a bill for $19 a month…HA!!

    • Harry Joiner

      Wow: “ANY meetup member of a group can now organize an event …”. Including one of my competitors, who might be lurking in the group? Golly. Can that be??

      Last week I joined Meetup (cost $72 for 6 months) and started two groups to support my recruiting business. With the above changes, any chance that I would seriously use Meetup to build my business is gone.

      Surely there must be Meetup competitors who would like to position themselves as the anti-Meetup. Hello? Please identify yourselves.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=568781549 Will Petz

      Jill – Thanks.. I have been keeping the list up. 73 issues and counting!

      http://www.meetup.com/boards/thread/10358683

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=568781549 Will Petz

      Jill – Thanks.. I have been keeping the list up. 73 issues and counting!

      http://www.meetup.com/boards/thread/10358683

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=568781549 Will Petz

      I have been keeping a list of all the changes/concerns by organizers. I am up to 78 of them.

      http://www.williampetz.com/Meetup.html

    • Larry Zee

      As a meet-up member for 5 years I alkways liked the ability for the organizers to be able to maintain a bit of control over the group. Now that there is “Free Reign” I suspect there will be many groups that will be changing. Even going back to Yahoo Groups to keep there folks together. C’mon Meet-Up don’t become crazy here. It’s not like you’re giving this application for free..

    • Murphnothappy

      Sorry, Scott but that is not true. I work in the IT world and this company has not done their home work on the impact of changes the the user community. If I had gotten this kind of reponse from my customers after an upgrade I would be working on my resume and looking for a new job.

    • Anonymous

      Andres,
      Your link does not work for me

      http://meetupblog.meetup.com/2

    • http://www.jongluck.com Jon Gluck

      SETTLE DOWN ORGANIZERS!!!

      This is just another case of Facebook News Feed hysteria (Remember: The ’06 episode when FB introduced the novel News Feed feature and people cried bloody murder then a month later realized it was a tremendous new feature?). So I say again, settle down Organizers!

      I am the Organizer of a successful business Meetup group in Los Angeles – http://www.meetup.com/businesswarrior. This outrage by the community of Meetup Organizers is rash, ill-informed, and disappointing. Unfortunately, there’s always been a pattern in the online world for people to react and publicly post their thoughts before taking a breather and seeing what is REALLY happening.

      There’s no doubt last week’s Meetup.com site redesign was a big one. But none (not one!) of the changes will harm any Organizer in any meaningful way. Sure, some font colors in relation to the background need to be tweaked and, sure, I don’t appreciate being called an event “helper” rather than “the guy who’s working his butt off to deliver an incredible event experience,” but that’s where my ever so minor issues with the redesign end. And that’s where everyone else’s concerns should end too. The most important thing to know is that Meetup built-in the obvious control capabilities for Organizers to be able to shut off certain new “controversial” features, like “Let members suggest new Meetups.” Some Organizers like the new features and some hate them but as long as we have control over whether to introduce them to our members then there’s really nothing to have issue with, right? Of course the “revolutionists” would have known all this if they kept quiet for a few hours and surfed around a bit before dusting off their digital pitchforks.

      In fairness, I partially blame this overwhelming backlash on Meetup HQ for not reaching out to their most influential Organizers before launching the redesign and for posting an embarrassingly weak “What’s New” notification which inexplicably lacked the full list of changes. Should Meetup HQ be scolded a bit for their lack of strategic prowess? Sure. Is it reason enough to shut down or stop organizing groups on Meetup altogether? Absolutely not.

      Remember, Meetup.com delivers an incredibly powerful service that enables people to connect in ways they were never able to before (just like Facebook deserves similar kudos!). In addition, not one site has been able to duplicate or outdo what Meetup does. Bottomline: Meetup should be given some serious slack and then thanked and thanked again for their commitment to improving our user experience.

      Meetup HQ has some lessons to learn from this episode but none of them have to do with the spirit in which new features were rolled out this past Thursday.

    • Candace

      This is one organizer who is NOT prepared to ‘settle down’! Meetup made more that just minor mistake with this roll out. I would not compare mountain biking or any other extreme sport group to a business or board game group. Groups have different needs and some require stronger controls for safety reasons!

      Being able to ‘shut off’ controls after the fact is NOT good enough. They are simply lucky that none of my members were injured due to someone not chosen by myself as an assistant being allowed to schedule an event!

    • http://lesbianconservative.com/2011/01/29/meetuo-changes-mutiny/ Mutiny Erupts on Meetup |

      [...] Meetup, a long time go-to place to create local online groups, has undergone a major re-launch in the past day. However, it may have missed a trick: not consulting the Meetup organizers who pay through the nose for the service. There now appears to be something of a revolt going on amongst some organisers, who are vociferously protesting about the changes.  TechCrunch [...]

    • Amy

      I agree that allowing “all members” to create meetups is bs. However, you can easily turn this functionality off. I did.

    • jj

      Meetup removed instructions on how to find the group from their website without any advance notice. That is critical user-input data that was dropped with no sensible transition strategy.

    • Sam Chad

      The changes are a complete joke. If anyone can create a meetup it creates a complete shambles of the group. The cosmetic changes cheapen the experience. You can see where meetup want to go – revenue from sponsors and therefore forcing people to accurately map to make adverts relevant etc.
      Shame that the new page doesn’t seem to recognise access via a mobile browser any more.

    • Anonymous

      Mr. Gluck, you most DEFINITELY hold a minority opinion. It is utter pandemonium on the Meetup forums. Absolutely everyone I know HATES the new format — it goes well beyond just a “dislike,” and it has absolutely nothing to do with any “aversion to change” or the like.

      There is no way in hell that everyone is going to settle down and, a month later, realize that this big huge pile o’ FAIL is actually “tremendous new features.” Please. Don’t make me laugh.

      The outrage is not rash, ill-informed, and disappointing. The decision to roll out new changes that no one wanted, without even so much as a beta test and apparently without regard to ANY of the wishes of the users and organizers — THAT was rash, ill-informed and disappointing. By contrast, the outrage is completely understandable under the circumstances.

      “But none (not one!) of the changes will harm any Organizer in any meaningful way,” you say. Wanna bet? I know an organizer of a technical rock-climbing group. He took great care in posting what the group was all about as well as spelling out warnings on the group’s home page. He sometimes organized newbie-friendly rock climbs, but always did so with the greatest of care, with the leadership team functioning as expert trainers, and with the appropriate written liability releases that members had to sign before joining these outings.

      Enter the new Meetup site design, with its feature that allows any member of a group to initiate an unofficial “meetup in the making” which looks virtually identical to an OFFICIAL meetup, and, after a certain number of “I’m going” votes, then actually gets changed automatically into an official meetup. So now here’s this unofficial “idea” from one of the members that is now a real meetup (albeit one that the organizer — you know, the guy that PAYS for the site? — did not organize). And they get together on a rock climb, and something bad happens. Who is responsible? The member that created the meetup? The meetup organizer? The Meetup.com team that put in this feature that allows this to happen and takes control away from the actual organizers?

      Want another example? The Google Maps are front and center and, for meetups that occur in people’s homes, pinpoint the location for all to see, even if the organizer does not want it. Potentially dangerous.

      The Maps aren’t even accurate for most of my groups anyway. We meet at trailheads and specific outdoor places, which are NOT the “in the vicinity but not accurate enough” street locations that Google ends up displaying. This could lead people to the wrong spot. As some meetups happen in pre-dawn hours, that could potentially be dangerous also.

      Get a clue. This goes way, WAY beyond mere font changes and background colors. Thousands upon thousands of complaints on the site in the last two days spell it out for you.

      Goody for you that these are “ever so minor concerns” for you. But you have no business shoving that opinion of the site down people’s throats and dictating that this is the way everyone else should feel too. Because thousands don’t. I honestly have not seen an organizer yet, with the exception of you, that actually likes the new features.

      Hope it makes you feel all superior and everything, calling us knee-jerk “revolutionists” with “digital pitchforks.” What a condescending attitude to have toward people who have very real, well-informed, and very legitimate concerns and negative opinions of the site. Maybe you can go join the dev team at Meetup. They seem to have “condescending” and “elitist” down pat; you’ll fit right in.

      “Remember, Meetup.com deliverED an incredibly powerful service…” There, fixed that for you. Now they deliver a complete mess. And about “not one site” being able to do what Meetup has done? Big Tent comes pretty darn close — and actually looks much better now in comparison to the new Meetup. The competitors do not stand still — this is a great big golden opportunity for one of the other players to step up and blow Meetup off the scene for good.

      I will “thank and thank them again” as soon as they put the old layout back. Which they’ve flat-out refused to do, after making one of the most boneheaded unilaterally-initiated, top-down-bureaucratic major site changes in Internet history. So, guess I won’t be thanking them anytime soon.

      “Meetup HQ has learned some lessons from this experience…” OH REALLY? Do you have some sort of inside line to the Meetup dev and management teams? If so, please do tell. Because all I’ve seen thus far from the admins is a lot of unprofessional rudeness and an almost complete lack of caring about any of the thousands of complaints. Exactly what lessons have they learned? I’m listening.

      This is an utter disaster if there ever was one.

    • http://www.madinmelbourne.com.au/ MADinMelbourne

      IMAGINE IF FACEBOOK MADE 78 CHANGES TO A SERVICE AND DIDN’T LET ADVERTISERS KNOW!!! hhhmmm… would there be a backlash??? I wonder.

      Hey Jon, thanks for your opinion on the ‘hysteria’, there’s almost credibility in your claim for fairness and blame….. until you compare a paying service to a free service. Do you have 3 examples of providers for paid services making changes without giving notice to the their customer base? Any examples with shareholders, investors or even purely an internet customer base will do… when apples are compared with apples, then I might get past your first claim and do as you say, I might settle down.

      Then again I might not.

    • Jerry

      John, you have to be kidding me. You are touting yourself a successful Meetup organizer and telling others to calm down when you have been on Meetup for only a few months and have scheduled 4 events? Try organizing just shy of 700 events with over 1,300 members and then come on and try to tell me to settle down when I am getting constant complaints from my dedicated members. You may like Google maps replacing photos that are meant to draw people into events and tell a message. You may like the fact the organizers are loosing control of a site they are paying for. You may like having new comments that a Meetup has been changed because you corrected a typo. You may like the fact we weren’t event notified about the changes coming. Perhaps that is because you aren’t vested as much as the truly successful Meetup Organizers that have poured their heart and soul into their groups over a number of years.

    • http://www.madinmelbourne.com.au/ MADinMelbourne

      the newbies MIGHT adapt to the newsupposedlysleek look without a problem…. how though will they react when all their hard work and energy gets wiped in an instant????

    • http://www.madinmelbourne.com.au/ MADinMelbourne

      the ‘don’t flake’ thing is a completely insulting embarrassment… for the sender and receiver.

    • http://www.madinmelbourne.com.au/ MADinMelbourne

      inclusive change is how leading edge companies are headed, those that are switched on realise that we now live in a participatory world. Exclusive change, however, simply ages those that force the change….. and shows their true dictatorial colors.

      @MeetUp is supposed to be leading the way isn’t it… the way to include people????

    • Christian

      I am an organizer of a tennis meetup with over 950 members.

      The new layout is changing the dynamic of how my members interact with the meetup, making it much harder to keep members active on the site.

      As with most meetups the different between success and oblivion for the meetup is to keep the members active. This is done through meetups, but the work to get members to go to meetups is done by event organizers and members interacting on the site with postings about the meetups, ratings, reviews, comments about the weather, new ideas etc. – all that is now so far down the page (far below the fold) that members can’t be expected to see anything but the next meetup.

      My and my event organizers have always got input from the members on new meetups, but the members value that we are always there week after week making sure they have other players to play tennis with.

      I hope meetup changes their mind and gives us back the tools we need to run a great and active meetup. We need more choices and tools for organizers – not less.

      Christian
      Organizer
      Bay Area Tennis Meetup

    • Anonymous

      Sid Burgess: “I know several and all of them like the changes. In my experience, the vast majority of them do.”

      As has been pointed out, the majority of posts on the “Help and technical assistance” forum are negative, and it goes on for page after page. Many are ranting, sure, but there are constructive criticism threads, as well as complaints of bugs and usability issues. I’ve seen very, very few positive posts. How many organizers have you spoken with?

      “Next, they did most certainly test it on users. You just were not part of that group. Sorry, tough luck.”

      You would have thought Meetup would have mentioned that in their announcements? – ‘we beta tested these layouts on a group of x meetup organizers, who gave us feedback and liked our upgrade.’ Were you part of the user group?

    • sergio cubero

      I am organizer in Barcelona and thought these changes were a bad jocke. For start I am organizer because I have an interest to share with other people they way I see leisure. I like to do it my way. If anyone is interested in organizing they can create their group. Encouraging members to organize does not make sense. I have blocked this option obviously.
      Why the hell they show such a big map?? is not enoght as it was done before?
      I sent an email to meetup yesterday with my complaint and I have just found the article in techcrunch by coincidence.
      The kind of wall they pretend to create showing all the movements organizers do is another bad idea in my opinion.

    • Anonymous

      Andres:

      Nope. Wrong!

      Try this. Go into Incognito Mode in Google Chrome, or Private Browsing in Firefox. Go to Meetup.com and verify that you are logged out.

      Then find a meetup that has a location that is “shown only to members.” The Google Maps thumbnail will still pinpoint the exact address.

      I quickly found at least three examples of this. Won’t link them here because I don’t want to facilitate a further invasion of their privacy. But you can easily find some yourself.

      Get rid of these ugly Google Maps altogether. BAD IDEA.

    • Anonymous

      I’m not just a web user; I have developed software and have worked as a web designer. This Meetup train wreck is Exhibit A in how NOT to conduct a major software or web design rollout. They screwed up every single aspect of it, from not doing their homework with the users and organizers first, to not announcing plans for change in small increments and public-pilot-testing for feedback, to badly undermining their core business model, to not providing a sense of individual community to the groups and instead just creating sterile cookie-cutter monotony, to not respecting people’s privacy, to the non-aesthetic design, to inefficient use of screen real estate (SO much wasted space!), to failing to streamline functional design, and finally to utterly failing to provide meaningful and professional responses to customers’ concerns. Everything that they could possibly botch, they botched.

      If I had followed their methodology on ANY of the software/web projects my team worked on, we would have faced a similar firestorm as to what you see here, and would have surely lost our jobs.

    • Csadi

      I agree with much of what has already been said here. I do not like the changes at all, or the way they did them, and their attitude about it if we don’t like it.

      In fact, as organizers, lets make parallel meetups to gather at their HQ in NY for a protest. Even if it has to be a “mock” meetup, because truly doing it would not be practical, etc…

    • Venice86

      I think the new format stinks! It is by no means “sleek”. Everything about it is much less desirable than the former user friendly format. My question is “if the wheel isn’t broken……”

    • MeetupDust

      Jon, blow it out your arse

    • http://www.facebook.com/depodol Christine Marie Bryant

      You are forgetting one VERY important minor detail in your comparison between facebook changes and meetup.com changes Mr Jon Gluck ….. we don’t pay for facebook, nor do most of us rely on facebook like we do meetup.com …… WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS TO MEETUP.COM ~ KEYWORD “PAYING” …. so no one needs to settle down while there is hardworking money involved ! The new layout is horrible in every which way imaginable ….. I personally do not want to spend my own hardworking money on a site that I’m not happy with and if they don’t change it back or change it to something similar as it use to be I will take me & my 200+ members elsewhere ….

    • http://www.facebook.com/depodol Christine Marie Bryant

      Hi Emily ~ this is just an idea but if you are on facebook, you can create a “fan page” for “speaking french” …. invite all your friends to it and they will invite all there friends to it and so on and so on then you can post a link to where ever you put your group on the website and streamline your own new members to your group :) if you hit over a 1000 fans your facebook fan page will even come up on google …. that’s how meetup finds most of it’s members in general … people “google” something like “speaking french groups” on google and meetup.com pops up … you can do the very same thing for free on facebook and then put your group somewhere else … I’m in the same boat right now and researching other group sites to put my group ….

    • Fitness33

      Oh, and with the new Meetup, your headline should actually say “SETTLE DOWN HELPERS!!!”…

    • http://insomanic.me.uk AndyY

      Andy from GroupSpaces here – thanks for everybody’s interest in GroupSpaces so far, we’ve been quite overwhelmed over the last couple of days – check out the graph of incoming enquiries I just posted to our blog!

      http://blog.groupspaces.com/update-from-groupspaces-hq

      I’m currently going through the pile of feedback we’ve received over the last 48 hours and figuring out how we can best respond to the needs of people for whom Meetup may no longer be an appropriate solution.

      GroupSpaces is currently used to manage over 1 million group memberships worldwide, and our focus has always been on providing group managers, leaders and organizers full control and security to run their groups as they wish.

      In order to help us fully understand all your requirements please do sign up and create a free group at http://groupspaces.com/a/group/ with no commitment, and then let us know any feedback or comments at helpdesk@groupspaces.com.

      We are continually developing and pushing out new features, to stay updated with our developments please feel free to subscribe to our group managers’ mailing list at http://groupspaces.com/managers/subscribe/

    • Tim

      The new meetup design is ill-conceived and unreadable. It won’t take long for a competitor to replace New Meetup and give the Organizers what they want. The sooner the better!

    • Wah

      What do you want from someone who lists Bose as a brand they’re loyal to?

    • http://www.facebook.com/audrey.vantuyl Audrey L. Van Tuyl

      I am a Meetup Organizer, have been for more than 4 years. I not only organize a local mommies group, but a group of Organizers from across the country with over 1000 active members. We are up in arms, this is not good! We are looking for a better place to take our groups if changes won’t be made, which it appears they will not. I have already opened a groupspaces group to fiddle with, and in the next few weeks will toy with others to see which will work for me. I feel cheated out of the thousands of hours I have put in to making Meetup awesome, by no having to look elsewhere to fulfill the needs of my members. I have posted: http://www.meetup.com/boards/thread/10368670#39550640 but Meetup doesn’t appear to be listening. I have used Scott’s own words against him, but it appears he has changed his mind from his previous goals….

    • Tgross7

      Something lacking in this is mention of Meetup’s complete shut down of support. COMPLETE. Cannot call. Cannot get responses by direct email or online email. Cannot twitter. Cannot find any emails that go directly to ANYONE on staff. And I pay them?

    • Kate

      I am a meetup organizer for a mother’s group. A large majority of our events take place in member’s homes (play dates, game nights, potlucks, crafting, etc.) We have always taken great care to protect our member’s privacy and safety, so event location addresses a not posted, instead they are emailed to everyone on the “yes” list a few days prior to the event. The new google maps are absolutely ridiculous for us, because there is no address for them to locate!

    • Radar

      Actually Mr. Gluck… Your wrong. When the members of my group will no longer the tool used to manage and facilitate my group due to the recent changes, which include a hell of lot more than just a few font tweeks and label changes. There substantial security issues raised by the advent of google maps being forced on organizers (possible disclosing personal addresses) and the wonderful new feature of anyone can schedule a meetup just by suggesting it (putting members at risk of harm or scam from a “new” member getting something scheduled). The fact of the matter is Mr. Gluck, it was meant to be a tool for local community group to facilitate meetings, not to force some B.S. totalitarian corporate agenda down it’s paying member’s throats. One reply from Meetup stated that the group’s do not belong to the organizers (the ones who pay for the service) but rather that meetup allows the organizer to perform the organizer role of the group which belongs to them. This is what has the community of organizers in an uproar, not some minor font changes. I suggest that you do a little more research about the community and the issues you are commenting on before making suck lighthearted comments about a complex issue Mr. Gluck.

    • bh

      They are probably having their head buried in the sand, so they did not hear you call! LOL

    • BH

      Please don’t take this as criticism but when looking at your business warrior group, I cannot help but finding it looking very DULL with text text text text text.

      But in the old meetup, there were a variety of things, description, pictures, feature meetup, members comments, calender , ideas (i hate that too) …..

      My point is: this DULL layout is imposed on everyone now, and we cannot really change it. Since the new meetup launch, we have not had a single new member which for a group like ours (1000+ members) is very unusual.

      Good luck to you and your new meetup and again please don’t be offended.

    • Julian

      Hideous, hideous, hideous. Going to use to the end of the subscriber’s fee phase with apologies made to all members, then abandon the platform as soon as possible. This redesign provides proof yet again (as though any further proof were needed!) of the infinite extent of pure corporate circle-jerk, buzzword-driven idiocy. Errors this egregious, however, fall directly under the category of golden-parachute gilding.

    • Arborlaw

      @Andres_VP:

      Will you please address these points with regard to Meetup’s direction going forward, particularly the point about corporate-sponsored events coming?

      1) Meetup is stripping group branding and customization to switch member
      loyalty to the general Meetup brand.

      Comment: “Does anyone truly think that Meetup sat around and thought “Wouldn’t
      it be great to remove people’s images that represent themselves and replace it
      with google maps? While we are at it, let’s bury all their about pages,
      videos, etc.”? This is intentional. They don’t want your branding.”

      2) They intend to turn Meetup into a place primarily where people
      self-organize events, changing the focus from groups to events.

      Comment: “Meetups in the making” events have a very low threshold to get
      created (3). They want users to self-organize so they don’t need organizers
      anymore.”

      3) Organizers are now glorified moderators.

      Comment: “Don’t like the new self-organized Meetups? If you disable them, you
      have a static site where the activity feed is buried [below the fold]. It
      might as well not be there. If you accept them [your role as organizer] is
      that of a moderator.”

      4) These changes will make it easier for Meetup to push corporate-made events
      and perks to Meetup members directly, with no need for groups.

      Comment: “Way more money in this, than in your meager organizer ‘dues’.
      Imagine restaurants, bars, hotels, entertainment venues and other places
      competing with you to host events, while Meetup collects those fees for that
      privilege.”

      4) Being an “organizer” will become free, or they may pay you a nominal fee
      instead.

      Comment: “They have already reduced dues by 50%. They do realize many paying
      organizers will leave and take their groups with them, but other people will
      take over or recreate groups for ‘perks.’ Assistant organizers were changed
      to regular organizers for this reason. They want the perks pushed.”

      5) They don’t want people going to your group to see group activity.

      Comment: “Meetup has their home page where you can see [activity], they don’t
      need your group page for that. Is it any accident [group activity is now]
      buried so far down your page? They know that burying it there is death for
      usability.”

      For clarity and brevity I have paraphrased from a post of another meetup organizer in the last few days, but I had exactly these same thoughts.

      Carol Shepherd, Attorney
      Arborlaw PLC

      organizer of:
      Ann Arbor Nordic Skiiers Group
      Ann Arbor Swing Dance Association

    • Arborlaw

      Meetup hasn’t forgotten its purpose. Meetup has permanently changed its purpose. It has transformed itself from a community-group-centered model to a self-publishing, (l)user-generated localized events calendar, which will be the perfect destination site for serving paid sponsored events postings prominently featured in competition with what the (l)users contribute.

    • Arborlaw

      I agree — extremely unsafe! I would never post an event at any private location any more.

    • Arborlaw

      You’re assuming that they are working for their customers (organizers). They are working for their new customers (corporate sponsors). Their former customers (us) are going to provide them with the free, user-generated content that they will sell to their new customers.

    • Arborlaw

      Emily, what you say is too true. I have run several interest-oriented groups since college, at a couple of points in time, organizing took as much as 40hrs/wk of my time. Each of my groups was active and thriving when I handed over the reins to the hand-picked, hand-groomed enthusiastic successor. None lasted more than one or two years when I was gone, despite my efforts. They were essentially *my* groups and others were enjoying being part of them. I was happy to do that for other people to enjoy, as long as I had control over the product. This is why Meetup relaunched (sorry, it’s not a redesign) as an event-based rather than group-based product — they can sell events and events information to advertisers. They can’t sell you.

    • Arborlaw

      Emily, what you say is too true. I have run several interest-oriented groups since college, at a couple of points in time, organizing took as much as 40hrs/wk of my time. Each of my groups was active and thriving when I handed over the reins to the hand-picked, hand-groomed enthusiastic successor. None lasted more than one or two years when I was gone, despite my efforts. They were essentially *my* groups and others were enjoying being part of them. I was happy to do that for other people to enjoy, as long as I had control over the product. This is why Meetup relaunched (sorry, it’s not a redesign) as an event-based rather than group-based product — they can sell events and events information to advertisers. They can’t sell you.

    • Iamme

      Hey MEETUP troll,

      What don’t you understand about the outrage? The organizers have every right to be control freaks. They paid for that right.

    • Iamme

      Let rephrase it. when meetup organizers paid their dues, there’s an expectation of services rendered, whether there is a formal contract or not, and that expectation is built on the existing functionality of the site.

      When the functionality is altered, unilaterally and deleteriously, it is tantamount to a breach of contract.

      The outrage is totally justified.

    • AH

      Jon,

      Your above response to this present Meet Up.com issue shows your ignorance of consumer feedback and a condescending view of how others have been using the Meet Up.com website. You fail to address one of the most important components of this situation, and that is the disenfranchisement of the organizer (aka the subscriber). Simply stated, we (the organizers) pay a high fee to use Meet Up tools and services for group management. Those tools have been seriously reduced in value, which goes beyond just a minor grudge with simple changes, and instead enters into a very serious consideration of a breech of contract with the terms of usage. Many people have worked very hard to build groups that become extensions of their lives, so the services we purchased with our subscriptions have been greatly altered without our feedback or consent. There are likely terms of usage that will, in their glorious fine print, allow for such things, but your ‘settle down, people’ view of things is just slap in the face to those who are expressing their outrage. The operators of the Meet Up website have shown their true colors, as the sell out of their customer base was over the top. If you agree to this type of customer service, then I am sorry for those you have to interact with in anything you do either in Meet Up or outside, as your views above likely reflect how you treat others.

      This response is not meant to be a personal attack, but the manner in which you expressed your above opinions is doing just that to the many readers expressing their concerns here. This situation is yet another example of how customers are let down in order for greed to foster. There are other alternatives to Meet Up, and as long as their respective ownership does not have the same managers and investors, then there is hope for this concept to thrive. If not, then hopefully another inventor will come along to do things better. In the mean time, I hope you will consider taking a more critical view of things and acknowledge the greater issues at stake.

    • Nwpuppymom

      See how you feel when someone converts an event “in the making” to an “official” event that is to be held in your home and you have absolutely no control over the event because you aren’t the host-you just helped plan it. In this case the Org is MIA, so anyone can go in at any time and change the date and time for this event. The reason it wasn’t already an official event is because the suggested date and time did not work for me.

    • Ron “Monkey” Crass

      As a web developer for over five years, I just want to scream “I told you so,” but I won’t. The reason I want to scream is because I have been telling everyone (mostly a few close friends who are organizers) to develop their own website for their groups. I have told them over and over that the best way they can have complete control is to have their own site, by using some open source web development tool like WordPress, Ning, etc. I also tell business owners to get their own website instead o going to pace like Facebook. Why be at the mercy of someone else?

      I know someone who had a monthly business networking group with over thousand members and up to seventy people show up once a month based on just e-mailing the member through a service like Evite or none at all.

      I definitely feel for the organizers at Meet-up. If you have a serious group and are seriously mad, don’t wait for Meet-up to hear your cries, take control and develop your own website for your own group. You will be a lot better for it. As many people commenting here have said, Meet-up didn’t even do that good of a job bringing quality members.

      The writing is on the wall. Meet-up will not switch back. That ship has sailed. No use crying over spilled milk. The monkey’s in the jar. If I had another cliché, I would write it right now, but I don’t, so I won’t.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ATVV2UXRA4IK43QM53XA4PGDLM Dante in Chicago

      Did Meetup.com PAY YOU to write this? It still comes across as if we are whining like a bunch of spoiled brats or something. Your tone is not a good one in this article, but I do give you credit for attempting to write a balanced piece.

      I run one of the most successful WordPress Meetup groups on Meetup.com and I lost my 5-star rating. Maybe that little tidbit is nothing to you and miniscule in the overall argument, but I spent thousands of dollars and hundreds in organizer dues for the PRIVILEDGE of Meetup.com wiping out my 5-star rating while I was running an ad campaign on Facebook titled “5-Star WordPress Meetup.” I had to cancel the ad campaign, which was marketing a PAID Meetup event I scheduled for January 29, 2011 in which the admission fee was $249 to attend (yes, imagine that I run a Meetup where people PAY money to attend).

      You don’t have a clue how angry I am about something so simple as a 5-star rating. But then you haven’t built a brand like I have from 0 members in to the 5th ranked, or spent countless hours organizing and engaging a passionate community of members. Don’t talk down to us in your article like we are a bunch of rowdy school kids. Some of us had our business models and lives wrapped up in Meetup.com. Please don’t minimize it.

    • boot

      Tweet or follow it all at twitter #newmeeup #meetuporganizersunite

    • http://twitter.com/NYCBizNet ilana eberson

      Jon,

      First of all, well said to Jerry who responded to your post.

      As he said, how can you pat yourself on the back for what you’ve accomplished on Meetup. Open a few months and with about 300 members. I’ve had a group open in LA for just over 3 months and we have more members than you…so stop bragging…that’s not what this forum is for. It I just had a new or small group then maybe I wouldn’t be so worried about these changes.

      I also have a group of 8000 business professionals in NYC. When you are managing a group that big and hosting several events each month and hundreds each year, you might understand why these changes have such a huge affect on our brands which we have taken time and effort to build. In my case, I’ve spent 4 years building this group so stop the yadda, yadda, like you’re speaking for more than just yourself.

      How invested can you be with so few members and events under your belt.

      Please don’t be so condescending to those of us who have built real business on Meetup and are worried how this may affect us, our business and our income.

      Cheers, ilana

    • http://twitter.com/NYCBizNet ilana eberson

      Good comment Jerry.

    • Ariztazer

      As a Meetup Organizer, their arrogance and disregard for their customers is shocking. As some have noted, this ranks up there with New Coke as one of the worst marketing decisions in recent history.

    • Tea Partier

      We dropped meeetup months ago. Much better results from our Ning site and facebook. Have also heard that they have shut down quite a few tea party sites, labeling them “racist,” although we had no problems there.

    • Tea Partier

      I agree. We tried Ning, Facebook and Meetup. Dumped Meetup months ago. Previously tried Wordpess and dumped it. Ning was by far the best thing for us, but Facebook brings in incremental participation. Both afre fairly easy for non-technical people to work with,

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Carroll/1041420860 Bob Carroll

      The “New” Meetup is a new Ponzi scheme. They have used our years of experience, talent, group development, organizing abilities, and good will (not to mention $150 per year organizer fees) in an attempt to enrich Meetup HQ execs. They are changing the entire direction of Meetup into a method to pimp out our membership in the service of corporate interests and they still expect us (their customers?) to pay.

      No thanks, I am moving my Meetup group to either http://Grouply.com or to http://GroupSpaces.com very soon. I have also started a former meetup group locator site http://ex-meet-up.com to make the transition easier for other organizers.

      http://lh6.ggpht.com/_jElZC5kF-4o/TUY0vXGWCdI/AAAAAAAAAKY/HZ10zmH_ylQ/emu-locate-blue.png

    • http://www.ronnussey.com/2011/01/31/links-for-2011-01-31/ links for 2011-01-31 » Wha'Happened?

      [...] Meetup feels the wrath of the crowd after radical changes (tags: meetup productdevelopment relaunch community) [...]

    • Christine

      Absolutely! I have been leading successful Meetup groups for 3 years now – what I am concerned about now is trusting them!

      Their change of business strategy, lack of concern for upset leaders, their attitude of “too bad” tells me that they don’t care about us and will screw us again at will.

    • http://www.facebook.com/thecopywriter Christine Alexander

      Problem is that Meetup does not allow a group to be closed! If I stepped down as leader of my successful group – someone else would grab it in a split second – so we are basically screwed!

    • http://www.facebook.com/thecopywriter Christine Alexander

      What they do not understand is that when leader go …. there is nothing for advertisers.

    • http://www.facebook.com/thecopywriter Christine Alexander

      So dissapointed that Meetup does not care about us:-(

    • http://www.facebook.com/thecopywriter Christine Alexander

      Yup – for sure a long term plan … time to jump ship

    • Fairhsa

      I’m a meetup assistant organiser. We organise hikes and we absolutely CANNOT have just anyone organising hikes for safety reasons. Our organisers carefully plan hikes, know the routes, carry maps and know how to organise rescues if there are problems. Half our members have no idea how to do any of this which is why they come ….. there is no way I will be associated with the leadership of a group if it continues with this level of irresponsibility for my own liability reasons.

    • Anonymous

      If you run a WordPress website and would like a simple way of managing events and responses to them, consider the RSVPMaker plugin at http://www.rsvpmaker.com

      Not necessarily a complete Meetup replacement by itself, so it depends on how much you value the other features of the service — some of which you might replicate using social plugins like BuddyPress.

    • http://twitter.com/NYCBizNet ilana eberson

      Hi Ron,

      You didn’t tell me!

      Timing is everything right. I agree with you 100%.

      Thankfully I’ve been working on a site of our own but it’s still a few weeks away, so in the meantime I’m worried about who we might lose from our membership and trying to figure out how to use the new site since everything that was personalized to me or my group is gone.

      It’s like I left the house in the morning and it looked one way and things were in places I could find. Now it feels like I got home and someone had rearranged everything and I’m still trying to figure out where things are.

      We are one of the biggest groups on Meetup and I’m not going to let this hiccup derail me or my group. We will look back on this as the best thing Meetup could have done to help us get off their platform and the worst thing they could have done to shoot themselves in the foot.

      Cheers, ilana

    • http://www.facebook.com/Duroon Jim Milne

      The absolute worst part of this whole mess, posts like this one from the CTO of Meetup (Greg Whalin, @gwhalin) on Twitter.

      “Had one of the best, awesome, and most relaxing weekends I can remember having in a long long time! Especially needed after last week.”

      This after three days of complaints from his customers, obviously he has taken the weekend off to relax while leaving his customers to stew about the situation.

      And from Mark Hanna, product manager of Meetup.com, “Excited to start a new Meetup Group with #NewMeetup – just need to think of a killer idea.” Mark can be found on Twitter as @MarkHHanna.

      Killer idea? Uhm think you already had one for your business with New Meetup there Mark. How’s that resume looking?

      The powers that be at Meetup.com have ignored their customers over the last several days, they seem to have stuck their collective heads in the sand and are waiting for this to all blow over instead of answering customer complaints. I have been a paying customer for over five years. I am headed to a site that will take care of it’s customers, bye-bye Meetup.com, it’s been an eye opener at least.

    • Murrayi

      As an Organizer of highly succesful local meetup group with a membership of over 3oo I can attest to the anger and disbelief of local organizers like myself who have paid to build up a group with unique style and quality, only to have Meetup destroy it in a single stroke.
      Many local group organizers are banding together to coordinate the move of their groups en-masse to other services like BigTent and GroupSpaces.
      Many group organizers have been banned from posting to Meetup’s own web forum just becausse they posted negative reactions to the changes. The message from Meetup is being heard loudly and clearly by the organizers – “we no longer want you!”
      Unfortunately Meetup seemed to have missed the point – the vast majority of meetup members are only there becuase they want someone to organize things for them – any group of any size will tell you that there are many followers and very few leaders – if the leaders leave, the followers will most likely follow them.
      Meetup appear to be totally deaf to the mass of complaints from their organizers and are actively working to limit such complaints from appearing on the discussion forums by removing them and banning the members from posting. Hardly a great way to treat your paying customers.
      I suspect Scott Heifferman (CEO) has decided to change Meetup’s business model and seek a different revenue stream, and I find nothing wrong with that, but Meetup seems to have managed the change in such an innept and arrogant manner that it has shot iteslf in the foot.
      I for one will be moving my group, in a coordinated mass move with other groups in the next few days.

    • http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=106676932741434&id=178476925521098#!/profile.php?id=100000731961296 Annie V

      How much would it cost us to hire someone so we could have our own website? I am afraid to ask.

    • Annie V

      Hi Andy, You have a real business opportunity here. Any plans for you to customize groupspace so it would offer more of what we had at meetup?

    • Annie V
    • Annie V
    • Anonymous

      “I too love the changes. Good job Meetup.”

      What specifically do you love about the changes? What benefits are you seeing from the new design?

      I’m not challenging you; I’m just curious because so far I have received 100% unanimously negative comments from my group members — and there are a lot of them. I have also not seen anyone really defending the site changes against the complainers on Meetup’s message boards.

      I’d actually be interested in seeing a list of specific benefits from someone who has found the changes beneficial. Maybe I’m missing something — although so far I don’t really think so. But, maybe.

    • Audrey L Van Tuyl

      Jerry -

      I have to agree with others, you are too new to this to understand. The thousands of hours that many of us have spent making our sites a personal and inviting experience have been stripped away in a matter of moments by Meetup. We have been dedicated, loyal, RECRUITING (oh and the paying thing…yeah that’s a big one too) customers of Meetup for many, many years.

      I personally have ORGANIZED (not helped to plan) over 1000 events between the 2 groups that I founded and the many other groups that I Co-Organize. Not to mention the many thousands of events that my Co-Organizers have again ORGANIZED in the many years we have collaborated.

      Organizers aren’t the only ones up in arms, my members are not even logging onto the site. They can’t navigate the new changes easily, and (like me) feel the depersonalization of the site is just the beginning of the end. I once believed in this site, I once recommended this site to people for their ever-changing needs, I feel jilted.

      This isn’t just a layout change, if you had done your research you would see that Meetup is going in a completely different direction. Meetup is becoming less about the groups and more about the members and the clicks they will provide. Click through, cha-ching…click through, cha-ching. It’s a money game, and Meetup thinks this is what will make it the most money.

      What Meetup has failed to research is that members get weary of groups that aren’t active. Members do not WANT to plan events. They do not WANT to host events. They want to be rallied by an Organizer, a community motivator. Piss your Organizers off, you lose your community. That is the gist of it Jerry.

      Please don’t make us out to be ranting fools. We are dedicated, hard-working Organizers that have spent years building amazing groups that serve our communities in so many wonderful ways – only to have our hard work thrown out the window with the promise of a bigger payout from Corporate America.

    • Audrey L Van Tuyl

      I meant John, not Jerry. (Sorry Jerry!)

    • htran

      I’m thinking of applying for a refund and move my group off meetup. They have apparently decided that organizers are not important to their business model, growth, and sustainability.

    • http://www.mediabistro.com/prnewser/meetup-redesign-gets-thumbs-down_b14065 Meetup Redesign Gets Thumbs Down – PRNewser

      [...] There are also Twitter hashtags on the topic: #newmeetup and #meetuporganizersunite. According to TechCrunch, there are no plans to go back to the original design. But, that doesn’t mean the redesign [...]

    • JAWSnAZ

      I’m with you. We have a Tactical Shooting group. Hello…. ASSAULT RIFLES + UN-Controlled meetups = major liability and beyond that just pain unsafe. We pay our dues and volunteer our time to create a safe learning environment and to introduce / train people that already have guns as a “Favor” to the rest of the unarmed world. Changing things in mid-motion so to speak is Dangerous.

      The other issue is that we pay-for and bring people into Meetup.com. It is our effort and money that fills their membership not Meetups’ snazzy web site.

    • http://blog.cdss.org/2011/01/31/meetup-com-a-resource-to-consider/ Meetup.com: A Resource to Consider? «

      [...] Meetup isn’t the only site out there doing this sort of thing, of course. BigTent seems to be another resource, although this doesn’t seem to have a lot of folky represenation at the moment. And there’s plenty of overlap with what you might do with Facebook. Indeed, Meetup also connects with Facebook with an app. (This is, I should note, a time of transition, as Meetup underwent a major facelift a few days ago that not everyone likes.) [...]

    • Venice86

      This is all bs and hyperbole!! These new changes have just made it more difficult to connect with friends and understand what is a “real” meetup or just a suggestion. Furthermore the hubris of FB to include if one wants to FB or Twitter their response is egregious.

      My main question is why these changes were made in the first place? I doubt if the Organizers suggested it. Once again Meetup, because of its popularity, has assumed a corporate mentality. These changes, in my opinion, have nothing to do with serving the best interests of the organizer or members but rather to bloat their own pockets.

    • Venice86

      This is all bs and hyperbole!! These new changes have just made it more difficult to connect with friends and understand what is a “real” meetup or just a suggestion. Furthermore the hubris of FB to include if one wants to FB or Twitter their response is egregious.

      My main question is why these changes were made in the first place? I doubt if the Organizers suggested it. Once again Meetup, because of its popularity, has assumed a corporate mentality. These changes, in my opinion, have nothing to do with serving the best interests of the organizer or members but rather to bloat their own pockets.

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    • GarethT

      As a meetup organiser what has been particularly offensive has been the lack of communication and consultation, increased restrictions in the flexibility of meetup and a disregard for the work people have done. Many organisers and co-organisers had added images into meetup descriptions without consultation these were all replaced with Googlemaps. For some people months orf work undone and lost.

      However my biggest concern has ben the new welcome letter to new members. All new members of a group would get an automated email written by the organiser describing the group how it operates etc. However Meetup has appended a statement of expectations to this these expectations do not take account of the individual nature of groups for example saying people should take photos and post them on the web not appropriate for a group counselling meetup. That this is added to the organisers signature and organisers were not publically informed shows a total lack of understanding of the needs of individual groups.

      Meetup has been a great tool for activating communities bringing people together, but it is only a tool not a means in itself.

      I am now looking at Groupspaces

    • http://blog.cdss.org/2011/02/01/meetup-com-a-resource-to-consider/ Meetup.com: A Resource to Consider? «

      [...] Meetup isn’t the only site out there doing this sort of thing, of course. BigTent seems to be another resource, although this doesn’t seem to have a lot of folky representation at the moment. And there’s plenty of overlap with what you might already be doing with Facebook. Indeed, Meetup also connects with Facebook with an app. (I should note that it’s a time of transition for Meetup, which just underwent a major facelift a few days ago that not everyone likes.) [...]

    • Courtney

      You are an ASSISTANT ORGANIZER. You don’t pay a dime.

      Nice try.

      http://www.meetup.com/members/4169042/

    • Robin

      Meetup Organisers – we can do our own thing – for FREE!!!

      WordPress is a very popular system for building pretty much any kind of website you can imagine, and it can provide all of the functionality needed for an alternative to the Meetup system….. one which YOU and no one else controls.

      Instructions on how to set up a WordPress meet-up site for your group will be posted on http://www.wordpressmeetups.com in the next couple of weeks.

      In the meantime, you can take a look at a site which is currently being built with the functionality ready for the one such meetup group to migrate to…
      http://www.thailand-motorcycle-touring.com
      …you can join as a member to see the additional functionality for registered members.

      wordpressmeetups.com is being set up BY Group Organizers, FOR Group Organizers.

      The only costs are the cost of your domain name, and for hosting your WordPress site (domain space), or you can host it for free with WordPress.com

      No doubt we’ll refine the system over time to make it better and better, but in the meantime the Group Organizer is free to use any additional plugins he/she wants to add to the functionality of his/her meet-up website.

    • Anonymous

      It’s already too late…believe me meetup.com will lose a good percentage of their members this month..watch and see.

    • http://meetup.com/mywplife Dante

      Hey Robin,

      Just FYI on your domain name: http://wordpress.org/about/domains/ Again, just FYI. I think the BuddyPress solution is an awesome solution. Once BuddyPress fully integrates with WordPress 3 it will be pretty much the beginning of building communities and social networks on WordPress.

      Dante

    • Anonymous

      *Crickets*

    • Bruce

      I’m also a meetup organizer. Not much to add to what has already been posted, except that many of my member are complaining that they can’t even READ the new format. There isn’t much point in using MEETUP if my members can’t use it, is there?

    • Vintango

      I’m a MeetUp organizer as well. Their changes have seriously pissed me off and made a huge waste of my time and efforts. Now, I’m scrambling to make sure my events don’t flop and find solutions on my own to their inherent browser compatibility problems. I’ve never been more irritated at a company I’ve used then these guys right now.

    • Vintango

      I’m a MeetUp organizer as well. Their changes have seriously pissed me off and made a huge waste of my time and efforts. Now, I’m scrambling to make sure my events don’t flop and find solutions on my own to their inherent browser compatibility problems. I’ve never been more irritated at a company I’ve used then these guys right now.

    • roni

      i am also a meetup organizer. the google map of my location is wrong & ugly. yes meetups are very important, but my group of 200 members use the message boards on a very regular basis. where we might meetup 2-4 times per month. the activity boards are used many times during the day….well the good folks at meetup decided to put that on the bottom! so i have to scroll thru my scheduled meetups everytime i want to see the most recent activity. if i try to make the calendar the home page, it comes up with 2 months and every time i refresh or review the most recent comments, it reverts back to the meetup view.
      the new site just sucks…..
      i certainly hope they see the light soon, before everyone leaves meetup!!
      roni
      organizer, long island photography meetup

    • http://twitter.com/bannedpublius Publius

      Meetup has now been caught intentionally trying to prevent their users from knowing the truth about their practice of deleting negative feedback and banning members who disliked this change.

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    • http://twitter.com/bannedpublius Publius

      Meetup has now been caught intentionally trying to prevent their users from knowing the truth about their practice of deleting negative feedback and banning members who disliked this change.

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    • http://www.facebook.com/aliviah1 Alivia Smith

      Here is anther vote for “HATE IT!”

    • http://www.facebook.com/aliviah1 Alivia Smith

      That is how you draw in new customers to your business.

      MeetUp – ouch.

    • macdee

      Is that it?? See more about how it works by clicking here…????
      Andres…sorry but do you have a clue what MU Organizers are pissed about or are you just going to avoid the submit matter entirely???

      WAKE UP!!!

    • Jonathan Gray

      First the mob, then Meetup

      I attended Meetup during November and December of 2010. I attended a group in Phoenix, Arizona on McDowell near Central Streets. My interested is creative writing. As I attended only one group, I ask that my comments not be generalized. I do believe, however, that the organizational format leads to the type of problem I experienced. I’m hoping that someone may be helped. I’m an African American and my comments may be especially useful to those who are minority members.

      It appears that the group I attended, here in Phoenix, AZ., is strongly influenced by happenings occurring outside the scheduled meeting. Gatherings are held outdoors and away from the actual meet. Certainly, the distance in time and space works to insulate Meetup’s organizers from being criticized directly. In my opinion, nevertheless, the gossip that passes during the outside meetings infiltrates and influences the name calling and rudeness occurring inside–during the scheduled meeting.

      Meetup’s appointed leaders, it works out, are represented in both groups. The effect is that members that may have been targeted by the impromptu meetings held outside, lose–during the scheduled meeting– the opportunity to have their comments and/or offerings viewed objectively. For example, suggestions made by leaders during a scheduled meeting include comparing an attendees work to feces, or criminalizing a member. In my opinion, this is not support, it’s destructive and more akin to a mob than a gathering of people joined together for mutual support.

      In closing, I want to emphasize that the above is my opinion and based on one personal experience. I’m sure that there are objective and supportive groups at other locations. I also believe that the source of the problem is in the organization, and the way leaders are selected.

    • J.Gray

      First the mob, then Meetup

      I attended Meetup during November and December of 2010. I attended a group in Phoenix, Arizona on McDowell near Central Streets. My interested is creative writing. As I attended only one group, I ask that my comments not be generalized. I do believe, however, that the organizational format leads to the type of problem I experienced. I’m hoping that someone may be helped. I’m an African American and my comments may be especially useful to those who are minority members.

      It appears that the group I attended, here in Phoenix, AZ., is strongly influenced by happenings occurring outside the scheduled meeting. Gatherings are held outdoors and away from the actual meet. Certainly, the distance in time and space works to insulate Meetup’s organizers from being criticized directly. In my opinion, nevertheless, the gossip that passes during the outside meetings infiltrates and influences the name calling and rudeness occurring inside–during the scheduled meeting.

      Meetup’s appointed leaders, it works out, are represented in both groups. The effect is that members that may have been targeted by the impromptu meetings held outside, lose–during the scheduled meeting– the opportunity to have their comments and/or offerings viewed objectively. For example, suggestions made by leaders during a scheduled meeting include comparing an attendees work to feces, or criminalizing a member. In my opinion, this is not support, it’s destructive and more akin to a mob than a gathering of people joined together for mutual support.

      In closing, I want to emphasize that the above is my opinion and based on one personal experience. I’m sure that there are objective and supportive groups at other locations. I also believe that the source of the problem is in the organization, and the way leaders are selected.

    • Michael

      I run a large group in Boston and we have been monthly since 2002 with over 1650 members. After all of these changes, we decided to build our own replacement. It’s still in development, but you might like to check it out…

      http://bostonphp.org/site/event/9
      http://bostonphp.org/site

      We have thought about making this available for those groups that are equally frustrated and want it. We are still in development, but maybe we can make it available for other groups? What do you think?

    • Admin

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    • http://twitter.com/LisasShare Lisa Goll

      I’m a meetup organiser who has build a 1,200 member community on Meetup yet these new changes completely removed my autonomy to deliver updates to my group or to have the group presented in a holistic method. Instead we are now stuck with a site that sits halfway between an events site, like EventBrite, and emerging geo-social site Foursquare. Not happy. Not happy at all Meetup. It’s becoming more and more typical for these ‘community’ website to utterly ignore the simple process of consulting it’s stakeholders before launching a radical new set of changes. I’m really tempted to take my group elsewhere but they have us over a barrell because moving 1,200 others with me is no small feat. 

    • http://twitter.com/LisasShare Lisa Goll

      I’m a meetup organiser who has build a 1,200 member community on Meetup yet these new changes completely removed my autonomy to deliver updates to my group or to have the group presented in a holistic method. Instead we are now stuck with a site that sits halfway between an events site, like EventBrite, and emerging geo-social site Foursquare. Not happy. Not happy at all Meetup. It’s becoming more and more typical for these ‘community’ website to utterly ignore the simple process of consulting it’s stakeholders before launching a radical new set of changes. I’m really tempted to take my group elsewhere but they have us over a barrell because moving 1,200 others with me is no small feat. 

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      This is NOT what I want on my internet!
      FIGHT people FIGHT.
      They are wanting to take our country!
      Do NOT let them!
      I will also leave my Meetup.
      To do nothing means I comply.

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