Maybe they will be able to ‘get a grip’ instead.

I guess all these SSL high strength ciphers are unnecessary given your claims and companies investing thousands into PCI compliance and secure payment pages are missing the tricks you have up your sleeve…

Mind you thank you for clarifying your security measures so clearly. However, as a consumer I assure you, I most certainly won’t be entering my credit card details over a NON SSL secured network to some company who is unrelated to the site I’m on.

Steve

But whatever.

Interesting, I’m always learning.

Are you saying you’re sending the data securely with SSL encryption even though that video demo is placed on Techcrunch which is not using SSL? and also that you’re PCI complaint too?

Or are you saying that it is ‘possible in theory’.

Steve

This really isn’t the forum for giving a side by side product analysis. I haven’t tried to pick holes in your product and I won’t bother starting now.

The only point I will clarify however is that it is easy enough to process credit card payments securely using Flash. There are a number of both open source and proprietary code libraries available for this, so whilst not common it isn’t unique.

Jack

Please don’t bail on me now, I am genuinely interested in how competitors different business models are working.

I would appreciate it, and I’m sure Sagar along with other potential users would, if you could at least correct the concerns I had about the security issues, I.e, is data sent in the Flash plugin over SSL and are you PCI compliant?

I’m sure others (along with me) would be also interested to know what percentages your asking from the payments (in total) from publishers sales.

Steve

I’m not going to push the issue by going through your points one by one. Obviously our respective businesses have decided to take different paths here and I’m sorry you weren’t aware that most flash players allow the functionality you’re offering via their API.

I guess only time will tell (in terms of user adoption) which is the most publisher friendly solution.

KR,
Jack

Interesting. Though, I just tried your system and I was first required to register, (with Karsa registration is not required, and this is a put off if someone has already registered on the publishers site) then it asked for my credit card details and full address!

Since this is a Flash widget, there is no mention of whether the data is sent over SSL (which I doubt? given it is flash after all) and if you’re PCI compliant or not?

Nor no clear signal as to who is getting the card details? Is it some Russian?

So I would argue that your payment system is a) not smooth because one has to register first, then put in full card details and address, b) probably not secure? and c) I take it the money is processed by you, thereby you’re taking a cut from sales? how much %% do you take (in total)? I’m sure this might be something publishers might think twice about…

Also what your proposing (while technically possible), in practice a publisher would have to not only navigate the functionality of your plugin and application, but also have set up some rather complicated API functions for other players such as JWplayer to interact with your plugin,

Sounds to me like it’s a complicated process to navigate and again I’m not sure this would justify your original claim:

“This approach arguably makes more sense than a publisher adopting a player just because it can support PPV but which is unlikely to have all the other functionality of a leading platform.”

Accordingly I would argue that the Karsa all in one approach arguably makes more sense.

Since I intend to take the Karsa player in the direction of offering an affiliate program for all publishers, which will allow them to profit when other publishers place and sell their content in exchange for a % of sales, again it makes more sense to have an all in one system which is ultra elegant to use for both the users and the publishers while getting the job done without needing different plugins for every single feature.

BTW the option on the demo link you posted, on your payment page, to pay via PayPal doesn’t work.

Steve

Didn’t mean to touch a nerve, or for this to become a product p**sing match; was just mentioning an option for Kaltura.

…however on your point:

“My system allows publishers to set the time where they want the video to pause and ‘then’ demand payment for continued viewing.

This cannot be done with any third party Open Video Platform (OPV), because it’s operation is integral to the player itself.”

Any decent platform’s API (so Brightcove’s, JW Player’s, etc) does let you set this. If you look at the post Steve O’Hear wrote about our v1 plugin a month or two ago (http://eu.techcrunch.com/2010/06/08/video-monetization-platform-invideous-scores-funding-launches-in-video-micropayments/) and play the video, you’ll see that I’ve set the paywall to kick in at 7secs.

So this is a Brightcove player, with paywall set to come in at a specific time.

Hope that helps.

Jack

The link is in your footer, under ‘publisher’, ‘in-video commerce’ which doesn’t work,

Since you might have come into this conversation sideways, I think you have totally missed the point of the Karsa video player (maybe read the article and see the app).

I have years of experience with pay per view (PPV). I claim pay walls are an ineffective method of charging for online content!

The reason being people will not pay for something they are not already hooked on or have watched some potion off.

My system allows publishers to set the time where they want the video to pause and ‘then’ demand payment for continued viewing.

This cannot be done with any third party Open Video Platform (OPV), because it’s operation is integral to the player itself.

So what it seems is that your offering a Pay wall system for any third party video player to Sagar and others, but I don’t see the need for any publisher to use a third party plugin to handle payments in this way, having to have a separate registration process no doubt (yet another hurdle) and to then have to wait for payments from that provider who no doubt will be taking a cut of sales.

If any publisher wanted a pay wall system, it seems to me (unless I’m missing something here, they could simply just have their own registration system and use any payment system such as Paypal.

Steve

Re. plugin vs. player, I think you’ve missed the point about an application working as a plugin to an OVP rather than as a plugin to a CMS system like Dupral.

This plugin (to OVP) approach means that publishers can stick with their existing video platforms rather than having to change platform just to get PPV functionality.

Making PPV abilities the sole reason for a user to select a certain player type doesn’t really work as users expect all the other functionality that they get from an established platform such as Brightcove etc. I.e. a publisher using Brightcove can get all the functionality of that platform, and add PPV by using a third party plugin such as ours.

This approach arguably makes more sense than a publisher adopting a player just because it can support PPV but which is unlikely to have all the other functionality of a leading platform.

I just tried to check out your ‘in video commerce’ link
http://invideous.com/#
but there is no information about this? In fact when I click on the link it has no page just /# , is this a product you are offering some time in the future but not right now?

Sagar,

With Karsa my system does not need you to install third party plugins, especially for CMS like Drupal which are a serious pain when one wants to upgrade the main Drupal version; all plugins have to be removed for the upgrade (which is torture) then reinstalled and more often than not the plugins are not updated at the same time if ever, leaving you without the functionality of that plugin, thus forcing one to potentially continue with an insecure platform.

With Karsa everything is 123, really simple, and easy to get started and for your own use and for your users. Your users don’t even have to register with you or other companies and all the funds go directly into your own Paypal account not some other companies…

If you want this (watch for free before paywall kicks in) functionality for Kaltura, please drop us a line. Our invideous.com platform has this functionality and works as a plugin for leading OVPs rather than as a standalone player.

Jack

….Fool.