Mozilla platform engineer Rob Sayre has probably had better ideas.
Hoping Microsoft might allow Firefox on their new Windows Phone 7 Series, Sayre wrote an open letter this morning to Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer. “Hola, amigo. I know it’s been a long time since I rapped at ya,” is how it starts.
He then proceeds to make fun of Windows Phone 7 Series, the iPhone, Cocoa Touch, and Unix — all in three concise paragraphs. He notes that Windows Phone 7 Series has a “busted” UI, calls the iPhone’s UI “ugly jelly beans,” and mocks the “allegedly cool” Cocoa Touch “stuff.”
Once he’s done with all of that, he asks Ballmer to consider making an NDK for Windows Phone. An NDK is a companion tool for an SDK that allows you to build parts of apps in native code. For example, it’s the Android NDK that allows Mozilla to make Firefox for Android.
There’s currently no plans to make an NDK for Windows Phone 7 phones — hence Sayre’s post. Without it, a version of Firefox for the OS is probably unlikely. And that may be a good bet anyway, considering Microsoft seems to be pivoting its new phones closer to the iPhone’s closed model rather than Android’s open one.
Sayre’s approach to the post apparently didn’t go over too well — he quickly followed up with an apology post, “Things I’ve Learned.” “Blog posts that sound like Jim Anchower really irritate people for some reason. I won’t do it again, I promise,” he writes.
Rob Sayre is my new hero.
The derelicts at Mozilla torturing the shirkers at Microsoft.
What next. Obama opens a Vegas casino with Lady Gaga?
Funny how your new hero is also a idiot! Last i check firefox don’t seem to have any good looks in comparison to the UI he is bashing… and their future UI for firefox basically looks like chrome, not much to it.
wow, I hope this post is a joke.
Just wait what the new firefox holds!
One of the features clamored by the netizens is having the new firefox cope up with the speed offered by the google chrome. Hopefully, the firefox geeks have a remedy for that.
What to expect the Firefox? http://bit.ly/firefox-4-point-0-best-worst
its not a joke, firefox 4 looks like ie8
3.6 biggest feature was being able to disable the menu bar. funny, cuz it comes disabled by default on IE8 on all computers worldwide. gee i wonder who mozilla copied?
Sort of like microsoft did with tabbed browsing, and the utter rip-off of multiple virtual desktops that we’ve had in Linux for more than a decade?
Trunk, that foul odor you smell, it’s TROLL! When you smell it, walk away, don’t feed. ;-)
I wish Steve Ballmer would respond with an equally awesome message.
This guy needs to take his head out of his own arse.
so the way to make your point is to make an ass of yourself?
Kinda like Monkey-boy Ballmer does, I’m sure you’re thinking.
“Windows Phone Application Platform supports the two predominants client application styles: markup-based [XAML], event-driven applications created with Silverlight and loop-based programs, such as games, created with XNA Game Studio. All development is done in managed code, in a protected sandbox allowing for the rapid development of safe and secure applications. Applications written for Silverlight or XNA Framework[sic] today will run on Windows Phone OS 7.0 CTP with only a minor number of adjustements, such as for secreen size or for device specific sensors.”
go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9713249
So they have a platform that ONLY supports a flash clone as opposed to not supporting it at all.
You have either Steve Jobs, or you have the opposite, and either is as bad as the other.
Google sits in the gray area in between and supports everything.
Solution: use Android and ignore these chair throwing, “I’m gonna kill Google if you leave my company”, clowns.
For the Tech newbies:
http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/networking/2005/09/05/ballmer-vowed-to-kill-google-39216371/
The only thing this guy should be convinced of, is a prescription for Paxil.
I don’t know if this hold true for silverlight apps, but games written in C# with XNA will work on the 360, Windows Machine, and WP7 with small code changes. From a developer perspective this is amazing!
I’m huge supporter of Android, but it has it’s drawbacks which are all related to hardware.
So far I’ve been liking what I see with WP7, no copy and paste is its only drawback for me.
Actually, with windows 7 I see M$ as trying to be exactly the same. They’re trying their old strategy of copying the opposition and using their deeper pockets to win out in the end. Only this time the opposition has some pretty deep pockets themselves…
care to explain how are they copying? cause honestly i see no resemblence in wp7s and the other OS?
Ballmer, probobly think’s the guy is a total jackass now haha.
Here’s the full letter. Doesn’t seem all that bad to me:
Hola, amigo. I know it’s been a long time since I rapped at ya, but I been puttin’ out fires left and right. I have a great idea. Vlad and the mobile team here have Firefox acting pretty awesome on Android using their NDK.
What’s this got do with you? Well, you have this new Windows Phone thing going on. Tufte slammed it a little, and maybe the cropped UI is kind of busted. I’ll give it a shot, though. I think a head to head comparison makes you look pretty good. It makes the iPhone UI look like it’s made of ugly jelly beans. I’m kind of surprised–the allegedly cool Cocoa Touch stuff is reminding me of 90s Unix window managers. Oh wait, that’s what it is. haha.
So, anyway, you guys don’t have an NDK for Windows Phone. But I think there’s an opening here for everyone to do what they’re best at. I suggest you clone the Android NDK API, and add some stuff to make it better. Microsoft rocks at that. We’ll port Firefox, and I’m sure a bunch of games will come along too. It’s gonna be awesome.
“I suggest you clone the Android NDK API, and add some stuff to make it better. Microsoft rocks at that. ”
Again, out of courtesy for tech newbies:
The United States of America vs. Microsoft
RE: infringement of the Sherman Antitrust act
http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/exhibits/684.pdf
2. Clone and Superset Netscape
Some people don’t know what these people at Mozilla are referencing, and they are like WTF.
Until some AI is built into Word Press that auto cites everything, we will have to do it manually for newbs.
+1 Christopher.
+1-5/3.876(3x) Arvind
Windows Phone 7 Series will fail anyway, so Mozilla should not waste its time with it.
First release of WP7S is going to be very buggy, with essential features (like copy paste) missing. It will take another revision for Microsoft to fix the basic shortcomings. The third revision (in 2012 or 2013), Microsoft will be able to start looking at the tablet/slate market for WP7S.
It’s total madness, and won’t work. WP7S is going to get crushed by Android 3.0 and iPhone 4.0.
The other nasty thing about WP7S is that Microsoft is giving itself access to native code for its own apps, but denying 3rd party developers access to it. It’s very unfair and a nasty thing for Microsoft to do. Despite this, the browser in WP7S will be based on Internet Explorer 7, will have no Flash, Silverlight or HTML5, and will be slow and no good for web apps (which is probably the way Microsoft likes it).
Mozilla doesn’t like Microsoft. Microsoft doesn’t like Mozilla. The two should stay away from each other. And users of WP7S will be stuck with just one browser, a hobbled IE7 mobile that will be the worst browser in the mobile market.
Did you think the same when IPhone lacked Copy/Paste?
iPhone could get away with having missing features when it was first released. That was 3 or 4 years ago. The iPhone was radically different. There was nothing else like it, thus no competition. That was enough to create appeal for the device, despite the first version lacking stereo Bluetooth and copy paste. Those issues have now been fixed.
Microsoft thinks it can do the same thing, many years later. No copy paste, and other features lacking in the first version. But it’s too late for Microsoft. The competition in the touchscreen phone market is now fierce, and that grace period is over. Windows Phone 7 Series is going to be DOA.
diana, you are a dumb cunt
Wow.
The micro$oft Fanboi is everywhere.
She is pretty dumb though
The iPhone lacked core features “3 or 4 years ago”? Really? What alternate timeline do you live in, exactly?
Right now Android doesn’t support flash and the iPhone will never support flash.
WP7 will not support flash at launch but will eventually.
Although it doesn’t make sense why Silverlight web apps won’t work on WP7, the solution is simple, convert it to WP7 app using Silverlight. They it will come later not at launch.
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” will be slow and no good for web apps”
What do you have to support this claim?
First gen WP7 will have some shortcomings as did the other first gens like webOS, Android, iPhone OS…but will improve with future updates. Compare Android 1.0 to 2.1, nuff said.
Try to have some objective in your comments, and not make up fact(see “WP7S is going to get crushed by Android 3.0 and iPhone 4.0.”).
Employees of Global Tetrahedron have a dim view of Jim Anchower.
The hola amigo bit is from The Onion
Isn’t that just Spanish for ‘Hello friend’? Its a common phrase, you can’t attribute it to someone!
Wow. Who cares?
Some developer wrote a not-totally-but-trying-to-be funny letter on his blog to someone who will never read it. Hmm, maybe I’ll write an open letter to Marissa Meyer utilizing hip-hop slang to ask her on a date while simultaneously slamming her business choices. It’s your next big story.
Haha. Awesome.
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thank you for that highly relevant input
The guy sounds like he was drunk when he wrote that letter.
id like to see mozilla get the bloat out of their code first. It WAS a great browser now it crashes my mac daily. Been using Google Chrome lately but do miss the apps of ff.
Steve Ballmer likes to wax his fat bald head by dipping it into a bowling ball shiner every morning before work.
They don’t sell it & it won’t make a significant change in FF market share, So, why do they even bother?
What this guy was thinking? If you want to ask a favor from someone you don’t bash them first!
Sounds like a real geek….
I totally agree. If you want a favor from someone or some company you just don’t demean or criticize their profession or the products that they put together; especially when it’s Microsoft. I wonder if this “Mozilla Engineer” still has his job or have been given a “leave” of absence.
More proof that socially stunted engineers should stick to writing code. It’s amazing how many of these propeller-heads think their competency to program automatically qualifies them to do business development or whatever else they choose. After they get egg all over their face, they waddle back to their cubicle, typically none the wiser.
I wouldn’t call it overly offensive, just obviously ineffective and pointless.
This wouldn’t even be funny if it was a SNL sketch.
That he mentions Jim Anchower lets me know he was just trying to be funny. If he wasn’t then oh well he can join millions of others that have tried to make a funny and fell flat.
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Why is the image for this post on the homepage distorted?
No one finds this weird for such a huge editorial?
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/5553/techcrunch.jpg
haha .. I would have waited to see the same (an equally intense) message from Steve Ballmer
Don’t see anything wrong with his blogpost – fresh and a good suggestion
wasn’t open Apis the cause sucess of windows?
idiot pose he has in the picture….poser.
Needs something to fix the internet explorer browser now, because it’s crashing again and I need to upload videos.
Yeah, i can’t wait and wonder how steve balmer is going to say about that.
Have swithched everything possible AWAY from Windows. Period. Look at that picture of Balmer. Would you buy anything from him? A newspaper, shoes, aluminum siding, used car? Check out his picture at the New York Stock Exchange. He looks like the devil himself with his tongue hanging out.