Check-In Fatigue. Or, Why I’m Rooting For An All-Out Location War.
MG Siegler
Mar 19, 2010

I didn’t have the same problems at SXSW this year that some people did. Was it too crowded at some events? Sure. But there were plenty of alternative things to do. Did some of the keynotes bomb? Yes. But there were plenty of other things to listen to. Did AT&T fail? No. Actually, they did an awesome job keeping the network up. Instead, I had a problem of a different kind: check-in fatigue.

Seeing as location was this year’s Twitter at SXSW, and seeing as I write a lot about location, I wanted to try to use as many of the services as I could during the actual conference. I drastically underestimated how much work that would actually be.

At first, I was using all of the services I had on my phone to check-in when I arrived at a place in Austin. This included: Foursquare, Gowalla, Loopt, Whrrl, Brightkite, Burbn, MyTownCauseWorldHot Potato, Plancast, and (at certain places) Foodspotting. Even with great AT&T service, this would take a solid 10 minutes or more to check-in to all of them. And it took even longer when I’d have to pause to explain to my friends what the hell I was doing on my phone all that time.

This was at every venue we stopped at. The situation simply wasn’t tenable.

By the second day, I had cut the services I would check-in to in half. It still wasn’t close to being something I would consider doing on a regular basis. By the end of my time in Austin, I was down to using only two services — yes, the two in the midst of the “war” — Foursquare and Gowalla.

Pretty much everyone I knew in Austin were also using both Foursquare and Gowalla to send out all their check-ins. And all seemed to agree: it was still too tedious to use even just two services to do the same thing. In the end, there should be only one.

And so it should be no surprise that a few companies are already working on a solution for this problem. One is by the creators of Brightkite, who managed to obtain the killer check.in domain name. The team showed me a preview of the app at a party one night, and I immediately knew it was exactly what I needed (see a preview of it here).

And LocationFu is another (web-based) app that allows you to check-in with Foursquare, Brightkite, Fire Eagle, and Twitter simultaneously.

But there’s a problem with these solutions too. Currently, Gowalla’s API is read-only, which means you actually can’t use another app to check-in to the service. I spoke with CEO Josh Williams a bit about this just prior to SXSW, and he noted that the main thinking behind this is to maintain the user experience Gowalla is looking for (a very Apple-like argument). But, he did say that eventually he thinks they will open up a two-way API — maybe once they have time to create some best practices documentation, he noted.

Another problem is that currently each of these check-in services has their own places database. That means that a place on Foursquare may be slightly different than a place on Gowalla, even though they’re technically the same place. Worse, there are plenty of duplicates for some venues since people are allowed to create their own. Check.in works around this place problem by doing a look-up on each service and letting you pick the correct check-in spot. But it’s a bit slow, and still seems rather tedious.

A better solution would be for the various services to adopt a standard for places. The Activity Streams group is working on such a concept. Yahoo may also be able to implement such a system on top of its WOEID system. Of course, any service that adopts such a standard would be risking at least part of their business since these place databases are one of the keys to each service.

Meanwhile, Facebook is thinking about aggregating data from both Foursquare and Gowalla for its own upcoming location implementation. Might that be the one location stop to rule them all (of course, the writing back to Gowalla would still likely be an issue)? Not if Twitter has anything to say about it.

I love that all these startups are emerging around location right now (at least a dozen more have emailed me just since I’ve been back from SXSW). But I’m starting to worry that this is going to turn into a repeat of the social wars, where we all have 15 different profiles we constantly have to update across a range of networks.

During our Realtime Crunchup last year, I brought up this issue during our panel on location. All the players on stage (including Twitter, Foursquare, Hot Potato, Google Latitude, GeoAPI, and SimpleGeo) seemed to want to say that they could all get along and play nicely together for the betterment of location as a whole. I didn’t buy it then, and I’m definitely not buying it now.

From a business perspective, it doesn’t make sense for these guys to all play nicely with one another and make it so you don’t have to use their services. The need to take steps to ensure that you will use their service, and will do so instead of a rival service. That’s the way it works, and that’s the way it has always worked. And that’s why it’s a war. Right now, it’s just the early stages where all sides are arming themselves. Soon, they’ll try to kill one another. And that may not be such a bad thing.

[photo: flickr/intagiblearts]

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  • Michael

    I personally do not understand the need to know where everyone is all the time. Maybe I’m not that social but I gave up on the “social networks” years ago. Never had a MySpace profile, only had a Facebook profile while I was in college (and got tired of people from high school wanting to be friends when we were not friends during high school) cancelled Facebook after they did a User Rights update that I did not like. The only reason I have a Twitter is for breaking news; I have never done an update.
    If I want to know where a friend is or what they are up to I call/text them. I feel the “social networks” are to feel that we are all staying connected because we know where everyone is or what they are doing but in reality it just causes people to become disconnected.
    All of this is my opinion of course.

  • http://danielchessmanjohnston.wordpress.com/ Daniel Johnston

    I definitely agree. I used to use a bunch of check-in services, but when the next time I traveled after I added them all, it was just unbearable. There should only be one. I can’t wait to see who will win; it will make my life much easier.

  • Chris

    There used to be tons of search engines. Then there used to be tons of social networking sites. Location services will shrink too.

  • Sean

    This whole “location” thing is overrated. This isn’t like people were saying “blogs are overrated” in ~2004, or “twitter is overrated” during the last couple years. Location simply isn’t interesting. Unless you’re a celebrity (internet celebrity doesn’t count), not a single person on earth gives a crap about where you are, except maybe you’re significant other and your one or two best friends. But people happily spam their thousands of twitter followers with their foursquare/gowalla nonsense, as if any of them really care. Super annoying.

  • Sam

    It looks to me like Facebook is going to come down on these players like a ton of bricks if they launch location associated with your status updates. The key pieces being that they have the graph of people you would tell your location and the privacy controls to narrow it further, the huge installed base of the Facebook app that could be upgraded on Android and iPhone to support optional checkin and those QR codes aren’t showing up on profiles and fan pages for no reason either. I’m hoping the smaller players are planning for the future.

    How should they prepare? Probably by being the system that best integrates with Facebook and focuses primarily on the data and local advertising rather than the consumer experience.

  • http://www.yourlocalblog.com Dan Cote

    I’m surprised that none of these services have thought about adding an option to their service to have the application do an auto-checkin when you arrive at a location. Maybe the user would simply turn an auto checkin option on, and then the user wouldn’t have to worry about manually checking in. For those worried about privacy they wouldn’t use the auto checkin. The possible roadblock to this type of solution would be the users that have turned off GPS on their phone because their battery life is draining.

    -Dan Cote
    Founder of http://www.YourLocalBlog.com
    (A hyperlocal map-based blogging network)

  • http://www.aufkeinenkreativeschaos.com Lutz

    a kind of check-in aggregation and than the culture of several services would definitely be great.
    but I think in long term will the service with the maximum “transparency” win. and with this I mean with my bad english a service where I could show my location the whole world, but also only to my friends – means a service with is nicely integrated with my “life-stream” facebook. it´s about the context. it has to make sense that my beautiful girlfriend shows where she is ;)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=73801781 John Barker
  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=73801781 John Barker

    Urgh, the last bit didn’t post. Should’ve said:
    “http://check.in — I love it!”

  • Cub Scout Bill with a Million Badges

    +1MM

    Like, OMG, I got a BADGE! I am KING OF THE F’IN HILL…I got a BADGE!

    What the hell is this, 2nd Grade Cub Scouts?

    If you’re over 8 years old, you should be SOOOOO Embarrassed by being excited over this meaningless drivel.

    This is the sure sign that the Recession is a Depression and there’s very little emerging technology to truly inspire the imagination. Or, everyone has become so dumbed-down (140 characters helps that along, thank you), that anything of substance is lost in the quest for the superficial.

    #locationhype FAIL

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=748572418 Warren Benedetto

    +1

    Amen, brother.

    I don’t experience check-in fatigue, because I don’t check in anywhere. Problem solved.

  • http://www.foodspotting.com/alexa Alexa Andrzejewski

    SXSW was an interesting test bed for location apps for sure… it was the first time I actually had a REASON to use these apps besides badges or showing off where I’m at: At any given moment, I wanted to know where everyone I knew who was at SXSW was and wanted to make sure people could find me if they wanted to.

    I used Foursquare, Gowalla, Plancast, and a Twitter List of everyone I knew who was at SXSW to do so (which I actually found most effective for keeping tabs on people). (And yes I used Foodspotting — but to find food, not people… and I admittedly spotted many of the foods posthumously.) While I didn’t use half as many apps as MG, it was still time-consuming and irritated my travel buddies.

    But this newfound power to make serendipity happen more often was just so enticing! And it was also overwhelming: I felt obligated to optimize my plans every moment to be where the right people were (and where the best food was), instead of just bumbling into a place and seeing what happened. Yet despite all the checkin apps, I still ended up doing the latter anyway… and despite my constant checking and checking in, I actually can’t think of an encounter that the checkin apps enabled that wouldn’t have happened otherwise, so while I depended on them like a drug, I guess I could still question what they actually enabled.

    In any case, the moment I got back to SF, half of the apps I’d put on my home screen during SXSW became instantly half as relevant. In my day to day life, I don’t generally care where all of my friends and connections are at every moment. If I see that MG is at BiRite, I’m not going to just go drop by and hope to run into him. And I wouldn’t expect you to try to find me just because I’m hanging out at Adaptive Path today.

    It really makes me wonder which apps will prove to be the most generally useful beyond the little microcosm that is SXSW. At SXSW, the urge to know where everyone is happened all the time.

    But what’s the trigger for launching these apps in day to day life?

    It’s different for different apps and different people (maybe YOU have the urge to know where all your friends are all the time), but finding a good trigger & making sure people think of your app first when that “urge” happens will be critical to succeeding in the location space.

  • http://www.tom-hart.com Tom Hart

    I’m just glad to see the people who know SM, exposing the weaknesses of this model as the rest of the world hails these as the next sliced bread… more on the social/location bubble- http://bit.ly/9ioZo6

  • Microsoft

    exactly, its un-productive lame shit like this that makes the web look bad.

  • Tom

    Google Lattitude?

  • http://librarianchat.com/forum/ librarianchat

    There’s alwasy an angle out there for somebody to take.

  • MyLocator ™
  • http://librarianchat.com/forum/ librarianchat

    There’s always an angle out there for somebody to take.

  • http://www.mobileinc.co.uk Murat

    If you’re getting fatigue and you write for a tech blog how is Foursquare gonna capture and keep normal users?

    I think Foursquare and the others are flash in the pan. None of my friends use the service and neither do their friends, making it seem a bit pointless in joining.

    I did a test and out of 1500 friends and friends of friends, zero used Foursquare.

    This is definitely Facebooks area for the taking

    http://mobileinc.co.uk/2010/01/18/foursquare-reality-check/

  • Jim

    Actually, I don’t think you’ll find many celebrities checking-in. They have enough problems with paparazzi.

  • Jim

    I don’t think it’s anyone’s area for the taking, really. If Facebook flips the switch on location, I can see it ending up like Beacon.

  • http://www.cdnpal.com Christopher

    With all due respect, most people just use Latitude with Android and forget about these disparate services.

    I for one do not care about them. My GTalk friends can see my location, when I have that set to true, and that’s good enough for me.

    They can even see my cell phone pictures on a map instantly after I take them, or locate me on a map as I am driving somewhere and intercept me if they so wish to do so.

    Latitude is free with Android phones and as far as I could tell when the Maps app updated, it is opt out.

    Geodelic (Sherpa) was the only app I found even remotely useful, and even there the Google voice search from the maps application beats the crap out of Geodelic. They did have a good song and dance routine at Twiistup though.

  • http://www.cdnpal.com Christopher

    Every single one of the applications mentioned were DOA. Loopt was DOA. The only reason they are even mentioned is to promote their potential M&A. But I don’t even see the dumbest exec buying into it at Google.

    Perhaps this is AOL M&A territory. Look at the great job they did buying XDrive.

    Or they could hire somebody like Rosenblatt to sell it off to Murdoch.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1439252123 Dean Blackburn

    I could see this working, if the user had a “selectable posting delay” slider – some people will want to instantly update to let friends know where to go, and others will want to have results delayed an hour or six, just to keep stalkers off their back.

    It’s definitely all doable…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1439252123 Dean Blackburn

    Another overlooked point – it’s not using all these services that is the problem – most people would happily “check in” only using their favorite app… It’s having your friends see the checkin “live” that is the problem…

    So perhaps we need either a “Meebo of Location”, or we need an easier way to tell which friends will be updated on a given service if we only use the one.

    Either way, there’s not so much a need for a war, but for some consolidation/standardization of both place and notifications (leaving companies their badge/game/points/gifts secret sauce).

  • Dee

    I agree. You have to be incredibly narcissistic to want to use these services and then cross post them to twitter everytime you check into a place. The only social networking services (not counting blogs) that matters to the masses is Facebook and Twitter. That’s more than enough.

  • bernie lomax

    MG is the shit! Fucking love it.

    Not a soul I know uses FourSquare. It’s for the early adopter tech crowed. No one else gives a shit. This is Facebook’s area for the taking, if not Google (with Latitude). Get over this check-in crap. No one gives a shit.

  • http://www.mobileinc.co.uk Murat

    nah I think there really is a demand for location based status updates, Facebook will probably opt you in automatically (which is wrong) or do one of those big ‘tool tip’ style notifications prompting you.

    If you enable all the people who use m.facebook, x.facebook and apps to display their location when they update I think it will be useful and let developers make some great services off the back of it.

    Check this out:
    http://mobileinc.co.uk/2009/05/16/concept-location-based-lbs-geo-status-updates-on-facebook/

    I’m eager to know what they are going to do. I hope the QR Code wasn’t the big news otherwise it’s a bit of a let down

  • http://tweetprivate.com Shan

    That’s where I private checkin like mine ..would be more useful.

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  • Research

    Agree! All these sites are to narrow and too much about one thing – where to get free stuff. It is interesting but there is much more to this technology.

    What about if you want to get updated about news, local stories, deals and so on in the town you visit for the first time? If you look at http://www.happenex.com they connect you to cities and people.

    They allow you to place stories (restaurant reviews, your own problems… you name it), pictures and videos to cities where they want them to be seen.

    They also have a different approach than foursquare and gowalla because on happenex! you actually can follow people and CITIES. So even you are away in NY you know what is going on in your city.

    I think the model of check-ins is too weak to be a gold rush.

  • John

    SXSW sure sounds fun for technology freaks. I sure hope i have a chance to visit it though.

  • Warren

    The winner of the “location war” is who monetizes it the best, and who makes it matter to the broadest possible audience. Let grandma check in to Walmart to get 10% off her next purchase, and don’t give her a “douchebag” badge for doing so. If Foursquare and Gowalla don’t get themselves a clue badge, they will be left holding an empty pot wondering where the trendsetters went to.

  • Sean

    Yeah, maybe if Apple allowed background apps, they would do this. But because all the hipsters have iPhones, and only the hipters use location apps, what’s the point? Apple takes a shit on their face and their users call it gold. Unfortunately gold != awesome apps that do stuff that is useful.

  • Prathap Rajamani

    Is It is difficult to detect check-in fatigue in real time?

  • http://www.yeahimok.com Steve Henshaw

    Want a private check in? Have a look at the iPhone app Im OK.

  • Brian D

    A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?

    -Joshua

  • douche

    Someone has to stop this madness!

  • bantheinternet

    I guess I’m a bit of a dummy about this stuff, but can someone please explain what is the point of ‘checking in’ to every place you go?

  • http://www.metasieve.com Björn Wilmsmann

    Seriously? You checked into ten (10!) different services when entering a place?! There wasn’t much else to do then I suppose.

    I mean, software is supposed to make our life easier and more fun.

    While I see a point in using one (as in 1!) service like Foursquare, Gowalla and the likes to share your location, having to use 10 different services before doing anything useful at a place is nothing short of a complete waste of time.

    So, I totally agree with you: In the end in the location-sharing market there will be only enough space for one or two major players.

    Unless, of course the current players manage to agree on some sort of open protocol and infrastructure you can tap into.

    I’m not sure though if that’d make sense at all. Why play nicely with your competitors when there’s a fair chance you can have it all?

    Perhaps, we’ll see the creation of niches with providers like Foursquare and Gowalla covering the large cities and smaller local providers covering smaller cities and rural areas.

  • Geoff

    1 @Bjorn: “I mean, software is supposed to make our life easier and more fun.” Well said.

  • http://locationary.com Grant

    Locationary.com is building that global canonical set of places that MG referred to — that “standard of places”. Our goal is to centralize this data for everyone to use and commercialize in their sites and apps. We believe that there needs to be an open ‘structured data’ standard for what is effectively public geo-information. We now have ‘scouts’ in 44 countries helping to seed the system. It’s an ambitious project and we’ve come a long way but we can always use more help. If you want to contribute, please contact me through the site.

  • Moe Glitz

    Once Facebook and Twitter start offering cool new location services, these bunch of small potatoes will be fried!

  • Anonymous

    This is an interesting space… and those who don’t understand it either 1) aren’t entrepreneurs, 2) aren’t technologists, or 3) are jealous that their little Twitter-clone didn’t get featured.

    With that said, I think the winner will be Facebook. Imagine if they add a “check in” button on their mobile site. I think the big loser is going to be Gowalla. They’re already off to a bad start by becoming a “walled-garden.” Foursquare will probably end up somewhere in the middle.

  • Mike

    It strokes the egos of hipsters and trendy tech kids who want to impress all of their buddies with all of the hip and cool places they visit.

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  • TomHandy

    Ostensibly the main point is to allow your friends/etc. to know where you are. In terms of practical applications, the most practical would seem to be “User B gets an alert that User A has checked in at a restaurant a block away from where they are. They could go and meet up with them.”.

    I get the impression for at least some people it’s almost a form of bragging or showing off how hip and cool you are by announcing to everyone you know that you’re at some hip location.

  • Brian D

    I imagine another story stream item I would block.

    The issue with all these apps is the users win nothing. Even the ones who get a free coffee via being the Grand High Poobah still invest more than they gain.

    Geolocation is not for the end user atm. That needs to change in order for it to be nothing more than a novelty.

  • tatsuke

    “I’d have to pause to explain to my friends what the hell I was doing on my phone all that time.”

    This is why I don’t “get” location; spending time with friends who aren’t with you instead of the friends you are.

  • tm

    Wow I’d love to live in a world full of people so busy checking-in/tweeting/fbooking etc that they never look up from a phone. Checking in is the ultimate ego stroke, and honestly it’s flooding twitter w/ tons and tons of crap. It’s to the point where you need a “filter out all the douches checking in” button. Hey MG i have a solution to your problem. Stop checking in, NOBODY cares where you are, I mean really, NOBODY at all cares. Use your time to do something else, like talk to people.

  • Alexa Andrzejewski

    Great idea! You don’t need a consolidated check in app… since Gowalla doesn’t have a write api anyway… just a consolidated stream-viewer. FriendFeed for location apps.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=549948108 Michelle Alexandria

    Not to be unhip or anything, but what the heck is Check In???? Based on the comments I’m assuming it’s a service where you go to a place and then tweet about it? If so, it sounds incredibly stupid, narcissistic and pretty dangerous to let a bunch of strangers know exactly where you are at all times.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=503041989 Josh Lewis

    Wow. You’re such a hero.

  • http://communityzenmaster.com Lawrence Liu

    1. Check-in fatigue sounds like my son complaining about having to do too many things to get his Boy Scouts segment awards and merit badges.

    What I’m having is location-hype fatigue.

    Yelp should really own this space as an integrated feature. Why aren’t they doing it?

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  • VDOVault

    Would someone please write an app where I can do the following so that people get the hint that this is more annoyware than useful?

    Sample exchange @doucheusinglocationcrapware I’m at [location]

    From me they get 5 @user tweets in a row (thanks to the app of course)

    @doucheusinglocationcrapware I’m not at [location]with @doucheusinglocationcrapware

    @doucheusinglocationcrapware I’m not at the mall

    @doucheusinglocationcrapware I’m not in a box

    @doucheusinglocationcrapware I’m not with a fox

    @doucheusinglocationcrapware I’m not at a Pauly Shore movie

    (you get the idea…the funnier the @user tweets are the better)

    That will shut this horse-puckey right down.

    It’ll be like Rob Me Please but more effective (too many people using this crap don’t even know about Rob Me Please or check to see if their stuff is appearing there but they do look at their @user messages)

    Also when this sort of thing overloads Twitter (or Facebook) they’ll shut this stuff off.

  • Yuri Ammosov

    I think is is painfully clear from the discussion that the value of broadcasting your location has not yet been figured out by any one of the LBS services mentioned. MC, too bad you cannot opt out of all these services because it is your job.

  • http://broadstuff.com/archives/2143-The-Great-Location-Shakeout.html broadstuff

    The Great Location Shakeout…

    Was reading this piece on TechCrunch about location services at SXSW: At first, I was using all of the services I had on my phone to check-in when I arrived at a place in Austin. This included: Foursquare, Gowalla, Loopt, Whrrl, Brightkite, Burbn, MyTo…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=551996220 jash

    you forget yelp’s iphone app

  • Sherie Rhie

    This whole location thing (4square, twittter, etc.) seems like it’s going to be a flash in the pan. Once the technology exists and all players are offering location services it will become stagnant and boring again. What ever happened to calling my facebook friend and asking him where he is?

    On the other hand, Just like Yelp and foursquare, geo-tagging/location capability is starting to have all the hype, but why?

  • http://hashceratops.org/ Michael Muse

    MG – this was actually what we have been doing at Hashceratops.org, an initiative you have covered in the past: http://techcrunch.com/2009/10/27/hashceratops-aims-to-formally-add-place-tagging-to-the-twitter-stream/

    I feel like if a news item about location based services doesnt have the word “foursquare” in it, people seem to ignore it. So until foursquare joins us at hashceratops, people will not care that there already IS a standard, and that this could power better universal checkins. You can read more about this project on my blog: http://bit.ly/2E4wsu

    As an update, we will soon be opening up twitter usernames in addition to the pure hashtags, as an added incentive to join this community of location based services and support our initiative. reach out to me on twitter for more: @hashceratops

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=2602778 Zach Landes

    +1!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=73801781 John Barker

    Location contextualizes your post; if you’re mobile and posting something interesting it’s great to know where it’s happening — plain and simple. Think of location as the verb that describes your update.

  • http://www.echoecho.me Nick Bicanic

    I said from the beginning that check-in services will not be able to break out from the early adopters. For reasons many other commenters have outlined. That’s why our service is based around solving real problems (i.e. helping you locate your friends) as opposed to providing technical solutions in search of problems… ;)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=676354363 Michael Langer

    All this Bitching and Moaning means people are disrupted and polarized by location based apps. A likely sign of their success.
    Remember this? “Social Networks? Meh! Why would I want others knowing my personal life? Twitter? Meh! Who cares what I am doing?” and so it goes……

  • bantheinternet

    Thats pretty much the impression I had, just thought I’d check I wasn’t missing something!

    I guess Im old fashioned but I like a bit of mystery, romance and chance.. These floods of ego-centric information drowning ‘social media’ serve to erode at all that for people that get caught up in it all.

  • Dave

    For me, I think the real value of location based “check-ins” isn’t where somebody can tell me where they are so that I can go run and meet up with them, but rather add some value to that place for me in the future. If a friend of mine is down in Austin, there’s a pretty good chance I’m not there right now since I live in NYC …. but three months from now if I’m down in Austin and I can pull up all of the notes my friends have left during time there to help me figure out what to do, then that adds value to my experience.

    Right now these services are trying to define themselves as THE location service … and as a result they’re leveraging people’s social connections as free advertising for their services … frequently at the expense of cluttering up the streams of their users’ friends.

    My hope is that the “war” will eventually settle down, and rather than it being about putting push-pins onto a map to say you’ve been someplace, it becomes more about the value you’ve added to that place for others.

    Foursquare uses the “mayor” title as the virtual head of a location … but what good is a mayor if their only accomplishment is just showing up? It’s got to evolve into adding lasting value for others in your social grid.

  • James

    It gives you something to say in an automated way to your friends on facebook and/or Twitter. You might even appear interesting.

  • MyLocator ™

    “check in” has nothing to do with the future of next generation LBS. being able to “check out” is more the mode. people want to “check out” people, products and services around them. its not rocket science.
    the only thing killer about check.in is its ablility to kill your business.

  • http://www.boalt.com Adam Boalt

    I agree completely…Foursquare and GoWalla are pioneers in this space, but I think it will really be Facebook that brings checking in to the masses. The infrastructure’s already there and people already use Facebook obsessively on their mobile phones.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=621599484 Paramendra Kumar Bhagat

    Right now FourSquare seems to be in the lead. @paramendra

  • Confused

    MG maybe im wrong but you are not obliged to use ‘any’ of these services.
    if you find it a pain to ‘check in’ then dont.

  • http://travellersmantra.com traveller

    WiFi at SXSW rock…..it powered by Cisco gear.

    http://travellersmantra.com/2010/03/12/royal-reservations-part-ii/

  • http://Startupalley.net Sean

    What about Yelp? Do you not consider them a player since they are not a pure play? One could argue that they have a big head start on the location database and a ton more date original about those places that cannot be replicated

  • http://blog.urbanhorizon.com/ Andrew Scott

    MG, as quite often you ignore two of the European leaders who were also there, albeit in less force. Rummble (UK) and Tellmewhere (France).

    The internet being global as it is and our combined user base well over 1/2 million, it would be good to be included to give your U.S. readers further choice of service ;-)

  • http://courtenaybird.com Courtenay Bird

    This is the most thoughtful comment I’ve seen. I completely agree with you, Alexa, on the loss of interest in and lack of relevancy of these apps back in “the real world.” Sure, Foursquare is outstanding for organizing a 2am flashmob, seeing who else I know is where I am, and figuring out where they are all heading in droves next… but day to day? Eh. Even on the weekends at home, I’m much more likely to text a group together at a specific location and check in as an afterthought.

    So what will be, as you put it, the trigger for launching these apps into day to day life? My money is still on marketing-to-the-individual/B2C scenarios. I would take a moment to check in at CVS if Foursquare would then tell me that I can get a better deal at RiteAid on my usual purchases as determined by Blippy. Or even if I could just check in at an intersection and have a Scoutmob-style coupon pop up and entice me to try somewhere new for lunch.

    Great post, MG.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1518099590 Dane Findley

    Perhaps it depends on where you live. I live in Los Angeles, and I enjoy location services (I use Flook and Foursquare). LA is an insider’s town, by which I mean that it is not that pedestrian-friendly and you have to drive nearly everywhere. Looking out your car window while driving 35 miles an hour, it all looks like blurry strip malls, windshield glare, and pavement. Geo-tagging let’s you know where your friends and colleagues are and find out about places you probably didn’t know about before. What can I say? To me, it *is* fun and interesting (and to some degree, even useful).

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    Fatigue is common with age

  • Dave Hanna

    it is rewarding the consumer by the merchant who is going to win and facebook will have very little to do with it.

    2D barcode is great but you cannot measure it at POS unless you have new readers, which over 90% of all US merchants do not.

    2D is niche if anything

  • Dave Hanna

    Google sent out 2D barcode stickers to over 100,000 of the brick and mortar merchants- they will be in the game but also charge the merchant for search data

  • rudimentary

    It takes time. Most of the comments above on target in my estimation. Little utility for the person checking in at the moment and yes very early adopter phase. The values will be when something can be done with the realtime information of those few “friends” you are willing to share location based data and the masses that may be in the same location such as a crowded bar.
    I may want to setup a “virtual betting” game with the Foursquare “friends” and local drunkards at my favorite bar checkedin and watching a particular March Madness game.
    I believe there is something to the fact the network of people you will share lat/long location is generally limited making that segment of your social network possibly more valuable for certain experiences but that can be overridden for other types of interactions when you want to partake of something within a large group

  • Johnno

    Spot on. Its likely that somebody’s facebook profile will become the new target for mobile marketing as more and more people with mobiles are online and using facebook and perhaps moving away from older services based on WAP or SMS which would identify them to 3rd party services by their phone number. Location+Facebook is a great way to recognise and target these people. Facebook should be able to drive the idea of using its LBS to the masses, whereas current services like Foursquare etc do still appear too geeky to me at present.

  • http://www.d4bmarketing.com Dave Finkelstein

    I agree with many of the posters here. i’m not sure i get the utility of this whole category nor do I really want anyone to know where I am all the time. I also don’t trust that many people that I would listen to their recommendations on anything.

  • Mike

    Why does there need to be any new service at all? Post your location over whatever other medium you use to talk to your friends (Email, IM, Twitter, Facebook).

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  • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/nusret1 yuregininsesi

    The winner of the "location war" is who monetizes it the best, and who makes it matter to the broadest possible audience. Let grandma check in to Walmart to get 10% off her next purchase, and don't give her a "douchebag" badge for doing so. If Foursquare and Gowalla don't get themselves a clue badge, they will be left holding an empty pot wondering where the trendsetters went to.

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