More News about Omidyar’s Peer News
Sarah Lacy
Mar 18, 2010

I’m at the NewsMorphosis Conference in Hawaii today locked in a day of debates about the state of news quality and how the hell we find a business model to keep paying for it. It’s a big issue locally– earlier this year three of Hawaii’s five largest TV news stations merged operations and the Honolulu Star-Bulletin is  merging with the other daily paper the Honolulu Advertiser, resulting in plenty of layoffs and general civic concern.

So it’s fitting that the conference ended with a talk by John Temple, the editor of eBay founder Pierre Omidyar’s new Peer News site, a test case in how the future of local news could work. And thankfully, we finally got a few more details on the site and the approach.

Temple was clear to say “there is no silver bullet” when it comes to fixing the media business, but also sees a great deal of hope in the volatility– this from the guy who was head of the now shuttered Rocky Mountain News, a paper that’s already gone through what so many dailies are dreading.

“We’re not trying to reinvent a local newspaper and put it on the Web,” he said. Indeed, the mission of Peer News doesn’t even contain the words “news” or “media” or “paper.” It’s simply “to create a new civic square.” Core to the development of Peer were three questions:

-What is the role of a free press in a democracy?

-How would you best fulfill that on a local level using all the tools available today?

-How do you do that in a sustainable way?

On content, the most interesting thing Temple talked about was doing away with “articles” as we know them. He criticized the static, episodic nature by which journalists have traditional covered news, challenging readers to hunt through archives for the information they want. Instead, Peer’s “building block” will be a page that’s always updated almost like Wikipedia, or as he put it, “something closer to a living history on a topic that changes as it develops.” There will no longer be a sense of “missing” an article, because the “articles” will be living things. That also addresses the critique that local news swarms around one issue, then moves on. “We’re not going to be hot topic driven,” Temple says. Going back to those questions, Temple says the role of a free press is to inform citizens so they can make intelligent decisions. “Let’s stop making it so difficult,” he said.

The other hallmark of Peer’s approach is what has made blogs popular– a sense of community. But it’s certainly a different approach. For one thing, Peer won’t have “reporters” in the classical sense, it will have “hosts” who help facilitate this civic square answering questions for the community.  “In this era, the fact that newspapers still rewrite press releases is an embarrassment,” Temple said. “We’re not going to be stenographers. I think that’s a downfall of journalism.”

But for a site that intends to be very community oriented, there was one big shocker: Peer will not have comments. “(Comments) descend into racism, hate, ugliness and reflect badly on news organizations that have them,” said Temple. Why? Because people do not have to show their faces when they comment so there’s no sense of responsibility, he argued. “We think anonymity is a huge problem when it comes to comments,” he said.

Temple also emphasized that the coverage would not pull punches: “We’re going to call things like we see them. We think there’s real value in taking a stand.”

So what about that business model? As Temple noted, there aren’t that many business models out there to chose from. Unlike most media sites, this will be a member site that people “value and will pay for.” He added “advertising would not be a key focus for us.”

Peer should be launching early next quarter, so we’ll be able to see more of these ideas in action soon. But it’s clear that the site– or “news service” as it prefers to call itself– is taking a markedly different approach from old and what we consider “new” media right now.

And with the benefit of some of these details, it seems less out of step for Omidyar to be starting this company. EBay, after all, was one of the first sites to powerfully leverage community on the Web, pioneering a lot of the systems of trust and reputation we still use today.

(More on Temple’s blog here.)

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  • http://www.apture.com Tristan Harris

    This sounds like a great new attempt at local reporting.

    I just got back from SXSW where we tackled the topic of the “Future of Context” with Jay Rosen (professor from NYU), Matt Thompson of NPR, and Staci Kramer from PaidContent. John Temples discussion of re-orienting news away from being “episodic”, and instead towards topic pages that act as re-usable “building blocks” is almost exactly the proposal Matt and Jay and I had promoted in Austin.

    Check out Jay Rosen’s discussion of the “Future of News” as context here:
    http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2010/03/07/what_i_plan_to.html

    Matt’s here:
    http://www.newsless.org/2010/03/the-case-for-context-my-opening-statement-for-sxsw/

    and mine here:
    http://blog.apture.com/2010/03/context-the-future-of-the-web/

    We also have a website up for people who want to further the idea of re-orienting the entire news model around context, here:
    http://www.futureofcontext.com

  • http://danielchessmanjohnston.wordpress.com/ Daniel Johnston

    I believe the role of the free press in a democracy is to report on the news and give the facts, as well as opinions of experts. I do think we have too many people out here who don’t know what they’re talking about influencing the people. Some even say the media is like a fourth branch of the government. I think his idea of having pages like Wikipedia is a very great way, and something that could be very useful, because it could organize all the information in one place. I agree with not having comments on newspapers like that, because people put their opinions in their comments, and if they were an expert, they probably wouldn’t be commenting, so it’s just an amateurs opinion, which isn’t at all what a news paper is trying to do.

    I highly support this idea and hope it spreads further,

  • http://westseattleblog.com Tracy from W. Seattle Blog

    Applause for experimental approaches with information presentation – and for people who help the community get answers – it’s a role we’ve found ourselves taking in addition to curation, collaboration, moderation … But re: that last word, I am sorry to hear they have decided against comments, for such a cliché reason. If you set rules and enforce them, you can have civil discourse. That’s what we do. WITHOUT “real name” requirements or registration. Certainly you might not consider some of our commenters perfectly civil and enlightening, but the discussion is VITAL. It happens during breaking news. It happens when new business owners ask for opinion on what their shops should stock. It happens when weather/utility crises require information-sharing. If Peer has some perfect new system to facilitate that, great – but the comment section works most excellently for that in our view, and we have avoided the racism, the hate, the overt insults, by setting rules and enforcing them as best we can. If ugliness you don’t want on your site – “not in my house” – erupts, you delete it. Simple. I wish more large media concerns would have and enforce rules, but I don’t think the solution is “we won’t have comments, because some people misbehave.” You’re penalizing the majority of people who participate with help, enlightenment, sometimes even humor and good spirit.

  • http://www.johntemple.net John Temple

    Thanks for reporting on my talk. We’re excited to get going! I worry that I wasn’t clear enough about “comments” at Peer News. I want to clarify. What I meant by that remark is that we won’t have comments as they currently exist today on most sites. We’ll have places on our news service that encourage civil conversation and discussion. Readers will participate, as will reporter hosts and editors. We’re trying to avoid the hate, anger, fear, and ugliness that appears all to often in the “comments” section of many sites today. That’s why I said that we’re trying to recreate the experience of the civic square, where you have to take responsibility for your words. But I obviously could have been more clear. We want conversation, not “comments.”

  • http://andrewjkaplan.com Andrew Kaplan

    I’m eager to see where the pay wall will appear on this site. I’m still skeptical of any attempt to make users pay for hard news online, particularly local news. To succeed here, readers will need to get something vastly different than what they receive today when they check the news through their browsers.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=503373859 Alex Salkever

    I am watching this very closely because I think one thing we *don’t* lack in online media is “hosts” or guides. That’s what About.com has been doing all along. Where I see the problem is, who is going to do the hard work of sitting in a city council meeting, digging through back files of paper seeking connections, who will get on the phone and call the people that must be called, who will do the spadework. In rare cases, a community will do that – and usually when they are galvanized around a central drive (like an attempt to thwart a development project). But will a community like this ad hoc create an investigation into something like Watergate, something that is not obvious but in the end becomes of great public good? That is what I worry about the most going missing in journalism (and, to be honest, only a small handful of blogs are going that route). Some tools will make it better. DocuCloud, for one, is immensely promising. But I am still waiting to see more. I will watch Peer News very closely to see how they develop and tackle this issue. Discourse is great. That’s what HuffPo does, for the most part. How about really digging?

  • http://www.wikicity.com Pat Lazure

    Agreed. Publishers need to be cautious w/comments. Good to have, but tread lightly.

    One thing the Omaha World-Herald is doing is allowing community members to build & control content w/ its new (separately branded) WikiCity product. In its infancy, this is still very much an experiment, but it is gaining traction in its first test community: http://www.WikiCity.com/Wahoo

    ‘Would be curious to compare notes w/you sometime, John. Best of luck.

    p.s. Thanks for the coverage Sarah Lacy. When we gonna see you in Omaha again?

  • http://iptiam.com iptiam (iPad, Therefore I am)

    I think ppl are vastly underestimating the impact of new devices and form factors on how everything would happen in the near future. Journalism and TV can all be more social now.

  • http://techhui.com Daniel Leuck

    Aloha Sarah. It was great having you on the panel yesterday. It sounds like Peer News has been working on some sort of reputation system to help facilitate productive debate. We look forward to learning more.

    John – We greatly appreciate you choosing NewsMorphosis for your first public talk about Peer News, and we are very excited that its happening in Hawaii. I’m sure you, Randy and Pierre will do great things!

  • http://mauitime.com Jacob Shafer

    I attended NewsMorphosis and, as editor of one of the two alt weeklies in all of Hawaii, obviously listened with interest to John’s remarks. I like a lot of the things he said, particularly with regard to making news stories living, evolving things (paraphrasing) rather than static, episodic reports, and encouraging civil, constructive, even enlightening reader interaction.

    My big question, as others have mentioned, is where the pay wall goes up. If you’re giving people information for free but charging them to interact with content–which seems to be the plan, though Temple didn’t say that explicitly–what does that look like? How much does it cost? Are payments made through long-term subscriptions, micro-payments or some combination of the two?

    Hawaii, like most places, has small pockets of people who care passionately about the issues. It also has a lot of people who are disengaged and won’t be interested, especially in this economy, in paying to comment on–or, excuse me, discuss–news stories.

    The problem, as ever, is getting enough of the passionate people on board to make it a sustainable business model. As a journalist, news consumer and Hawaii resident, I’m rooting for this to succeed. It would certainly benefit Oahu, which, as Sarah noted, is being hit by serious TV and newspaper consolidation.

    Time, and a real look at exactly how Peer News works in practice, will tell.

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  • coldbrew

    I agree, the pay wall will be interesting, and I believe a failure.

    Where dod local papers derive revenue previously? Classifieds and local businesses. What companies are going after those SMBs? Review sites (e.g Yelp) and LBSs (e.g. Foursquare).

    I think the comments section removal for a supposed “community” site are also poorly thought out.

    They will iterate, and this will change.

  • coldbrew

    [Sorry about the typos]

    And, craigslist needs to think beyond the silo they’ve created, as much as I like CL.

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  • http://www.personal-prophecy-free.com Matthew Robert Payne

    Sounds very exciting news by the people for the people with no real interest in advertising, i like it

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  • http://mauiventure.net David B. Fisher

    I hope Peer News will explore synergy with Omidyar’s Sunlight Foundation. Both Sunlight’s Ellen Miller and White House CTO Aneesh Chopra appear together on the The Future of News series on PBS – see http://tinyurl.com/yepmplv.

    Will also be interesting to see how both use linked data (see Tim Berners-Lee at Ted.com). The Brits are a head of us using this technology at http://data.gov.uk. My understanding is that the NYTimes has started using linked data, as well the BBC music web site. See also http://OpenCalais.com.

    We are in early stages of exploring this on Maui.

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    Whatever they come up with has to better than my local news on tv each night, awful and i live in nyc where there is news.

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