With 100 Million Comments, Topix Has Quietly Become The Local Watering Hole
MG Siegler
Mar 4, 2010

I’m from a relatively small city in Ohio called Pepper Pike. If I want to find out news about it, the easiest thing for me to do is Google “Pepper Pike News.” The number one result is quite useful: Topix.

In fact, Topix is the number one result for a ton of small towns across the country. That’s what happens when you’ve been aggregating local news for six years. But the site has never garnered much attention in the startup scene because back in 2005 (before TechCrunch even existed — our initial coverage was in 2007), it took a majority equity investment from three of the largest media firms in the U.S., Knight Ridder, Tribune and Gannett. Since then, the focus has been all about getting the business to work.

And while Topix has been through some permutations throughout the years, the focus has always been on local and yes, topics. Aggregation was the key to all of this for a while, but in recent years, the community that uses the site has been largely responsible for a lot of the content. And that’s more clear than ever as the site is about to cross 100 million posts (comments).

The milestone should be hit at some point today, as the site is getting about 125,000 comments a day now. That’s on top of 120 million average monthly pageviews from 8.8 million unique visitors. All huge numbers for a site that hardly anyone talks about.

But that’s the thing, people are talking about it, you just may not realize it unless you’re in one of these smaller towns. For these people, Topix is a gathering spot to discuss the local news. Many of these cities (like Pepper Pike) may not have a daily local newspaper or website that makes it easy to discuss issues. That’s exactly what Topix does. And perhaps even a little too easy as the site has to remove some 45,000 comments a month due to things like hate speech, CEO and co-founder Chris Tolles tells us.

Not just that, Topix gets about 10 subpoenas a week due to comments, Tolles says. That’s a pain, but it’s the price you pay for having such an active community.

Why not ban anonymous commenting? Tolles has thought about this a lot, and done internal studies. But all conclude that it wouldn’t be good for the site. For example, while you’re 50% more likely to get a crappy comment from anonymous commenter, you’re also going to get five times the number of comments when you allow for anonymous ones. And if there’s a situation where a person feels the need to call out a local official, doing so anonymously allows them to feel protected, Tolles says.

So, Topix has all these comments, and all this content — but the challenge has been how to monetize it. While Topix has deals with seveal big players, including CNN, the real money remains in advertising. So Tolles has spent much of the past year building up an ad sales team. And following the ad collapse last year, it’s finally starting to pay off. Topix is seeing $4 eCPMs, Tolles says. If that keeps up, he thinks the site can turn a profit relatively soon.

Something else interesting about Topix: mobile usage is huge. While the service has had (what Tolles considers to be currently a sub-par) iPhone app for a while, it’s the mobile web that people seem to be taking to to use the site. And something like 75% of the people who are actively commenting on a mobile device are visiting from an iPhone. That may seem somewhat surprising given Topix’s focus on small towns and communities, but it seems to speak to the iPhone’s appeal to the masses. The big time commenting numbers also apparently speak to Topix’s appeal to the masses.

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  • http://www.southfloridacondos.org/ Mike Florida

    Topix is great for Local Search, much better than Google.

  • Richard Jones

    As a Solon resident I say hi neighbor !

  • http://www.soundsector.net kevin

    only 4 bucks ecpm… Jesus I worked at a company where we received 45 EURO cpm..

  • Richard

    The comments on Topix make YouTube sites look insightful.

  • http://www.meetingwave.com jb

    It seems like Topix has replaced many small papers driven out by changing times. Do they have any reporters on staff? It’s interesting since they appear to have relevant content from other sources without a reporting staff and then a lot of content from Discussions and Comments.

    It seems they set up alerts for individual towns and then publish those that might be of interest to the town. They picked up one of our press releases presumably because a small town (Ridgefield, CT) is mentioned.

    “10 subpoenas a week”? Any indication whether they fight them tooth and nail, or do they automatically disclose the info and use the subpoena as cover. I haven’t read their terms but likely “will remain anon unless we receive a subpoena”.

    Interesting post. I’ve seen topix around for a while but didn’t know much about them. Sort of related to Pierre Omidyar’s startup in Hawaii.

  • Rue

    Funny that you call Pepper Pike a small city in Ohio and not a small suburb of Cleveland. Did you go to US?

  • BTS

    Tolles (and previously Skrenta) have built something that positions Tolles to become the next W. Hearst by creating a place for local news to be created. I have seen this in my town as people start discussions and disclose information that never comes up in the local paper.

    They have already created what AOL Patch is thinking about and Yahoo is playing with in Local

  • Rich

    There is rate-card cpm and then there is the brutal final tally: your total audience-driven revenue divided by your total pageviews — including unsold inventory, login pages, the works.

    The $4 is an honest run-of-site average. It beats what most news sites are getting.

  • Peter Fan

    Many local news aggregates out there, they seem to be all doing well…recently I came across this local news aggregator

  • JV

    Jesus, the comment on Tpoix are fucking depressing. If this is the future of “news,” we’re fucked.

  • Justin

    Let me guess…that was 3-9 years ago.

    Nobody is getting those numbers from age appropriate advertisers, such as the ones that Topix has to support. Most major paper sites would KILL for an overall eCPM of $4.

  • Justin

    Agreed. Local newspaper comments are some of the most ignorant, hateful, and racist of any on the web.

  • bob

    your link to the google search for “pepper pike news” has the client=safari….you ditch chrome already MG?

  • http://www.sharetivity.com Sharetivity

    Congratulations Topix! Looking forward to seeing the company experience even more progression.

  • Brozilla

    Topix is a great site to learn your towns going rate for oxycontin

  • Corey Toth

    Howdy neighbors. I’m from Solon too.

  • http://www.yext.com Howard Lerman

    Topix most certainly drives significant and highly localized traffic, we know this for a fact at Yext.

  • http://www.soundsector.net Kevin

    Not 3 years ago, CPM tariffs in the Netherlands are a lot higher then in Uncle Sam it seems.

    2 years ago the amount paid for 1000 views on a rectangle could get as high as 77 euro.

  • http://denisbhancock.com/2010/03/05/is-topix-really-becoming-the-local-online-watering-hole/ Is topix REALLY becoming the local, online watering hole?

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  • http://www.denisbhancock.com Denis

    I decided to take a quick look at the claim Topix was becoming the “local watering hole” online, pretending I was from Pepper Pike (as the author is). As I explain in some detail on my website, I’m more than a little skeptical of the claim.

    There is actually very little commenting activity around Pepper Pike. Nobody says anything about the truly local issues, and where comments flow in on the “Pepper Pike” page… they tend to be related to stories posted on WJW Fox 8 Cleveland about things like riots and murders in the city. Most tend to come from people big cities – and not just the local ones.

    Maybe I’m missing something, or maybe Pepper Pike is just an anomaly, but it sure doesn’t look or feel like a local watering hole to me.

  • iain

    Topix is a cesspool…

  • iain

    “The comments on Topix make YouTube sites look insightful.”

    Exactly. It’s one of the worst shit-holes of the internet.

  • Adam

    Shout out from Chagrin Falls!

  • http://krisbrower.com Kris
  • http://www.jippidy.com Julian

    My question – if Topix is such a great website and they’ve developed such a loyal following in an obvious niche, why is TC barely getting around to covering them now, six years into operations? And some sites with no track record get plugged as soon as they launch? I find that peculiar. But yes, topix is definitely a great source of news. Glad to see them finally getting their due!

  • http://jillmillerzimon.blogspot.com/ Jill Miller Zimon

    I left MG a comment at WaPo’s edition of this post to say exactly what you’ve said – most of what Topix offers for “Pepper Pike” is actually NE Ohio or Cleveland. The threads with comments are not related to Pepper Pike.

    I’ve been blogging from Pepper Pike since 2005 and as a Pepper Pike City Council member since the beginning of this year. I keep a Google alerts sidebar feed on that site and I do like it but I have to handpick.

    The main thing about Pepper Pike is that two-thirds of the population is 45 or older – late adopters if at all. We’re getting more and more interest in computers, social media, etc. but the number of households without computers is actually quite high for an affluent community, in part because of the age of residents (1/3 are 65 or older).

    Anyway – I know the population demographics pretty well and the penetration into online news etc. is low. I’m the city’s chair of a new committee – Communications/Technology/Web – and am very hopeful.

    But for news? Most residents still rely on the once a week weeklies (Chagrin Solon Sun and Chagrin Valley Times, neither of which can be found online in their entirety and the former is part of cleveland.com – which is the Plain Dealer’s site via Advance News publications) and their neighbors. Honest truth.

  • Anonymous

    Reading the article helps answer many questions, in a lot of cases:

    “But the site has never garnered much attention in the startup scene because back in 2005 (before TechCrunch even existed — our initial coverage was in 2007), it took a majority equity investment from three of the largest media firms in the U.S., Knight Ridder, Tribune and Gannett. Since then, the focus has been all about getting the business to work.”

  • Janey

    Not only is Topix full of ignorant morons, it’s “local” stuff is horribly broken for many many small areas. The town I live in has a name that is also a common male name, and Topix is full of completely inaccurate results.
    And no matter what the article is about, all of them will be filled with comments about how we all just need Jesus Christ or how evil Bush is. It’s a complete cesspool of idiocy.

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  • Patricia

    I ran across topix.com for the first time several weeks ago while searching for local news from my hometown (population appx. 8000 people). Quite honestly, I was appalled by the things being posted on there like personal information about people, pure gossip to the point of being slanderous.
    Even Business Week ran a story on Feb. 11, 2010, that stated: “Kentucky Attorney General Jack Conway and Connecticut Attorney General Richard Blumenthal have asked the community news and discussion Web site Topix.com for additional information about a $19.99 fee that consumers pay for ‘priority review’ of inappropriate posts.”
    It’s not exactly a website that I would want to be associated with given their questionable practices. Allowing too much anonymity on public forums like that creates an environment that can promote hate.

  • Virginia Hoge

    This is bad news! Topix is practicing censorship and MORE. I have conducted a 10-month investigation into Topix.com:
    http://open.salon.com/blog/virginia888/2010/05/12...

    Topix.com is the bubonic plague of the internet, spread the word!

  • BEVERLY

    I am having a very serious problem with Topix Anna Nicole Forum,It is one thing to write a opinion it is another to egg on,and spew hate 24/7.I will hold Topix responsible if there is a problem with Mark Hatten,because the comments from that site are helping someone who is on the verge of harming someone and pushing him to do so,and finding it funny.

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  • BEVERLY

    This is my SECOND COMPLAINT against Topix Anna Nicole Smith Forum.Now your sick members have posted some one medical records that were not supposed to be posted,what? does it take to shut down these dscusting people,?

  • Guest

    Topix made a major mistake by having unmoderated forums, it has become nothing but trash which allows people to slander and libel one another. There are way too many awful and untrue things said about innocent people. The forum section needs to go or make some big time changes. A ton of attorney generals are after this site and topix better make some heavy duty changes because that site is evil.

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    "Im from a relatively small city in Ohio called Pepper Pike. If I want to find out news about it, the easiest thing for me to do is Google Pepper Pike News." Good way.

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  • http://www.rossaldridge.co.uk accident claims

    Wow this has got some people talking ain’t it. Guys don’t get so pi%*!d off with people making comments on sites. For every 5 idiots making a comment, there will be someone that has something worthy to add, you just have to put up with ignoring the crap.

    If you pass a street preacher and think they are talking rubbish you don’t stand around and argue with them that what they are saying is BS you just keep walking. Do they same online.

    Personally I find it quite funny to hear the random thoughts of nut jobs so am heading over to the “omplete cesspool of idiocy” for a little chuckle now!!!

  • anti-socialist

    topix is nothing but a mouth piece for the left. They suxs

  • anti-socialist

    yea and if you are lucky, after wasting all your time on posting something to this pit that they dont delete it because conservative views are not welcomed here……………….

  • http://www.foundingfathers.info/stories/gadsden.html anti-socialist

    censorship exposes your true enemies,.

    Click on my name. I DARE YOU

  • http://manelepedia.info/video/denisa/ Denisa

    there is no need to dear me … i would not click on your name :P

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