The iPad And Chrome OS Netbooks Are On A Collision Course
MG Siegler
Jan 29, 2010

We don’t know how to build a $500 computer that’s not a piece of junk.”

Netbooks aren’t better at anything.”

Those two quotes are both from Apple CEO Steve Jobs. The first was during an earnings call in late 2008 when Jobs fielded a question about why Apple wasn’t cutting prices amid the rising success of netbooks. The second came on Wednesday as Jobs was unveiling the iPad.

Apple has made it clear all along that they had no plans to build a netbook. And true to their word, they haven’t. But that doesn’t mean that Apple didn’t feel there was a need for a device that resided in between a full laptop and a mobile phone — in fact, that’s squarely where Apple is positioning the iPad. With it, they feel that they’ve created a $500 (for the baseline version) device that is superior to every netbook out there.

Meanwhile, Google has decided to target the market in between the laptop and the mobile phone as well. But whereas Apple is anti-netbook, Google is very pro-netbook — they just want to make them better. That’s the reason behind Google’s Chrome OS, as Google clearly laid out during its unveiling event late last year.

And so yes, we once again have Google and Apple on a collision course.

Now, it remains to be seen if people who buy an iPad will do so instead of buying a netbook. At first, I’m not so sure that will be the case. But it stands to reason that eventually, this will happen. And as Jobs’ comments on stage on Wednesday made abundantly clear, that’s Apple’s idea too. In their eyes, you shouldn’t buy a cheap, underpowered PC, you should buy an iPad, their anti-netbook.

Google, which plans to release its first Chrome OS-based netbooks in time for the holiday season next year, can’t like that plan too much. They have promised that netbooks that run Chrome OS will be better than current netbooks because they’re dictating certain minimum requirements (such as big keyboards) to manufacturing partners. But Chrome OS netbooks won’t be able to match the sex appeal of the iPad’s multi-touch screen. However, what they can offer is a familiar experience (much more like a traditional laptop then an iPad), and that will be appealing to a lot of people.

And what’s interesting is that for either of the two to be massive hits, they both will need consumers to continue to feel comfortable moving away from traditional software applications such as Microsoft Office. But their plans to get consumers to do that are very different. Google wants everyone to move towards doing everything on their apps in the cloud. Apple, as they made clear with their overly-long iWork for iPad demo on Wednesday, wants everyone to move towards using iPhone OS-based apps.

And that’s why this battle coming at the end of this year will be interesting to watch. Both Apple and Google are very popular with consumers, but their offerings are very different — while aiming for the same market. And as two companies that were once as close as could be, it’s also fascinating to watch the tension and awkwardness as they now compete in an ever-growing number of areas.

If this market between laptops and smartphones proves big enough, perhaps the two frenemies can once again find a common ground and band together to defeat their common enemy: Microsoft. But the obvious strategy for this used to be that Google would attack Microsoft from the bottom with its Chrome OS netbooks, while Apple attacked from the top with their premium computers, leaving Microsoft squeezed in the middle. With the iPad now clearly aimed at netbooks thanks to its pricing and Apple’s positioning, everything is different.

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  • Mr. Majestyk

    there are little red dotted boxes around many of the hyperlinks on this page, that’s new. It looks terrible.

    Chrome 4.0.249.78 beta.

  • http://andrew.chalkley.org Andrew Chalkley

    Brilliant piece.

    Microsoft have a lack of vision. Maybe this will kick start ‘em – but it’s a catch up game with them.

  • http://giveupinternet.com Give Up Internet!

    Confused. More than ever.

  • http://cont3mlog.blogspot.com Cont3mpo

    Chrome OS will for Tablets, Netbooks, Notebooks, and PC Desktops. See the link… http://dev.chromium.org/chromium-os/user-experience/form-factors

    Collision Course?

  • http://dalelarson.com Dale Larson

    I’m going to buy an iPad, probably wait in line for it as I have with iPhones, but I’d sure be happier with the iPad if it worked better with the cloud. Why do I want to have to email iWork documents rather than having a table full of people all editing the same document from their own machines (laptops and iPads alike)?

  • http://www.4squareoffers.com Shan

    To do something innovative ,first they have to change their CEO!

  • http://www.davidturnbull.com David Turnbull

    I’m a fan of Apple and I expect there to be an iPad in the house within a couple of years (although it’ll be my mum who picks one up), but even so I’m leaning towards Chrome OS and netbooks in general.

    These days I really only use my laptop for web browsing and writing anyways, and a netbook can handle that perfectly well (especially one of the HP ones which have 92% keyboards and are dirt cheap on eBay). The rest of my media consumption (like podcasts) go straight to my iPhone.

    But still, I don’t exactly consider netbooks and the iPad to be on a collision course. My mum wants an iPad because it has a big screen and has intuitively limited functionality, and I want a netbook because I just need something that I can easily type on and customise the experience to what I want and need.

    Same position in the market (in between phones and regular computers) but not on the same paths in my opinion. :-)

  • Wait!

    Next thread on AppleCruch: “iPad: Buy it, because we’re telling”

  • http://www.4squareoffers.com Shan

    +2

  • http://Lenley.com Lenley

    Google has vapor …

    Meanwhile, Apple is busy working on iPad (hardware) iPhone v. 4

    When holiday season rolls around, Apple is likely to be on another burned-in version of iPad hardware…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Angus_Booker/717215119 Angus Booker

    The Use Cases of a netbook and a tablet are completely different. If typing is your thing, then a netbook will suit. If you want a device that is easy to use on PT, a cafe, at meeting, or collaborating then a tablet will prove to be more useful.

    Also take the fact the Apple controls the entire experience from silicon to UI will ultimately tighten the user experience to the point that people won’t see it like a computer, but rather a device (like a toaster) that is a no-brainer to use.

    I just hope the frenemies are still close enough so that Google Docs can be a worth while experience. Tablet + Google Docs to me would be a killer application.

  • Alberto Vildosola

    “wants everyone to move towards using iPhone OS-based apps.” or you could say they wanna bring people inside their tightly controlled ecosystem.

    I agree these two products are on a collision course, I’ve heard a lot of people lately trying to come up with ways they’d use the iPad, and one of them is using the iPad as a web-tablet that you can have around the house to quickly pickup and check email or google something. Sounds a lot like what Google said you’d use a Chrome OS netbook for.

    But you are missing one important factor that fueled netbooks popularity: price.

    The cheapest iPad is 499, but when you start adding accessories and 3G, that price climbs faster that you can say “apple tax”, you’re paying more for accessories that already come with netbooks (3g, usb, keyboard).

    So you could buy a 300 bucks netbook or a 700$ iPad and still have a better web experience on a netbook. I’m just not seeing people buying the iPad over a netbook, I want to, but I can’t.

    Then there’s the “familiarity” issue, 90% of people live in the Office/PC world, is going to be very hard to get people out of that world, however, is gonna be easier to get people to use the web version of Office on a Chrome OS netbook than to jump over to the Apple world.

    Plus, a Googler said last year that they’d bring gDocs up to par with Office this year, probably to coincide with the Chrome OS launch, if they can deliver on providing a similar experience to Office, is gonna be harder for Apple to convince people to use iWork on the iPad.

    That’s my two cents, I have little doubt these two products are on a collision course, but I’m putting my money on that cost of ownership will decide the winner.

    PS: Two more pieces of the puzzle.

    Eric Schmidt: ‘Tell Me The Difference Between A Large Phone And A Tablet’ – http://goo.gl/CHp6

    Google Building Touch into Chrome OS? – http://goo.gl/poWN

  • Desfolio

    I would say the iPad & the Android Tablet are on a collision course.

  • http://www.unanimocracy.com A.B. Dada

    Slashdot has an article on a new $100 Android “netbook” that looks pretty reasonable to me. The lack of proper background multitasking on the iPad is a killer for me, as is the lack of a built-in memory port of any kind. I’m ordering one ASAP just to play with it, but it’ll probably gather dust like my iPhone 3G and my iPod Touch that I bought to play with and gave up hope on.

  • Dev

    A tip for the editor…
    The Chromium OS team (the base of Chrome OS) is working on Tablets, Netbooks, Notebooks, and PC Desktops.
    That’s include… high resolutions desktops, multitouch support, accelerometer, and four (4) user interfaces for Chromium.

    Read the Open development page of Chromium OS for more info.

  • kiran

    Apple should have priced base iPad at 501

  • king kong

    netbooks are better than the ivagina

  • rick

    “With the iPad now clearly aimed at netbooks…”

    Sorry, the iPad isn’t competition for a netbook. The iPad isn’t a personal computer. It’s a web-browsing/book reading device, which is also a vehicle for AAPL’s content.

    No multitasking, no USB input (???), no card readers, no Flash, no camera to leverage AR (and guess why not??), no 3G without a pricey upgrade. In other words, not a computer and certainly no competition for netbooks.

  • don

    netbooks are better period ipad better soak it up!

  • Chieze Okoye

    Yes, vapor, like a demo and available open source operating system. -_-

  • Steve

    Agree with rick and turnbull — target markets are not the same, so no collision except for a small group of users sitting on the boundary fence. Soccer moms will love the iPad. Techies not so much.

  • http://www.faceyspacey.com James from FaceySpacey.com

    nice piece, MG.

  • Jen

    http://www.chromium.org

    It’s hardly vapour ;-)

  • martie

    the truth we are frustrated that the ipad doesnt have multitasking and flash, the truth is we like the ipad but we are also frustrated about it because apple didnt put any other decent full applications and want to cash on other versions on ipad; so now we are so frustrated that we look for other companies to satisfy our needs that apple didnt – we had high expectations on apple ipad-islate – some like we thought it would be not far away from avatars tablets – we want another product, and we are hoping for it, if not – we are hoping something or somebody will fix the apple ipad not so satisfaying options – and thats why Siegler you are writing all this articles – we are frustrated with the apple ipad. doesnt matter how much apple would want to see the ipad as a revolution, it didnt happen – we are still waiting for it

  • kurt

    apple is clearly smarter than google. android apps won’t run on chrome.

  • bob e

    Will there be any web development apps for the iPad? I can’t live without my Visual Studio and SQL Server.

  • P

    Sorry, don’t fully agree that the iPad is “superior to every netbook out there”.

  • mmm…

    Really, Mr. MG? You think iPhone OS based iWork apps beat Google’s cloud based competition? May be for minority, or for people who needs to maintain grocery lists. But not for majority of people.
    I didn’t even open iWork apps since I installed Snow Leopard few months ago. I either used (Open)Office suit of apps where serious work is needed, or used Google apps where cloud based access is needed. Simply iWork is either not powerful enough for serious work, or not economical enough for cloud based access.
    I might still buy an iPad, but not for the reasons you mentioned here.

  • pojo

    I think maybe windows does have it right. I bought a multi touch desktop. It’s kinda awesome. I use it. But where it would be better would be on a netbook.. and ditch the trackpad. Most people do need a keyboard. What i don’t want is is a third or forth device in the home… or a second or third to carry around. If you have a smartphone.. why this? If you have a netbook.. why this? If you have a net book with a touch screen.. especially why this?

    This A4 processor is reported to be so zippy… aren’t most that run one process at a time? Who does that? Completely shuts down and opens the next task? If someone wants to chat with me right now… I won’t close this browser and start chatting.

    However, certain apple people are just drooling. They are selling this without having touched it. I can’t take anything seriously about their comments. No more than I could believe Windows 8 will be totally awesome yet or Ubuntu 10.whatever or Firefox 4. I do think there will be fans who will be first in line and fainting on the first keystroke of the wonderfulness of each. I don’t care about them. So far I am not sold about this thing at all… or tablets. Having touch on this is a useful tool. Not a solution and for certain things would be a step backwards. And if you have an iphone/touch what makes this cool at all? Don’t you people need to type? Or ar we going going to have an ifest to roll out the ibag to haul around all your istuff? For me… idon’tthinkso.

  • Graeme

    Just so you know, “in between” isn’t accurate. Every instance in which you used it, you could have simply used “between.” Also, you called Chrome OS Google OS. Did you revise this post at all after your first draft?

  • pnin

    Lets face it, the ipad is a device without a clear target group. We don’t know yet who will buy the ipad, what its main use is going to be and whether it’s going to be successful (my guess – no). I’m tired of all these highly speculative pieces you read all over the place, typically written by people who for some reason have an incredible emotional attachment to one corporation or another (are you listening MG?).

  • JB

    At least with an iPad you get real customer service if you have trouble with your hardware…with Google you get a customer discussion forum!

  • Joe Tierney

    Great post!

    I agree these two platforms are going to fight for the same business. With the number of old PC’s still out there in most homes and businesses there is ample room for both to prosper.

    Google could also compete very well with a ChromeOS tablet or an Android tablet. There are several Android ‘tablets’ out there already although I’m not sure any are as large as the iPad.

    I would LOVE to see some more collaboration between Google and Apple in regards to communications, collaboration, and productivity apps like it looks like they are with Google Maps – iPad has a very compelling enterprise and SMB strategy right out of the box in the ability to leverage Google Apps (not to mention Salesforce.com, Workday, PracticeFusion, Zoho, Box.net, etc). I think the iWork Suite is really cool but I don’t think it will ever be a core competency of Apple.

    The tablet device has many advantages over a dedicated netbook. Ultimately it becomes the dominate form for the same reasons the laptop replaced the desktop. Right now it looks like Google and Apple will be two very significant players in this space. They’ll both win big as will consumers.

    Again, great post!

  • deleo

    Why Chrome and not Android?

  • Diabl0

    iPad is not a game-changer, although it might be a budding device made for a non-existential market again.

    Just think, what it could replace in the future? (Your Coby, PMP device, Your LCD in your Car, Those vtech for the kids, etc)

    I believe, this year won’t be an iPad year. But believe me, after 3 years.. I think we will look back and remember this day, why we disdain iPad so much, because it turns out on that day. iPad is a part of your home already.

    ….More details: http://bit.ly/apple-tablet-under-fire

  • PInky

    Maybe, like me, you’re probably trying to work out how the iPad fits into your life when the answer is that it probably doesn’t.

  • http://istldr.com/ R

    the iPad can’t possibly keep up with the iPhone app store review policy

    summary of iPad http://bit.ly/ds2UQM

  • jon

    Think about it from a developer’s standpoint. With Apple, you could develop something on the iPhone or iPad first, and then tweak it a little bit to work on the other device. You only have to think about a max of two platforms, both with a huge base of users who have demonstrated that they are will to pay good money for quality apps.

    Then look at Google. You could develop something for Android, and there’s no guarantee that it will even work on all android phones. Plus, they have not done a good job training their users to pay for apps, so you’ll hardly make any money even if it’s one of the best apps on the platform. And then you can’t leverage any of your android hard work on Chrome OS because the two have even less in common.

    If developers are the difference between success and failure (as a different TC post has said today) then Apple has already won. It’s the ecosystem.

  • http://roidatasource.com scott_ao

    Apple did a netbook. It was the Air. It was too expensive for what it offered and didn’t make many waves even among Apple fans because it wasn’t snappy enough given its price.

  • techmine

    and what makes you think that Microsoft is not working on a similar device right now. As a matter of fact, we have all seen Courier. If that is not real then something on the lines will come up. Surely that device will be more customizable. One thing is for sure, iPad is nowhere close to an iPhone and nor it is close to consumer laptops in terms of future sales.
    It will remain as a niche product like MacBook Pros.

  • Gerard

    Oh yeah, that’s why Apple has been able to provide a good fix for its busted 27″ iMacs, huh?

    Google on the other hand is alredy working on a fix for the Nexus One.

    The irony is that a lot of 27″ iMac owners are complaining in Apple support forums, and Apple’s “real customer service”, as you call it, is not even doing anything to give these people hope.

  • phebs

    +3 ..someone is trying desperately to convince us why we need to buy this device not matter if we wont do sh$$t with it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert_Hall/100000031125049 Robert Hall

    To Everyone that thinks the iPad is so much better than a netbook, and that there are no other multi touch devices. I tell you to look at the Asus T91MT.

    It has multi touch, it has 32gb SSD, SD slots, USB ports, audio ports, web cam, tablet mode, multi touch track pad, fast, 6 hours of battery life, and oh yeah it’s only $550.

    How can the iPad be considered better, what because it runs Windows 7? A normal PC OS? That is not a problem, as you can get tablet specific applications if you want, there just is no need for them.

    Just admit that the iPad is not innovative, and stop drinking the Apple koolaid.

  • Gerard

    Let’s remember that Microsoft is also said to release a tablet called the “Courier.” It looks way more promising than the iPad. If Microsoft releases that this year is sure to definitely kill the iPad, as it will offer much more functionalities thatn the iPieceofjunk.

    People who buy the iPad will be excited at first and will use it. As time goes by, they will just park it in some dirty corner and let it collect dust.

    If you have a HDTV at home, why would you want to watch tv on a 9.7″ inch screen. If you have a PC or iMac at home, you’re goint to prefer to multitask on your Flash-supporting computer than on the iPad. If you want to play games at home, you can use your PS3, Wii, or Xbox. How many are going to give up their video-game consoles? If you want to use outdoors, you’re going to have to get the 3G version with AT&T plans.

    There’s nothing appealing about this piece of junk. Even as an ebook reader, your eyes will hurt!

  • nick

    +4

  • http://tringuyen.com TriNguyen.com

    whichever platform or device that helps make developers money will win. My money is on apple. It’s really hard for developers to make money on Google platform and device because they just want everything to be free and slap some ads on there.

    When’s the last time you hear about any developer became a millionaire from an Android app or Chrome app?

  • Trebelous Foam

    This is why E. Schmidt left Apple. He was able to see what’ll happen

    C’mon. Be serious.

    I’m european.

  • http://www.docmurdock.com/time.htm Michael Murdock

    the thing about Chrome OS is…it’s not shipping. It’s still in testing stages, it’s still dependent on Google writing drivers to address the hardware in specific laptops and you may or may not want to use yet another laptop just because it’s a netbook.

    The thing that is funny to watch is when netbooks came out there was this perception that everyone was going to toss out their current laptop and instantly buy a netbook. When that did not happen, those who did toss out their laptop went “OH DANG!!! I miss my laptop” and then had a netbook which made it to craigslist and a laptop that they went back to because it never did enough for them.

    iPad does solve a problem. It provides a platform for those of us who use our iPhones or Touch’s to do certain things but wish that the screen was larger at points in time. It’s not a full laptop but it has a screen that puts ANY netbook to shame and speedwise was quite impressive.

    Sure ChromeOS when it comes out will be nice in some regards and fill some niche. However when your email goes out via GMAIL it is on the web and you cannot get to it. We’ve seen this with Gmail outages time and again. The iPad can either leave your email on the server of me.com or on your own hosted servers, or it can probably inhale it and then synch it back somewhere else later on.

    ChromeOS competes with WindowsXP, VISTA, 7. It does not stack up against OSX or the iPhone OS which is out there on millions of platforms (touchs, iphones, and soon iPads). It will be slow in getting out there, no matter how many people say differently as we’ve seen things take time to entrench before.

    iPad will sell. I am planning the things to add to mine already when it’s home with me in around 90 days.

    Love,

    Mike

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gary_Valan/668417153 Gary Valan

    Not sure if the iPAD and the GoogOS netbooks compete head on. There might be crossover apps but each will play to its strengths. Goog is going after Microsoft with their OS and online apps and iPAD could just be an entertainment/leisure apps consumer device.

  • mytechieid

    There is definitely an unexplored domain beyond the consumer market for apple. While this device is launched as a netbook competitor, it might well enter the business space especially health care.
    There is more to this than what meets the eye..take a look http://healthcaremanagementblog.com/how-apple-ipad-can-revolutionize-health-care/

  • http://www.davidturnbull.com David Turnbull

    …uh, you may not get software support directly from Google, but it’s not like they’re making the hardware; all of that will be handled by the manufactures (Acer etc).

  • http://www.ebizfair.com Rigved

    I am more excited abt chrome os notebooks.

  • http://www.davidturnbull.com David Turnbull

    …I’m not so sure about that (the money side of things). Watch this video from Dan Pink: http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_pink_on_motivation.html and you’ll see money is not a great motivator for creative work.

    Sure, plenty of people will continue to develop for the iPhone & iPad to support themselves, but you only have to look as far as Firefox or WordPress to see that tens of thousands of developers will gladly work for free.

  • http://techblog.qandil.ca BayanQ

    Wonderful piece. I completely agree. Read my thoughts on where I think Apple is really headed here:
    http://qandil.ca/techblog/2010/01/30/jobs-says-apple-is-a-mobile-company-i-say-media-distribution/

  • http://realsuccessdynamics.com Jason Barone

    Great point. There could be some great Android Tablets or Chrome netbooks coming out, but I’d still be reluctant to recommend any average user to use them because support is non-existent. I won’t even recommend Android phones to people yet.

  • Dan

    The iPhone OS is great for the iPhone but it is a HUGE step backwards for the iPad.

    Really Apple, how hard would it have been to have used a modified version of OS X with a multi touch display?

    Instead of modifying OS X to run on the iPad, Apple choose to modify the iPhone OS to run on the iPad. Bad choice!

  • http://www.king.net EM @ KING.NET

    I’m sure Microsoft is watching … I just can’t wait for them to bring something innovative in the near future.

  • http://blog.ziggytek.com/ applebook

    Nice article. I agree with you for the most part. Many people will buy the iPad –some because they are fanboys, others who want a powerful e-reader. The iPad is not as powerful or as versatile as many newer netbooks, but a decent percentage of consumers do not even need the extras included with netbooks. As always, Apple’s biggest selling points will be hardware design (multi-touch) and OS implementation. I suspect that most iPad buyers will not care about multitasking, although Flash is important to everyone; only Jobs can convince himself that Flash is irrelevant.

  • Christian L.

    Agree with @Jon. That the key reason for end user acceptance: Stable & charismatic apps.

    But: this iPad is still for your HOME and won’t be anywhere with you. My wife said: Too big for her handbag.

    Google should produce something smaller, 2/3 of that size.

    So what is the killer app on the sofa ? Rather not foursqaure, but we will find out soon.

    I believe, the iPad is so cheap, so Apple can release the next generation models without distracting the existing buyers. It wil be more expensive, faster, have a camera – same battery life.

    They need to, because it does not look like, it supports video or HD very well. At least, that would reduce battery life currently, so they design a faster and same efficiency processor.

    When it has a camera- and with 3GS there will be a well known KILLER app: Online video conferencing, but everywhere – while you are in the restaurant, hotel, office, everywhere, where you can take a bag and where you are with your friends.

    So agree with @diabl0: Its designed to be the window into another world

  • http://blog.ziggytek.com/ applebook

    Rick, plenty of folks who buy netbooks do not even need a real computer, and this is where the iPad will fill that niche. Obviously, for more power demanding users (multi-tasking, Flash, higher-res screen, more storage/RAM), the iPad isn’t going to lure them away from netbooks and cheaper laptops.

  • http://blog.ziggytek.com/ applebook

    One main reason why the iPad is using OS 3.2 instead of Snow Leopard is because the former already has 140,000 apps/games designed for multi-touch. Many of SL’s apps would have to be re-programmed, and pretty much all OS X games will not work properly.

    Using OS 3.2 is undesirable for geeks like myself, but it is the smarter business and design choice for the iPad.

  • Serg

    Disclosure! (Android dev)

    All that iPad is going to be is just another gaming console with cool accelerometer and proximity features :D thats it! I am buying one none the less!

  • Serg

    I wish i was stupid enough to prove you wrong, but I wont, money is goood hehe, no need for competition here.

  • http://www.definitivemind.com James Katt

    Dan: The iPad OS is OS X. The iPhone OS is also OS X. The Mac OS is OS X. Each has customization for each platform.

    —-

    Why use Chrome (a Linux variant) on a Netbook when Ubuntu is a BETTER Linux OS and is FREE?

    —-

    Apple’s IPad is going to be HUGELY successful. It provides answers to people’s needs. It makes life easier for the tasks it does well.

    The iPad makes reading eBooks legitimate, for example. This makes eTextbooks VIABLE for college and high school students.

    —-

    The iPad is SO LOW IN PRICE, it is a no brainer to purchase. $499 is lower than the original iPod. It is lower in price the the original iPhone. It is only $100 more than the highest end iPod Touch. It is perfectly priced to sell MILLIONS.

    —-

    The iPad’s price is so low it threatens competitors. It puts a ceiling on what Amazon and others can price a tablet computer. It puts a ceiling on what netbooks can charge. Worse, it is difficult to make a profit on tablets and netbooks which have more connectors such as USB connections, etc., which compete against the iPad.

    —-

    The iPad is so fantastic, I will be purchasing FOUR for my family when it is available.

  • http://www.violetpan.com All Recipes

    The Ipad is awesome, since I already have an Iphone and and Ipod touch I will be getting this one as well.

    Ev.

  • Hakushi

    You should put a huge banner on TechCrunch saying “we”re currently busy masturbating ourselves over the iPad”, so at least i know it’s not even worth scrolling through your homepage.

    Come one MG, you look ridiculous saying iPad is better than an netbooks, all you’ve achieved so far is getting your Apple fanboy tag even bigger. How could you call yourself a journalist, no objectivity whatsoever, totally blinded by Apple, absolutely no sense of reality, you should take a couple of weeks off in the Bahamas, far from the world, it would do you good, and us too…

  • http://www.sajit.com Sajit

    People dont want a product thats between laptop and mobile phone, they want a product that serves the purpose of both. Analogically, the Blackberry is not between mobile phone and PDA, its a mobile phone-cum-PDA..

  • jon

    Of course money is a great motivator – like I was saying, look at the number of “creative” apps on the App Store vs. Android Market. It can’t be the only motivation, but it helps a lot.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Angus_Booker/717215119 Angus Booker

    yep. wouldn’t have been that hard.. but would it then be $500 ? want a complete computer experience.. get a complete computer.

    want to surf the web and utilise a lot simple applications? that is where the iPad comes in.

  • http://www.committedexpertise.com/index.html Malick

    Apple’s tablet, now iPad, and Google’s chrome os are the two much expected things in 2010.
    One is out now. And almost ended up as nothing; old wi(pho)ne in new (touchy) bottle.
    Though Apple fans would like to take something out of it!
    Google chrome os – let us wait.

    /Malick
    committedexpertise.com

  • http://www.meie.tv Tõnis Hilep

    There is one interesting distinction between laptops and iPads.
    Laptops are working and social networking maschines.
    iPads , …books , Kindles are reading/watching/playing devices. It meat that supporters are and will different companies.
    iPad some important feature will be a document witch stay inside iPad and i think thad paper industry will hate that kind of accessories more than printers.

  • JW

    Thank you James …

    “one can’t help being struck by the volume and vehemence of apparently technologically sophisticated people inveighing against the iPad”.

    http://speirs.org/

  • http://mr.hokya.com hokya

    i still vote for Google Android :-D

  • cebwizz

    And you sure will need it, even if it’s just to change the battery, but as for software I’m not so sure they will give you support for all the 140000 apps that you will have to use because the ones Apple gives you are not so useful.

  • http://careerpakistan.blogspot.com Jobs in Pakistan

    I think netbook will win against ipad in the longer run.

  • Etrigan

    “Leaving Microsoft squeezed in the middle”?

    Then that must be a very big middle indeed. According to Gartner, Apple has a pitiful 8% of the US PC market (no reason to assume worldwide market share is any bigger).

    Google of course has 0%. And this is the Microsoft that just reported the highest revenues and profits in history, largely from Windows. Do you see a huge disconnect between TC’s analysis and reality?

    Truth is, Google’s idea of a cloud OS is truly visionary: it sees a future when we get all our apps off the web. But you can get your apps off the web with a Windows machine, so unless Chrome OS machines are signiicantly cheaper than Windows PCs, no-one will pay for a machine with no desktop apps at the same or higher price.

    And Apple will remain a niche provider under 10% of the market. The iPad doesn’t even compete with PCs because you can’t install desktop apps on it and of course, it doesn’t run Flash so its utility for web apps is severely limited.

    In conclusion, your vision of Microsoft being squeezed by these two half-assed platforms is ludicrous. It will be like an elephant being ‘squeezed’ by two midgets.

  • Andy

    ” superior to every netbook out there ”

    TC credibility -1.

  • http://ipadator.com Chris

    With the iPhone and the Mac Apple has a huge group of fans, and they don’t care what OS it’s running or if it’s not the best tablet. They just want it because it’s an iPad..

  • Dale, Atlanta

    The iPad only makes it more difficult to masturbate.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Raymond_Ade/508126338 Raymond Ade

    Every one is forgetting an important thing here, the iPad’s big interface makes it a good tool also for google online docs and most of the things promised by the google Chrom OS.
    I think at the end of the day, a google Chrome OS might even be harder to justify if everything is on the web and the iPad offers a superior web experience with its huge touch interface and solid web experience.
    I wonder if the iPad supported flash and camera and multitasking people will be satisfied and say they will buy one immediately its out? I doubt that, a device this fast at least as demonstrated makes app switching and closing to start a new one almost similar, if the apps save their states.Apps like IM and music players though needs to be able to run in the background but honestly, how many task do we give our attention to at once? For me, backgrounding will not be enough, a good notification system like that of the Android or the WebOS will make a much compelling solution.
    I am buying the iPad for sure, E-reader(all my pdf books!),great surfing(All blogs,google docs, calendars) during commutes is good enough for me and the fact that its light,no boot up,no clunky keyboard to open up in the metro.

  • Ben

    Better than most notebooks? Seriously? How can you quote that without explaining how ludicrous the claim is?

  • wtf

    Lay off the Apple coolaid.

  • Zeeshan Amjad

    yes its more an electronic newspaper than a computer. its icrap not an ipad.
    and over all its not ergonomically fit. none can use it for a long time. not multi tasking

  • Ben

    As long as the ipad doesn’t run emacs it’s just a toy

  • http://www.sugplopp.se Henrik

    Apple has got loads of competition on the hardware-side, but the only ones who’s got a clue software-wise is Google. Chrome and Android is closing in on macos / iPhone os.

    Who gives a f***k that asus has the hottest hardware? As long as you’re forced to use windows or linux on it, it stinks anyways.

  • Yakov

    Uhhmmm

    Why is MG Siegler the dumbest toolshed on this blog? I seriously wish there was an IGNORE for this idiot.

    Here is a tip for MG: Go to the internet, purchase a REAL netbook w/ an HDMI out port. W/ a REAL os (yes WINDOWS 7 can MULTITASK YOU ASSWAD) Then slash your wrists for being a trendy loser that knows nothing about TECH, but tries to look cool in skinny jeans and bragging about how much your music collection costs.

    Epiphany everyone here should reach: iPad does nothing even remotely BETTER*** than a regular netbook that sells for $399. If you think it does you do not own a netbook, you are just SPECULATING.

    MG speculates on EVERYTHING, but w/ a complete bias towards Apple. He only uses Apple products, so therefor cannot be taken seriously.

  • mx123

    I see this as a major distraction for Apple. (An many developers and writters). They are taking their eye off the real battle. The iphone-Android mobile phone market. Thats a market still in its infancy and still wide open for lots of innovative possibilities. With Android moving in on them so rapidly they should be alarmed a focus a bit better.

  • Mark A

    Care to explain exactly why Microsoft have a lack of vision?

    Because looking at the Xbox 360, Windows 7 and Office 2010 you appear to be flat out wrong.

    As for the clowns quacking about changing the CEO, did you look at last quarter’s results?

  • Mark A

    +99

  • albsure

    I love the analysis!
    Modern computing will be “application oriented” and not “ability oriented”. This means the consumer wants a device that they can write emails on, surf the web etc.. They don’t care about what “ability” the application may provide if they never user it. Would your average joe really use a camera on an ipad much? Not really.. so why bother putting it in?

    Google are on the same path.. In software design its called “refactoring”. Removing and refining features till you get down to the efficient essentials. When Steve Jobs said he doesnt know how to make a great laptop at $500 dollars he was right. No one can. They are always bad experiences compared to a real laptop because they have tons of crap in it they dont need. The benefits of Windows will always be its achilles heel in the new space where moores law is not working. Windows has 10+ yrs of code where 60% of it doesnt matter! By stripping away all the uneccessary crap in the iphone OS apple have been able to create a machine that can do what your average joe wants to do for cheap. I dont see how this is a fail.

    I guarantee that at any particular application where the ipad / google chrome or any netbook running windows 7, the ipad would blow it away in performance and style.

    The final plus for apple is that anything that resembled a macbook for 500 dollars would destroy apples bottom line. The cheapest apple notebook (the white macbook) is Apples biggest selling device yet its not the best. The biggest selling ipod is the nano, yet its not their best ipod.

    Cheap products dont innovate and actually rob the consumer of a better experience in the long run. I would bet that the ipad will probably become apples best selling computer. I’d put money on it to be honest.. (any one want a bet?)

  • sottil

    and on iengadget.com and igizmodo.com…
    these sites are already nothing more than unofficial ad-campaigns for iproducts

  • Arsal

    I believe part of by MG Siegler salary comes from Apple :)

  • http://magarshak.com Gregory Magarshak

    Come on people. It is no longer Google and Apple against Big Bad Microsoft. It’s Google, Apple and Microsoft.

    And while we’re at it, add to it:
    Yahoo
    Facebook
    Twitter, LinkedIn, Ning, SalesForce …

    and you’ve got the makings of an awesome dramatic industry.

    AND TECHCRUNCH WRITES ABOUT IT, YAY!

  • ´cintra

    I have the T91MT, but nice as it looks from the specs it (Windows 7 Touch) just doesn’t respond the way the iPad appears to. I wish it did, then I wouldn’t need to buy an Android Tablet when one appears on the scene sporting the full set of Google apps ;)

  • Tech Support

    Sounds like a Chrome SEO extension highlighting “nofollow” links. Try disabling it.

  • http://www.eduk8.com Nicholas

    Love the iPad. Love Android and the potential for tablets. But, it is Chrome and Android on the collision course. Hit frappe!

    Will we see an Android tablet? My bets are yes. Hell, Motorola expressed interest in them the other night. I would prefer to be generally agnostic, and to find the features of each platform that work. iTMS works fine for Apple, so a methodology around this has to be found as in the case of HULU.

    Looking forward to all of this regardless of who comes out on top.

  • http://livinginagoogleworld.blogspot.com Jonathan Frederickson

    Oh wow, I hadn’t seen that page. That tablet UI looks really nice.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kristjan_Vaga/502569645 Kristjan Vaga

    Next Apple show will be launch of PowerPad, a full-featured tablet running OSX.

    A interesting question is whether it is reasonable to have Android Tablet? Idea of snappy multitouch Chrome Tablets has more appeal given the trend of applications going to cloud…

  • MGTool

    you finally got something right. this is a little more interesting than foursquare

  • Dan

    I think the quality of applications for OS X far outweighs the quantity of applications for the iPhone OS.

    I mean really out of the 140,000 apps for the iPhone how many are really useful? Maybe 1%.

    Apple could have easily modified OS X to support a multi touch display and still maintained the $499 price point.

    If the iPad had a multi touch version of OS X and supported multi tasking, I would have easily paid $999 for the iPad.

  • Dan

    Not everyone is a rich snob like you!

  • DJ

    Hats off to you for trying to make this kind of prediction. I think it’s just too early to tell though.

    No one knows what key uses will emerge for iPad. After all, no one knew the iPhone OS would become a mobile gaming platform.

    The market will decide.

    Though, after watching the demo, I know how I would use it:

    • Replacement for my morning newspaper. (No more dead trees and ink stains.)

    • Web surfing while watching TV. (Who was that actor in again? Let me look it up on IMDB.)

    • Laptop replacement while on vacation. (Half the weight. Watching flicks on the plane.)

    I don’t see myself using this in lieu of laptop while out and about on a daily basis. The keyboard and dock accessory would be a pain to lug around and set up compared to a laptop. Not to mention, the iPad itself looks like an accident waiting to happen when set up in this configuration. Especially for a busy environment like a coffee shop. One bump to the vertical iPad and it looks like it would teeter over and come crashing down.

    So much for the preening coffee sipper wanting to show off their latest toy.

  • Dan

    Agreed.

    MG is in love with a device that he has had not spent much time with. MG has overdosed on the Apple cool aid….again!

    I use my MacBook Pro and iPhone daily. But don’t want to spend $500 on a glorified iPod touch!

    I think it is funny how many people are already lining up to spend $500 on a device they have not even tested or experienced.

    Sure, Apple will sell a bunch of iPads to people with more money than brains.

    Can’t wait to see the ridiculous videos of fan boys running out of the Apple store holding an iPad and jumping up and down screaming how they have the cool new Apple toy.

  • perk

    good to know, I have been able to really use the iPad for more than a few minutes, so I have to defer to your experience with it.

  • http://travellperkins.com Travell Perkins

    Any one of Google’s hardware partners can come out with an Android slate. With a real optical trackball so hover isn’t broken on a good chunk of AJAX enabled web sites. Best of luck to Apple. A Slate sized version on the HTC Bravo would do the trick for me. After that, it just comes down to apps. Java is a much more productive environment thant Objective C. Google will be the new Windows in the long run ;)

  • COP

    If Google Chrome OS == Chrome Browser

    Then I don’t see an argument here. What prevents running “Cloud Apps” on Safari? both based on Webkit

  • http://www.tonangi.com Vinod Tonangi

    Don’t hold your breath.

    They’re not going to make hardware. They are going to just update the UI on the Touch version of Windows 7, which will suck.

  • politicalslug

    Nonsense. If you believe that you’re a fool. Everyone and their mother has been trying to replicate the Office experience, and none have succeeded. Google Docs are okay, but they utterly pale in comparison to MS Office. Word Perfect, Lotus Smartsuite, etc. They all died off because of Office. While Google can bleed money on their “office killer” they know full well that they can’t compete in the corporate world with Office. One year my ass.

  • http://www.tonangi.com Vinod Tonangi

    You are right on XBOX 360 – but wrong on everything else?

    Windows 7? C’mon that was just an expensive service pack to Vista. Where is the innovation in that?

    Office 2010? Ribbon? Really? It’s so hard to use that Microsoft had to make a “game” so people could figure out how to use its features.

    Last year’s annual results for Microsoft resulted in an 8 billion loss in revenue. Apple’s $3.38B profit margin is now greater then Microsoft’s $3.05B. Apple innovates. Granted, right now the iPad is missing features that we all expected, but to say the iPad lacks innovation because a few features are missing is ludicrous.

  • http://blog.offbeatmammal.com Offbeatmammal

    I played with a ChromeOS configured netbook the other day (a friend had gone through the process)

    the nicest thing about it was the almost instant startup.

    the worst thing… well, pretty much everything. The browser as OS metaphor really starts to fall down when you are forced back to a Single Document Interface model.

    just try it. Put your messenger into one tab, your email into another tab, your documents into another and then tab between them to try and do things. No overlaid or even multiple windows. kludgy

    Add to the that total reliance on the network. just like the old Sun “the network is the computer” initiative this thing falls to pieces when you’re not online. I guess that’ll improve with HTMl5 local storage / gears integration but right now it’s just not there.

    I’m not saying Google won’t execute but Apple and Microsoft have a lot of experience in developing an OS that most users are happy with … Google are back where System9 / Win95 were and there’s a lot of catch-up before a full screen browser model will catch up

  • Michel Müller

    Could you tell me one feature about OpenOffice that you need, that’s better implemented than in iWork (or even doesn’t exist there)? I used the OOffice Writer quite a lot 2-3 years ago, Impress just a bit until I got VERY annoyed by it and Calc just for basic stuff. I also know MS Office quite well and for a real power user, that’s the one. However, since iwork 09 is out, I use it alot and by now I prefer it in every way. It actually has every feature I really need and those that I need are by FAR better implemented than in OOffice and most of the times even better than MS Office in terms of simplicity. There are some crucial benefits like the positioning rulers that pop up, or the alt-arrow-key combination for inserting rows/cols that make often used actions so much simpler, you ask yourself how you could have lived without it. Even numbers has become great, if you don’t need pivot-tables it’s probably all you need, again, and there it’s much simpler. Also, MS Office import / export is SO much better than in OOffice. Give it a try!

  • http://www.whytwitter.co.uk whytwitter

    Are you serious…?

    No Multitasking…

    Who thought this was a good idea? How can the iPad even compete with netbooks if you can’t multitask? This means that if you’re writing a document you can’t listen to music, you can’t have TweetDeck open if you want to check your email, you can only do one thing at a time, which has always been a complaint with the iPhone.

    Same Touch Keyboard

    The iPad needed to re-revolutionize the keypad for touchscreen devices, make it easier to use. So what did we get… just a larger version of what we already had. It’ll be incredibly hard to type on, unless you’re lying flat with your knees holding the device up, or you buy the iPad Case (essentially a book cover).

    BONUS: No Flash

    Most of us are probably accustomed to Apple devices not being Flash compatible, but if Apple is truly wanting to compete with other Netbooks they need to remedy this. With a larger screen comes more responsibilities, i.e. you can’t just leave gigantic holes in the middle of webpages if you claim it to be “the best web experience you’ve ever had“.

    The iPad is still in its infancy, so we’re sure that it’ll get better with time. Only time will tell if Apple’s iPad will be a success or an iFlop.

    BBC’s ‘clicks’ made a good comment, too. It’s the netbook, the smartbook, people don’t want to buy a keyboard as an accessory. Can you see any student reading a book without listening to music? So we are back to Chromes OS, the fast emerging market of the netbook and the software which makes best use of it. Like Netbook Pack, a Chrome OS version ready for your Netbook today.

    I rest my case.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gaetano_Marano/649964030 Gaetano Marano

    “The iPad And Chrome OS Netbooks Are On A Collision Course”

    no, because Apple will sell ONE million iPad per year, while, the ChromePad (produced by dozens PC companies) will be sold in one-two HUNDREDS million units per year, so, there is no battle…

    however, from the early results of my poll [ http://alt-pad.blogspot.com/ ] the preferred OS for the TabletPCs are Windows 7 and Linux

    .

  • atanu

    probably the most insightful comment of all. thanks.
    The only time i can see a use for the ipad is the time i go to bed, and browse before falling asleep. but i got the iphone for that, or my wife’s netbook. which runs office. and SPSS.
    the ones badmouthing microsoft here, do you guys ever actually use a machine for work?

  • Aidan

    Yet he also loved the Nexus One…curious.

  • jamie

    linux rules!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kyle_Grousis-Henderson/1354776467 Kyle Grousis-Henderson

    eventually we will have a netbook with a touchscreen that folds 360 degrees and becomes a tablet, so one device can be used 2 different ways, depending on what tasks you want to do. call me when it comes out

  • SBUK

    Why bother coming to read a website that you claim is Apple biased (it’s not, you are just Microsoft fanboys)? Don’t like the iPad? Stop reading about it then, you dumb fucks! It’s not rockets science. Don’t buy one!

  • SBUK

    Who the hell do you know?! Are you an ‘ergonomics’ expert? No, you are not. You are another fanboy commentard. Sssssshhhhhh.

  • joeYYY

    But, they already have this in iWork:
    http://www.apple.com/iwork/iwork-dot-com/?cid=APP-NAUS-IWORK-090702-00003&cp=APP-IWORK-00003&sr=IWORK.COM

    All they need to port this to web service the iPad. Who know, they may already be working on this.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ignacio_Sagone/619916674 Ignacio Sagone

    Apple have just created a new necessity. It’s enough with a laptop or a smartphone. But people want it. Let’s see what Google and Microsoft come with in the coming months!

  • http://headerfooter.com/ Evan Sharp

    Android and the Chrome OS are different, but that isn’t necessarily a bad thing. I write about it here, if you’re curious:

    http://bit.ly/cujghl

    The Chrome OS should have file-management, and thus its netbooks should be actual computers, not just “mobile devices”.

  • http://www.mylocaltown.ie/ ron

    I prefer the ipad musch more easier to use and most of all portable . . .

  • Hamranhansenhansen

    The iPad has a Unix core and HTML5 browser that runs all the Web apps that Chrome OS will run. So iPhone OS apps are extra. There’s no bet by Apple against Web apps. They have done as much or more as Google to promote HTML5.

  • Suresh

    Oh Great…now could you explain what’s the innovation in iPad?

  • http://www.crunchbase.com/person/mg-siegler MG Siegler

    -6 +2 x3 /17

  • http://www.crunchbase.com/person/mg-siegler MG Siegler

    well isn’t the defining characteristic of a netbook its price, even more than its size?

  • http://www.crunchbase.com/person/mg-siegler MG Siegler

    we had that banner up but took it down because it was offending som people.

  • http://www.crunchbase.com/person/mg-siegler MG Siegler

    good insight.

  • http://www.crunchbase.com/person/mg-siegler MG Siegler

    FOR REAL

  • http://www.crunchbase.com/person/mg-siegler MG Siegler

    by way of boat.

  • http://www.crunchbase.com/person/mg-siegler MG Siegler

    how so?

  • http://www.crunchbase.com/person/mg-siegler MG Siegler

    one hundred to two hundred million units per year? wow, that’s quite the prediction.

  • http://www.crunchbase.com/person/mg-siegler MG Siegler

    if it means no crashing, i do consider no flash to be a bonus.

  • http://www.tropicalgringo.com/english Tropical Gringo

    I don’t see this as a battle with Android at all. In my view, the key difference is that Apple’s offering is iPad/iBook,iTunes,apps and not just a device strategy. It’s facinating is how Jobs and Apple are building a media channel (iBook, iTunes, Apps) that provides more negotiation leverage with the big media companies. With every passing day it’s going to be tougher and tougher for media companies who haven’t struck a deal with Apple to explain why they aren’t hopping on board and, if not, then what their digital strategy really is. http://tropicalgringo.com/Jipn

  • http://hughisaacs2.googlepages.com Hugh Isaacs II

    Ummmm….. Chrome OS and Android run on top of the Linux kernel.

    I know they’re realistically not Linux, but I think the fact that these other OSes rely on Linux says enough.

  • http://www.articleplayground.com ArticlePlayground.com

    Chrome browser is crashing. The Shockwave flash plug in is NOT working.

  • Christian L.

    iPad hyped vs. illusion
    netbook vs. touchpad
    typing vs. padding

    Come guys, if this discussion ist really helpful for anything, then Web2.0 must be over.

    The discussion seems to take place on top of a bubble. this is the end.

    We are discussing hardware features !!! , but we have no clue, what they could be good for. We just don’t want to be wrong in mising the future. There is no equivalent & supporting software innovation ! Any killer app seen ??? Steve must have bored the whole audience, sitting on a couch, touching a screen. The iPad is nice- yes – but it doesn’t have to be it !

    I like the iPad, will probably buy the 3GS version, just because Apple did not enter a Vodafone contract in Germany and so the iPhone is not and will never be an option for me an all other Vodafone customers in Germany. (Noone will spend 700 EUR for a phone, missing the chance to get subventions and 400 EUR is still a lot)

    I might as well decide for Nexus One, if it is stable – but stable means: no virus, no admin, no installations, a restart not more often than once a week.

    If that is the case, then MG is right – the two systems are on collision course, but not because of the iPad. Not until it is clear, what the iPad or a google enhanced netbook / netscreen is available.

    iPhone & Nexus are still on collision – that is nothing new.

    There wont be two app systems, as there are no two video standards, and not two Microsofts.

    Apple is better positioned than google, created a nice device & an open app platform, but has bound itself to network carrier as AT&T and T-Mobile. That is the only reason, why they will not surely win the war, although they have won all the battles ! Because one third to two thirds of the market / users per each country HAVE TO move to a competitor. If google sneaks in here with Nexus One etc., they will get a huge testing community for a possibly worse device – that will slowly become better – just as windows did n the 90s ….

  • http://www.TekxY.org TekxY

    IMHO, I don’t believe the iPad and Chrome OS are on a collision course, i mean at least for this iPad version, because even when the netbooks are made just to surf, you end up using it to trying a lot of stuff and so, because it has all the PC functionality in small, and maybe with less hardware power, but you got my point.

    This iPad version on the other hand, has a lack of features that netbooks have, and are really useful, I don’t really know, in which thing the iPad will become really good, because as a reader I think the Kindle is just a lot better.

  • Oren S

    They say prophesy is given to the fools, so I’d play the fool and predict: Apple’s closed garden approach will eventualy FAIL.
    The colision course, as I see it, is not between form factors (there are pros and cons to each) but between Apple’s closed up, control freaked business model and Google’s more open one. And I think google’s the smarter one.
    Within a couple of years you’ll have a whole bunch of devices, in different sizes and form factors, running Chrome OS, Android, Windows or Linux (BTW Google will make money either way cuz their profits depend on Internet usage, not hardware sales)
    Now look, I’m a UI designer, what can I use on the iPad to do my work? Currently nothing. I used to rely on Windows based software like Axure and Visio for it, but now I can do most of it using Mockingbird, iPlotz and a bunch of other web services.
    I’m also a project manager. What can I use on the iPad? Zilch. On the web? Basecamp, Beehive…
    Let’s say you need some light image processing, where do you go?
    See my point yet? When you close off your environment like Apple does, your never gonna catch up to the inovation possible with milions of developers working on the web.
    Apple may be ahead with user experience (which I adore) but they’re still playing catch up with real applications (iWork? Seriously?) sooner or later, the market will wake up and realize it, and iPads will be left for grandmothers to show pictures of their grandchildren in.
    PS, this was writen from my iPod touch, in the bathroom (Ha! In your face, Steve!)

  • shiva

    i have a t91mt. i am loving it. in fact i am on my couch and responding to this post.

    i had a srluggish system as well untill i upgraded to 2 gb RAM. the processor is definitely slow but that is something i knew when i bought it.

    battery life is excellent and though it may not be as slick as the ipad, it is more functional. i carry it arround and read pdfs and ebooks on it without issue.

  • Peter Judd

    Get some context on the iPad and capture the real picture with this collaborative SWOT. Just add you bits. http://bit.ly/awfnNS

  • Yasir

    This ipad bash by tech world is not new, don’t forget the history:

    1. terminal based interface Vs GUI (Geeks always liked typing and working with CLI, they still do, but world moves on to GUI)
    2. Desktop Vs Laptop (People could not type on laptop fast enough, not meant to replace desktop, but eventually did… Most of the people still use Docking station at work or home office, laptop is used for light weight activity or in emergency)
    3. WII Vs PS3 (WII designed for non-gamers where as PS3 for hard core gamers…. WII now changed the industry to their path)
    4. Blackberry Vs iphone ( claims no physical keyboard doom to fail…. Most of the BB user did not converted initially… but world move on to iphone any way)
    5. Desktop OS Vs Iphone OS: The desktop OS – Windows/OSX has a legacy baggage that is limiting it’s reach…. iphone OS hides the computer from the users, in geeks mind that is limiting them, but in reality that is a killer innovation… I see that is the direction for the future, get used to it… This is the same old argument all over again, and you know who wins… simplicity is the key

  • Oren S.

    iPhone/iPad apps won’t run on Mac’s either.

    If you own an Android phone and want a tablet, you can always get an Android one, there are sevsral already in the market (and growing steadily).

    Apple will always SEEM smarter cuz they’re so control-y about their products so when they show them off they always “wow” you with how they thaought everything out (well, except for copy/paste and a bunch of other “minorities”…)
    Google doesn’t try to control everything. they make the software and let a whole bunch of companies build the hardware (and even fool around with the software, which Microsoft never would have let them). So they may not seem as ingenious as Apple but i think that in the long run their model will win.

  • James Jak

    The only coincidence I see in both Ipad and chormeOS is that both are useless, and slowly will fade away…

  • Morten

    Microsoft had a net income of around 14.5 billion USD in 2009, not 3.05 billion USD.

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  • Bror Jonsson

    So you re saying that iPad, a product that won’t be for sale for a another two months, don’t have a software catalogue available today ? Wow, that’s surprising!

    The future looks different though. Omni just announced that they will port five products to the iPad, at least two of which that might do the trick for what you want to do. I would be very surprised if Acorn or some other imaging processing app isn’t ported within 6 months. Also, half of the tools you mentioned are web apps, why wouldn’t they work on the iPad?

    Finally, what’s wrong with iWork? I use Keynote and Pages extensively since they fit my needs way better than Office.

  • huxley

    Omnigraffle is coming to the iPad which is a pretty decent competitor to Visio. Mockingbird is Javascript so it runs fine on something like the iPad. Basecamp works fine on the iPad.

    There are thousands of developers dying to release apps for the iPad and if you compare what’s available for Chrome OS to the iPhone App Store, you’ll find 2 or 3 categories where Chrome OS has better, superior apps (due to Apple’s hamfisted restrictions), but Chrome OS lags everywhere else. Not least in the number of developers.

  • http://zigmar.livejournal.com/ Zigmar

    Sure MS Office monster has a superior functionality, but majority of private users and many of businesses does not even need 90% of its power. Thats why many of us (including small businesses which are faster to adapt) have completely switched to google docs/google apps. That have anything that we need in daily work and way more powerful and convenient and mobility and team work.

  • Pat

    The problem with the netbook is there is no defining characteristic other then cost. There is no innovation in user interface and the netbook as a shrunk laptop makes many compromises to reach the low price point. The IPADs price is in the range of netbooks and it has better battery life and probably a better user experience for the kinds of tasks people use netbooks for so it will definitely compete with this class of device.

  • Damonic

    The truth is that I am frustrated at your lack of punctuation.

  • http://europapictures.com David Dennis

    The main innovation in iPad is that they very carefully tailored the user interface for the new screen size/setup.

    The Netbook user interface is essentially identical to a PC, no matter what size of screen is used. No effort is put into trying to make the interface work better with the smaller screen.

    For example, if I pull up a new word processing window on a netbook, it inhabits a portion of the screen, just as it would on a computer with a huge screen. It seems more logical to me for it to take up the whole screen with a smaller size, but nobody thought of that; they just did things the way they have always been done.

    On the iPad, all applications fill up the whole screen, just as they should to take advantage of the full resolution/size. And applications will be designed to configure themselves differently whether on an iPhone or an iPad. Intelligent.

    Now, that’s a slightly silly example, obviously. I can fix the problem on the netbook by hitting the Maximize button and then the application will fill the screen.

    At the same time, it shows a genuine difference in design philosophy.

    The way I look at it, Apple makes designer computers. They are meant to look great and conform nicely to how you want to use them. That was how I thought of Apple before the iPhone, but the iPhone and iPad have carried this to the next level. You can buy a designer computer, or a Wal*Mart computer. The former has been carefully crafted to fit, the latter is just thrown out on the shelves.

    I would call that real innovation, and I’m sure that when I get my hands on an iPad, I will notice a lot more built into the product.

    D

  • Jeff

    Actually, he was comparing profit… See how he said “profit” not net income. They’re two different things. ECON 101!

  • http://www.greymarch.com Greymarch

    Chrome OS and iPad on a collision course? No duh. I will take Chrome OS to win this battle.

    Both companies have wisely targeted the market in-between laptops and smartphones. Someday, someone is going to create a program or device that sits perfectly between those two worlds and thus eliminates smartphones and laptops!

    - Greymarch
    I write about technology at my website:
    http://www.greymarch.com

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paramendra_Kumar_Bhagat/621599484 Paramendra Kumar Bhagat

    I am for the cloud, and the web and the Chrome OS.

  • http://digiphile.wordpress.com Alexander Howard

    Good post, sir.

    I’d like to see where we are in January 2011: a smorgasbord of netbooks running a Google OS that start up in 7 seconds vs iPad 2.0, with tweaks, faster connectivity and whatever other inevitable improvements come along.

    The iPad seems custom tailored for browsing content, as opposed to a generative device. No webcam or rga and drop mixing with an updated iMovie, and a serious lack of ports. Consumers may love it.

    Big business – those enterprises that represent a huge block of spending – may be a tougher sell. Executives may well buy iPads for commutes, although the Skiff and Que will compete there, as will the install base of Kindles. For line workers, light, portable, tough netbooks that interface with Google Apps strike me as a surer bet.

    But as with all such guesses, we’ll have to wait see how our predictive validity bears out.

    With respect to your analysis, the places that Apple and Google compete are clear enough. I suspect we’ll see a new crop of Web apps that use HTML5 customized for this screen, as Google Voice now is for the iPhone. In the meantime, Apple’s content partnerships for distribution could pose the same disruptive challenge to publishing as iTunes did for music.

  • http://www.m65jacket.com m65

    bye bye kindle. hello ipad

  • Chris

    Microsoft net income for FY09 14,569,000
    Apple net income for FY09 8,235,000

  • boden

    HELLOOOOO hellooo hello…..

    yep this is still an echo chamber.

    I don’t see them on a collision course, I want both. Chrome OS for my PC laptop and iPad for lounging.

    toys, gotta love em…

  • http://www.causecast.org/ Ryan Scott

    apple and google are both popular with consumers, yes. But lets be honest here, google is several orders of magnitude more ‘popular’.

    and continue to build machines that are closed off to even the basic standards and they’ll be popular if they are awesome in their own right, but only when compared to microsoft. Droid is so much better than an iPhone and there’s no way you can tell me developers like the open android system LESS than working on apple’s platform.

  • Quigley

    And less memory. And no expansion ports. And no option to run an IM app in the background while you are creating a document.

    So, no….it is far from a netbook equivalent.

  • http://jaimegago.com Jaime Gago

    Na JoeYYY, I wish iWork.com was as good at online collaboration as Google Apps but it’s just not…With iWork.com (still beta after a couple years) you have to download the document to make changes, very very very different from the real time collaborative editing of Google Apps…

  • http://jaimegago.com Jaime Gago

    Yup quite a few machines actually and they are all Microsoft free ;-).

  • Oren S.

    Both of you got me wrong (hexley and Bror), which might mean i explained wrong, or you’re too eager to defend the iPad.
    The examples i gave are just current ones. Solve them and you’ll have new ones.
    Yes, there would be some good applications for the iPad for a lot of things, but they’ll always be behind what’s out there, both in quantity AND quality because there’s simply a limit to what a limited number of developers can do, and there’s a limit to how many applications you can cram in one store, and there’s a limit to how many apps the Apple approval staff (or bots or whatever they are) can review…
    Those limits are inherited in a system that is, well, limiting.
    The same, perhaps even more importantly, goes for the form factor. The iPad has some good things going for it, industrial-design wise (like weight, speed, battery life) but also some serious drawbacks (i personally believe that the virtual keyboard, with the way it is implemented in this specific machine, will fail as a serious input device).

    By giving the operating system (two of them, in fact) out to manufacturers, Google is creating a prosperity in form factors and encourages the creativity of those manufacturers to develop better solutions both technologically and ergonomically.

    And let’s not forget that there are other contenders as well. Microsoft had not said their last word in the mobile space. Nokia has been in the MID business for a while now and they’re not giving up easily…

    So, what I’m saying is not that the iPad would necessarily fail, but that the Apple approach of centralized, totalitarian-like control over every aspect of a product would eventually fail.
    In the short term they look smarter cuz they make wonderfully crafted devices. In the long term they loose because people are different, and they have different needs, and they need diversity.
    Either Aple opens up their approach or they start loosing what they so painfuly just recently gained.

  • Sam

    Why is it that everything must be a battle from the vantage point of the consumer? iPad and netbooks running Google Chrome OS are two very different things.

  • Anton

    You know Linux is the kernel, the stuff around that is GNU, and on top of that is Gnome, KDE, or Android and ChromeOS.

  • http://www.iyogi.net Daina Thomas

    hope so that they really brings a revolutionary change .. hmm like an operating system … without anu bugs and viruses … but I seriously hope that they really launch a good product in the market ..

    Best,
    Daina

  • Anton

    Obviously David Dennis hasn’t actually used any tailor made netbook software.

    http://www.ubuntuproductivity.com/journal/productivity/08/2008/focused-workflow-with-netbook-remix/

    http://geeksmack.net/hardware/100-intel-and-lg-form-alliance-for-the-better.html

    Both of these run applications full-screen natively, not specific netbook applications, due to the flexibility of Gnome, it’s actually quite trivial to tell something to run fullscreen.

    Applications are already configured to rearrange themselves depending on the resolution they have to run at.

    It even conforms to how I want to use it, should I want to switch back to windowed operation like a standard desktop, my applications will behave there as well.

    Even Google understands that netbooks should run applications in fullscreen – ever booted ChromeOS? It’s just a full-screen version of Chrome with a clock.

    That’s just a few of the Netbook optimized options out there. The difference in design philosophy is certainly there, the UI’s in Linux were designed with this sort of requirement in mind from day 1, there is no upscaling required for legacy applications.

  • LH

    Actually, netbooks offer ALL the functionality that I’m looking for in a spare device. I would really like it to be in a tablet format, but till they arrive from vendors other than Apple I’m going with a netbook. I just want something light to take to coffee houses, or use at home, when I do not need the full laptop. For now, that’s a netbook.

  • Reagy

    I own an iPhone 3GS, have a Toshiba laptop and am completely in awe of the possibilties that the iPad presents. Sure it’s not a notebook, but then again it was never supposed to be. A notebook runs a lot of the same applications that you have on a laptop, except a lot slower. In a sense, it’s a poor man’s laptop.
    The iPad is designed to bridge the gap between the smartphone and the laptop, not act as a stopgap that a notebook serves. I agree with many posts here have disparaged the lack of productive applications, or have completely dismissed iWork, but have any of you actually used it yet? Does your job really demand that you have access to windows applications at all times? I wouldn’t mind multitasking but this is a device that was built to only do one thing extremely well at a time, and not like a netbook that does that one thing twice as slow.

  • duke O'Connor

    Apparently the days when the comments on TC were more insightful than the articles are over, even though the quality of the articles remains the same.

  • Christian

    I’m not into Apple or Google (although I use search engine, of course), but I think it would be quite interesting to watch rivalry on some serious level between those two, it’d be quite entertaining, lol.

  • gumby

    Are you?

  • Steve

    Poking at a laptop screen would be a less comfortable angle than poking on a screen you’re holding in your hand. I tested that with my laptop (and got fingerprints all over the screen).

    Don’t forget that OS X already has multitouch support – the glass trackpad on their laptops are multitouch and they have a multitouch mouse available, too. Just not desktop/laptop screens… yet.

  • Steve

    Heh… the Castle of Flash is crumbling as we speak, for better or worse.

    Jobs had been driving the steamroller to squash Flash for three years now and the iPad has brought that into sharp focus. In response to so many iPhone users, all the content sites have enabled (or are about to enable) Flash-less versions of their sites.

    Even Hulu is on the road to doing that. They’re a content provider, not a “Flash Site”. They’re going to do what’s good for Hulu, not Flash.

    Game over.

  • Steve

    You’ve hit the nail on the head, Dr. Katt. Your detractors don’t have to be happy about it (and clearly aren’t) but what you’ve condensed in this brilliant post will be everyone’s only available reality.

    Your post is too long for a brass placard, so I’ll just save it as a text file.

  • Steve

    And yet, D. Hakushi, you’re throwing rocks at your inevitable overlord. The Netbook has its place, so does a junkyard class 17″ Windows 7 laptop, so does the iPad. I’ll probably have all of them for one reason or another.

    Fortunately, it’s not 1983 where “one size fits all”. It’s not strictly “off the rack” anymore – it’s all custom fit, task specific hardware that fits the exact niche we’re all looking to fill.

    I wouldn’t want to manage my servers through an iPad, so I’ll use my Netbook. However, I wouldn’t read a book or want to surf the news on my Netbook, so I’ll use my iPad. I’m not doing anything with my Windows machine anymore because I’ve got a MacBook Pro now. That came from the iPhone where I deduced “if this is what Apple does with a Phone/PDA, I wonder what their laptops are like?”

    Sold. No Kool-Aid, no reality distortion field, no death grip on my ego-driven lust for obsolete skills, no pronouncements of what the “real world” was in the past, no myopic “I don’t want anything to change”, no elements of what you’ve spouted – just plain works.

  • Steve

    Yes they do. I know lots of people who don’t want either a laptop or a mobile phone. But this… this is different. I know LOTs of people who are going to buy this. Some are old people who can’t comprehend a computer. Perfect. Others are parents who don’t want their kids screwing with their laptops. Perfect. The rest of us already have iPhone/Blackberry and laptops out the wazoo and may not need this – but I’ll get one when Version 2 comes out.

  • Infernoz

    Apple, for grossly overpriced and under specified tat e.g. my i7 box is a much higher spec, cheaper and better looking than Apples version.

    i, for incontinence, when Apple wet themselves, when they see the competition, and their pathetic market share.

    Pad, for Tampon like limited and brief usefulness, then flushed away by better tablets.

  • Caswan

    I really don’t understand the comparison with the Ipad and chrome netbooks yeah they are positioned in the same target market but UI are so different that it would appeal to different segments within that market. As a lover of gadgets I actually see how a person can possibly own both a tablet and a netbook; in my mind it’s really how the smart phone, with all its connectivity, still doesn’t replace a netbook or a computer.

    I actually see the tablet being a greater competitor to the smartphone that to netbooks. I would much rather surf the web on a tablet when on the train, and I would expect watching video from youtube, hulu to be a better experience than on a phone. Looking at pictures and editing them would be a lot better on a tablet than on a phone because of higher resolution.

    Netbook I would use as a laptop replacement. If I need to do office work etc, I have a keyboard to do that with, I can also multitask smoothy with multiple windows (depending on how fast the processor is) etc….

    Now if I had both a tablet and a netbook with chrome os, ideally, I can start a project in the cloud with my netbook but when it’s time for me to run out the door I can grab my tablet and finish it on it. I can start watching a movie on netflix with my netbook and finish it on my tablet (that is if google creates a way for both devices to be n’sync at all times). Even though android and chrome are diffrent OS’s google would create a way for android to run within Chrome so that I can run my apps on my tablet and even my netbook. I basically foresee a connectivity with all your screens (phones, tvs, netbooks, tablets) so that I can consume my media/files on any device through the cloud.

    I understand the need for a tablet and a need for a netbook. Google is working on making both on the same OS so I plan on waiting till they fully unveil their plans because going by Google’s history, whatever they unveil would be worth the wait.

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    hi…..
    i have been using microsoft windows all my life. The ipad looks very cool and im thinking of getting it. I never used an Apple before.The question is
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    2) I make alot of international calls. so can it support skype, msn and yahoo messengers?
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    Thank You

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