The Google Phone May Be Data Only, VoIP Driven Device
Michael Arrington
Nov 18, 2009

Yesterday we wrote about the soon to launch Google Phone, a Google branded Android phone that we believe will hit the market in early 2010.

Lots of people are saying there’s no way Google will enter the phone market directly and compete with all these handset manufacturers who have bet on Android. Daring Fireball, PC World and IntoMobile are among the doubters. And a lot of people are pointing to a Tom Krazit/CNET article last month that quoted Google’s Andy Rubin: “We’re not making hardware…We’re enabling other people to build hardware,” and “Rubin, vice president of engineering for Android at Google, scoffed at the notion that the company would “compete with its customers” by releasing its own phone.”

Normally I’d just point to the fact that many companies deny the existence of products until the day they announce them. Apple scoffed at the notion that they’d ever build a phone until they announced the iPhone, for example. The last thing Google wants is a lot of confusion among handset manufacturers just when those manufacturers are putting the finishing touches on their own Android phones.

But there may be another way Google will argue that they aren’t “competing with customers” by launching their own device – technically, it may not be a phone.

The Google Phone may be a data only, VoIP driven device. And Google may be lining up at least AT&T to provide those data services for the Google Phone, says one person we spoke with today.

Users could still make calls just like a normal phone, of course. The calls would just be over the data service instead. In fact, this is the exact vision Google proposed back in 2007 when they were bidding on the FCC auctions for the 700MHz spectrum.

Google can even issue phone numbers to users via Google Voice. In fact, I’ve already ported my mobile number to Google Voice, and Google has plans to roll out that feature more broadly. Google Voice can also handle the VoIP function for the phone.

Are AT&T and the other carriers interested? Our source says AT&T is already bidding for the business, and may be willing to sell data to Google, with certain conditions, for $20/month. The carriers won’t love this, at all. But they’d be dumb to let their competitors take the business instead. Our guess is at least the U.S. GSM carriers, TMobile and AT&T, would support the phone.

Our sources at AT&T have confirmed that they’ll sell data-only plans to customers who bring in BlackBerry and Windows devices, and strip out the voice plan. They won’t do this with all devices – you can’t get a data only plan on the iPhone, for example. But AT&T is open to data-only customer relationships.

Will the Google Phone be data/VoIP only? Right now we only have one thin source for this. But we’re continuing to dig.

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  • Mike

    Who will control ‘net neutrality’ here.

  • http://holako.ca Sam Holako

    This would be uber cool. Like the Skype phone (http://www.skype.com/intl/en/allfeatures/3skypephone/) but more functionality.

  • NotJoe

    And why would at&t let high end devices with super low ARPU ($20??) onto their network if they do the same or more than their $119+ plans (unlimited calling and SMS)?
    Makes no sense whatsoever, especially considering how their data network already can’t handle their high ARPU customers.

  • http://intomobile.com Stefan Constantinescu

    Quick correction Mike: It’s IntoMobile, not InfoMobile :-)

  • Stephen Lowe

    I’m all for a phone like this from Google as long as it’s NOT on AT&T’s data network. AT&T can’t keep up with the current data demands of their existing customers. I can’t imagine adding more, data intense devices to an already overloaded system.

  • http://www.cloudmanic.com Spicer Matthews

    Wow that would be the coolest things ever. I am a strong believer that cell phones are not for talking anymore. :)

  • http://benwerd.com/ Ben Werdmuller

    Wow. The bottleneck in smartphones and mobile Internet at the moment does seem to be the carriers – this would be a very bold move, and sends a “we don’t need you” message to the phone companies. There’s also a very compelling customer argument in there: would Google-to-Google VOIP calls be free?

    But at the same time, I’m getting more and more worried about Google owning the ranch. The Internet needs to be free and open; I would be much more comfortable with some kind of open, decentralised VOIP network that any handset manufacturer / software vendor / network could join into. That would certainly be the best thing for the Internet and for consumers in the long run; of course, it might not be for Google’s shareholders.

  • http://www.crunchbase.com/person/michael-arrington Michael Arrington

    apologies. fixed.

  • http://www.cloudmanic.com Spicer Matthews

    Mike,

    Any idea when google is going to let people other than cool bloggers port their number? I am really exited about the idea of porting my number.

    Thanks.

  • http://www.mikehill33.com Mikehill33

    This is an absolute DEFINITE.

    Google sees the market share that Apple has (and is in the process of squandering), and can clearly do better.

    Google Voice shows functionality and the demand for it is there.

    Android shows that a mobile OS can be legit.

    Why not get into the hardware sector, combine every component above, and run the table?

    Google mobile device, pulling from the cloud, using white space bandwidth for data, or if possible, WiFi to do true VOIP over Google Voice.

    All the pieces are there, just a matter of when.

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  • http://benwerd.com/ Ben Werdmuller

    Google. They’re getting very close to the point where, in terms of strategy if not hard cash, they’ve beaten Microsoft. I’ve spoken to MS insiders who are deeply worried about it – and the rest of us should have a think about it too, for the reason you highlighted. Google are about to be in a position where they control a vast tract of Internet infrastructure at the point of access. Search, advertising, analytics, mobile web: all theirs.

    Of course, this is because they’ve produced some of the best apps and infrastructure out there. Companies like Microsoft were asleep at the wheel. But it remains to be seen how their strategy transpires; will the consumer be better off once this all plays out, or will we be left with another uber-corporation dictating our computing experience?

  • passerby

    This is odd considering spotty AT&T 3G coverage. I VOIP over 2G is not really practical.

  • Howard

    I hope they do not tie this to AT&T. That is the primary reason I did not get an iPhone. I wish these companies would stop being small minded about trying to force the new economy into the old fixtures. Just sell the phone and let me decide who I want to use as a provider.

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  • http://www.cjmillisock.com CJ Millisock

    I, for one, welcome our new Google overlords.

  • anontc

    if they released a data only device (text/web/mail), i’d just drop my phone account in a minute and install skype on it.

    half of my monthly iphone cost is for the lowest available minute plan for 450 minutes. on average per month i use 30-45. no thank you att.

  • Krishna

    Arrington,

    Will the Google phone also use some sort of Mesh networking?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Antoine_Grillon/1039714893 Antoine Grillon

    That’s quite a logical move from Google.

    However, if you look at the bigger picture, you will realize that it has been expected for a while, from Skype getting freedom in order to gain competitiveness against Skype, Free getting into the 3G market in France, and so on and so on…
    I wrote a piece about it a few weeks ago, do you agree with it? http://bit.ly/orqZG

  • fireashes

    I have Google voice. It is free to call any us phone number (calling minutes is used). Even calling Canada is free (uses minutes). Calling international is charged but a whole cheaper than standard.
    But the product described here is completely diff. It uses only data.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Simon_Sage/90403827 Simon Sage

    +1

  • killerbunny

    squish, crunch, splat

  • Kevin

    Yeah, but is this going to suffer from the limited service area problem? I don’t believe VOIP can work effectively over EDGE, as such, if they go with ATT you had better not travel out of dense urban areas very often.

    I would be excited if this was with Verizon. Even if it isn’t, I might be persuaded to do this if it is really only $20 a month. For that amount I could get a backup pay as you go phone and forward my google voice calls to it when I travel to see my parents in rural Tucson.

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  • ArtInvent

    This sounds like EXACTLY what I’ve been wanting. I want to lose my home phone and port my number to Google Voice. Then I want to carry around one single smart phone, preferably Android. I have super lousy cell phone reception at my home on all carriers, and I have no desire to reward them for that with a nice fat $100 a month contract. I would be interested in a hotspot@home wifi/femtocell thing like T-Mobile offers – but none of their good phones works with it! So get one pure data smartphone that works over WiFi or a cell data connection. Now that would actually be a fair transaction for $30 a month.

    Look, cell phone service is great and all that, but way overpriced, and the contracts are byzantine and onerous and very much anti-consumer. Google is probably the only force with enough heft to bring about a more equitable and reasonable mobile phone/data marketplace.

  • http://ecgridos.com Alan Wilensky

    In 2007, February, two skinny guys from Google appeared in the France Telecom R&D lab in South San Francisco, with a phone mock-up.

    I was not in the meeting. Nothing happened. they must have found out the SSFO FT Lab is for software and enterprise R&D (and nothingware, one level below vaporware, and follow-ware, where the labs engineers work on things that are already well underway in other, faster, smarter companies) and the FT Boston, Lyon and New York labs are where Telecom hardware business is conducted.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people//1090560006 fb1090560006

    I knew signing away for the 2 year contract to get the DROID was a bad idea.

  • http://crowdedroad.com/ifax Adam

    Now that I read about it seems kinda obvious, huh?

    It’s just a matter of time until all players ditch voice calls so who better to lead the pack than Google?

  • http://www.saurabhsahni.com Saurabh Sahni

    Probably because of Gphone, Google is participating in 3g spectrum bid in india: http://www.pluggd.in/google-to-participate-in-india-wimax-3g-auction-297/

  • Lou

    The ball is in their court. Now who will come first, consumers or shareholders???

  • DT

    This is what I want but I DO NOT see it happening soon, especially with AT&T. Wasn’t it a month or two ago their public squabble with Google to the FCC over Google Voice?
    The revolution I was hoping for 2 years ago with Apple didn’t happen, releasing hardware sim free and downward pressure on smartphone prices (without contract). And I will gladly switch to Android if they pull that off on data only prices (<$30/month).

  • Waveism

    A communication device with Google Voice and Google Wave built in would be more futuristic than thou.

    I’m testing Google Wave now, and although it is buggy, but the potential is enormous. With Google Wave’s real-time typing and video chat, the mythical Google Phone is Hollywood sci-fi coming true.

  • My Locator ®

    the mobile web in everybodies pocket combined with location based technology cell phones are “locator devices” more than anything else.

    technically i consider a mobile device with voip connectivity a phone.

  • http://www.gizmotastic.com Jeff Manes

    I agree. A direct competitor to Skype would the smart way to go. Google Voice hasn’t reached its full potential, being able to place calls out from within the service on wireless (WiFi, Bluetooth & etc.) phone would be more attractive to more customers.

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  • Alberto Vildosola

    Sign me in, I would buy it in a second.

    Why don’t they take it a step farther and get into the ISP business, can you imagine 8mb/sec free ad-based internet? That would shake the whole industry to its foundation.

  • Pookiebadmuffin

    …and yet they make, what, 97% of their revenue from ads? How in the world has somebody not gone after this achilles heel yet?

    It’s amusing to see competitors get distracted and try to match Google app-for-app and service-for-service.

    Follow the money. Slice that fat bastard up.

  • Gianluca greco

    This is great news. As an iPhone user I cannot wait to shed the shackes that bind me to that device. The iphone is beautiful for sure and I love it because it is the best device out there right now. But I find the walled garden that Steve Jobs wants me to live in a bit confining.

    I use Fring in conjunction with Gizmo5 and Google Voice. I have removed the Sim card from the iPhone and have cancelled my AT&T cellular account. I use a Mi-Fi from Verizon to give me wi-fi access where ever I am. I have constructed a truly world phone.

    The only problem is that Apple decreed that the iPhone OS will not allow multitasking. Apparently someone at Apple decided that we little simpletons cannot be entrusted with the awesome responsibility of determining for ourselves when we have too many apps open, thus depleting the phone battery faster.

    What an arrogant attitude from Apple. If they would allow multitasking I could keep Fring open all the time and this would allow me to have the perfect phone. Right now, I keep Fring open most of the time in order to receive and make calls and must relinquish phone functionality if I want to do any other tasks.

    This is why the future belongs to Android. Multitasking is a must. I am so looking forward to the Google phone, it’s embarassing. In my opinion there is not a shred of doubt that there will be a Google phone and it will be data only. This is why Google bought Gizmo5 the other day. The pieces of the puzzle are coming together nicely.

  • Olternaut

    I can tell y’all right now that sight unseen…..S O L D ! !

  • _uxp

    I’m not a cool blogger and I’ve ported my number. It asked me if I wanted to when I signed up a couple months ago.

  • _uxp

    That would be absolutely awesome if the devices could mesh in a way to only use multiple wifi spots. Unfortunately, I can see a lot of people not wanting to share “My Internet” with “That guy”, who wants to make a call.

  • Sam

    Really?! AT&T… REALLY?!
    That’s as far as i got in the article….makes a ton of sense, lets build a data only device and put it on a crippled network only to have massive consumer backlash. My iPhone is now a doorstop (seriously) and haven’t looked back since picking up an Android phone and switching networks. If they’re seriously considering a DATA based phone on AT&T its going to be massive fail right out of the gate.

  • IBEddieV

    Thank you. I think this was the obvious question. You think that Google would have learned from Apple and considered a stronger network. I thought Google and Verizon were working closely?

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  • Jeff

    I was wondering if this could be the direction of the Google Phone. However, I am very skeptical that they will get any of the cellular providers to allow a data only plan for the Google Phone to utilize. This seems like a great idea once Google gets WiFi everywhere, but that certainly won’t be happening by early next year.

  • Sean

    This would be super awesome but I don’t see any of the US carriers jumping on board. The voice plan is more than 50% of their revenue – why would they let you use a phone on their network that had VoIP and lose such a big chunk of money? I just don’ see it happening. If there’s one constant in life, it’s that telco companies are greedy mother fuckers.

  • http://www.seoprojects.org Webmaster

    This actually makes more sense and would be less likely to upset their competitors and would dramtically increase the possible market for Google Voice.

    But are people still willing to give up so much for a data only limited device and it won’t likely be allowed by the FTC as it can’t make emergency calls on the more reliable voice networks when required.

    AT&T want more data, they can’t even cope with what they have atm with iPhone but they want it all, this one seems doomed to fail!

  • CAVEperson

    That was $20/mo to Google, not to the end user. Figure on something more like the $60/mo that’s currently standard for 5GB data-only plans, perhaps a bit less if Google wants to play shark.

  • Loic

    I would be interested to know how such VoIP plan would work abroad (roaming). Usually, roaming voice is cheaper than roaming data…
    I want a VoIP mobile, but I still want a “decent” roaming plan. I known there no such thing as decent roaming plan, it looks more like plain robbery, but at least I don’t want it to be worst than what it is already!

    One of my biggest interrogation would be about sound quality. I know that you can have an amazing voice quality over IP (e.g. Skype). But on a spotty IP network (3G) like AT&T, how is it going to translate ? I hope it will improve compare to the current quality we have for voice on AT&T network. It is amazing how we got tolerant to bad sound quality with mobile phone. Can’t wait to see the quality of sound being used by marketing. It is 21st century, and quality is worst than our old land lines.

    Also, hopefully, the emergency numbers (e.g. 911) wont be a brake to the deployment of such VoIP solution.

  • Alex

    It’s just about time.

  • Nikolaj Nyholm

    Doing voice over a wireless packet-switched network is not efficient, even for modern well-built-out 3G networks like those of the operator ’3′ in Europe.

    Case-in-point, the Skypephone uses circuit-switching (ie. a regular phone call) to handle the ‘last mile’ from a Skype-enabled server to the phone.

    Mike, you’re usually right but I think this one is off.

  • JP Kab

    I think one of the keys to Google’s success is that they’ve chosen to compete with Microsoft in an area where MS has had a long standing monopoly. Google has used their web apps and developer community to attack MS on two fronts:
    MS’s non standardization of Internet Explorer, and the Office Suite

    MS isn’t even close to hurting Google’s own monopoly cash cow. The think about Google’s “monopoly” though, is that although search has extremely high barriers of entry, customers can easily switch from one product to the next. MS has always depended on vendor lock-in to maintain their customers, whether the company realized it or not.

    I think Google’s strategy with their own web apps is that customers with the ability to quickly abandon your product will give you the most accurate feedback about your product’s capabilities and its weak points.

    Now they are going to have a whole other class of devices to act as platforms for web apps. Because they make the best web apps, they will benefit.

  • killerbunny

    Agree, one link in the chain is to reduce the cost of getting internet service itself. Telecommunications companies and other IT companies are dinosaurs waiting to die off. Crunch, squish, splat.

  • Wali

    until it can fry my egg sunny-side down, i’m not sold

  • http://www.alenjazsolutions.com Sardar Mohkim Khan

    And then there will be issues too with that. I mean why wont Google build a device of its? I sort of agree with Arrington, they are just laying around with that and the device will actually be coming out next year..

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  • HereAndNow

    I’m still a bit skeptical. Data-only devices are also likely to step on someone’s toes, since Android is showing up virtually everywhere (tablets, MIDS, eReaders, …).

    If Google is building anything, perhaps they are concept devices. These would certainly be useful to test future software designs (GUI, applications, etc.) that are not be supported by the current generation of devices.

  • LH

    I wonder how long it will take Google to actually grasp the concept of customer service if they release their own hardware. They have yet to do so with any of their web products.

  • K

    I would take it up as soon as my current cell phone contract with at&t ends.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people//11704105 fb11704105

    It sounds good in theory, but like other commenters have pointed out, the networks are not good enough for a type of device like this. If you think people complain about the iPhone’s service, imagine the dropped/missed calls you’ll get relying on AT&T’s data-only network. I also haven’t seen anyone doing VoIP over EDGE effectively. Those guys are ZERO Mobile were promising nationwide VoIP over EDGE/3G and they’re vaporware at best, and scamsters at worst.

    Still, I’ve learned it’s tough to bet against a super smart, super rich company when they have their mind on something. Either way, cannot wait to see how this plays out.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Arlo_Gilbert/592879622 Arlo Gilbert

    Between AT&T and Google going at each other over the FCC issues and Google entering into agreements with device manufacturers it would seem to be biting the hand that feeds if they really went into competition with the carriers.

    An Edge network could handle VoIP traffic fine as long as they switched to a lower quality and more highly compressed codec though. Modern 8khz codecs can transmit at 32kbps… two ways for audio and that only requires 64kbps plus a little overhead for signaling traffic.

    We’ve tested iCall on AT&T’s edge network and it still sounded better than a regular cell phone.

    So they definitely technically are capable of doing it but wouldn’t this be a bit of biting the hand that feeds? Even if they bought the data from the carriers, are verizon and at&t going to be willing to sell these devices? If not… who will distribute it?

    I think this would very likely be more of a partnership with one of the telcos and a variety of hardware manufacturers, think of the Android platform as being their open version and this Google phone as being a closed ecosystem where they can control quality more like the iPhone.

    Regardless of how they do it, who they do it with, or if it’s even real… would it actually save the consumer any real money?

    My 2 cents.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris_Beauchamp/1108080088 Chris Beauchamp

    It’s definitely an interesting concept – but do you think that Google is doing it for market share / profit? It seems to me that they would do this not to make money and/or take away from their current Android suppliers, but rather to shift the market in a new direction. By supplying the public with a device like this they may be trying to spark a paradigm shift in the phone industry…

    I’m certainly interested to see how this plays out. I really can’t imagine AT&T or anyone else providing cheap data plans to the masses without phone service though.

  • UncleMatt

    OK everyone, let’s just slow down…

    I have a Google Voice number, Gizmo5, Android and iPhone. I routinely make VoIP calls from home over a FIOS connection and it’s fantastic. Using either phone or my laptop(s).

    But…

    I also have tried making calls while on the road using a MiFi from Verizon, and… well… it just plain sucks. Absolutely abysmal. Even in and around Washington DC where the connection is (theoretically) as good as it gets.

    Don’t assume your wishful thinking is reality (yet). We’ve got a long way to go before the VoIP via 3G/EVDO is viable. I desperately want it… but it’s just not there yet.

    Take it from someone who’s been there tried that. It’s a great way to piss off someone on the other end of the call.

  • narmar

    Can you imagine the international roaming charges? *shudders*

    Seriously though, I’m not sure I’m that excited about the phone per se, but it would be a game changer.

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  • ProfessionalGun

    4 Words: Thirty day trial period!

  • http://www.zenfar.com Zenfar

    And then the move over to Clearwire after the build out?

  • prmd142

    A VOIP phone suits Google’s model the best. Data only services are the future of mobile networks. If Google leaves the adoption of such phones to the mercy of phone manufacturers or network operators, that day may never come. Networks refuse to become just dumbpipes for data. Google is not entering hardware business nor are they competing with phone manufactuters. As Rubin said they are just enabling them to make hardware – in this case a VOIP only phone. Just as they worked closely (& secretly) with HTC & Motorola now they are working with someother partner for this device.

  • K

    Would make sense since google purchased gizmo5 a sip based voip service

  • http://www.troypeterson.com Troy Peterson

    I’m suprised nobody has made a Mac Tablet association to the “Data only” statements from AT&T and other carriers.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Josh_Hyde/6844351 Josh Hyde

    White space! Just what I was thinking.

  • matzahboy

    Um… and how to you go after their ad business?

  • matzahboy

    Knowing Google, I doubt that they’ll tie it to any particular carrier. They’ll probably allow many carriers to serve the phone.

  • http://www.toddtownsend.com Todd Townsend

    If Google is as smart as we know they are, they will use something like Qualcomm’s new dual carrier HSPA+/LTE combo chipsets and let it data roam from VZW-ATT/Tmobile. THAT would be killer!

  • Jeff

    Nah, I think that as great as Google’s products are, they are always in a “perpetual beta” status. And for something as important as phone service, it’s better some other tech geek is the guinea pig to sort out the details.

    It’s like comparing Android 1.0 to Android 2.0. A year makes a HUGE difference. You couldn’t even conceive of a phone like the Droid last year.

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  • http://www.phoenixtrap.com/ Mark Gardner

    Google Voice isn’t the VoIP play here, it’s the recently-acquired Gizmo5. GV has always relied on an outside network for calls in and out — landline, cellular, or SIP (through Gizmo5). Now that Gizmo5 is under the Google umbrella, we can start talking about Google completely bypassing carriers’ voice networks.

  • http://www.crunchbase.com/person/michael-arrington Michael Arrington

    gizmo5 was bought for the client. the voip stuff at GV is solid.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Barry_Barnes/1078161371 Barry Barnes

    I’m just wondering when will the “Google sucks” type of posts come. Seems that whatever Apple does, there’s complaints on TechMunch. Unless it’s due to competitive reasons: “iPad” vs. CrunchPad (currently vaporware).

    I feel like Stewie Griffin. “Where’s that, umm, Crunchpad you were talkin’ about? The tablet you were workin’ on? Was supposed to come out this past summer? You know, the $200 tablet that only works on the web? That no one out side of bloggers even know about? Hmmm, that’s pretty much already DOA?”

    lol sorry, still have that episode of Family Guy in my head.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Faisal_Saud/501120118 Faisal Saud

    Google denying it does not mean they are not doing it..

    On Google browser rumors back in 2006 , Eric Schmid said :

    Asked if Google would consider developing its own browser, as has been speculated for some time, Chief Executive Eric Schmidt said, “We would only do so…if we thought there was a real user benefit.”
    Google makes decisions on what products to develop based on what users want and not on what rival companies are doing, he said. “The industry is obsessed with this browser question. And our observation is you have a number of good browsers now,” including Firefox and Apple Computer’s Safari.”

    http://news.cnet.com/Google-No-Web-browser-plans/2100-1032_3-6078643.html

    Also :

    “we would not build a browser for the fun of building a browser and creating another choice…We would only do something along the lines you’re describing if there was a real end-user benefit. So far, we’ve seen the end-user benefit has been to augment or expand both AJAX and JavaScript, which is available on all the browsers. We’re working closely with Firefox, we have a good partnership with Safari and with Opera and a couple of others as well. That seems like a good answer for us right now, strategically.”

    http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-features/26734-google-crushes-browser-building-rumors-highlights-dell-partnership

  • http://www.sidecutreports.com Paul Kapustka

    Any info whether or not it might have a WiMAX chip in it? Seems to reason that Google might want to allow such a device to make use of its investment in Clearwire…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Corey_Recvlohe/1119305714 Corey Recvlohe

    Personally I’ve been waiting for this type of service for more than a few years. It is high time that Data be the strict mode of communication, and people in the market place have a choice as to how they want to transmit their voice data using VoIP technology.

    Clearly it would be a huge play for Google to go for the jugular and start this monumental shift. I support them. I believe that the Net Neutrality has a lot to do with this, since a lot of people in the United States (at least) only have 1 choice as their carrier, it would make sense for the major telecoms to preempt any sort of move into their Voice products by attempting to hold those people ransom if services like Data-only-with-VoIP-integration would kill parts of their revenue.

    Also Michael, can you add edit support to the comment system? You’re one of the only major sites I comment on that do not offer editable commenting. Sometimes we make spelling/grammar mistakes.

  • http://www.sparwasserhq.org/the-google-phone-may-be-data-only-voip-driven-device/2009/11/18/ Gadget Talks » Blog Archive » The Google Phone May Be Data Only, VoIP Driven Device

    [...] First shore by Michael Arrington [...]

  • Henchan

    VOIP over Wimax would solve the last mile problem?
    Wimax-enabled cities such as Tokyo might be target markets.

  • Toffer Peak
  • Toffer Peak

    “Our SOURCES at AT&T have confirmed that they’ll sell data-only plans to customers who bring in BlackBerry and Windows devices, and strip out the voice plan. They won’t do this with all devices – you can’t get a data only plan on the iPhone, for example. But AT&T is open to data-only customer relationships.”

    Umm, is your secret source AT&T’s website? ;)

    http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-plans/data-cell-phone-plans.jsp

  • ProfessionalGun

    That’s a great point, Jeff. I do love my Droid. I don’t love being locked into a contract. Something’s gotta give, eventually! When it does – I want to be on board to support the movement.

  • Chad

    You can use Backgrounder to keep Fring open all the time…

  • Chad

    Google should just install country-wide wifi and bypass the carriers completely.

  • http://patrickmylund.com/blog/guess-what-google-is-making-a-phone-now/ Guess What: Google Is Making a Phone Now

    [...] operating system, Android, but the Google phone — their take on the iPhone. Michael Arrington thinks the phone won’t be a traditional cellphone, but rather rely on data connections/VoIP, via [...]

  • James

    I have discovered a marvelous proof of how to destroy Google’s ad business, but unfortunately this comment is too small to contain it.

  • James

    Not sure why VOIP couldn’t work well over EDGE. When some friends were living in Palau for a year, I would regularly have audio Skype chats with them, and they were on a dial-up connection. It worked fine.

  • Niz

    Try Rebtel, it is an awesome VOIP service provider. Calling between 52 countries are free. I love it. I call Pakistan, Europe and Chine for free unlimited from USA and the sound quality is awesome. It is called Smart call and I do not pay anything.

  • http://techvideoblog.com Charbax

    I’m using the 249-dollar Archos 5 Internet Tablet, no contracts whatsoever. I use an old 50-dollar Nokia phone for whole-day Bluetooth tethering. Installed Fring/SIP on my Archos Android Tablet, I now have UNLIMITED VOIP for just 20€ per month Pre-Paid data-only SIM card use, NO contracts.

    This is what Google is going to introduce and promote more broadly. Android phones shall cost 100 dollars WITHOUT any contracts whatsoever, especially not with any voice/sms contracts.

  • andy

    $20/mo is not feasible unless google is subsidizing the cost with ad reveneus. 3g/EVDO for laptops, data only plans are all in the $35/45 dollar range. Frankly, all we’re talking about here is an iPod touch with a voip / wifi application. I”v often wondered why Apple didn’t persue this strategy as an alternative. I’m sure they’ve got, or are working on this product and could launch it quickly if needed.

  • http://hauntingthunder.demon.co.uk Maurice

    Mike if it acts like a phone it is a phone and I can see govenments will want to it to be regulated like a phone – and ime sure ATT, BT and DBP etal will want Google to share the USP burden.

  • Nick

    Try Rebtel, an awesome VOIP. Calling to 52 countries free. No charges. I call Europe and Asia for free through their Smart Call option.

  • http://techvideoblog.com Charbax

    How much does VOIP take in bandwidth usage? Perhaps as little as 20kbit/s. So for 1GB of data per month, you could have 111 hours of VOIP conversations on Google Voice. People don’t talk that much on the phone, so Google could most definitely provide up to something like 50 hours of free Google Voice usage with a 100-dollar basic Android phone, and no contracts needed.

    For data for web browsing, for the apps, Google could provide data-usage payments. People wouldn’t even have to pay 20 dollars per month for data! people would just buy a few GB at a certain rate per GB, and people could use it however fast or slowly they want. While of course WiFi data usage would be free.

    I think 1-dollar per GB would be a fair data pricing. Though, if ATT/Tmobile are expensive in their pricing, the price per GB may be as much as 10 dollars. Yet, Google could provide ways to add additionnal bandwidth to users based on how much monetizable activity the users do. So for example, for using web contents which Google can advertise, the price per GB could be cheaper or free, while if you are using the bandwidth for leeching videos or audio that is not monetized directly, then the price per GB would be full. Thus you wouldn’t want to download divx movies or bittorrents over the 3G data networks, but checking your gmail, google searches, google maps, and using not too bandwidth intensive apps monetized by admobs, those could be free.

    Thus, pay 100 dollars the the Google Phone, put 20 dollars on your prepaid data account. Then you’ve got 2GB bandwidth that you could use for “other” web things. While 20-50 hours of VOIP on Google Voice would be included for free per month, no payments needed whatsoever, Gtalk, Gmail, Gmaps, Gsearch, all those would be unlimited and free as well. Unless you download attachments, do some video conferencing on Gtalk, and all other non-optimized web browsing would just simply take from your prepaid data.

  • http://techvideoblog.com Charbax

    In Europe, we have plenty of 10€ or 20€ 3G data plans. They work fine and have 10GB or 20GB monthly bandwidth limits.

  • http://pinguinsmoveis.com/diario-dos-androides-edicao-a-volta-do-rumor-que-nao-morre/ Pinguins Móveis » Blog Archive » Diário dos andróides, edição a volta do rumor que não morre

    [...] morre é o de sempre: o Google Phone ‘puro-sangue’. Rumor turbinado com a fofoca de que o Google Phone ‘puro-sangue’ é um dispositivo VoIP, sem suporte a voz. Se for isso… maneira cara de vender Google Voice + Gizmo5, [...]

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Melvin_M_Tercan/1079422871 Melvin M. Tercan

    Skype was for sale, I’m wondering why Google didn’t bought it.

  • http://www.billshrink.com/blog/google-phone-confirmed-vs-iphone-droid/ What would it take for a Google Phone to beat out the iPhone?

    [...] will compete directly with their customers (such as the recently released Motorola Droid), an updated post from TechCrunch speculates that Google’s upcoming phone will be data or VoIP-only. Regardless [...]

  • http://techvideoblog.com Charbax

    Here’s my speculation: Google will provide data for Android soon that let users pay per GB and not per GB/month. So for example 1GB may cost between 1 to 10 dollars depending on the bulk pricing that Google can buy from the existing 3G carriers, and there would be no time limits to use the bandwidth, there will be a counter at the top of the Android task bar interface.

    For 1GB you can talk for over 100 hours on Google Voice. So if that 1GB costs less than 10 dollars, there you’ve got basically unlimited free mobile VOIP telephony.

  • http://www.cellularmania.net/2009/11/19/il-google-phone-arrivera-anche-presto/ Google Phone? Dovrebbe arrivare, anche presto | Cellularmania.net di Antonio Monaco

    [...] visione” di come un cellulare dovrebbe essere per Google. Ed in effetti, questo cellulare, secondo quanto aggiunto da Arrington, non dovrebbe essere dotato di una vera e propria sezione telefonica ma dovrebbe funzionare [...]

  • arjun

    I think it is pretty widespread. Then again, I had GrandCentral for a while before Google Voice.

  • Allen

    I think you’re all over reacting. I’m trying to remember which Android phone Google did not allow to use the Google brand because it didnt have the features Google wanted associated with their name.

    Google are already lending (licensing?) their brand to manufacturers this will just be more of the same. Possibly now with Google Voice or some such on the list of qualifying features, but still more of the same approach they have been using in marketing Android handsets.

  • arjun

    Only for a little while

  • arjun

    Wait what? Who said you can do VoIP using GV? Unless I missed some other update, what MGS said still stands.

    http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/10/06/att-greenlights-voip-for-the-iphone-too-bad-google-voice-isnt-voip/

  • blah blah

    heh +1

  • http://www.gizmosforgeeks.com/2009/11/18/there-may-be-a-google-data-only-phone-in-early-2010/5631 There may be a Google data-only phone in early 2010 [Gizmos for Geeks]

    [...] Arrington of TechCrunch is reporting that a Google Phone is imminent, possibly in early 2010. However, it may be a data-only VoIP [...]

  • Y314K

    Really hope Google doesn’t turn this lemons into crap… I was nodding my head and smiling by reading both of the rumors on here…

    Till I got to the part about ATT possibly being the main data provider… Are you freaking kidding me… Why don’t u make the phone WiFi only… Or you might just make it Edge since that is what ATT is proud off via their Verizon smackdown…

    ATT can’t handle the dopey Iphone users downloading their 15th fart app… Just imagine once Android users get on this thing… It will boil their network to the ground… I hope Google doesn’t cripple their 3G VoIP Device with rolling 3G blackout’s…

  • http://www.startuptrak.com/2009/11/18/after-cloud-it-is-phone-service-for-google/ After Cloud it is Phone Service for Google ?? « Startups, Entrepreneurs and Cleantech

    [...] it is Phone Service for Google ?? Is Google also entering into the Phone Service ? Here is an interesting article about it. Or may be this could open up a possibility of Voice and Data by two plans by two separate [...]

  • http://jkontherun.com/2009/11/18/the-party-line-phone-buzz-of-the-day-35/ The Party Line — Phone Buzz of the Day

    [...] real phone is yet to come? (TechCrunch) — That’s the alleged inside scoop from yesterday, although today the rumor was [...]

  • http://www.cellphonenews2.com/stories/577917/The_Google_Phone_May_Be_Data_Only_VoIP_Driven_Device.html The Google Phone May Be Data Only, VoIP Driven Device

    [...] 1 votes vote The Google Phone May Be Data Only, VoIP Driven Device Yesterday we wrote about the soon to launch Google Phone, a Google branded Android phone that we [...]

  • http://www.mostreviews.com/reviews/32023 The Party Line — Phone Buzz of the Day | MostReviews.com

    [...] real phone is yet to come? (TechCrunch) — That’s the alleged inside scoop from yesterday, although today the rumor was [...]

  • http://android.1800pocketpc.com/2009/11/19/the-google-phone-no-its-not-a-device-just-powered-by-android.html The Google Phone .. no its not a device just powered by Android. | Google Android Apps, News and Features

    [...] via TC [...]

  • http://www.pmptoday.com/2009/11/18/google-gphone-is-a-voip-pmp/ Google GPhone is a VoIP PMP? | PMP Today

    [...] [/source] GA_googleFillSlot("PMP-300×250"); google phone, gphone, VoIP [...]

  • jeff

    i thought if you jailbreak the phone you can do all that too, atleast that is what an iphone loving friend of mine said he did.

  • Michael Price

    LET’S START A RUMOR: the gPhone is actually Michael’s CrunchPad, it will sport the Chromium OS which is the reason for the delay (in fact Michael has already confirmed the delay is due to the software), it will be revealed in tandem with Chromium shortly, and Michael is really Eric Schmidt’s twin brother separated at birth due to a software glitch in the Stanford delivery room whose very existence cannot be confirmed. What say thou Michael, now that you have been exposed with such accuracy :-)

  • http://iphandroid.com/archives/103 Reality Check: Google Phone Far From a Sure Thing |

    [...] follow-up story posted on Wednesday goes on to state that the phone may be a “data-only, VOIP-driven device,” and that [...]

  • http://www.jdcoffman.com/2009/11/daily-lifestream-digest-for-2009-11-18/ Daily Lifestream Digest for 2009-11-18 | Jonathan Coffman – Lifestream

    [...] Shared a link on Google Reader. What if the Google Phone Is Data Only, With VOIP for Voice? [...]

  • Ali B

    Largest google products (other than ads) are still Search, Email, and Maps. Non of which were ever *really* owned by microsoft.

  • http://www.lingovoip.net/blog/7656/voip-212-arrested-for-providing-voip-broadbandreportscom/ Lingo VoIP » Blog Archive » VoIP – 212 arrested for providing VoIP – BroadbandReports.com

    [...] The Google Phone May Be Data Only, VoIP Driven Device – TechCrunchYesterday we wrote about the soon to launch Google Phone , a Google branded Android phone that we believe will hit the market in early 2010. Normally I d just point to the fact that many companies deny the existence of products until the day they [...]

  • http://android.google.org.cn/posts/google-phone-may-be-data-only-talk-via-voip.html 传 Google Phone 也许只能传输数据,打电话必须通过 VoIP | 谷安——谷奥Android专题站

    [...] TechCrunch 本站文章除注明转载外,均为本站原创编译 [...]

  • http://www.androidworld.nl/8703/gerucht-google-maakt-toch-eigen-telefoon/ Gerucht : Google maakt toch eigen telefoon | Androidworld

    [...] gerucht wordt op de tech-site Techcrunch wat meer gedefinieerd, het zou technisch gezien geen telefoon worden maar een data-only device. Op [...]

  • http://jardenberg.se/b/jardenberg-kommenterar-2009-11-19/ jardenberg kommenterar – 2009-11-19 — jardenberg unedited

    [...] The Google Phone May Be Data Only, VoIP Driven Device [...]

  • Easy

    1. Form an alliance of the 20% of publishers who produce 80% of page views generated by their content.

    2. Get this alliance to take their content off Google.

    3. Get paid for access to this content by competing search engines who’ll have the content.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lee_Lloyd/1526897028 Lee Lloyd

    In your exuberance, I think you miss the other side of the coin. While “MS isn’t even close to hurting Google’s own monopoly cash cow,” The same is true the other way around, and Google isn’t even close to hurting Microsoft’s own monopoly cash cow either. Google can make all the spreadsheet, word processor, and mail web apps they want, I have yet to see the single bit of evidence any of that is actually hurting Microsoft’s sales of Windows or Office.

    In reality, neither company is competing with the other in any appreciative way on either of their core businesses, except in their minds. Microsoft’s idea that Bing is going to unseat Google is no more Quixotic than Google’s idea that a Chrome OS is somehow going to pose a huge threat to Windows. Sure, Android looks set to slaughter Windows Mobile, but neither company actually makes any of their profits off of either of those OSs.

    It is great for us consumers that they loath each other, and are working hard to compete and poach each other’s talent, but in reality, they probably would have a lot more to gain by working together than they do in this pitched battle to chew around the periphery of each other’s markets.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lee_Lloyd/1526897028 Lee Lloyd

    None of the people I know with Google Voice accounts, myself included, were given that option. Google certainly takes the official line that it is a feature they want to provide in the future, but not one they currently provide.

    I think you just got lucky and signed up while they were doing a limited test of the feature.

  • http://appleplanet.net/2009/11/18/techcrunch-cellulare-google-in-arrivo-a-breve/ TechCrunch: Cellulare Google in arrivo a breve? | Apple Planet

    [...] Sempre secondo TechCrunch, il futuro telefono di Google avrà, come tutti i cellulari, la funzionalità delle normali [...]

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lee_Lloyd/1526897028 Lee Lloyd

    T-Mobile and AT&T both offer data-only plans right now. Why would they refuse to offer a product they already do?

  • SharonW

    I was thinking white space, too. It’s the only thing that really makes sense given what I’d have to think is complete reluctance on the part of carriers let alone the carriers’ own limitations.

    People do seem to have forgotten that they got approved devices for white space through the FCC.

    However, this also leads me to believe that it will be some sort of specialized phone like VOIP rather than what we think of a cell phone today. But would the recent purchase of Gizmo5 offer enough time to launch in early 2010? I mean, c’mon. That would be immensely fast in the world of take-overs and mergers. Aside from which, Google is notorious for years of beta. ;)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vidyaranya_Maddi/1356370548 Vidyaranya Maddi

    This is one of the best moves of Google. It is also not just going to be about phone anymore, it is clear that Google has a strong hold on the web-advertisement market and wants to hold the dominance – Wireless is going to pave the next wave. Google is going to push for a data-only phones and it is only matter of time before data-phones start to dominate the traditional wireless phones. This clearly is to retain its web search dominance and its ability to bring powerful search, tools, collaboration, directed advertising(AdMob acquisition) etc. etc. to mobile phones.

    This is a very well crafted and carefully orchestrated strategy!

    The challenges for Data-phones are going to be a lot..
    Starting from
    - securing VoIP on data only phones
    - voice on packet switched wireless networks is not yet reliable. There seems to be lot more hype around 3G than its ability to drive data, voice and video. While 3G can handle data/buffered-voice/video it definitely seems to be struggling with real-time communications. It is market transitioning push from big players like Google that will make the carriers solve these problems.
    - Ability to securely segregate enterprise VoIP/Extension vs. personal VoIP. This is where I think Google Voice will come make a difference.
    - Challenges with carriers and their robustness in US and UK markets. AT&T is clearly not going to cut-it out. We will need all the carriers to step up to the challenge.
    - Google wave and its integration into Google phone and all the cool things it could do will grab the market share from Microsoft, Apple and other players.

    Data-Only phones is the future of mobile-phones!

  • http://www.mobilyz.com/forum/f7/merken/f261/overige-merken/106967-geruchten-toch-echte-google-phone-komt.html#post703354 Geruchten dat er toch een “echte” Google Phone komt | Mobilyz.com

    [...] The Google Phone May Be Data Only, VoIP Driven Device [...]

  • http://fudge.org Jay Cuthrell

    When you consider the size of the Clear 4G tent over the Silicon Valley campus (that includes… oh… Google campus) and access to hardware systems to test in the tent — break out the Magic 8 Ball.

    Also, Google wasn’t listed specifically on the latest 1.5B kick into Clear’s funding. I covered this topic lightly back a few months ago.

    http://www.glgroup.com/News/Clearwire-is-not-your-fathers-wireless-play-43042.html

    This means that Google still has an option to kick in later but it doesn’t have to be about WiMAX city ramp vs. committed buildout specifically. Soak testing over the coming months might give a green light or it might be as simple as other investors wanting in more now vs. later.

    The Clear reps are going door to door in the Research Triangle Park, NC area already. So, buildout is on track for this market. I plan to drop Time Warner Cable data in favor of Clear data. The ARPU works out to about the same plus I pick up mobility.

  • http://wind333.wordpress.com/2009/11/19/my-daily-readings-11192009/ My daily readings 11/19/2009 « Strange Kite

    [...] The Google Phone May Be Data Only, VoIP Driven Device [...]

  • http://rpad.tv/2009/11/19/googles-own-android-phone-might-be-voip-only/ Google’s Own Android Phone Might Be VoIP Only | RPad.TV — Raymond Padilla & friends talk games and geek culture

    [...] phone with some pretty beefy specs…but it might not be a phone in the traditional sense. TechCrunch’s sources have told it that the phone will be data only and use VoIP for calling. The site’s [...]

  • Jeff

    There is no reason that a VOIP phone can’t utilize the e911 system in the United States. With a GPS in the unit Google could setup their service to get an exact location and pass that along to 911 and also use that to determine which area the 911 call should be placed to.

    I believe you are correct thought that if the Google phone is unable to make 911 calls I doubt it will get approval from the FCC, nor will it get approval from myself. I want any phone in my possession to be able to be utilized easily by anyone to call 911.

  • http://maclalalalink.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/%e3%82%a2%e3%83%83%e3%83%97%e3%83%ab%e3%81%a8%e3%82%b0%e3%83%bc%e3%82%b0%e3%83%ab%e3%81%ae-phone-%e6%88%a6%e4%ba%89%e5%8b%83%e7%99%ba%e3%81%8b%ef%bc%9f/ アップルとグーグルの Phone 戦争勃発か? « maclalala:link

    [...] The Google Phone May Be Data Only, VoIP Driven Device | TechCrunch The Google Phone may be a data only, VoIP driven device. And Google may be lining up at least AT&T to provide those data services for the Google Phone, says one person we spoke with today. [...]

  • http://www.yostivanich.com/2009/11/19/links-for-2009-11-19/ links for 2009-11-19 | Yostivanich

    [...] The Google Phone May Be Data Only, VoIP Dri­ven Device “The Google Phone may be a data only, VoIP dri­ven device. And Google may be lin­ing up at least AT&T to pro­vide those data ser­vices for the Google Phone, says one per­son we spoke with today.” I am so in love with this idea it isn’t even funny. (tags: google mobile inter­net voip android att) [...]

  • http://madhusudanrao.wordpress.com/2009/11/19/mobile-and-web2-0/ News on Mobile and Web2.0 « My Thoughts on Technology, Management, …

    [...] – yes, there are talks that Google will come up with a phone themselves!!! It seems it will be a VoIP driven phone. What is their motivation to come up with this phone and how this will work with the other phones [...]

  • Somebody

    Voice calls use the same bandwidth as data. Less voice calls + more data calls = net data difference of ZERO.

  • Somebody

    You know that google would put android on these devices, don’t you? That means that you can run whatever voip software and service that you like. There’s a nice one called SIPDROID that lets you, RIGHT NOW, do exactly what is being suggested — kill the phone plan and run all your calls (using a 3rd party SIP provider) over data.

  • Somebody

    Sure it is… as long as you use a decent audio encoding to keep the bandwidth at something sensible… i.e. G729

  • Somebody

    Yes, but what will likely happen is this;
    They will force you to pay DOUBLE for the data-only plan, making up the difference.

    This change is inevitable. What this process allows is for it to be done while leaving the telcos in a position of still retaining a little control.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ludovic_Maillard/568672175 Ludovic Maillard

    A really cheap mobile phone for develloping countries, this is what Google should do, and invest in the networks of these countries. With the model of the OLPC in mind, apps for education and business, this would be the best investment that the “do no evil” company could do.

  • Somebody

    Doesn’t use any more data. Less voice calls = more bandwidth available to be used by data calls.

    No emergency calls? What kind of drugs are you on?

    Voice networks more reliable? Maybe if your data device is a BLACKBERRY, but that isn’t what we’re talking about.

  • Somebody

    What? You mean free international phone calling via the wifi in your hotel room? Or the lobby? Or the park down the street?

  • Somebody

    The difference is that google is more-or-less open about things (puts you in control) whereas apple/ms are closed up sonofabitches.

  • http://wlgjr.wordpress.com/2009/11/19/sucker-4-free/ Sucker (4) Free « Squinted Vision…

    [...] your at it, stop by the good people at TechCrunch too.  Check out that article on the Google Phone! (no, not [...]

  • Jamie

    Good post.

    I would especially like to compliment you for not saying ‘they are going to have a whole “NOTHER” class’ as we all know that “nother” is not a word.

  • http://news.netapex.org NetApex

    My thoughts… there WILL be a Google phone and it is closer that most would like to think. I stated once before (http://news.netapex.org/?p=429) Google fully intends to secure mobile VoIP in Android, and the recent Gizmo5 acquisition is all but the writing on the wall. Google is big picture. And the picture I see is a low cost Android VoIP phone designed to connect to Google’s VoIP network (which will probably be what Gizmo5 was purchased for) to enable free calling. That same Android software will be pushed out to other Android phones that are already on the market, and viola, carriers will suddenly find themselves having welcomed the trojan horse. So either they start adjusting their business plan (and for some reason I feel Verizon may already be working on something) or they start looking at new ways to make income.

  • JW

    I want to know how dropping TW Cable and moving to Clear Wimax works for you. That is my plan too.

    My only hesitation is the ping times I see for Wimax are much higher (100ms+ for Clear, while my TW Cable pings are typically 34ms). I am concerned that my VOIP (ooma) quality will suffer under Clear.

  • Pookiebadmuffin

    What? As if it’s impossible? Why try? Just give up?

    Are you French?

    For starters, collusion. Any competitor could get away with some dirty pool while Google maintains their monopoly.

    MSFT could pull something like they do with cash-back on search, but with advertisers. They have deep enough pockets to pull it off. It would have been better to start earlier when Google’s wallet was a little lighter though. I think this might be similar to what Easy (below) is driving at…

    But maybe it’s less about going after their ad business as much as it is attempting to make it more and more of a commodity to decrease the rate of return and make it less and less profitable.

  • http://planetandroid.vitaeblog.com/?p=5076 Planet Android » Blog Archive » Google Phone By HTC – Early 2010?

    [...] with what I’ve heard and follow up with my own thoughts. The two TechCrunch articles (here is the second) make the following [...]

  • http://blog.ziggytek.com/2009/11/19/4-things-google-needs-to-do-to-make-their-phone-a-success/ 4 Things Google Needs To Do To Make Their Phone A Success » ZiggyTek » Blog

    [...] read any online news, then you probably haven’t heard that Google is planning to release their own phone next year. While it’s great news for consumers, who will get another competitor in the already [...]

  • http://www.appfeber.se/2009/11/google-vs-telia/ Google vs Telia? | AppFeber.se

    [...] inte skulle gilla? Jo, det senaste ryktet säger nämligen att det ska vara en ren Voice over IP-lösning. Alltså helt datatrafik-beroende, ingen klassisk minutbaserad telefontaxa. I dagsläget [...]

  • http://blog.interactivemediums.com/2009/11/19/we-called-it-google-to-produce-its-own-mobile-phone-and-change-the-mobile-landscape-at-the-same-time/ We called it! Google to produce its own mobile phone and change the mobile landscape at the same time | Hello Mobile!

    [...] to offer free, ad supported iPhones could force Google into the device business.  Yesterday it was reported Google was in fact getting into the device business but with a voice over internet protocol (voip) [...]

  • http://www.iControl.tv Shakir Razak

    Hi,

    Learn from the master:

    “Everyone hates a monopoly, until they own one”

    The webtards and the mainstream media ignorants have bought into the “Don’t be evil” spin, and let it go completely un-challenged at least until a few years ago.

    Every new google product hyped ad nauseam across the world to maximise mind-share as if Google was a benevolent not-for-profit at the cost of actual news, information and competitive plurality.

    The developer community have acquiesced t the point where google thinks it can now release its own operating system and programming language.

    Google has played the magician – while everyone was still pointing at the old incumbants, who had to play things more traditionally and everyone was dogmatically paranoid about them, it’s got govt.’s to change policies, and directed the whole internets thinking.

    Now those final foundations are being put in place, between the OS, The cloud and Mobile, welcome to your Google Skynet (worse than Murdoch) future.

    Yours kindly,

    Shakir Razak

    P.s.
    If the current Android manufacturers haven’t got the brain-cells to figure out how things will develop, then they might well deserve all they get, but what do people think will happen when search does hit organic-growth maturity, and the company is already ensconced in the digital eco-system of our lives, and it never truly really cared for its partners interests in the first place, where will it get further growth from?

  • gunit
  • http://www.skratchboard.com/2009/11/google-phone-why-it-makes-sense/ Google Phone: why it makes sense. | SkratchBoard.com

    [...] phone. The phone will be produced by a major phone manufacturer, but will only be Google branded. A follow on update to this report also stated that the device could be data-only with no access to traditional circuit [...]

  • Airlinkguy

    That’s not quite true. You not only have the digitized voice payload but also an address on every packet. The real problem though is the airlink. The protocols currently in use, be it UMTS (AT&T) or EVDO (Verizon&SPRINT) were designed specifically for high speed throughput. You have to give up something to get something and in this case the trade off is reliability. While the pure data user doesn’t care about momentary stops and starts, the occasional latency etc., it is very annoying and will not be tolerated by voice users. Regardless of what Google has planned, IMO it won’t be a workable reality until LTE is a reality.

  • http://nofilmschool.com/2009/11/the-google-phone-will-be-free/ The Google Phone will be free at No Film School

    [...] reportedly did with the Motorola Droid (of which I’m a current user). But then TechCrunch speculated that the Gphone may not be a traditional cellular phone but rather a mobile VoIP device that uses [...]

  • http://nofilmschool.com Ryan

    VoIP makes a lot more sense than a traditional cellular device for Google. But I think their plan is to make the service free; seen in that light, whether they make their own devices are not is kind of inconsequential.

    http://nofilmschool.com/2009/11/the-google-phone-will-be-free/

  • http://mocioi.wordpress.com/2009/11/19/un-pic-despre-google/ un pic despre Google « …doar nişte păreri, texte, pretexte, proteste…

    [...] [sursa2], [sursa3], [...]

  • http://www.blogdemoviles.com.ar/rumores-sobre-un-telefono-voip-por-parte-de-google/ Rumores sobre un telefono VOIP por parte de google,Android

    [...] lo comenta Michael Arrington en TechCrunch, que señala que sólo es apoyado por una fuente y no pueden ser totalmente fiables. Él cree que [...]

  • http://www.reviewsreviewed.co.uk Richard Howell

    Android isn’t there to make money. It’s there to ensure Google can get its apps like Maps for Navigation on to handsets with access to the networks. Google’s business is selling advertising, and everything else is merely a means to that end: http://www.reviewsreviewed.co.uk/index.php/mobileblog/Network-operators-beware.-Google-will-eat-your-lunch.html

    Consequently I very much doubt that Google will sell their “own-brand” handset. However this could be a reader of some description with VoIP abilities, hence the purchase of Gizmo5(?), and perhaps available on Clearwire?

  • http://techtjek.blogs.business.dk/2009/11/20/gphone-rygtet-der-ikke-vil-d%c3%b8/ » Kan man lave en mobiltelefon i beta? – Tech tjek – teknologi til folket

    [...] samme dag kom Arrington så med et nyt indlæg, hvor han lancerede en ny vinkel: Gphone skal kun køre ip-telefoni. Dermed ville man undgå en [...]

  • Daz

    Thats Where Cisco Exp In Streaming Data Wifi Video Come In Thay Put The You In Youtube

  • http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/20/this-week-on-techcrunch-real-time-distractions-indian-outsourcing-rumours-layoffs-and-scobles-brave-new-world-of-tweets/ This Week On TechCrunch: Real-time distractions, Indian outsourcing, rumours, layoffs and Scoble’s brave new world of tweets

    [...] of launching a new Google phone. It’s ‘very real‘ says Mike. And it may even be VoIP-only. [...]

  • http://www.myiphoneplace.com/?p=4491 On Google ChromeOS, VoIP-only gPhones, and How the iPhone Benefits | MyiPhonePlace.com

    [...] ubiquitous connectivity. We’re not there yet but we will be soon. And maybe that’s why TechCrunch is following up their rumours of a branded Google gPhone with even more rumours that it will be a [...]

  • http://www.talkiphonenow.com/on-google-chromeos-voip-only-gphones-and-how-the-iphone-benefits/ On Google ChromeOS, VoIP-only gPhones, and How the iPhone Benefits | TalkiPhoneNow.Com

    [...] ubiquitous connectivity. We’re not there yet but we will be soon. And maybe that’s why TechCrunch is following up their rumours of a branded Google gPhone with even more rumours that it will be a [...]

  • tombjo

    No way! First you would need to launch white space cellular network in several markets (and not long thereafter, nationwide) before launching any devices. Also, the technology needs to be standarized. If only to make the networks and devices interoperable. And then you need to create tha ASICs for the devices. This process takes years!

    No way that anyone is doing a huge launch of a white space commercial consumer device in the next year or two!

    Either they launch it on 3G (WCDMA if they want to go world wide) now or if they are really bold, they wait a little and launch it as one if the first LTE-devices out there.

  • http://allthephone.co.cc/wordpress/?p=43 All the Phone Infoprmation » Blog Archive » On Google ChromeOS, VoIP-only gPhones, and How the iPhone Benefits

    [...] ubiquitous connectivity. We’re not there yet but we will be soon. And maybe that’s why TechCrunch is following up their rumours of a branded Google gPhone with even more rumours that it will be a [...]

  • http://www.googleandblog.com/google-flan-android-phone/31347/ Google to Make its Own Flan Android Phone | GAB

    [...] Michael Arrington threw his reputation along with TechCrunch behind the latest Google Phone rumors although it could be another Punk’d episode as Facebook [...]

  • http://planetandroid.vitaeblog.com/?p=5219 Planet Android » Blog Archive » Google to Make its Own Flan Android Phone – Maybe

    [...] Michael Arrington threw his reputation along with TechCrunch behind the latest Google Phone rumors although it could be another Punk’d episode as Facebook [...]

  • http://www.ethioplanet.com/vybes/2009/11/22/according-to-%e2%80%9cwell-sourced-rumors%e2%80%9d-the-gphone-is-coming-next-year-but-maybe-as-a-data-only-device/ According to “Well-Sourced Rumors”, the GPhone is Coming Next Year, But Maybe as a Data Only Device | Vybes.com – Tech News, Reviews, Business, Health News and More

    [...] over at TechCrunch reported yesterday that the famous Google Phone was in fact coming in 2010. Today, they have an updated post on the same topic, but saying that the GPhone might end up being just a [...]

  • http://mobilania.com/2009/11/26/google-phone-may-be-voip-only-rumour/ Google Phone may be VOIP only [Rumour] | Mobilania.com

    [...] Source VN:F [1.7.7_1013]please wait…Rating: 0.0/10 (0 votes cast)VN:F [1.7.7_1013]Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)AKPC_IDS += "1991,";Popularity: unranked [?] Share and Enjoy: [...]

  • http://googleilcasoandroid.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/the-google-phone-may-be-data-only-voip-driven-device/ The Google Phone May Be Data Only, VoIP Driven Device « Google: Il caso Android
  • http://www.talkdelaware.com/f32/voip-going-big-time-12476.html#post230761 VoIP going big time? – Talk Delaware Online

    [...] [...]

  • http://mickerlodeon.com/2009/11/arrington-says-google-is-building-android-hardware/ Michael Arrington Has Heard That Google is Building Android Hardware – mickerlodeon

    [...] it is in Arrington’s followup piece where he could be getting a little closer to something I could believe. But there may be another [...]

  • http://johnacraft.com/2009/12/13/nexus-one/ Nexus One is not the Google Phone

    [...] the next day: The Google Phone may be a data only, VoIP driven device. And Google may be lining up at least [...]

  • http://allthephone.co.cc/wordpress/?p=707 All the Phone Information » Blog Archive » Google to Make its Own Flan Android Phone – Maybe

    [...] Michael Arrington threw his reputation along with TechCrunch behind the latest Google Phone rumors although it could be another Punk’d episode as Facebook [...]

  • http://sbroh.wordpress.com/2009/12/14/google-phone-articles/ Google Phone 출시 관련 기사 정리 « Internet Generalist

    [...] 2009/11/18 TechChrunch “구글폰은 기존 전화기와는 다른 폰이 될지도” The Google Phone May Be Data Only, VoIP Driven Device [...]

  • http://pakspice.com/gossips/the-google-phone-will-be-free-3/ The Google Phone will be free – The Real Spice of Entertainment – Pak Spice

    [...] reportedly did with the Motorola Droid (of which I’m a current user). But then TechCrunch speculated that the Gphone may not be a traditional cellular phone but rather a mobile VoIP device that uses [...]

  • sarah

    AT&T provides data at their own price, I can’t imagine them going down to $20/month, regardless of the manufacturer. Any data only plans that they can provide are at $60+/month. The only data that is provided at similar costs is a bolt-on feature with voice service making the user pay quite a bit more than $20/mo.

    I would buy it if the service was $20/mo.

  • http://blog.pakspice.com/blogs/the-google-phone-will-be-free/ The Google Phone will be free

    [...] reportedly did with the Motorola Droid (of which I’m a current user). But then TechCrunch speculated that the Gphone may not be a traditional cellular phone but rather a mobile VoIP device that uses [...]

  • bangzenk

    Sometimes it’s weird..

    http://voipbusiness28.blogspot.com/

  • Shawn

    This was my favorite rumor about the Google Phone, but now after the Jan 5th launch, it turned out to be a bust.

  • http://www.freedomiq.com hostedvoipphonefan

    They’ll never beat the advantages of using a hosted voip service. Those services can offer much more to business owners. Android is just a fun device. I must say though, I’ve seen it and it did look cooler than I thought it would. It looks sleeker than the iphone.

  • http://androidwebportal.com/ yoni

    You can use Backgrounder to keep Fring open all the time…

  • http://www.texuas.com/blog/?p=262 Vale, Google está haciendo su propio móvil | Texuas

    [...] fuentes, en inglés: techcrunch1, techcrunch2 y [...]

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