Deny This, Last.fm
Michael Arrington
May 22, 2009

A couple of months ago Erick Schonfeld wrote a post titled “Did Last.fm Just Hand Over User Listening Data To the RIAA?” based on a source that has proved to be very reliable in the past. All hell broke loose shortly thereafter.

Before posting Erick reached out to the RIAA, Last.fm and parent company CBS for comments. The only response was from CBS – “To our knowledge, no data has been made available to RIAA.” The CBS spokesperson, Katie Gunion, subsequently emailed us to say “would you please attribute the statement to Last.fm, it is currently reading as though CBS issued the statement” Gunion’s email lists her title as Public Relations, CBS Interactive, and her first statement did not name Last.fm (this is important, see below). A subsequent statement by Shannon Jacobs, VP of Communications at CBS: “this is a last.fm issue, as far as I am concerned. It is not a corporate issue. This is a last.fm issue, not a corporate issue. The posting represents last.fm’s response.”

After the story broke all concerned parties had no problem commenting publicly.

Last.fm cofounder Richard Jones said “I’m rather pissed off this article was published, except to say that this is utter nonsense and totally untrue.” He followed up with a blog post “Techcrunch are full of shit, “I denied it vehemently on the Techcrunch article, as did several other Last.fm staffers. We denied it in the Last.fm forums, on twitter, via email – basically we denied it to anyone that would listen, and now we’re denying it on our blog.” One blog called us a “tabloid masquerading as a legitimate news outlet.” Lots of others piled on.

Apart from updating the original post we’ve been quiet on this story. The person who first leaked the news was terminated from CBS for the leak, says our original source, and threatened with legal action. He understandably went very quiet. But the outrageously shrill denials by Last.fm just didn’t ring true. Once you got past the personal attacks, the denial language itself was too carefully worded.

Now we’ve located another source for the story, someone who’s very close to Last.fm. And it turns out Last.fm was telling the truth, sorta, when they said Erick’s story wasn’t correct.

Last.fm didn’t hand user data over to the RIAA. According to our source, it was their parent company, CBS, that did it. That corresponds to what our original source said in conversations we had after our initial post and before CBS lawyers became involved. But we didn’t want to update until we had an independent source for that information, too.

Here’s what we believe happened, based on our sources: CBS requested user data from Last.fm, including user name and IP address. CBS wanted the data to comply with a RIAA request but told Last.fm the data was going to be used for “internal use only.” It was only after the data was sent to CBS that Last.fm discovered the real reason for the request, say our sources. Last.fm staffers were outraged, say our sources, but the data had already been sent to the RIAA.

Here’s an email from the original source, partially redacted. A screenshot of this email is here.

Re: touching base

From: [redacted, a CBS employee]
Sent: [redacted]
To: [redacted]

[ _____] We provided the data to the RIAA yesterday because we know from experience that they can negatively impact our streaming rates with publishers. Based on the urgency of the request they probably just wanted to learn more about the leak but who knows. Seriously, can you blame them? [______] Our ops team provided the usual reports along with additional log data including user IP addresses. The GM who told them to do it said the data was for internal use only. Well, that was the big mistake. The team in the UK became irate because they had to do it a second time since we were told some of the data was corrupted. This time they transferred the data directly to them and in doing so they discovered who really made the request. Shit really hit the fan, I even got a call [______] Obviously, I can see their POV but what they don’t understand over there is that we are in the analytics business and it’s not like this is the first time we’ve provided this data to a third party. Someone over there should be more forthright with users about the data policy instead of complaining about BD to upper management like I’m here trying to destroy the business. We’re just trying to help them stay afloat here it’s not like Pro memberships are earning any revenue! [______________] So if you hear of anything, I’m even open to possibly moving West now for the right opportunity, let me know.

Our new source, which hasn’t seen this email, says much the same: that Last.fm didn’t know the nature of the CBS request until after the data was sent and that the data was in fact subsequently sent by CBS to the RIAA. This source’s information comes directly from Last.fm employees who he has spoken with.

It’s important to note that while sources are in agreement that it was the RIAA that made the request, it may have been one or more music labels acting independently. The suggestion in the email above that the compliance was made because of the ability for the requester to negatively impact streaming rates suggests it was a label request. But the end result is the same. So if CBS/Last.fm deny sending data to the RIAA but don’t say anything about the labels, they’re being shifty again. Also, there are whispers that someone may have put a stop to the data transfer before it left CBS – that gives them a denial out if they paint with broad strokes. Much better would be if they simply, honestly, told us what really happened and we could move on.

We believe, based on information supplied by our sources, that CBS lied to us when they denied sending, or at least intending to send, the data to the RIAA, and that they subsequently asked us to attribute the quote to Last.fm to make the statement defensible. Last.fm’s denials were strictly speaking correct, but they ignored the underlying truth of the situation say our sources,, that their parent company supplied user data to the RIAA, and that the data could possibly be used in civil and criminal actions against those users. We believe that the outrage they aimed at us for reporting the story, which we believe was materially correct, should have been aimed at CBS instead. But Last.fm never spoke publicly of the real facts of the story.

We believe Last.fm and CBS may have violated their own privacy policy in the transmission of this data. We also believe CBS and Last.fm may have violated EU privacy laws, including the Data Protection Directive, and should be investigated by the appropriate authorities.

And to the CBS employee who was, according to our original source, fired and threatened based on this story – we believe certain U.S. Whistle Blower laws may protect you from retaliation from CBS in this matter. We’d like to provide you with legal counsel at our cost.

Update: Last.fm denial.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shane_OGorman/1388357076 Shane O’Gorman

    Will someone please sue the RIAA out of existence and end the entire record company monopoly once and for all?

    Pretty please?

    Great follow up by the way.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ankush_Gupta/681487152 Ankush Gupta

    Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand this is why I’ll probably not be using Last.fm for at least a little while.

  • tom

    ummm mike…

    i thought whistle blower laws only applied to an individual if the individual was uncovering/dealing with potentiallu illegal activity…

    it’s been awhile since i’ve had to look at the appropriate statutes, and of course things have changed…

    could you care to point to the releveant fed statutes on this issue?

    thanks

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew_Wise/2003532 Andrew Wise

    Mike,

    Very kind of you to offer legal assistance to the terminated Last.fm employee, too often, especially amid the current banking fiasco, those who speak the truth are punished and silenced by the powers to be.

    Seriously, though, any user who is uploading illegal content to any site, whether it be Last.fm/Seeqpod/etc. should be a lot more careful. The new Eminem CD is not worth $10,000 or possible jail time?? The loyalties of Last.fm only go so far for protecting their users, caveat emptor.

  • steve

    Woah, it looks like I’m the first person to comment, and that has never happened before (LOL)

    The music industry at large still hasn’t recovered from the body blow that was NAPSTER and in trying to help them make it better, Apple iTunes has come in and made itself a nice little monopoly off the back of that, but we’re beginning to realise that’s not the whole solution It’s gonna get a lot bloodier yet.

    I’m not a member of Last.fm so am not really affected. Data protection advocates should look into this very carefully because shit IS gonna hit the fan.

    Also, I can’t sit back and say “I told you this was gonna happen” because I don’t think anyone saw this one coming. How it will affect members and listeners will remain to be seen in the next few weeks. Personally I’m still pissed at Pandora for closing off the relays and I.P. addresses for UK listeners.

  • http://fudge.org Jay Cuthrell

    I’ll eat my crow with some fava beans and a nice chianti…

    http://parislemon.com/2009/02/on-being-full-of-shit.html#comment-7777377

    Way to stay on it TC.

  • http://www.twitter.com/vicberggren Vic Berggren

    Extremely, strong follow-up Mike.

  • noobssss

    Nice one Arrington… well done and thanks for providing legal costs to after those guys.

    I don’t always agree with you, in fact hardly ever but at the core you know what’s good and right and you stand up for it and more important you show it with your actions…

    Please let us know whether the guy agrees and how the case goes..

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/James_Stark/1659387023 James Stark

    Don’t forget to check out http://www.twibeo.com the twitter FF combo.

  • brad northrop

    wow! great article guys.

    when you’re not preoccupied with twitter, TC can put out some great stories.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean_Percival/500335284 Sean Percival

    We can’t forget. You won’t let us.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean_Percival/500335284 Sean Percival

    I’m guessing you wont be invited to the cbs holiday party after this post.

  • http://soeet.com Chris

    “Apart from updating the original post we’ve been quiet on this story. The person who first leaked the news was terminated from CBS for the leak”

    I just want to state the obvious. Micheal Arrington and Techcrunch aren’t worth your job or ruining your life.

    Don’t leak information to them. Don’t put yourself at risk for a dumb internet blog.

    You won’t be compensated and the 15 minutes will fade very quickly.

  • http://www.orkutjunior.com Orkut Junior

    Good follow up, this post reminds one of the good old TC days when each post had some stuff like this in it. unlike today,sadly.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael_Grandfield/502252258 Michael Grandfield

    Awesome story. Come up with an actual person with a name, and I might believe it.

  • http://soeet.com Chris

    one more tip, if your broker gives you access to a margin account, use it wisely. I saw a bottom today and went investment crazy with broker money.

    That was really dumb.

  • http://last.fm/ Rich

    No more scrobbling from this last.fm ex-user. Shame on you last.fm & CBS.

  • http://www.cultureattack.me Owen

    Maybe their not worth risking your job for.

    But if you know someone is doing something very wrong, be it criminal or moral, don’t you feel you should do something?

  • http://soeet.com Chris

    Chris’s advice, tell them you know, ask for a raise or some benefits.

    The world is hardly a fair place. You have to watch out for yourself and mind your own business.

    Otherwise you get fired, and wind up visiting job fairs and using food stamps. Furthermore your X years at the company will be worthless since your reference is now destroyed.

  • James

    Awesome journalism! Great story and the original is when I turned off scrobbling and have never used last.fm EVER again. They are liars, thieves and scumbags. What they did is disgusting. How did they ever think being sold to CBS would help them at all other than getting an initial giant payoff. I love the line about how the RIAA can substantially increase their stream rates. It’s a cartel! A racket!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean_Percival/500335284 Sean Percival

    You have too much advice.

  • KR

    I’d say you just wrecked the weekend for a whole bunch of people at CBS and Last.fm.

  • http://simplerain.com/ Dovy

    @ Chris

    Some people actually want to improve the world and ensure laws are kept. I respect the one who blew the whistle and I respect TechCrunch for bringing it to light. Great post Mike.

    This world needs more people with integrity and less people who only care about their own self-interest. Just my take.

    But on the other side, it is difficult to do the right thing. It’s not for everyone, though I wish it were. ;)

  • blast fm

    There is probable legal ground for a class-action suit on behalf of the millions of Last.fm users whose privacy rights have apparently been violated here.

    CBS paid $280 million for Last.fm, methinks CBS can start to think about writing that money off their books, because this thing is going to blow up.

    It is one thing to download tracks from p2p sites knowing the risk of getting sued, but it is entirely a different matter when one can listen to a “legitimate Internet radio” and end up handing over one’s private data to RIAA.

    Yes, with intense interest, I would also like to hear Last.fm’s official response to this story.

  • hybrid-kernel

    While I don’t 100% believe this, I do think CBS is full of shit. I’ll try my best to switch to libre.fm (once this is proven some other way).

  • http://jyoseph.com jyoseph

    pwnd.

  • Justin Y

    Crackle!

  • Kevin Miller

    Now Richard is in full of shit.

  • http://chris-wallace.com Chris Wallace

    Ballsy combined with awesome = Bawlsome.

  • Jay

    Seriously. James. Just clam up already.

  • http://chris-wallace.com Chris Wallace

    First comment FAIL.

  • http://iconicguitars.blogspot.com/2009/05/american-idol-8-did-adam-get-axed-part.html Iconic Guitars

    POP!

    Come on, there are more serious issues in the world: how could Adam lose Idol? How could Kiss play in prime time (shirtless Paul Stanley!)? How could both event happen simultaneously?

    Adam got the Axe… Guitar

  • Had to do it

    Pop

  • GMan

    (That’s the way the money goes,)
    Pop! goes the weasel.

  • http://awkwardutopia.com Vake

    Thanks for following through on this story, Mike, and not being intimidated.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4coIRuWEA1k Gebadia Smith

    Fight the power… Michael Arlington takes on Facebook and now CBS…. whose next?

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  • Roger Pendler

    is this the first thing cbs has done with last.fm since the acquisition? this once great site has languished for too long.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason_Bogovich/704418331 Jason Bogovich

    As a six year premium paying member of CBS Fantasy football I can now honestly say I will be moving my last league to Flea flicker.

    I will use Pandora, and I think we open source contributors need to concentrate on building services to replace these types of privacy trust destroying executives.

    I don’t remember my terms of service stating the entire communities listening habits would be used by third parties to conduct which hunts on under privileged and sometimes innocent victims.

    I’m on a mission, everyone spread the word. We must do something to either save Last.FM or let them die. We can no longer trust CBS, they’ve lied, cheated, and most likely done much, much worse.

    Thank you Mike. Like the FSF recently said, SAS is just as bad as software you don’t have the source code to modify. This story explains that it’s actually much worse, there are many more reasons why we should not use services that can’t be branched if treasonous behaviors like this occur between a service and the music loving kind souls who help build it.

    I’m very sorry you didn’t find better funding Last.FM. I’ve been a big fan for a long time but like an old research colleague of mine said once, “Don’t you ever think that the entire reason CBS purchased this was to aid the RIAA? That was right after the sale.

  • Pete

    Mike just bitch-slapped CBS Nice. This is better than Consumerist material. Every mouth watering sentence makes this a classic post.

    But I especially like the comment on here about a potential class action lawsuit. That would be heaven.

    These corporate pricks got their asses handed to them. Publicly. Friggin awesome.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason_Bogovich/704418331 Jason Bogovich

    I am having second thoughts of keeping my Rhapsody account active as well. I love how they seem to be pushing the legal issues for the users but:

    1. We need to bankrupt (socially and financially) the RIAA
    2. We need to somehow save Last.FM &/or recreate the same service in an open source manner. Then any company could buy & if these evil, perhaps unlawful types of actions took place then we could branch the service because it’s open source.

  • http://Jyoseph.com Jyoseph

    Or the answer to “How was babby formed?”.

  • riffic

    that isn’t how last.fm works.. you aren’t uploading songs to the service at all, you “scrobble” your plays and all you are sending to the service is that you listened to so and so at whenever.

  • riffic

    i wish they would spin off audioscrobbler as an open source project.

  • blast fm

    The email is completely damning.

    One sentence after another, it reveals the nature of an industry built on extortion (“We provided the data to the RIAA yesterday because we know from experience that they can negatively impact our streaming rates with publishers…”), deceit (“The team in the UK became irate because they had to do it a second time since we were told some of the data was corrupted. This time they transferred the data directly to them and in doing so they discovered who really made the request…”), cutthroat business dealings (“We’re just trying to help them stay afloat here it’s not like Pro memberships are earning any revenue…”), and on and on.

    This is a Perry-Mason moment for TechCrunch.

    Classic!

  • http://bjorn.tipling.com Bjorn Tipling

    Oh snap! I just uninstalled my last fm scrobble app. Too bad too, because I found it really useful. Perhaps someone knows of some alternative? I’m sorry but I can’t continue to use this service anymore.

  • http://www.divvyupsocialmedia.com Ibrahim Ismail

    Lmao. Chris I love your Word Press Themes! But I will not use that Last.FM plugin anymore! Too Dangerous >.>

  • http://russelljohn.net Russell

    :D

  • http://france.com jim

    please die quietly

  • Janes

    One sentence after another, it reveals the nature of an industry built on extortion (”We provided the data to the RIAA yesterday because we know from experience that they can negatively impact our streaming rates with publishers…”), deceit (”The team in the UK became irate because they had to do it a second time since we were told some of the data was corrupted. This time they transferred the data directly to them and in doing so they discovered who really made the request…”), cutthroat business dealings (”We’re just trying to help them stay afloat here it’s not like Pro memberships are earning any revenue…”), and on and on.

    http://tinyurl.com/adiosjugar

  • Janes
  • Ex-Valley

    eh. . .. . dont talk about things you dont understand

  • Ex-Valley

    Mike is brilliant . . . post this on memorial weekend friday. . . CBS wont be able to cook up an excuse with their pr team without canceling their vacations .. .

    brilliant!

  • Barack Obama

    Can you give me some free legal counsel? Being President is hella hard.

  • http://toastedrav.com Mike Flynn

    See the beauty of this is that the smiley face will make you more likely to click on his spam!

    Meanwhile, back at the point: This is completely insane, and Last.fm has been removed from my computer (actually forgot it was still there).

    Great work on this story!

  • http://www.geekycoder.com geekycoder

    Will we see the Last of Last.fm ?

  • Fuck RIAA

    ya fuck the RIAA

  • http://www.dorksandlosers.com Tan The Man

    This is especially bad for people who get press copies of pre-released music. I guess it wouldn’t be worth the hassle of having to explain your credentials in scrobbling supposedly “pirated” music… GRRR

  • http://www.dorksandlosers.com Tan The Man

    lameoid…

  • http://www.windowslogy.com Windowslogy

    Holy chilly. You should grab a CBS guy for this and let him chew a chilly.

  • http://paradigmpop.com Diwant Vaidya

    This was totally my reaction too! Sometimes the business world is like this soap opera, which only shows that it indeed is a small world after all.

  • http://fudge.org Jay Cuthrell

    I was hoping that maybe the folks at TechCrunch could modify the occurrences of his URL to be replaced with something like http://tinyurl.com/twibeo-spam-sux which has the side benefit of a referral trail that compounds in the intent of the message itself.

  • http://www.henricson.se/mats Mats Henricson

    There is actually a word for this behaviour in Swedish. We call it “dementimaskinen”, i.e. The Denial Machine. It often gets started at political parties when someone by mistake have said something that shouldn’t have been revealed.

    For example, our secretary of foreign affairs in an interview said that Sweden’s National Defence Radio Establishment might swap intelligence information with foreign regimes, even dictatorships. When that shit hit the fan, the denial machine kicked in, claiming that he was falsely quoted, and that the National Defence Radio Establishment would never do such a thing. It turns out the denial was just technically true – it would be the Swedish government that would swap this material, not that agency itself. i.e. a situation very similar to this case.

  • http://www.backtype.com/duarte_vasco Vasco Duarte

    Good piece TC!

    It would make you even more noble if you had apologized for the original piece.

    To those that say this is not serious I have news for you: breaking the law is serious! Our society depends on the respect for the law, break it without consequences and society breaks down.

  • JI

    This and starting to charge for streaming in most of Europe is the only news I’ve seen from them in a while. Way to increase the value of your purchase, CBS.

  • http://blogprenuer.blogspot.com/ Blogprenuer

    For real? woah this one is so surprising

  • pavs

    I don’t think you realize that not everyone is selfish like you.

    Oh wait, that’s why you don’t realize it…

  • GMan

    Yeah, CBS, the network with the Illuminati eye as it’s icon.

    In a world where so many things get glazed over this is the kind of invigorating fiery blood through your veins type reveal that makes you realize “No wait, taking it up the rear is not becoming tolerable anymore.”

    I would be quivering like Kanye standing next to Mike Meyers if I were about to click publish. Gee if you can do this it might just mean we could all take a brick out of the mansions of hypocrisy and bring a mob with digital pitchforks and torches.

    Wow! Where’s that collective Digg button because I think we can all digg a grave where the headstone reads last.fm. I think those last 2 letters will represent the words that come out of Richard’s mouth when he reads this.

    “F*ck me!”

    PS. HAVE THEY GOT YOUR FINGERPRINT

    http://blog.last.fm/2007/08/29/audio-fingerprinting-for-clean-metadata

  • Marc

    Cause the weasel goes POP!

  • pavs

    TC I will moderate you spams for free. PLS let me do it.

    Seriously, I don’t know any other top rated blog that has such a high number of spam comments, most of these spams can be easily taken care of by off-the-self wordpress (which you guys are using) plug-ins. Can be configured to auto-delete / ban / spam-tag comments.

    Why is it so difficult?

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  • riffic

    libre.fm is a project that attempts to build an open source version of last.fm.. However, it would be nice to see the original Audioscrobbler technology freed by CBS/Last.FM

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    CBS & Last.fm – how to strangle your own acquisitions…

    CBS bought Last.fm in May 2007 for $280m.

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  • Bobbie

    Thank you for bringing this story to light!

  • anonymous

    Thank you for not throwing in the towel Michael. The internet can be incredibly stupid (4chan) and incredibly retarded (also 4chan), if you had bowed to their demand that you retract the earlier post we may never have heard *any* of this.

    Screw you Last.fm. And just so you know that statement right there is the polar opposite of what I was telling people a year ago, and I’m about to inform those same people as much with a link to here so they can see what you slimy dishonest bastards have done.

  • http://Knyshov.com/?tc Leonid S. Knyshov

    Perfect article.

    I love how it’s written, seriously.

  • GMan

    “NO, WAIT! ‘TO SERVE CUSTOMERS’, it’s . .it’s . . IT’S A COOKBOOK!”

  • Patcito

    Glad I switched to http://libre.fm a free alternative to lastfm.

  • riffic

    way to misunderstand what audio fingerprinting was supposed to accomplish.

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    :( I just uninstalled..

    Darn, I loved last.fm.. Is libre.fm any good?

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  • http://inspiredm.com/ Andy

    Well maybe now is the tiime for “20 Fantastic Ways to Find New Music That You Like (no Last.fm & Pandora Inside)” http://www.inspiredm.com/2009/03/17/20-fantastic-ways-to-find-new-music-that-you-like-no-lastfm-pandora-inside

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  • Mark

    I don’t understand this sentence in the email:
    “We provided the data to the RIAA yesterday because we know from experience that they can negatively impact our streaming rates with publishers.”
    This seems very unlikely. Publishers aren’t represented by RIAA. RIAA represents recording industry, not publishing industry. Streaming rates for publishing industry are usually determined by government bodies. This sentence doesn’t make sense.

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  • marty

    I used lastFm quiet a bit and recommended to my family and friends, shame on you LastFm…

  • Renji

    Looks like its time to switch to the newcomer http://www.jamwee.com

    I’ve been waiting for the June 15th Beta launch anyway. Just deleted my Last.fm account.

  • alexoo

    Let’s shift to http://libre.fm/

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Black_Engellic/1215834333 Black Engellic

    Well I am now highly comptemplating using Last Fm. RIAA are some sneaky bastards but still use such illegal means of research to get there data. Here’s some news for all you assholes who think you deserve something for the ones and zeros we have. Your gonna die, you won’t take it with you, and furthermore you’ll never get a dime out of my ass. I can give you plenty of the alternative, but you guys are already full of shit with all your bs cases.

    (Remember all you intelligent geeks, nerds, pirates, crackers(Programmers) and ones who take care of the “internet” and networks. As Vlad the Impaler stated to the Turkish king. There is something greater then greed and power. And that is Fear.
    Remember that when shit hits the fan with these assholes. That just want to take our money and destory our lives just for there own profit.)

  • Steven

    Is listening to last.fm illegal? Because if using this program to listen to music tunes (as on a normal radio), CBS or last.fm ARE in serious trouble as the EU privacy laws are very strict in these matters. IP addresses and names can only be divulged in the case of a transgression, not because somebody asks it politely. The RIAA for being in possession of illegaly acquired information. Anyway, start sueing in Strassbourg i would say…

  • PaulWalkHer

    Nice. I just signed up. Are there any demo videos out there yet?

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  • Lykofos

    I used to be a Last.fm member and used the Scrobbler for quite some time. However after CBS via Last.fm gave the middle finger to the rest of the world, I uninstalled the Last.fm Scrobbler and I have not visited Last.fm. Now seeing this bit of information come to light (I missed the first installment of this saga) is getting me a bit hot under the ol’ collar. Yes, I think that is steam coming out of my ears. I should look into seeing what can be done to deal with this issue since I live in the EU and thus I do fall under the various EU data protection statutes.

    Frankly the RIAA, IFPI, and the established corporate “record” industry needs to go die in a fire. The record industry is resembling certain “businesses groups” to the south of me in places like Naples, Calabria, and Sicily.

  • http://intranation.com Bradley Wright

    I don’t understand all the people jumping to “screw you last.fm” conclusions over this. It’s currently unsubstantiated, so why get angry right now? Talk about knee-jerk retarded reactions.

    Personally, I’ll wait for Last.fm to respond and see what they say. I’ll pass no judgement until then, unlike the rest of the children on this blog.

  • Rob

    Agreed.

  • http://www.zatznotfunny.com DaveZatz

    Great post. I want to see more of this and less South Carolina bashing.

    I do feel bad for Katie getting caught up in this – I’ve found her very helpful and kind. She was probably just relaying what she was told by her CBS overlords. :/

  • John Davis

    Sounds to me like someone needs to jack slap the RIAA and the MPAA!

    RT
    http://www.real-anonymity.pro.tc

  • Adam C

    The new eminem isn’t worth the 10 dollars it costs! But good point besides that.

  • secretuser

    libre.fm is what you’re looking for.

  • Tackgnol

    Tbh. I dont see the big problem, if you live outside the US RIAA can your ass so, preace out guys ;]

  • Martin

    Sorry last.fm, but bye-bye!
    Uninstalled and deleted my account.
    Sadly this wasn’t entirely your fault.
    Better luck next time.

  • Patrick

    Lighten up Francis.

  • http://x111.com/web/bye-bye-lastfm/ 13 steps » Bye bye last.fm?

    [...] Read this if you’re using last.fm. This could be the final nail in their coffin (next to charging for the radio). [...]

  • http://meneame.net/story/empresa-cbs-dio-datos-usuarios-last.fm-riaa-ingles meneame.net

    La empresa CBS dio datos de usuarios de Last.fm a la RIAA [Inglés]…

    Según una fuente de Techcrunch, la empresa CBS propietaria de Last.fm pidió a empleados de Last.fm datos de los usuarios para "uso interno". Los datos no les llegaron bien, volvieron a pedir los datos, y esta vez los empleados de Last.fm vi…

  • pbhj

    Isn’t deceptively acquiring and passing on personal information illegal in the USA?

  • pbhj

    On balance I’m inclined to believe because they risk a defamation lawsuit and CBS have lots of money to waste on lawyers. I don’t subscribe to the idea that this is TC picking a fight.

    The request by the CBS spokesperson is kinda a giveaway!

    Nice work.

  • http://www.itrush.com ITrush

    Hmm, thinking of switching to libre.fm too.. wheww!

  • http://urls.seelf.com/readwriteweb.com/techcrunch.com/mashable.com/techmeme.com Slava V

    Even if you somehow get rid of RIAA, some other company will take their place. Like we say in Russia: “Sacred place is never empty”.

    Great article, Michael!

  • Mark

    In the past i have felt very annoyed at michael arrington, for what i consider some badly written, confrontational and poorly researched articles. However, even as a critic i feel compelled to post a message of support to him here. Solid investigative journalism has seen him step in against a large company and stand up for the rights of users, and i greatly appreciate that. Even that lone whisteblower to.
    In the print age it was all about newspapers helping keep government and cooporations to account. Now it seems it is the internets job, and if you read this site techcrunch, it’s own little area, is doing a great job.
    Good work michael arrington.

  • Utopia

    looks like decent site. RIP last.fm

  • Tame

    The only problem with your story is, even the RIAA itself denied it back then : http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2009/02/riaa-denies-rumors-that-lastfm-turned-over-data.ars

  • http://www.riaa.com/reportpiracy.php RIAA dickhead

    It sounds like everyone that made a comment here are accessories to music piracy, therefore we have gone ahead and scraped all your comment data, and extracted everyone’s IP address. (we were able to do this because we’ve installed tracking cookies on music tracks for years – we know who you are, thieves.)

    In the coming weeks you will all be served as we intend to sue each of you for….um…let’s say…$50,000.00 or so. Companies such as Last.fm and CBS are only doing their civic duty, so defaming them could also lead to liable suits. We plan on meeting with Google to obtain everyone’s analytics data in the coming months because we are certain that each of you are running websites that have, at one time or another, either played tracks from our Artists illegally, or had visits from people who have listened to illegal music. Therefore we feel we are entitled to royalty fees….say in the amount of $100,000,000.00

    so pay up dammit.

  • http://www.arteki.com eldris

    Really interesting, and somewhat worrying, read. Things like this make me wonder how often large companies share our data and don’t get caught.

    Thanks for sharing this info with us, and good on your for the legal counsel.

  • riffic

    nope

  • http://mrkunalgupta.com Kunal Gupta

    badass post!

  • SD

    Well, it looks like we finally have a pseudo-response:

    http://twitter.com/metabrew/status/1892316194

    I was (unfairly) pissed off at TC after the first story broke a while back, assuming that they were slamming last.fm with little or no evidence, and trusting last.fm over TC. Mea culpa. This time, I’ll try to wait it out and see how it unfolds before I condemn anyone :)

  • http://geetarchurchy.wordpress.com/2009/05/23/weekly-round-up-23-05-09/ Weekly Round Up 23.05.09 « The Seldom Seen Kid

    [...] trackback It’s all gone a bit crazy over at Techcrunch after Michael Arrington’s blog ran a story questioning whether Last.FM’s parent company CBS had sold user’s data to the RIAA. There is a history to this, and i’ll let you read it [...]

  • http://internetmakingmoney.wordpress.com/2009/05/23/deny-this-last-fm/ Deny This, Last.fm « Internet Making Money

    [...] Source:http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/22/deny-this-lastfm/ [...]

  • http://internetmakingmoney.wordpress.com/2009/05/23/deny-this-last-fm-2/ Deny This, Last.fm « Internet Making Money

    [...] Source:http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/22/deny-this-lastfm/ Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)ScrobblingLast.fm Launches Visual Radio to Entertain Listeners, Woo Advertisers [...]

  • http://swordfishcode.com/2009/05/cbs-proporciono-datos-de-lastfm-a-la-riaa/ CBS proporcionó datos de Last.fm a la RIAA | SwordFishCode

    [...] En esta ocasión TC da continuidad a la noticia y vuelve con otra fuente mucho más confiable, y quien asegura que la RIAA si tiene datos privados de los usuarios de Last.fm aunque estos fueron proporcionados por un intermediario. Aparentemente, la CBS (propietaria de Last.fm) pidió a empleados de Last.fm datos de los usuarios para “uso interno”, sin embargo los datos no llegaron bien, por lo que se volvieron a solicitar y fue entonces cuando Last.fm se percato que en el email original, se expone que los datos serán proporcionados a la RIAA. A pesar de la nueva solicitud, se asegura que los datos de los usuarios ya se encuentran en manos de la RIAA. [...]

  • SD

    What they fail to point out is even if CBS did send user-listening data, it doesn’t mean shit.

    You’re totally missing the point. Why do you think the RIAA wanted this data? Probably to use IP addresses to track down the person who leaked it. With the IP address of the first people who scrobbled it, they could potentially find the person responsible or his/her friends, or someone else who is only 1 or 2 degrees of separation from the leaked source.

    Is the person who leaked it wrong for doing so? Perhaps, but that doesn’t mean that companies have the right to hand out data without a warrant from police, especially in violation of their own privacy policies. There’s a reason that the USA has the 4th amendment, and that the EU has strict data privacy laws. Without them, (among other consequences) many innocent people are going to be negatively affected/harassed by idiots who misuse personal data in an attempt at vigilante enforcement.

    That having been said, I’m all for waiting and seeing last.fm’s response and TC’s response to that, etc..

  • Michael

    It’s the same with all companys that get”bought” by large corporations,no surprise here, see”youtube”…….

  • http://www.gloibin.com Ben Tieni

    Fuck this. I’ve been a last.fm user since 2005, and was an employee of CBS for a short while. Both parties I share sympathy for–No matter what happened internally, it’s all the result of corporate arm flexing carried out by the RIAA, which it has absolutely no right to do. It’s simply inexcusable.

  • badsam

    You’re assuming the IP addresses were among the data sent to the RIAA.

    Again, if they were sent, the scrobbled data doesn’t mean anything because it can be faked. There is no way a court could prove that someone scrobbled Metallica’s new album or in fact just called some junk mp3′s the same name.

    In fact a lot of people rename 30 second mp3s to some other artist just to boost their listening count.

    If anyone gets prosecuted over this i’ll eat my hat. No no, really I will.

  • virginian9000

    CBS just got owned.

  • Jack Meoff

    Most publishing companies are either owned or subdivisions of the record companies. For example Universal’s division is actually called Universal Music Publishing Group.

  • http://bentcorner.com/2009/05/did-lastfm-hand-over-user-information-to-the-riaa/ Did Last.fm hand over user information to the RIAA? | Bent Corner

    [...] TechCrunch: Last.fm didn’t hand user data over to the RIAA. According to our source, it was their parent [...]

  • http://makingmo257.publr.com/ MakinMo’s Tech Blog

    [...] with a RIAA request but told Last.fm the data was going to be used for internal use only.Source:http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/22/deny-this-lastfm/ May [...]

  • unknown

    great article! this is the type of stuff TC should be about all the time.

  • http://getstimulustoday.com Matches Malone

    Impressive bit of journalism here. Will be interesting to see if there’s any further fallout from this….

  • SD

    I think you’re once again missing the point. It’s not about whether or not the IP addresses can prove in court that someone was downloading the album. This is not about prosecuting people for listening to the leaked U2 album.

    It’s about the RIAA wanting to know who leaked it, and being able to use the data as a clue. Looking at the first 100 (or 1,000) people who scrobbled the album might give them clues as to who leaked it. If the record label found, for instance, that most of the initial scrobbles began in Witchita, KS, they might assume that’s where the leak originated. If they only gave out one promo copy there, they instantly have a suspect and can focus their investigative efforts there.

    This is just one example of how data leaked like this can indirectly cause harm to others, even if the actual leaked data proves nothing.

    Sure, the RIAA would have to weed out all the people who fake-scrobbled it, but that is trivial if you know anything about data mining.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Craig_Agranoff/1015971924 Craig Agranoff

    I would never at http://www.worstpizza.com share anyones information with any place that requests it! Your pizza secrets are safe with me

  • Alex

    “We’d like to provide you with legal counsel at our cost.”

    I like seeing this. Very nicely done TechCrunch.

  • http://www.digitalzaar.com digitalzaar

    FYI: If a company violates it’s user privacy policy it is legally actionable.

    Generally speaking, in the eyes of the court internet companies are granted deference to handle user data as they see fit. This is why Google is free to sell aggregated data to 3rd parties. However, to protect users rights a company must stay within the realms of its own given policies. If it doesn’t — as is apparently the case here — then the users that had their rights violated can bring an action against the site.

  • antonie

    Last.fm just deleted from my Mac…
    Shame, was a great service.

  • Ken

    Right, because blackmail is SO much better than Whistle Blowing?

  • http://www.boozemonkey.com Matt

    Excellent journalism!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John_McLaughlin/502894985 John McLaughlin

    Fantastic story.

    Last.fm account deleted!

  • Scott

    Go Michael! This is tremendous reporting and I applaud the balls it takes to tackle this sort of issue. +1 it’s not twitter related :-)

    Keep this sort of thing up. It’s tremendous reporting!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Martin_Kelley/580377200 Martin Kelley

    Last.fm unsusbcribe. Not worth this. Thanks for airing this Michael!

  • http://blog.redfin.com Glenn Kelman

    Great article, and this from someone who is sympathetic to the labels’ efforts to get money for themselves and the artists they have under contract.

    I was glad to see you offer to pay the legal costs of the terminated CBS employee. You can’t be responsible for the termination; the offer is very generous.

  • K One

    seconded. I would not trust some sham-wow website … (sorry, no offense to the dev team)

  • http://futuremusic.tumblr.com/ Bas

    Wow, Last.fm is being driven into the ground HARD by the media industry. The creators of last.fm must be in pain as they see their child get sacrificed in the name of holding back progress to profit more!

    Stupid!

  • K One

    I have a good mind to create tracks of me rambling and copy the metadata from the U2 album and “listen” to it (muted, of course. Even I cannot stand my ramblings) all day and all night on iTunes so that last.fm can scrobble it. and oh, ex-valley, ditto to you!

  • http://futuremusic.tumblr.com/ Bas

    True. Set up a campaign.

  • K One

    Ditto Chris Wallace!

  • http://justjennifer.wordpress.com/ wysiwygjt

    Between the offensive move to charge listeners outside the US, UK and Germany and this, it’s just another nail in the last.fm coffin, as far as I’m concerned.

  • http://thebusinesstipster.com/2009/05/23/techcrunch-vs-lastfm-vs-the-riaa-round-2/ TechCrunch vs. Last.fm vs. the RIAA, Round 2 | money news blog

    [...] panic a while back about social music site Last.FM supposedly leaking listener data to the RIAA? TechCrunch sure does, because they started the rumor, and then faced accusations of shoddy reporting from basically the [...]

  • http://forteller.net/ børge

    Better yet: Switch to the free/open source Libre.fm ( http://libre.fm ). It can import all your data from Last.fm!

  • Azer

    What record company monopoly ? There are hundreds if not thousands of record companies

  • http://www.mashuparts.com Shaun MacDonald

    Treacherous Story … Villains and Demons.

    When a big media company shits the bed and the stink scares away the the loyal customers at the bar, the calls for a hanging will soon follow.

    The musicians at the bar, and i am sure there were a few, know well that their own RIAA cannot sacrifice everyone’s privacy to wage its war. The musicians and labels must rein in the RIAA, and help it to restore its image as a positive force in the room.

    Well done Michael. You deserve a round on the house.

  • http://spacerdotgif.com/social_networking/lastfm_handover_data_riaa Did Last.fm handover data to RIAA? | spacerdotgif

    [...] user listening data, usernames and IP address to the RIAA. TechCrunch challenges Last.fm to Deny This after Last.fm says “TechCrunch are full of [...]

  • riffic

    what i’m looking for is the original audioscrobbler technology/site from 2004, spun off as an open source project. libre.fm might aspire to recreate this, but it isn’t it (yet).

  • Anatoly

    As a show of thanks, I recommend that every last.fm user shake Arrington’s hand.

  • http://friendfeed.com/chriskennedy Chris Kennedy

    Rule #1: Always protect customer trust. Rule #2: Follow the rules. Rule #3: Repeat Rules #1 and #2. If the "media is the message", what is Last.fm’s message as a media to its customers now?

  • billy342

    I have a quick question about this:

    My understanding from the article is that last.fm gave the RIAA user information in February (only once). Did they give the RIAA permission to continually look at accounts?

    If they only gave the data out once, don’t they already have all the information so won’t people who have shut down their accounts still be fucked?

    If this is the case, what would be the point of shutting down one’s last.fm account

  • http://samkwas.wordpress.com/2009/05/23/last-fm-pozegnania-nadszedl-czas/ Last.fm – pożegnania nadszedł czas « Sam kwas

    [...] użytkowników organizacji “chroniacej prawa autorskie” – RIAA. Nawiązując do źródła: Here’s what we believe happened: CBS requested user data from Last.fm, including user name and [...]

  • http://friendfeed.com/travispuk Travis Koger

    Goodbye Last.fm. My account now deleted.

  • http://samryan.co.uk Samuel Ryan

    I’m not uninstalling, I’m going to continue using last.fm, this wasn’t their choice, they had no say in the matter.

  • thefonz

    it looks pretty good, I think http://www.jamwee.com might be useful too; especially if it has an audio player.

  • http://www.polkarobot.de/2009/05/23/lesezeichen-vom-23-05-2009/ Lesezeichen vom 23-05-2009 | PolkaRobot

    [...] Deny This, Last.fm "Here’s what we believe happened: CBS requested user data from Last.fm, including user name and IP address. CBS wanted the data to comply with a RIAA request but told Last.fm the data was going to be used for “internal use only.” It was only after the data was sent to CBS that Last.fm discovered the real reason for the request. Last.fm staffers were outraged, say our sources, but the data had already been sent to the RIAA." (Tags: via:mento.info internet radio music riaa polkarobot) [...]

  • EH

    this may be the first time i’ve looked at a website propounded by a commenter. looks like an interesting project. and no, i’m not a shill commenter.

  • http://www.itstheroi.com jonah stein

    Vasco Duarte,

    Clearly, you haven’t been paying attention to the legacy of George Bush and Dick Chaney. Laws only have consequences when someone enforces them. I only wish I had a last.fm account so I could join the class action suit against CBS. I see deep pockets and clear violation…

  • steve

    mike, amazing reporting! for those who scanned the story, make sure you read it again, closely. especially the email and these parts:

    …we are in the analytics business and it’s not like this is the first time we’ve provided this data to a third party. Someone over there should be more forthright with users about the data policy…

    somebody at last.fm owes their users and TC a huge apology.

  • Jay

    Nice Stripes reference. :)

  • http://www.frankps.net/?p=1229 How to dig your own grave – frankps

    [...] has a very interesting read today: Deny This, Last.fm. Not that I would have anything to hide, and I have already stopped using the Last.fm service. And [...]

  • http://blog.peio.org/?p=4112 Last.fm дава данни на RIAA | трънки и блогинки

    [...] RIAA събира две и две. Питат last.fm и те (почти) доброволно дават данни. Извод: аз и ти сме рядко [...]

  • http://netzwertig.com/2009/05/23/datenskandal-oder-doch-nicht-neue-anschuldigungen-gegen-lastfm/ Datenskandal oder doch nicht: Neue Anschuldigungen gegen Last.fm » netzwertig.com

    [...] diese im Februar von TechCrunch erhobenen Anschuldigungen erhalten jetzt neue Nahrung: In einem aktuellen Artikel beschreibt Tech-Blogger Michael Arrington den Hergang der Geschichte, wie es zu den Vorwürfen [...]

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Josh_Kopelman/610035 Josh Kopelman

    Great story Mike.

    it’s nice to see you guys do such investigative journalism. Congratulations!

    Josh

  • Jeff Kramer

    Uh, you’re missing the point about Last.FM trying to cover it up and publicly bashing TC — when they knew DAMN WELL they gave the info to the RIAA through CBS.

  • http://HearWhere.com pedalpete

    I’m surprised that everybody here is so upset with Last.FM for selling personal data, and yet Spotify announced last week that they would be doing the same, and it seemed to go unnoticed.

    True, last.fm has more data, and spotify does not look at your locally played tracks like scrobbler.

    I would have suspected that any company selling personally identified data like this would be subject to the same level of disgust.

    I think it is wrong for last.fm/CBS to be handing over this information.

  • blast fm

    A lot of confused Last.fm members on their own forum:

    http://www.last.fm/forum/21717/_/535934

    As one member pointed out, Last.fm management should come out with a statement even if this is a long holiday weekend, because this is such serious matter that it could determine the life and death of Last.fm as a service (and a terrific one at that, as I used it frequently, in past tense, however).

  • Jeff Kramer

    Re-read the article Ben. You obviously didn’t the first time. Idiot.

  • http://friendfeed.com/silpol A.T.

    my account cleaned and deleted – moved to libre.fm … so far so good

  • http://dagobart.wordpress.com/ dagobart

    I wonder whether it’d be possible to DDoS last.fm usage data, like “scrobbling” just tons of track data without actually listening to these tracks nor even _have_ them at all.

    Just to make sure to obfuscate which tracks you really have and which not.

  • http://www.hookerspit.com florian

    so would any of that info be usable in court by the RIAA.

  • Laurence

    So let me get this straight -

    File-Sharers are getting busted because CBS is selling last.fm’s user data to the RIAA?

  • http://lolzomfgbbq.com/?p=314 LOLZOMFGBBQ » Deny This, Last.fm

    [...] via Deny This, Last.fm . [...]

  • http://www.eddiemonge.com Eddie Monge

    That’s funny, considering Arrington’s stance on shaking hands.

  • http://friendfeed.com/altrenda Al Trenda

    where do you get "that the data could possibly be used in civil and criminal actions against those users." for people that use the service? Your source? Last.fm, or did you just make it up?

  • http://techvideoblog.com Charbax

    I’ve been saying for years, Last.fm and this type of usage statistics system SHOULD be controlled by the Governments and not by private companies like CBS.

    I don’t blame the Last.fm founders from cashing out on the buy by CBS, though the EU or some other Governmental entity should implement such unlimited culture tax and then base the redistribution of the subscription money directly to the most popular and liked active artists.

  • CubicleGangsta

    LOLz!

    no wait… QQ

    / sigh.

  • anon58994

    1. “We’d like to provide you with legal counsel at our cost.” Awesome, Mike, awesome. Go Techrunch.

    2. Just closed my Last.fm account.

    3. So nice to read a post by Mike and also not about freaking Twitter.

  • Peter

    I had started using http://lala.com but now I’ll definitely switch entirely to it and forget last.fm. I’ll also turn off scrobbling from lala to last.fm. I wonder if lala could scrobble to libre.fm instead?

  • http://friendfeed.com/silpol A.T.

    @altrenda but they could … y’know, *corpus delicti* and stuff like that

  • TBNolan

    Most are imprints of the “big four” though. Especially the ones the RIAA are representing.

  • Andy

    You know you’re a tech nerd when MA leaves you on the edge of your seat early Saturday morning screaming “YEAH CBS TAKE THAT BIG LEGAL D*CK YOU LYING EVIL CORP @$$H0L35″ at your otherwise tame computer.

    btw everybody
    Chrome 2.0 smokes.

  • http://www.ferodynamics.com/ Ferodynamics

    This won’t stop me from using Last.fm because I don’t listen to mainstream music, I don’t use P2P networks and I’m not a pirate.

    Yes, it’s terrible businesses exchange user data behind our back, but you knew that was inevitable when you signed up, regardless of any privacy policy.

    Information wants to be free. Music or user data, no difference.

  • http://www.ferodynamics.com/ Ferodynamics

    This is what I don’t get: Why does the RIAA care about Last.fm?

    The RIAA says, “LOL, 123.123.123.123 listens to Xyz band and we know his username is Metalhead666, and we saw that same IP downloading Xyz band from one of our undercover P2P nodes, let’s connect the dots and do what exactly?”

    Last.fm users are not pirates, they’re listening to Internet radio which is not only legal but IMO more satisfying and less time consuming.

  • nolihc

    hello http://libre.fm ! deleting paid account…

  • http://silpol.blogspot.com A.T.

    their wiki is here http://ideas.libre.fm/index.php/Main_Page and in particular you can take your music history with you http://ideas.libre.fm/index.php/Using_lastscrape — the future is open…

  • classic

    epic fail

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chinmoy_Kanjilal/523309163 Chinmoy Kanjilal

    that is an unwelcome move from last.fm .

  • Steven Marlin

    Heh… since you don’t use ANY of the last.fm’s useful features, WTF are you using it at all?

    Your post seems like a marketing/PR bullsh*t post! You wouldn’t happen to be working for them, would you?

    Personally, I deleted my account yesterday after I read this.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John_Jones/36915531 John Jones

    this actually is very simple

    Last.fm didn’t have a internal UK based lawyer

    they need one

    american lawyers in my experience think that U.S. law applies it does NOT

    shipping user data without anonymisation across to the parent company is in this case illegal full stop

    punkt

    end of story

    they broke the law

    not only that last.fm should be really really angry
    (for a couple of reasons)

    CBS encouraged them to do away with the pro accounts
    (and here they are saying they dont earn any money from them)

    CBS just created HUGE publicity in a small segment of users that WILL simply not trust them and seek other services.

    CBS dont seem to have the intelligence to understand the data that last.fm generates for them they need to get that clear and how valuable this property is for them and how easily they can destroy it.

    well done techcrunch for actually investigating

    regards

    John Jones

  • http://portal.lacaterinca.com/techcrunch-vs-lastfm-vs-the-riaa-round-2/ TechCrunch vs. Last.fm vs. the RIAA, Round 2 | Techno Portal

    [...] panic a while back about social music site Last.FM supposedly leaking listener data to the RIAA? TechCrunch sure does, because they started the rumor, and then faced accusations of shoddy reporting from basically the [...]

  • blast fm

    Last.fm offers a software called “Scrobbler”. This is the link to the download page:

    http://www.last.fm/download

    Last.fm describes what Scrobbler does very clearly, and I will let you decide the significance of using that software, which I understand a lot of Last.fm users have downloaded.

    The answer to your question: this would be a non-story if Last.fm transmitted its members’ data to, say, a dog food company for research on how to better sell its products to dog lovers on Last.fm. Let me give you a hint: RIAA does not sell dog food.

  • http://www.karamell.net/2009/05/23/dagbok-for-23-may-2009/ Dagbok för 23 May 2009 | En sur karamell

    [...] Deny This, Last.fm — 05:21 via Google [...]

  • FeO3

    I use Last.FM quite a bit. I’ve even used the feature of uploading the titles from my iTunes library and play history. Other than basic annoyance that Last.FM and/or CBS shipped my data off, I don’t specifically see the personal liability that this incurred.

    It’s not like tools like iTunes, WinAmp, etc. can really indicate that the playlist you have is of either legitimate or pirated origin. In my case, I have over 15K songs stored on my NAS. Each one of these songs are from rips of CDs that I’ve bought over the years.

    Having no proof of provenance of uploaded music data means that such data would be dubiously actionable. True, the RIAA could go on a fishing expedition and send out the “pay us $3500″ letters to each Last.FM user, but doing so would prove fruitless against people such as myself. I can prove my rights to my list of imported songs. As much bad PR as the RIAA already gets for suing single mothers and dead grandmothers that may have actually had piracy occur through their home PCs, attempting to sue people that are provably innocent could put the whole process in danger. Courts don’t particularly like their resources being tied up for legal actions initiated with no basis.

    So, “whatever”.

  • http://www.ferodynamics.com/ Ferodynamics

    I don’t work for CBS or Last.fm.

    I’ll tell you this, my BBS was sharing the tracks of independent musicians before the Sound Blaster came out.

    I could care less if Last.fm shares my information, what is the big secret?

    So much hate for the RIAA because you want to download some embarrassing band you’ll forget about five years from now. Grow up. If you love music so much, go start a band and burn your own CDs, then you’ll be really cool.

  • logovo

    Don’t need this kind of crap from CBS, so have deleted Last.fm account after 2 years of use.

  • http://alexwilhelm.com Alex Wilhelm

    Or loudly, your call you know.

  • http://blog.zog.org/2009/05/delicious-op-23-mei-2009.html Del.icio.us op 23 mei 2009 | Michel Vuijlsteke’s weblog

    [...] – Deny This, Last.fm We believe Last.fm and CBS violated their own privacy policy in the transmission of this data. We [...]

  • Chris

    Except nobody other than TechCrunch seems to think this happened. The story’s based on something from an anonymous source who allegedly works for Last.fm, yet nobody at Last.fm knows anything about this information being made available to *anybody*, RIAA or not.

    http://www.last.fm/forum/21717/_/535934/_/9521312

  • http://sechero.com/deny-this-lastfm/ Deny This, Last.fm | Security Hero

    [...] Source – TechCrunch [...]

  • Jimbo Jones

    Found this on the last.fm boards. It’s not an anonymous post so most of the people reading TC here won’t believe it.

    http://www.last.fm/forum/21717/_/535934/5#f9521312

  • http://digitalspaghetti.me.uk tane

    A fifth column in the Music Industry?

  • Steven Marlin

    So what do you use your Last.fm account for? It seems that you use for nothing useful.

  • robin

    another badass article thumbs-up support note.

    i.o.w. top-shelf journalism: deep research, personal trust, determination. that cold beer you enjoyed last night? well earned.

    and also please please please follow up on the link someone posted above to ars technica:

    http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2009/02/riaa-denies-rumors-that-lastfm-turned-over-data.ars

    as it catches the r.i.a.a. in an out and out lie:

    “The RIAA has finally chimed in as well, categorically denying that any such request was ever made. “[We're] not sure where that rumor came from,” RIAA spokesperson Cara Duckworth told Ars on Saturday. “It’s not true.”"

    thank you michael.

  • http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/23/another-blanket-denial-by-lastfm/ Another Blanket Denial By Last.fm

    [...] Garrett, a Last.fm developer, issues another blanket denial (without denying anything) of the Last.fm user data fiasco: Nothing I can say will convince you that this didn’t happen, because allegedly CBS did the [...]

  • http://tradejim.com/another-blanket-denial-by-lastfm/ Trade Jim News » Another Blanket Denial By Last.fm

    [...] we asked for a denial, and they’re giving us one. Russ Garrett, a Last.fm developer, issues another blanket denial [...]

  • http://techdozer.com/another-blanket-denial-by-lastfm/ TechDozer » Another Blanket Denial By Last.fm

    [...] we asked for a denial, and they’re giving us one. Russ Garrett, a Last.fm developer, issues another blanket denial [...]

  • http://techdozer.com/another-blanket-denial-by-lastfm/ TechDozer » Another Blanket Denial By Last.fm

    [...] we asked for a denial, and they’re giving us one. Russ Garrett, a Last.fm developer, issues another blanket denial [...]

  • http://identi.ca/notice/4514524 bananabob’s status on Saturday, 23-May-09 23:36:01 UTC – Identi.ca

    [...] This, Last.fm http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/22/deny-this-lastfm/ – Now is a good time to switch to !librefm – Glad I [...]

  • http://blog.viningmedia.nl/2009/05/another-blanket-denial-by-lastfm/ Another Blanket Denial By Last.fm | Viningmedia Nieuws

    [...] we asked for a denial, and they’re giving us one. Russ Garrett, a Last.fm developer, issues another blanket denial [...]

  • Zeta

    Have you guys been following the Last.fm thread on this? A lot of the lemming users over there are *still* gleefully piling on the denial and attacks on TechCrunch. Idiots.

    What’s more plausible here: Last.fm/CBS/RIAA want user information so they can extort money (never done that before, have they?)… or Tech Crunch is essentially libeling for the fun of it. Follow the money and the incentive, folks.

    By the way, wouldn’t it be grand if some of these Last.fm loyalists got some RIAA letters in the mail themselves? I wonder if they’ll still be denying this story then. It wouldn’t surprise me.

  • http://thegoodnetguide.com/05/another-blanket-denial-by-lastfm/ Another Blanket Denial By Last.fm | The Good NET Guide

    [...] we asked for a denial, and they’re giving us one. Russ Garrett, a Last.fm developer, issues another blanket denial [...]

  • http://tumbleworks.net/tumbletech/?p=245 TumbleTech » Another Blanket Denial By Last.fm

    [...] we asked for a denial, and they’re giving us one. Russ Garrett, a Last.fm developer, issues another blanket denial [...]

  • http://www.emediaone.net/?p=307 Another Blanket Denial By Last.fm

    [...] we asked for a denial, and they’re giving us one. Russ Garrett, a Last.fm developer, issues another blanket denial [...]

  • pit

    well done. please continue.

  • Dana

    Richard Jones sounds like a real class act

  • Sprezzatura

    Those of us who have legit music libraries have nothing to worry about.

    I love last.fm and will continue to use it.

  • http://www.thefaredge.com/?p=4170 The Far Edge » Blog Archive » Another Blanket Denial By Last.fm

    [...] we asked for a denial, and they’re giving us one. Russ Garrett, a Last.fm developer, issues another blanket denial of [...]

  • http://nuTsie.com Dave Dederer

    Hmmm…

    Seems like the time is about right to go nuTsie.com if you’ve been a last.fm user.

    I’m an actual musician. A Grammy-nominated, multi-platinum-selling musician. With genuine smart people doing the hard work and heavy lifting, I’ve helped build and nurture nuTsie.com over the last two years into the best darn music product on web or mobile.

    And we ain’t ever sending your info to the RIAA, you can be damn sure of that.

  • http://anotherlifeform.wordpress.com/2009/05/24/last-fm-de-novo/ last.fm, de novo « Um Físico em um mundo fraturado

    [...] dar os dados para a CBS acabariam fazendo eles caírem nas mãos da RIAA. O post original está no techcrunch. E parece que esta história estava rolando já há algum tempo, com o pessoal do last.fm xingando [...]

  • http://www.varunmathur.net Varun Mathur

    Hats off to you Michael Arrington for doing the right thing. The merits of the argument could be whatever, but your sense of being righteous / fair and yet having the ability to rip a new one where justified is awesome. You rock!

    “And to the CBS employee who was fired and threatened based on this story – we believe certain U.S. Whistle Blower laws may protect you from retaliation from CBS in this matter. We’d like to provide you with legal counsel at our cost.”

    Golden words..

  • http://identi.ca/notice/4521522 kondziu’s status on Sunday, 24-May-09 06:46:06 UTC – Identi.ca

    [...] if you use last.fm there’s this http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/22/deny-this-lastfm/ [...]

  • http://rinso.mine.nu/blag/life/the-last-fm The last fm « warning: may contain nuts

    [...] left last.fm, the recent state of tomfoolery has proved too much for my gag reflex to [...]

  • http://www.csommer.de/lastfm-riaa-cbs/ Last.fm übergibt Daten an die RIAA? – » Blog Archiv

    [...] meiner heutigen Feedlese bin ich über ein Posting von Techcrunch gestolpert. Wie schon im Februar geht es mal wieder um das Thema Userdaten, Last.fm, CBS und die [...]

  • http://www.fabriziosinopoli.it/2009/05/24/it-news-30/ IT News #30 | FABblog

    [...] Secondo TechCrunch, last.fm fornisce dati alla RIAA Condividi: [...]

  • http://sambarillaro.com/yesterdayshero/2009/05/24/week-in-review-1/ Week in review #1 | yesterdayshero

    [...] giving out user information (including IP addresses) to the RIAA. Is your information safe? – Deny This, Last.fm & Another Blanket Denial By [...]

  • David Reynolds

    “No fair, you posted this over Memorial Day weekend so we can’t respond (even though you repeatedly tried to contact is and we told you to eff off)!”

    Translation: We are self-evidently responding. But we can’t give a good weasel-worded half-truth response to the press until we get our lawyers to vet it, and lawyers are far more ridiculously expensive on weekends.

  • Neil

    Well yeah, but who cares if some record label is going to use our data to sell more records? Fero’s point is there’s nothing they can do with the data that’s actually harmful.

  • Paul

    … Well, Washington *IS* a denial machine, working 24/7 – You can actually feel the hot fumes it produces when you get closer to the city… and no wonder, the city has the highest concentration in the world of slimy snakes – err… meaning politicians and lawyers.

  • http://www.bottlecapdev.com/blog/?p=248 The Future of Online Music « Bottlecap Blog

    [...] is this blog coming from? I have been reading how Tech Crunch is in a vicious online battle with Last [...]

  • http://elliottback.com/wp/lastfm-the-riaa-and-techcrunch/ Last.FM, the RIAA, and TechCrunch — Elliott C. Back

    [...] their claim that Last.FM gave CBS user data which was passed onto the RIAA lie. In a post called Deny This, Last FM, they claim that: CBS requested user data from Last.fm, including user name and IP address. CBS [...]

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Federico_Pistono/634957080 Federico Pistono

    The story sounds very suspicious. Last.fm is not doing so well, first they force for non-US/UK/Germany users to pay if the want to keep streaming music radio, then this situation.

    It’s either a coincidence, or it looks like last.fm is going to be abandoned by its users.

  • http://friendfeed.com/stanjourdan Stanislas Jourdan

    I feel deceived, but i like lastfm a lot. I’m gonna give them another chance.

  • http://www.rev2.org/2009/05/24/techcrunch-lastfm-and-cbs-at-it-again/ TechCrunch, Last.fm, and CBS At It (Again) | Rev2.org

    [...] evening, TechCrunch published a follow up titled Deny This, Last.fm in which Michael Arrington claims that another source inside Last.fm has confirmed the handoff of [...]

  • http://www.BitsAndBuzz.com Jeremy Chone

    I only hope that not too many people will loose their job during this crusade for truth. Bad time to loose job this day.

  • http://foosel.org/personal About me [foosel.(net|org)]

    [...] Deleted after I learned about that data giveaway party for the RIAA of them. So long last.fm, it was fun while it [...]

  • http://startupearth.com/2009/05/24/lastfm-accuses-techcrunch-of-slander-over-riaa-leak-allegations/ Startup Earth :: Last.FM Accuses Techcrunch of Slander Over RIAA Leak Allegations

    [...] an article titled “Deny This, Last.fm“, Arrington claims that during an email exchange with a CBS employee, it was revealed that [...]

  • http://friendfeed.com/bradgoetsch Bradley Goetsch

    I really want to like last.fm but when the parent company (CBS) pulls underhanded moves like this it show me that innovation and creativity are still stifled by the man. I wonder what Pandora’s lookin’ like lately?

  • http://friendfeed.com/weedmonk Adi

    I agree Andy. RIAA taking people to court for reporting âcopyright infringingâ metadata to Last.fm seemed implausible. Now that it’s being laughed off they’re spinning it to make themselves look like Woodward and Bernstein.

  • http://friendfeed.com/troubledwine Adam Turetzky

    I’ve let the Last.fm application fingerprint all of the MP3 files in my iTunes library giving them a unique ID for each file which Last.fm keeps. This is a setting in the Last.fm application shown here http://www.quicksnapper.com/turkchgo/image/fingerprinting perhaps some of the MP3′s in my collection, now fingerprinted as my unique files, haven’t been sold as a CD in 20 years and/or have never been sold digitally. Last.fm said they would keep this information private when I signed up.

  • http://akephalos.de/?p=1652 RIAA, CBS, last.fm: severe fuck-up – akephalos

    [...] techcrunch [...]

  • Jimmy

    One fear is that should the RIAA use this information to start suing people, innocent people may be accused and have to spend on lawyers to clear their names, or that a casual filesharer will be hit for big bucks for sharing a few songs.

  • http://www.instantidiocy.com/2009/05/24/lastfm%e2%80%99s-user-data-is-useless-to-the-riaa/ Last.fm’s User Data is Useless to the RIAA | InstantIdiocy

    [...] their most recent writeup TechCrunch published new details which were provided by another source, and in the article they [...]

  • http://www.seit1986.com/2009/05/24/links-for-2009-05-24/ links for 2009-05-24 – seit1986

    [...] Deny This, Last.fm [...]

  • http://www.yerimdeolsan.net Yerimde Olsan

    last.fm rocks yeah

  • http://yrrsinn.de/2009/05/24/nutzerdaten-von-lastfm-an-riaa-weitergegben/ Nutzerdaten von Last.fm an RIAA weitergegben – Brunos Netzplatz

    [...] einem aktuellen Artikel auf TechCrunch wird dokumentiert wie Benutzerdaten von Last.fm an die RIAA gegangen sind. Die Geschichte nahm [...]

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bojan_Stojanovic/1150464204 Bojan Stojanovic

    last.fm has screwed up majorly …

  • http://ckunte.com/archives/scrobbled-music-value The value of scrobbled music and how it could hurt online music buyers | ckunte.com

    [...] Torrent Freak’s weekend post is interesting to read. After all, it’s titled “Last.fm’s User Data is Useless to the RIAA,” and I had just deleted my Last.fm account yesterday after TechCrunch broke the news. [...]

  • http://sargasso.nl/archief/2009/05/25/lastfm-gaf-toch-gebruikersdata-aan-riaa/ Last.fm gaf toch gebruikersdata aan RIAA – Sargasso

    [...] homos, arabieren,… Last.fm gaf toch gebruikersdata aan RIAA25-05-2009 om 00:02 door Carlos “Nieuw bewijs dat Last.fm gebruikersdata overhandigde aan RIAA” auteursrechten, Last.fm, Privacy, RIAA, Waan v/d Dag Terug naar het [...]

  • http://bananasfk.wordpress.com/2009/05/25/cbs-and-the-riaa-trying-to-kill-last-fm/ cbs and the riaa trying to kill last.fm « Bananas in the Falklands

    [...] story is here, the moral is don’t run microsoft windows, or trust americans (even if you are an non [...]

  • http://www.ablestmage.com A Different Mike

    I don’t see what all the fuss is. So what if the RIAA gets ahold of a list of music that I listen to? It’s not a list of “what files were transferred” in any way, but what music “was played”.

    The only charge the RIAA has been able to press is the distribution (outgoing) aspect, not the listening-to or downloading-of pirated music. It is only illegal to send out copies, not listen to, nor receive.

    The Last.fm data, to my knowledge, only documents the “listened to” aspect. Even still, you could just as easily rename a file and change its ID4 tags to show up as jibberish, if you wanted.

    Am I wrong?

  • D.B. Cooper

    The thing that bothers me the most, apart from someone recording and forwarding my IP address, is the part of the last.fm privacy policy that tells us that last.fm’s software will search my computer for all my music files – whether I’m online or not – and upload the information to last.fm. This is much different than my uploading the information to get better music plays from their service….

  • fudgey joe

    It’s only been open a month or so. Give it time.

  • Fudgey Joe

    There was a shitty redesign mid last year based around advertising space and generating page impressions. Downward spiral since then.

  • Thing

    Audioscrobbler is opensource.

  • http://andyontheroad.wordpress.com/2009/05/24/quick-update-say-last-fm-did-in-fact-give-up-users-to-the-riaa-but-they-didnt-want-to/ Quick update: /. says Last.fm did in fact give up users to the RIAA (but they didn’t want to) « Andy on the Road

    [...] story in February, now has released another story claiming additional sources have confirmed that Last.fm data was leaked to the RIAA, by way of parent company CBS: Here’s what we believe happened: CBS requested user data from Last.fm, including user name and [...]

  • http://sixx.se/bits/2009/05/25/stenbeck-kommenterar-4/ Stenbeck kommenterar | Stenbecks Bits & Pieces

    [...] Deny This, Last.fm [...]

  • http://www.bueno.cm Ted

    I agree there is no way to stop the movement and they just dont get it the attorneys are the ones going all the way to the bank.
    I am going to http://www.bueno.com

  • http://avoinkampus.joensuu.fi/ranta/2009/05/25/lastfm-ei-vuotanut-tietoja-riaalle/ Last.fm ei vuotanut tietoja RIAA:lle? : Viimeisellä Rannalla

    [...] TechCrunch-sivusto on julkaissut tietoja, jonka mukaan Last.fm:n emoyhtiö CBS olisi välittänyt käyttäjien tietoja RIAA -tekijänoikeusjärjestölle. Last.fm kiistää asian jyrkästi ja myös CBS on palvelun mukaan julkaisemassa tiedonantoa asiasta. [...]

  • http://www.felixschupp.de/?p=211 So what about last.fm and the data given to the RIAA? :: Felix Schupp

    [...] before the weekend techcrunch had an interesting post about the earlier issue of CBS/last.fm handing data over to the RIAA. Not only is the handling of [...]

  • http://blog.dokimasia.org/index.php/2009/05/25/lastfm-and-the-riaa/ Last.fm and the RIAA? | .in medias res.

    [...] was kind of hard to know who was telling the truth. Yesterday, I received a link from a friend to a new article which now claims to know a bit more about what actually [...]

  • hanen

    why do you keep bashing last.fm?
    ppl are so ignorant, what do some id3 tags proof? i could make last.fm think i listened to whatever i want!! i would provide riaa myself with such data!

  • http://techgeist.net/2009/05/10-must-read-news-stories-from-the-past-week/ 10 Things That Happened Last Week | Techgeist

    [...] get into when given a controversial topic like the revealing of personal data to the RIAA. See the first and second article by Techcrunch. I also suggest reading TorrentFreak’s view of the [...]

  • http://dailypundit.com/?p=34984 Daily Pundit » RIAA Stoolies

    [...] now they’re on my blacklist: A couple of months ago Erick Schonfeld wrote a post titled “Did Last.fm Just Hand Over User [...]

  • ghunda

    Wow, this is like the opposite of good journalism, though I’ve never heard you to proclaim yourself as one so I may be off the mark here.

  • http://remixtures.com/2009/05/techcrunch-acusa-cbs-de-ter-entrege-dados-dos-utilizadores-da-lastfm-a-riaa/ TechCrunch acusa CBS de ter entrege dados dos utilizadores da Last.fm à RIAA | Remixtures

    [...] sexta-feira passada, o TechCrunch resolveu retomar o assunto num novo artigo onde citando uma nova fonte confidencial explica que não foi a Last.fm que entregou os dados dos [...]

  • http://thesteamingpipe.com/?p=1600 Last.fm User Data Sent to RIAA. Delete! Scurry! | The Steaming Pipe

    [...] Last.fm User Data Sent to RIAA. Delete! Scurry! Posted by Pipeline We Read This So You Won’t Have To on May 25, 2009 in 2 Quarters, Uncategorized, We Read This So You Won’t Have To • No comments [...]

  • http://weblogs3.nrc.nl/klaver/2009/05/26/luisterdata-lastfm-doorgespeeld-aan-riaa/ Marie-Jose Klaver » ‘Luisterdata Last.fm doorgespeeld aan RIAA’

    [...] of leden van Last.fm zich aan het afspelen van illegaal gedownloade muziek schuldig maken. Dat beweert technologieweblog TechCrunch. Last.fm ontkent de [...]

  • http://video.ajichat.com AjiChat

    I use lastfm alot.

    and its a really cool concept they have with music

    but i honestly feel really betrayed, my rights on the internet are waved away when the riaa see fit. thats *****.
    i am too
    by : tsp00n

  • http://www.irisassociates.com/2009/05/iris-is-scrobbling/ Iris is scrobbling… : Iris Associates Ltd.

    [...] most influential people of 2008 and owner of TechCrunch Michael Arrington fired back with another unsubstantiated post on the topic, this time with [...]

  • http://www.supafeed.com/2009-05-26-lastfm-rejects-claim-of-illegal-behaviour.html Last.fm rejects claim of illegal behaviour | SupaFeed

    [...] latest accusations, published late on Friday, are a tweaked version of claims made in February that Last.fm user data [...]

  • Bob Bobbington

    Good work CBS!

    Screw this.

  • Bruno Leicht

    Great article, although I wonder how much it can do to make these media giants account for their action. My father, who was a famous (in Germany) transvestite performer named Koko LePuffe was hounded in to misery by the magazine Der Spiegel many years ago. My family still has never heard even a apology.

    Still, very good reporting, thanks

    Bruno Leicht

  • http://gnulinuxarea.wordpress.com/2009/05/26/lastfm-cbs-riia-pure-shit/ lastfm + cbs + riia = pure shit « GNU/Linux Area

    [...] lastfm + cbs + riia = pure shit Maggio 26, 2009 Here’s how this people treat users [...]

  • http://blog.theottermanempire.com hal tse

    This is hardly appropriate use of tax payer money or a legitimate function of government to protect a play list that you voluntarily shared from being used in the first place.

    I’m sorry I don’t wish to advance you a single euro to keep the digital detritus you shared “safe” and I’m curious as to why you think your listening habits are so special as to require the power of the state to back them up with violence.

  • http://www.ocell.net/blog/2009/05/this-weeks-shared-items-may-26-2009.html This Week’s Shared Items – May 26, 2009 | Ocell.blog

    [...] Deny This, Last.fm [...]

  • http://tankebrott.wordpress.com/2009/05/26/veckans-tankebrott-tro-gar-fore-behandling/ Veckans Tankebrott: Tro går före behandling… « Tankebrott

    [...] Last.fm bistått RIAA med användardata, via moderbolaget CBS? Ser onekligen ut [...]

  • http://netzwertig.com/2009/05/27/angebliche-datenherausgabe-cbs-bestreitet-vorwuerfe-gegen-lastfm/ Angebliche Datenherausgabe: CBS bestreitet Vorwürfe gegen Last.fm » netzwertig.com

    [...] Last.fm, Benutzerdaten an die US-Musikindustrie herausgegeben zu haben. Die Vorwürfe basierten auf Informationen von TechCrunch, das diese von verschiedenen, zum Teil involvierten Informanten erhalten haben [...]

  • http://musically.com/blog/2009/05/27/cbs-refutes-lastfm-riaa-data-sharing-accusations/ Music Ally | Blog Archive » CBS refutes Last.fm / RIAA data-sharing accusations

    [...] TechCrunch having published a leaked email that it claims proves CBS did share data with the RIAA, this one could run and [...]

  • http://www.afonsoduarte.com afonso

    Am I really the only person to find that email extremely suspicious? How many people in the possession of such information would openly discuss it in an email? And who is it directed to? Someone who already knows but needs to be remembered? That email simply does not make sense.

  • http://surber.us/2009/05/27/so-long-lastfm/ SURBER • US · So long, last.fm!

    [...] couple of days ago, TechCrunch claimed to have a new source, saying that while last.fm didn’t know about the leak, CBS — their [...]

  • http://blastmagazine.com/the-magazine/technology/2009/05/did-lastfm-just-throw-you-under-the-bus/ Blast – Did Last.fm just throw you under the bus? – Boston’s Online Magazine

    [...] up again though in the last week; Techcrunch, who originally released the first story, received more tips stating that while Last.fm did not release the information to the RIAA, CBS requested it “for [...]

  • http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/27/firefox-35-near/ Links 27/05/2009: More Schools Adopt GNU/Linux; Firefox 3.5 Near | Boycott Novell

    [...] Deny This, Last.fm A couple of months ago Erick Schonfeld wrote a post titled “Did Last.fm Just Hand Over User Listening Data To the RIAA?” based on a source that has proved to be very reliable in the past. All hell broke loose shortly thereafter. [...]

  • ed

    Corporate “Cloud” Computing: 1

    Gullible hipster middle class suburbia consumer: 0

    Let the games begin!

  • http://digitalcitizen.info/ J.B. Nicholson-Owens

    Why is “Jamwee” any better than “last.fm”? The post that advocates Jamwee comes off as an advertisement, an endorsement by a shill. I see nothing on the site to indicate one’s data wouldn’t be retained or distributed to anyone else.

    libre.fm claims on their site that they “take your privacy seriously” followed by fairly clear descriptions of how one’s usage data would be kept. Even if I don’t believe that, libre.fm lets anyone run their own instance of the service and licenses the code under terms that let me run, inspect, share, and change the software to suit my needs. I could use that to start a competing service run on terms I find acceptable and offer that service to my friends who already trust me.

  • http://www.randomchatter.com/2009/05/tc-34/ RandomChatter » Blog Archive » TC #34: Just a Grind

    [...] Deny This, Last.fm [...]

  • http://identi.ca/notice/4687950 seraphyn’s status on Friday, 29-May-09 08:46:22 UTC – Identi.ca

    [...] http://ur1.ca/4o53 aha, aber trotzdem Streams anbieten, welche in kleines Kind rippen kann. IMO eine nette P2P-Musikbörse [...]

  • stevef99

    *** The person who first leaked the news was terminated from CBS for the leak, says our original source, and threatened with legal action. ***

    In the UK the company passing on the information may have been guilty of breaking Data Protection rules, and the whistleblower would most likely be protected by laws relatyed to whistleblowers.

    In the UK, it would most likely be CBS having their ass handed to them on a plate.

  • http://pieceoplastic.com/index.php/3737/ruff-linkage-200922/ piece 0 plastic – the revolution will be blogged » ruff linkage 200922

    [...] Deny This, Last.fm – "Last.fm didn’t hand user data over to the RIAA. According to our source, it was their parent company, CBS, that did it." [...]

  • http://www.the20life.com/2009/05/30/the-best-of-whats-around-32/ The Best of What’s Around, #32 – The 2.0 Life

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    Aren’t we forgetting something here? So they gave the RIAA your scrobbled tracks. Tracks are identified via their ID3 tags, which is data too easily changed. I can change the tags and make the scrobble think it’s another song/album entirely in less than 10 seconds! It would never hold up if the RIAA actually decided to sue someone. And the tags don’t say anything about the source, whether it be MP3 or where you got it from. And as far as whining about getting your IP…if you put yourself out on the internet, you have to accept people will get your IP from time to time. Unless you use a proxy 24/7. The internet is not anonymous unless you work really hard to make it. It’s not that big of a deal.

  • http://thedrilldown.com/2009/06/01/the-drill-down-089-twitter-and-other-rock-stars/ The Drill Down 089 – Twitter (and other) Rock Stars | The Drill Down

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  • http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2009-06/xbox-360-welcome-to-the-social/ Xbox 360: Welcome to the Social?

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  • http://tech-framers.com/lastfm-cbs-we-have-not-shared-any-data-with-anyone Last.fm, CBS: we have not shared any data with anyone | Tech-Framers

    [...] that Last.fm handed over user data to the RIAA have resurfaced thanks to renewed and revised accusations against Last.fm’s parent company, CBS. We reached out to the targets of the rumor to see if [...]

  • http://superstarsofgaming.com/tech-legal/lastfm-cbs-we-have-not-shared-any-data-with-anyone/ Last.fm, CBS: we have not shared any data with anyone | Superstars Of Gaming

    [...] that Last.fm handed over user data to the RIAA have resurfaced thanks to renewed and revised accusations against Last.fm’s parent company, CBS. We reached out to the targets of the rumor to see if [...]

  • http://piratewar.ru/?p=121 » Last.fm передавала RIAA данные пользователей PirateWar.Ru

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  • http://freemusiceverywhere.wordpress.com/2009/06/03/podcast-tech-weekly-last-fm-on-personal-data-and-competition/ Podcast: Tech Weekly, Last.fm on personal data and competition « Free Music Everywhere (Un espacio para la música libre y gratuita)
  • http://newteevee.com/2009/06/03/how-about-a-last-fm-for-movies/ How About a Last.fm for Movies?

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  • http://www.mmd84.de/blog/2009-06/wechsel-von-lastfm-zu-librefm-inklusive-bestehender-history Wechsel von last.fm zu libre.fm – inklusive bestehender History | MMD84

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  • http://musically.com/blog/2009/06/10/lastfm-founders-stepping-down/ Music Ally | Blog Archive » Last.fm founders stepping down

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  • http://thenextweb.com/2009/06/10/lastfm-founders-resign/ Last.fm founders resign – The Next Web

    [...] when there’s a media storm brewing that needs a quick response. The Techcrunch story recently returned, this time accusing CBS of taking the data from Last.fm without their [...]

  • http://mcinfo.wordpress.com/2009/06/10/last-fm-perde-seus-criadores-bye-bye/ Last Fm perde seus criadores! Bye Bye! « Mc Info – Ligado nas novidades!

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  • http://techiteasy.org/2009/06/10/medias-basic-duty-to-tell-the-truth-p-s-blogs-are-not-media/ Media’s Basic Duty to tell the Truth (P.S. Blogs are not Media) « Tech IT Easy

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  • http://derepente.com.br/2009/06/10/a-saida-dos-fundadores-da-lastfm-e-o-fim-de-uma-identidade-musical/ A saída dos fundadores da Last.fm e o fim de uma identidade musical | De Repente

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  • http://blog.myoon.com/2009/06/11/lastfm-grunder-treten-zuruck/ Last.fm Gründer treten zurück | myoon

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  • http://takipte.anafikir.com/kuruculari-lastfmden-ayrildiklarini-acikladilar/ Kurucuları, Last.fm’den ayrıldıklarını açıkladılar | Takipte.com – Yıldızları takip et

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  • http://www.78s.ch/2009/06/02/lastfm-in-der-kritik-sie-haben-keine-daten-ausgehandigt-aber/ » Last.fm in der Kritik: Sie haben keine Daten ausgehändigt, aber… | 78s – Das Magazin für bessere Musik

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  • http://www.78s.ch/2009/06/02/lastfm-in-der-kritik-sie-haben-keine-daten-ausgehandigt-aber/ » Last.fm in der Kritik: Sie haben keine Daten ausgehändigt, aber… | 78s – Das Magazin für bessere Musik

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  • http://www.davyde.net/2009/06/20/last-fm-fine/ Last.FM: fine? at VY

    [...] sorvolato parecchio sulla questione Last.FM, aspettandomi quanto meno comunicazioni ufficiali da almeno una delle due parti in causa, CBS o [...]

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  • http://www.gradontripp.com/2009/07/14/how-quiet-company-took-me-from-fan-to-evangelist/ How Quiet Company Took Me from Fan to Evangelist | Gradon Tripp

    [...] what’s good, thousands of listeners do.” Since I canceled my Last.fm account after they handed user data to the RIAA, I’ve found TheSixtOne to be the best way to learn about new bands that you otherwise [...]

  • http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/15/the-truth-at-lastfm/ The Truth at Last(.fm)

    [...] I’ve been in London for two weeks pretending to be part of the Traveling Geeks contingent of bloggers. But really I’ve been doing some deep investigative work on this whole Last.fm scandal. [...]

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  • http://unhammer.wordpress.com/2009/08/17/sneaking-out-of-the-walled-garden/ Sneaking out of the walled garden « Lemurbataljonen

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  • http://mikeparsons.net/?p=212 Mike Parsons from Tribal DDB » Blog Archive » Deny This, Last.fm

    [...] with a RIAA request but told Last.fm the data was going to be used for “internal use only.” read more | digg [...]

  • http://blog.pixel-lab.co.uk/?p=1697 Pixel-Love » Blog Archive » Social Network Scams

    [...] I was sceptical at first (they sometimes go off half-cocked, for example with this debacle they created over Last.fm), but I’ve seen a number of game developers who make social games saying they [...]

  • http://www.musicplayer.me/2009/07/06/last-fm-founders-depart-and-seeqpod-dies/ Last.fm founders depart and Seeqpod dies « Music Player

    [...] user data with the RIAA. Last.fm denied these charges but they resurfaced a few weeks ago in a report that it was actually CBS, Last.fm’s corporate owner, that turned over the data to the RIAA. [...]

  • http://mmd42.de/blog/2009-06/wechsel-von-last-fm-zu-libre-fm-inklusive-bestehender-history/ Wechsel von last.fm zu libre.fm – inklusive bestehender History « mmd42.de

    [...] das neuere und noch in Entwicklung befindliche libre.fm. Zu diesem Schritt gebracht haben mich Berichte nach denen last.fm (bzw. die Muttergesellschaft) Daten an die RIAA gesendet haben soll. Ausserdem [...]

  • http://www.techcrunch.com/2010/01/02/the-tyranny-of-government-and-our-duty-of-confidentiality-as-bloggers/ The Tyranny Of Government And Our Duty Of Confidentiality As Bloggers

    [...] were challenged yet again in 2009 with the Last.fm/RIAA story where we believe at least one source, including an executive at Last.fm, lied to us. We [...]

  • http://charliechicago.com/web-2-0/re-techcrunch-on-facebook-and-privacy/ RE: TechCrunch on Facebook and Privacy « CharlieChicago

    [...] It might sound a little extreme, but Michael Arrington has developed a very solid reputation of exposing the truth about how companies share our personal information. I do think there should be a footnote to this that clarifies the fact that we’re not [...]

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