That Whining Sound You Hear Is The Death Wheeze Of Newspapers
Erick Schonfeld
Apr 7, 2009

The newspaper industry is making a lot of noise these days about the Web “stealing” its content and destroying its business. Invariably, the newsmen point their ink-stained fingers at blogs, which are nothing more than “parasites”, or at Google, which is supposedly aiding and abetting in the wholesale theft of the newspaper’s precious words. Rupert Murdoch, owner of the Wall Street Journal and other fine (and not-so-fine) publications, recently warned that the industry should no longer allow Google “to steal our copyrights.” And yesterday, the A.P. declared all out war against the Internet.

Now, there certainly is wholesale theft going on. It happens to newspapers, it happens to TechCrunch, and it happens to all big publishers on the Web. But don’t be confused. That is not what is going on here. For the most part, it is not the millions of legitimate bloggers who are doing the stealing, and it is not Google either. What is going on here is that the newspaper industry contracted by $7.5 billion last year in the U.S. alone, and it is looking for someone to blame rather than adapt to the new realities of information consumption.

The worst part about their whining is that it is completely hypocritical. While newspaper chiefs are complaining in public about Google, their editorial departments are sprouting blogs and their technology departments are using every SEO trick in the book to make sure their articles show up in Google searches and Google News. As Danny Sullivan points out in beautiful rant, if they really wanted to, any newspaper could stop its content from showing up on Google with one simple line of code:

Get your tech person to change your robots.txt file to say this:

User-agent: *
Disallow: /

Done. Do that, you’re outta Google. All your pages will be removed, and you needn’t worry about Google listing the Wall St. Journal at all.

Oh, but you won’t do that. You want the traffic, but you also want to be like the AP and hope you can scare Google into paying you. Maybe that will work. Or maybe you’ll be like all those Belgian papers that tried the same thing and watched their traffic sadly dry up.

Google points this out today as well. But the newspapers are targeting Google, just like everyone else, because it has the deepest pockets and directs large currents of information and attention on the Web. But, as Sullivan points out, you don’t hear the newspaper industry complaining about Yahoo, even though Yahoo News is much bigger than Google News. Perhaps that is because Yahoo is an advertising partner with 793 newspapers in the U.S. and points its traffic firehose directly at the newspaper’s websites.

The newspapers want the traffic. They just can’t stand it when readers can skim the headlines and a few lines of text on Google or a news aggregator and decide to click elsewhere. Google is the newsstand, as is Digg, TechMeme, Reddit, and any other news filters. If the newspapers and their Websites were the only source of “quality” information, Sullivan suggests they go create their own online newsstand, a Hulu for news. Maybe they could just link to each other.

Then we’d see just how good the newspapers are at creating original reporting (which a few of them are good at, but most of them simply copy each other) and how much readers actually care.

Advertisement
Advertisement
  • http://smartbabesaresexy.blogspot.com Smart Babes Are Sexy Blog

    Basically, whoever controls the laws controls the money.

    Let the battle begin ….

  • Jackie

    Deja vu? This is like watching the record labels all of over again…..has no one learned a thing from this?

    Embrace the fact that Google can direct huge amounts of traffic to your web site and be thankful that your business isn’t going to completely disappear.

    Let’s see here we can direct our resources to the web and with a streamlined approach make more money per employee and oh yeah, not kill trees in the process.

    Really sad they don’t see the huge positives here!?

  • http://www.docstoc.com Jason Nazar

    Erick we’ll put. The real questions is how long does it make sense for professional newsmakers (for which there will ALWAYS be a paid market) to generate 90% of their revenue from printing hundrends of oversized sheets of paper, with ink that bleeds on your hands, and has to be hand delivered to millions of homes/business each day, and comes 12 hours after the news broke…..

    when you can turn on the computer and consumer information in real time at any hour of the day

    Personally I’m waiting for newspapers to be delivered over the Kindle and would happily pay a subscription for just that.

  • http://bionicworks.com Sharkb8

    There’s something about whiny people who don’t know how to pull themselves together and do something about a situation like this. It’s obvious that they are in need of catching up with the times. They should jut ask for a bailout.

  • Aladdin

    Actually it’s the Golden Rule … He who has the Gold, makes the Rules.

    :)

  • http://tv.tearn.com/ DJ Chang

    Newspapers are dead. Magazines are next.

    - There is no home page. Google is the news stand and sends users deep into the content. Publishers don’t get it, and won’t accept the facts.

    - They don’t have the productivity to compete with online sources. Blogging and now, microblogging overwhelms those who take a day to write an article.

    - The economics of print is underwater. Revenues are less than the cost of paper, print, and distribution. Publishers can talk about customer loyalty, but the economics can’t be sustained. Deadpool.

  • Random Thought
  • Tom

    What do you mean by “waiting for it?” Kindle already delivers newspapers automatically. Maybe you are not in the US.

    I do agree with you in that bloggers won’t replace professional writers. The quality of the junk you read on 99.999% of the blogs is nowhere near what the New York Times or the Economist delivers on a daily/weekly basis.

  • http://azeemazhar.com azeem

    Lobby lobby lobby! Isn’t that what they’ll do? Change fair use doctrines. Sue in some do-hickey state?

  • Tom

    Yes, the economics of the phyiscial print media is bad. But not the content. That’s where electronic distribution formats such as e-book readers come into play.

  • http://twitter.com/bvmike Michael Fruzzetti

    Every newspaper in the United States will fail. They all have heaps of debt on their books, and their assets are worthless in a dying industry. If every print company is going out of business, who is going to buy your presses, conveyors, etc.? They are the most inefficiently run businesses in America (a toss up with autos) and, unfortunately, can never monetize their web content to support staffing costs.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David_Page/632745832 David Page

    Perhaps I was ignorant of a similar problem when 24 hour TV channel news became the de facto standard of news aggregation and information dispersement. I see the online news aggregators simply following the exact same path as did the TV executives…following where the consumers of the information are and providing valuable advertising to a motivated audience of news carnivores. That’s the formula…not rocket science and it’s obviously repeatable.

    On CNN, I’ve got (at least) a scrolling ticker, a ‘Happening Now’ bar, and probably a split screen between a commentator and an ‘on the scene’ camera. They’re all providing either complementary or completely different news information….but it’s slow, one way, and often subject to bias.

    The online news aggregators/blogs provide the exact same service in an immediate, often two-way conversation. And while bias still often exists, the commentary and opinion is distributed enough to provide a balance.

  • http://www.mikechambers.com mike chambers


    Personally I’m waiting for newspapers to be delivered over the Kindle and would happily pay a subscription for just that.

    You can get newspaper subscriptions on the kindle. (delivered wirelessly everyday).

    mike

  • http://www.derekscruggs.com Derek Scruggs

    Their real problem is Craigslist. If not for that they would still have fat classifieds revenue.

  • http://techypulse.blogspot.com Bilal Shahid

    Apart from Google Inc being blamed for buying sites which didn’t effect users after, here is another bluff which is being created.
    I think its totally upon how much with ease the data is being presented on the site.If a site which has too much of graphics on it how will the average user access it on much slower internet speed.

  • http://www.theprintedblog.com Joshua Karp

    Newspapers cannot persist in their current form… that’s why I started The Printed Blog. So far, we’re distributing in New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles and Chicago. Next week, we’ll be increasing our circulation in Chicago to 5,000, and we’ll be at 100,000 (3x per week) by the end of the year. Our model is completely different, and we’ll be profitable and sustainable.

  • Aaron

    Perhaps printed newspapers, but I don’t see why online will (or should) disappear.

    A home page is irrelevant; a newspaper sees advertising as long as you go to their page (which you will to read the entire article).

    The day to write an article results in far higher quality than a typical blog. Few blogs come close to the authority/fact checking/etc of nytimes, economist, etc.

  • Aaron

    hardly true. There are just too many. Someone is going to emerge as the winner and finally get enough online traffic to be viable.

  • dkp

    cut them off then let them sit there until they come crawling back to google on their hands and knees begging to be indexed again.

  • http://web2newyork.com Peter Verkooijen

    A decade of “all content should be free” dogma on the web has consequences.

    Web entrepreneurs tried to build businesses leeching off professionally produced content, from paid writers, producers, musicians, etc. If they had any original content, it was “user-generated” or from unpaid bloggers.

    Most of these “businesses” never made any money. They were funded with VC-money and hoped to eventually make money selling advertising or get acquired by a big evil traditional publisher or (after 2002) Google.

    All this free content led to an inventory glut that drove down advertising prices. The only way to make any money was to aggregate content and advertising space. A race to the bottom ensued that Google won, virtually monopolizing advertising and media in the process.

    Traditional media and advertising companies were forced to participate, but were unable to make it work. They are getting out of content production to move into data or business services or they’ll go bankrupt. Eventually noone will be able to make a living producing content.

    It’s basic economics people!

  • http://www.yousaidit.com Charles Borwick

    Google is not the news stand for many of us. I don’t look to Google to tell me what the newspapers or saying or what the news is. I know a lot of people do, but I think there will be fewer of those as we all get better at curating our own news from the sources we trust.

    RSS was too abstruse for most people to figure out, but something like Twitter will make it really simple for all of us to get our own news feed (and publish one too!).

    Google is just a stepping stone on the way to understanding a better way. Once you find that way, the original creators of news are back in business without the (new) middle man.

  • http://buylowcostads.com Ed

    Newspapers are the dinosaurs of the information age. There is absolutely nothing out there to stop what is happening with newspapers. They will all die a slow death eventually. Most have more debt on their books than they’ll ever make up. The Internet didn’t kill newspapers, newspapers have committed suicide.

  • http://friendfeed.com/travispuk Travis Koger

    See Ya Dead Tree Media, don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

  • http://www.adrianeden.com Adrian Eden

    I’m a young man, have not been on this earth for very long, 25 years or so, but I have seen some things during this time. The death of the cassette tape by CD, the start of the Internet, floppy drives going extinct, etc etc.

    Newspapers are bad for the enivornment, print versions anyway, and they take up so much time to get a story or news out to the world. The information has to go through so many people before the consumer gets to read it, and usually during this time it is extremely flowery and over written.

    Society and humanity in general want news now, and from the source directly, we do not want any Newspapers that are watched over by the Government or Bankers communicating what they think we should know.

    Social Media tools have empowered everyone to be a source of News and information, creating your own content or just passing on News that you see in real time via services like Twitter.

    An evolution has been growing slowly, and it is now upon us, I would suggest if you are working at a Newspaper or if you own a Newspaper to go and get some training in computer programming languages so you can forge your own place in this world.

    There is no remorse for the weak or close minded. Gone are the days that we read Newspapers for news. The Newspaper in my city of Vancouver have News on them that is a few days old, as I get News on Twitter at least a few days before the mainstream press provides it to the rest of Society.

    The only people that read Newspapers regularly are my grand parents and people who do not understand technology and the Internet. I know some of you will disgaree, that is fine, you are entitled to your opinion.

    Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!

  • http://platform.idiomag.com andrew

    fascinating to watch the death of such a huge and once-powerful industry.

    jeff jarvis also has a great rant about this at http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/04/07/the-speech-the-naa-should-hear/

  • Sameer

    Every once in a while TC chooses an industry/company to pick a fight with, and writes several posts against such industry/company. Which is fine because thats TC’s idea of hard hitting journalism, I guess. But, they usually pick fights with industries/companies that are struggling to stay in business such as the recording industry, the newspaper industry, and the TC competitor blognation.

    How about picking a healthy rival more often?

  • http://www.TurboSocialMedia.com/blog Matt Arndt

    Soon enough the newspapers will all be digital and we wont have to waste our time hearing them complain! It’s unbelievable that they would actually think that “attacking the internet” a viable option…up with the new media!

  • Sameer

    Also I don’t understand the general delight in the demise of newspapers. They do produce some of the best written content on earth, and it is sad that their ability to continue to do so is very much threatened.

  • eradicator

    OK, the bullseye graphic is super crappy. Who looks at two orange concentric circles and thinks “target”? How about a sniper crosshairs, or something that actually looks like a bullseye?

  • http://www.mytestbox.com Mircea @ MyTestBox.com

    “That’s the sound of the…inevitable” (Matrix style)

    If they try to resist to the new ways of doing business then we could see a newspaper in the museums…or read about them in the history manuals. Just like we do with dinosaurs…

  • http://twitter.com/bvmike Michael Fruzzetti

    The Wall Street Journal and New York Times will always have a solid following. They can charge for premium content and make enough money from displaying ads on free articles. The local papers owned by these larger publishers will struggle, and eventually you will have citizen journalists covering your local news.

  • D

    Google is simply a middle man distributing information. The newspapers should not only be happy with that but probably should pay for that distribution (and the enhancements Google provides).

    Bloggers are also distributors of information. However, if their sources dry up or go belly-up they will actually be forced to do primary research or real reporting. For the most part bloggers simply comment on information gathered from other sources regardless on whether it is based on fact or fiction.

    It will be interesting to see if bloggers will continue to succeed when they actually have to produce something beyond comments. Will they be any good at it? Will they even try? Reporting for the most part is hard work and requires you to actually go out in the world not just sit at a computer.

    Google on the other hand will continue to provide links to products, etc. so it will hardly miss the newspaper content.

  • http://twitter.com/bvmike Michael Fruzzetti

    I just checked out your site and started following you on Twitter. I would definitely be interested in hearing more about your business model. Do you share revenue with the content owners? Who picks which articles are worthy of being published? Best of luck with increasing your circulation!

  • Aaron

    Or if you are local, you can just outsource your entire reporting:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/30/opinion/30dowd.html?em

  • http://www.latticepurple.com MARVIN

    The moment we have kindles and alikes taking on e-book domain using the electronic paper (WWW.E-INK.COM)….these print media oldies r gonna run helter skelter in saving their asses…probably again these guys will whine against the newer reality too… One can only laugh.

  • http://friendfeed.com/patrickboegel Patrick Boegel

    Interesting, but much like the comment about record labels (see TC comment section), one thing left out of the equation is the consumer of the information at some point needs to pay the piper, via sub or advertiser support, or perhaps we are looking for an army of goodwill journalists? There is more to this than just the out of touch and out of mode owners and corporate boards of newspapers. Their whining might be boring, but everyone needs to be vested in quality information and journalism being viable.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Anthony_Moor/635702143 Anthony Moor

    Hi Erik,

    Nice rant. As one of the folks quoted in some of the coverage of the Murdoch gauntlet-throwing — somewhat disingenuously, to be frank — I’d like to clarify my thoughts on Google vs. newspapers:

    I’m not one of those who think Google is the death of newspapers. Quite the contrary, search engines are the default home page for people using the Internet, and as such, direct a lot of traffic to us. That traffic is important. I don’t believe Google is “stealing” our content.

    Google organizes the Web. Something needs to do that. My concern is that they’re effectively a monopoly player in that space. Oh sure, there’s Yahoo, but who “Yahoos” information on the Web? I understand and recognize the revolutionary nature of the link economy, but I’m concerned that it’s Google which defines relevance via their algorithms. (Yes, I know that they’re leveraging what people have chosen to make relevant, but they’re still applying their own secret sauce, which is why we all game it with SEO efforts) and that puts the rest of us in a very subservient position.

    I wonder if there isn’t another way in which the Web can be organized and relevance gained that reduces the influence of Google and returns some of the value that Google is reaping for the rest of us? I predict that someday there will be and all this talk of Google’s dominance will be history.

  • http://friendfeed.com/thomaspower Thomas Power

    dinosaurs who refused to change, remember the bird, shark and crocodile made it through so some of these guys are going to transition

  • http://www.rajajasti.com/2009/04/06/ap-takes-on-google/ AP takes on the web ?? « Raja Jasti’s Blog – Renaissance Thinking

    [...] Techcrunch: [...]

  • http://www.goebel.net/technews/ Markus Göbel’s Tech News Comments

    Blogs and other online media are doomed too. I already imagine Techcrunch organizing a class action against of online media against Adblock. I am a bad client for ads, when I don’t filter them with the Firefox plugin I do it mentally. Of course I also avoid live TV. I record everything to skip the ads. Websites like Techcrunch will soon be like these established media, suffer the same problems and fight for survival the same way.

  • barz

    Erick,

    I think the problem for newspapers is that when other services/ sites use their content, they link back to the specific article/ page. It’s convenient for uses, but makes it very difficult for newspapers to make a living because users don’t continue to browse their site (the amount of add space is reduced).

    This is just a question, but what if blogs and other services were forced to link back to their source’s homepage instead of the actual article page? Sure, that would annoy the hell out of users, but then they would have to find the article they were looking for themselves and newspapers would have more add space to live off.

    It has already been established that readers/ viewers find adds annoying. But that doesn’t mean the content providers care. We accept the fact that TV stations coordinate commercial breaks so that viewers can’t avoid them by switching to other channels. Couldn’t we live with having to navigate from the homepage down? Still, no matter what anyone says, it is not in anyone’s best interest to see all newspaper die, right?

  • http://www.whichdraft.com/ Jason Mark Anderman

    I’ve felt for some time now that the biggest mistake newspapers are making in shifting to a digital economy is ignoring the chance to sell premium software tools to customers. If you think about it, there is no essential reason why publishing has to be paired with the traditional model of advertising, it just happened to make sense and be an effective model for a very long time in the pre-digital era. Now, there are many alternative models out there, but newspapers do not seem to be embracing them. For example, I run a web site that automates contract creation. For the life of me, I find it amazing that my home town paper, the St. Louis Post Dispatch, doesn’t have its business section do the very same thing and charge for it, but they don’t.

  • Mark Hinojosa

    Good points Anthony. I would add that because pagerank plays such an important role in what google news delivers, they are in effect picking winners and losers in the online news space.

    I think we forget that a significant number of people don’t get there news online. Part of the role that newspapers play is the democratization of information through low cost distribution.

    I think it is wrong to assume that all newspapers are pointing their fingers at Google and others. Many of us in online news were working on the internet very early because we saw the value in the delivery platform.

  • coldbrew

    Both Hearst and News Corp have indicated that they intend to produce their own e-readers. It will be more proprietary formats, just like the Kindle, so they have the feeling that their content is on “lock-down” and everyone must pay for access. Not sure why partnering with Amazon is out of the question…

  • coldbrew

    “… democratization of information through low cost distribution.”

    Sure, if you consider running a printing press, lots of trucks, and neighborhood paperboys (slave labor?) low cost.

    Print is/was highly subsidized by advertising that the web (Google, Craigslist, etc.) is cannibalizing.

  • Sameer

    exactly

  • coldbrew

    Creating artificial barriers to information is not the answer.

  • Dan Ratner

    There’s a big difference between the recording industry and the news industry. Many independent artists and bands can create a great sound with minimal cost and for a long time the only value-add of the music publisher was distribution (they even pushed marketing downstream). With Auto Tune you don’t even need to be able to sing…

    While the role of the citizen blogger isn’t to be understated, there are some things they can’t reasonably do. To name just three examples, high quality investigative journalism is often time-consuming and expensive, embedded reporting from military units isn’t going to be done by someone who isn’t a professional journalist and access to White House press badges are still pretty limited. There’s a lot more – people publishing controversial content are still subject to numerous (and often frivolous) lawsuits and may not yet have a film-crew, let alone one on constant standby. Creating news is more expensive than creating music.

    Which doesn’t mean the industry won’t change – it will. But it does mean that the idea of news going exactly the same way as the music industry seems less likely. The wire services will certainly get more powerful (not just AP, but Bloomberg, Reuters and others who charge often very large amounts for some exclusive content like real-time stock tickers).

    Some distributors (like mobile phone companies) are in a great position to add a nominal fee to your monthly plan and give you access to premium content. Others will need to struggle with finding a monetization strategy (given the amount of TC articles about the decline of online ads, I wouldn’t count on that.)

    Ultimately, you get what you pay for. Quality content is virtually free to distribute, but it’s still pricey to create.

  • http://gadgetsteria.com/2009/04/07/newspapers-going-the-way-of-the-auto-industry-succombing-to-the-digital-age/ Gadgetsteria » Newspapers going the way of the auto industry – succombing to the digital age?

    [...] to the material in order to make the article more personal as well as “their own”.  As Tech Crunch points out, the newspaper industry is much like the auto industry and music industry.  Each respective [...]

  • Paul O

    The best explanation of the current situation of newspapers I’ve seen was given last December by James Surowiecki in the New Yorker:

    http://www.newyorker.com/talk/financial/2008/12/22/081222ta_talk_surowiecki

    Those who solely blame the newspapers, please give it a read.

    And here’s the conclusion: “For a while now, readers have had the best of both worlds: all the benefits of the old, high-profit regime—intensive reporting, experienced editors, and so on—and the low costs of the new one. But that situation can’t last. Soon enough, we’re going to start getting what we pay for, and we may find out just how little that is.”

  • Web3.0

    Actually, we are witnessing the rise of Web 3.0 – where good content will be bought and sold.

    Since companies with solid content, like AP, NYTimes, WSJ, the television networks, musicians, etc. can’t make money with hits, ads or eyeballs – they will begin to put up barriers and charge for everything. (WSJ.com & Barron’s already charges a subscription fee. I would pay for the NYTimes.com & Hulu)

    If content providers were smart, they would remove all their links from Google. It’s not essential they are in Google. I can find the NY Times without Google.

    Hits don’t matter when you have paying customers.

    All the worthwhile content on the Bloomberg system starts at $30,000/yr and goes up to as much as $80,000/yr (depending on your subscription). And Bloomberg offers no volume discount. That’s what will happen to the Net.

    Anything worth paying for will cost, everything else – like videos of cats playing with a tissue box – will be free.

    Google will end up as an index of free crap that people posted on the Net. Google’s revenue has peaked.

  • Terry

    @Aaron that is a truly horrific future that Maureen is writing about. The reality is that in order to compete for these jobs then Americans will have to reduce themselves to third-world status. Sign me up…not. Damn this sucks…

  • barz

    The goal wouldn’t be to create barriers. The fact is that by blogs linking back to specific article pages, newspapers loose add space. So the goal is to lengthen the path readers need to go through, in order to create more add space for newspapers. Linking back to the newspaper’s homepage is one way to do this. Another way could be to link back to an add page that automatically redirects to the article after a couple of seconds. It’s still annoying for readers, but maybe it could help newspapers, don’t you think?

  • Terry

    If you read my close-minded racist, fascist and hateful local newspaper then you would understand my glee better.
    Cheers

  • coldbrew

    I certainly understand what your suggestion is aimed at doing (it is quite simple, not genius), but maybe you don’t understand the term “artificial”?

  • http://www.techknock.com/2009/04/war-declared-against-the-internet/ War declared against the Internet.

    [...] its true. I would like you all to read the article from where it originated. Click here and [...]

  • Web3.0

    Ok, maybe you don’t like my Bloomberg anology.

    Take TheStreet.com. Since 2001, theStreet.com has grown its revenue almost 400% to $71 million.

    Not bad for a small publication based on the stock market.

    None of Briefing.com’s content appears in Google. Yet, the company is thriving. Almost every year, they’ve been in business, they’ve raised subscription prices.

    In three years, you’ll either pay for TechCrunch or you won’t and it will die.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Simon_Chan/6700850 Simon Chan

    traditional print media getting screwed up the ass by change, and they designate what changees are doing illegal, when in reality, they just haven’t mastered monetizing the online/web 2.0/blogging model (look what murdock did to myspace).

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Simon_Chan/6700850 Simon Chan

    lol good on aladdin!

  • nonsense

    Nah. The Fed will just print another 14 trillion dollars and hand it over to Rupert Murdoch just like they did for the banks.

    Any company involved in pumping out statist propaganda is clearly too big to fail… I mean where would we be without the mainstream news? I shudder to think! We might actually have a society that isn’t completely mentally ill and caught up in fantasies about 9/11, WMD, global warming and other such nonsense.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Glenn_Kelman/720555518 Glenn Kelman

    Erick, first of all, Robert Thomson said that “certain websites” are parasites, presumably news aggregators, but was in no way characterizing blogs or other sources of original journalism as such. In this respect, it seems like you aren’t trying to frame the question fairly.

    The larger question is whether any effort to charge for music, writing, video or images available online is, in TechCrunch’s view, the work of miscreant luddites?

    At some level, we all agree that when someone creates a valuable, original story, video or song, he deserves to be paid for his labor.

    We also agree that technology has changed how people are paid and that most creative folks are not themselves technologists who can easily adapt to the change.

    Finally, I think we would also all agree that Google discourages businesses from charging for information. Google, for example, could easily arrange to index premium information without requiring the first click for consumers to be free, but Google chose not to do so, and Google is by far the primary beneficiary of that choice; it is easier, for example, to browse the WSJ for free from Google than it is to browse the WSJ from WSJ.com.

    When you and Danny Sullivan tell newspapers to opt out of Google, because its business model is based on free content, it seems disingenous to me. You’re effectively telling newspapers to build their own gateway to the Internet, an effort which I am sure you and I would find laughable.

    My point is that there is room for a serious discussion on how creative folks will be paid when the main Internet gateway only includes content that can be accessed for free. Why can’t that discussion happen on TechCrunch?

  • Shane

    Nail on the head…

  • http://www.facebookcontest.com Mark

    I cannot upvote this article enough.

  • Dave

    If newspapers want bloggers and others to stop stealing their content, maybe they should stop stealing content from bloggers?

    I can’t count the number of times I’ve read a story on a blog, only to see it appear a week later, in barely modified form, in a newspaper.

  • http://smartbabesaresexy.blogspot.com Smart Babes Are Sexy Blog

    Yes, that is probably true.

    We will approach a state of near free competition with low barriers to entry and exit. Basic economics suggests that this will drive economic rents down close to zero, and while the consumers will win, producers, for the most part, will probably not.

    The real question for me is, will the quality inevitably go down? Will we see a Gresham’s Law of good journalism, or will there be enough people willing to churn out great content with quality control at much lower salaries than they were used to?

  • http://smartbabesaresexy.blogspot.com Smart Babes Are Sexy Blog

    Ditto.

    Definite much harder to compete with someone like Craigslist who don’t care about profit.

  • http://friendfeed.com/chenelson Jason Nelson

    Patrick: I think the evolution of advertising as a service that integrates intuitively and transparently with all types of content provides that revenue source. I see/hear something, it catches my attention, I want more info, and a small fraction of these transactions end in purchase of a product/service. E.g., I’m watching a news program on home invasions, and within three clicks, I’ve scheduled an appointment with a local home security contractor. If I purchase, the content provider receives a %.

  • http://fannick.blogspot.com Glenn Fannick

    I ask again, if the print media did not exist, from where would you expect to get serious, in-depth reportage and investigative journalism? Certainly not from bloggers or TV news. Does anyone here wish to live in a society where we are simply fed what our governments and corporations tell us? Be careful, Web Intelligentsia, what you so gleefully seem to wish for, as you just might get it.

  • http://www.peachtreemediaadvisors.com John Doyle

    In the words of Rodney King, “Can’t we all just get along?” I have written the T Boone Pickens plan on how to save newspapers. I wrote a ltter to the Newspaper Association of America before their show, not to chest beat, but to truly offer constructive and radical advice.

    This letter encourages the newspaper industry to grab the bull by the horns and bring order to the digital media landscape by acquiring the right businesses. Newspapers and bloggers can work together.

    Summary of Letter: http://tinyurl.com/dfmrq2

    Actual Letter: http://tinyurl.com/c6o6x6

    John Doyle
    Peachtree Media Advisors, Inc.

  • http://friendfeed.com/chenelson Jason Nelson

    Patrick: In that model, piracy becomes a good thing: the point is to get your content into as many hands as possible and enjoy the long-tail. Think about home improvement shows on TLC and the Oscars: I want that room but with this color palette and dark oak; I want that dress but in hot pink and a size 8 — I’m not bulimic.

  • Mort Blort

    I am employed in new media, but there is no getting away from the fact that we are losing something in translation. The web is not now a full substitute for the newspaper experience. The vast amount of information spread over large pages invites a sort of easy discovery and scannability that just isn’t there online. I often pick up a newspaper and end up reading something I never would have attended to online. I look at ads that I never would have clicked on online. I’m not saying those things can’t be solved, just that they need to be solved.

  • http://solutions@eporia.com Seattle Website Design

    Have to agree with the comment of ‘Google is the newsstand’. So often many of us turn to resources like Google or Yahoo! for most all of our news anymore.

  • http://ireaderreview.com/2009/04/07/what-happens-when-newspapers-are-dead/ What happens when Newspapers are dead? « Kindle 2, Kindle Books Reader 2.0 – Amazon Kindle 2 Review

    [...] Rupert Murdoch and AP are accusing Google of stealing. An obvious sign of desperation – TechCrunch calls it the death wheeze of newspapers. [...]

  • http://bridgingtwoworlds.wordpress.com/2009/04/07/can-big-media-control-google-content/ Can Big Media Control Google Content? « Bridging Two Worlds

    [...] has a very interesting article entitled “The Whining Sound You Hear Is The Death Wheeze Of Newspapers.” It’s well worth a [...]

  • http://blog.journalistics.com Jeremy Porter

    First off, the lead in your article is one of the best I’ve read in a while. You should be a journalist. Oh wait, you are one. You just happen to write for a blog.

    I think you completely nailed this one. I love the reference to the “disallow” tag. You’re right, they want the traffic. It’s ridiculous to look to Google as the bad guy here.

    If anything, Google has kept a lot of these papers on life support by sending traffic to their sites. Ever news search result links through to the source, how is this stealing copyright?

    Great post. JP

  • http://redsoxmaniac.com redsoxmaniac

    What is overlooked is that you cannot get true local coverage in this method,. The managerial style saves a lot of money, but there will be still a need for ground troops to break stories.

    What happens if someone gets robbed in Pasadena? You can’t outsource someone to take a picture of the scene from 2,000 miles away.

    This is more of the future of analysis reporting and sourcing, editing etc. But the story still has to come from the ground, and someone has to pay someone to break it.

  • Tarleton

    Every single site that you listed is a source of business-related information. In business, information is EVERYTHING, so business people are willing to pay for any edge they can get (or think they are getting). Your average person does not derive a distinctive benefit from media aside from increasing their knowledge of the world, so it is hard to convince them to pay for the value.

  • http://redsoxmaniac.com redsoxmaniac

    Craigslist isn’t the problem. They didn’t steal classifieds, they just re-organized them. What if they did charge? Then they would have the revenue, and the newspapers wouldn’t.

    If craigslist didn’t exist, a 1000 others would’ve taken its place. All it is is a message board. The death of a newspaper because of a message board. Wow. Really?

  • http://www.tapinko.com Pete Groverman

    Newspapers need to adjust their business models… what next we are going to have law suits just like we have with the recording industry? We created TapInko to allow for publications to enhance their sales teams and make them more efficient. Newspapers should be proactive here NOT defensive…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tweet_Feeds/1467135579 Tweet Feeds

    great project, we need real news from real people

  • http://redsoxmaniac.com redsoxmaniac

    One of the worst arguments in the history of mankind is the assumed efficiency of computers in terms of helping the environment. One must pause to think what it takes to manufacture a processor chip:

    * 4,267 cubic feet of bulk gases
    * 3,787 gallons of waste water
    * 27 pounds of chemicals
    * 29 cubic feet of hazardous gases
    * 9 pounds of hazardous waste
    * 3,023 gallons of de-ionized water

    As for Twitter news, there isn’t much. 140 characters does not a news story make. And if a journalist if pushing their beats on Twitter, how much money are they making, and how are they going to survive if they have zero dollars?

    The torpedoes, full speed ahead, will not only destroy the newspaper industry, but will allow bigger companies ( like google ) to take their place and have more power over the people.

    Watch what you wish for.

  • http://redsoxmaniac.com redsoxmaniac

    I like the fact that he is ranting against the same papers he is sourcing. Where is he going to get his news when these papers fold?

  • http://redsoxmaniac.com redsoxmaniac

    I feel that it can survive, but it will be so few who will benefit.

    People assume that new media will benefit everyone, but in actuality, will only benefit those that can profit quickly.

    Bloggers who don’t report won’t have news, and they will dissapear. Or they will fight amongst themselves over protected content, and then that is when we will see the new media philosophy tested.

    Google is the gun-runner; it doesn’t care if the blogger or newspaper blows its head off. Great comment D.

  • http://redsoxmaniac.com redsoxmaniac

    Then those media sites won’t be able to feed their kids. The psychology behind having little food or value because you can’t get it from hard work, it is riveting.

    2009 is a good test for many. Lets see if something can change. As of now, no one will report for free or cheap. And if TechCrunch can’t pay the bills, what happens next? TechCrunch will survive; the writers are pretty good, and it seems they have their own sources. For smaller blogs, I don’t know.

  • http://redsoxmaniac.com redsoxmaniac

    As a small digression, I wonder where does NPR stand in all of this? I know they don’t print, but their media format ( radio ) isn’t healthy either.

    They have great content, they organize affiliate news really well, and I get great stuff from them all the time. Their SEO is atrocious ( have you ever found an NPR article on Google? ) yet they still have an online audience.

    I know their revenue methods, but wonder what people think in general about them as a media company.

  • http://canguru.nl/?p=7 CopyFight (c) « Canguru

    [...] Give me back my copy [...]

  • http://www.adrianeden.com Adrian Eden

    What about shipping the Newspapers, powering the huge buildings where the journalists work, cutting down the trees, shipping the trees for use, etc?

    I guess the point im trying to make is we do not want or need journalism. Period. Give me the facts, in the shortest way possible, linked to the proof, that’s it.

    Also, a computer processor lasts quite a long time (years) if you buy a decent one, on the other hand Newspapers get printed EVERY SINGLE DAY.

  • dont

    If Craigslist’s was a public billion dollar + company, they would have thousands of employee’s instead of 25. At the very least they would help our economy a lot more and give people jobs.

  • http://piratesocial.org/?p=163 Pirate Social » That Whining Sound You Hear Is The Death Wheeze Of Newspapers

    [...] Schonfeld has a post on TechCrunch summarizing the kuffufle around newspapers, Google, and business models: The newspaper industry is [...]

  • Que

    News papers will not be dead anytime soon; maybe they will die in some developed nations over the next couple of years but not in small poor nations.

    You all are only thinking of your standards and what you do look at it from different points of view.

    Rich developed nation newspapers will fade but they all wont die. Some will be kept alive due the numbers that they sell. Everybody cant afford the internet, a computer, let alone any device such as a kindle etc. you are disadvantaging the poor who may be able to afford the 40cents a paper cost.

    Its a simple fact that you can not find everything that is printed in a typical paper on the website of the paper. I don’t care what paper and what site your pull up everything will not be online.

    Poor nations most people don’t own computers some own TV’s how will the receive the news; got any answers? Its the newspaper.

    Kindle/Sony Reader vs Newspaper
    Some ways better some ways not.
    1 You have to pay for it. Why would you pay for an extra device period; your better off on a mobile phone or computer and going to BBC,CNN,Fox, AlJazerra, MSNBC .com

    2 The size of print the print is two small for some and if you cant zoom in still doesnt beat a newspaper on how much you can read/see in one glance.

    A better option would be having something the same size as typical newspapers that is made of epaper, or something that is like the kindle that can fold up.

    Blogs will never be news agencies, tell me this how many bloggers can even you correct grammar, are unbiased or how many even majored in Journalism.Anyone can set up a blog would you want some no name you’ve never heard of to tell you the news that maybe nothing more than glorified rumors. Will we make the blogger stand by what he/she says and if he slanders someone will be prosecuted etc.

  • Eric

    Actually, you have it backward – whoever controls the money controls the law.

    Coming from India, I thought you’d have figured that out by now.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Drew_Dunlevie/705346413 Drew Dunlevie

    Good post, Erick. I would have titled it “Stop The Presses!”

  • http://virtualjournalist.wordpress.com/2009/04/07/death-wheeze-looks-to-unseat-death-spiral/ “Death wheeze” looks to unseat “death spiral” « Virtualjournalist

    [...] Posted by Anthony Salveggi on April 7, 2009 Because “death spiral” is s0 two days ago: Here’s the headline from Erick Schonfeld’s article that ran in TechCrunch today: That whining sound you hear is the death wheeze of newspapers [...]

  • http://www.facebook.com/people//1358649359 fb1358649359

    This is simple, publishing STILL has not figured out the internet. They are waaaaay behind the curve, late and lame just like the music industry was…this didnt happen overnight. They were stubborn and refused to learn the ‘new math’. Now, they will die from it.

  • stormkite

    Swings both ways, actually. Or, better way to look at it, it’s a circle. Money gets you the power to tweak the laws to help you get more money . Or you can go about it the other way, if you’ve got more legal clout than money.

    The two are fundamentally inseparable; arguing precedence is about chicken or egg preferences.

  • oldperfesser

    I’ve got two words for anyone who talks about what great journalism the New York Times delivers: Judith Miller.

    Was a time they were a great newspaper with profound journalistic integrity, but that was a long, long time ago.

    The wounds are self inflicted. The sense of mission and the moral seriousness that once made the great dailies a must read went away a generation back. Today it’s all tabloid chatter and playing kissy face with whoever is in power.

    In 2004 and 2008, the Presidential election coverage was driven by blogs, not newspapers. When serious questions were asked, they were asked by the guys on the fringe who were writing because they actually cared about actual issues and public policy. Talking Point Memo breaks more investigative scoops than the Times, with a fraction of the staff (and the Times steals the stories, without attribution, just about every time).

  • http://redsoxmaniac.com redsoxmaniac

    Not really, because that money would have to come from the pockets of local people handing out advertisements. For every dime that goes to one company, another company loses money.

    The only way jobs could be loss is if people burned the money instead of putting back into capitalism. What if people made a market on selling free doors? Does that mean the door industry will lose jobs? Yes. but does that mean the economy loses jobs? No, because the money can still be utilized somewhere else.

    It is called potential energy. To say that Craigslist has money = jobs, makes no sense on two levels:

    One: If Craigslist charge $400 per ad, and people actually bought it, and they made $50 billion a year, how do we know how many jobs are created? What about the jobs and businesses that people could’ve spent their Craigslist money on? Those businesses disappear! So there is no linear relation of job growth/loss because it depends who does what with what money.

    For every $20 I spend on one industry, another industry doesn’t get it. Money is finite. Craigslist making money doesn’t mean jobs are created.

    Two: Even if Craigslist made money off its ads, how do you know it would need more employees? What if it creates an anarchic server with its own components ( like Google ) and only have to hire web database and storage staffs? Instead of 10,000 jobs, they only need about 300. So that money could be efficiently valued for only 200+ extra jobs. And the efficiency ends up giving the small amount of employees of Craigslist lots of money.

    Your nonsense economic approach is annoying at best, scary at worse. What is more ignorant of your post is that you assume classifieds is a revenue model “owned” by newspaper industries. The newspaper revenue model started with circulation expansion through advertising from expansion corporations in the 19th century ( See : For God, Country, and Coca-Cola ).

    They own the classifieds revenue model, just as much as I own google adsense model. These are ways of making money, and if someone wants to do it for cheap or for free, then let them. If the newspapers die, then they die. I don’t want them to go away, but I can’t fight for a revenue model that they don’t own.

    Classifieds began as bulletin boards in local towns that exploded in population and many people/businesses put up news and fodder. If you are going to argue against Craigslist, you should also argue against the newspapers for stealing the bulletin board concept from local towns all over the country.

    To end this argument, the NY Times had the ability to have a stake in Google AND Craigslist in the 1990′s, and declined. Here is the article:

    http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/05/new-york-times200905?printable=true&currentPage=all

    End this Craigslist argument. If you are over 25 and somehow fall for this argument, you need to go back to school, or try not to cast a ballot for any elected officials until you get your head on straight.

  • http://axon.tel Alan Chamberlain

    People will still need news, and they will still endure advertising to get it. Someone will still have to be paid a decent compensation to go to the meetings, scan the police logs, interview the principals, badger the powerful, and otherwise *gather* the news. Someone will still need to be paid a decent compensation to fact check, rewrite, format, and otherwise *edit* the news.

    Those costs are not what is killing the newspaper business. It is the cost of capex in plant, opex of paper and ink and other materials, energy (and hoo boy do they use a lot of that), fleets of delivery trucks and armies of teamsters to drive them.

    The new newspaper will not be a paper, but a news processing organization that presents content through a platform that embeds advertising in the content modules. Users can have the news for free and take the ads, or they can pay a subscription and lose them. Either way, the advertiser is going to pay tariffs based on views, and the reporters and editors are going to be compensated on the same basis.

    This model can work, and I believe it will, sooner rather than later. It simply makes no sense to kill all those trees, process all that pulp, spill all that ink, burn all that carbon, and pay all those production and distribution people to deliver yesterday’s news in an obsolete form factor. News organizations can flourish by doing the one thing they do that no one else can do; extract complex information from abstruse and reluctant sources, authenticate it, and redact it for eighth-grade reading levels. The rest of the package, from monetizing the eyeballs to serving the content to customizing the UX, is already in place.

    –Ax

  • http://redsoxmaniac.com redsoxmaniac

    I understand, but that is why one should think about the manufacturing conditions before they say what is more environmental.

    I think they’re both unsustainable, and we need to improve our mindsets to encounter ways of delivering content better than what is current.

    “I guess the point im trying to make is we do not want or need journalism. Period. Give me the facts, in the shortest way possible, linked to the proof, that’s it.”

    This is a scary thought, because if no one finds information, then no one would get information. Journalism is the discipline of finding stories and facts.

    Giving anyone just the facts is boring and can be manipulative. Also, facts can’t be conjured at the time of wanting information. Facts also have no meaning without context.

    If you are looking for pre-journalism history, then you probably shouldn’t be on the internet. Your posts is a hypocrisy against itself. If you only need the facts, then you should probably just catch up on the next editions of scholastic books, and leave the stories to be read by the rest of the world who needs more than 2+2=4.

  • high resolution version

    Newspaper website portal yet to get acquainted with internet. They still offer high/low resolution version, which is bad for SEO and navigation. Once they learn net, rss, external linking etc, bloggers gone.

  • Printmaster

    well, well, well.
    For a while now, Google has been rubbing everyone the wrong way. Which means that there’s some innate value in Google :)
    Let me take the opportunity to exact my personal revenge on the papers for misleading the world’s commoners for decades and establishing an empire of evil and corporate slime that does nto refuse to change a bit.
    Google should start a “Printing Portal” for printing out web content. It should make this a “cooperative” or alternatively a “marketplace”, so to speak, where everyone on the planet who has a printer and an internet connection, and is willing to print for others (for cash), takes orders in whatever amounts he can or wants, and the local post or courier agencies collect from him and give to those who do not have printers.
    E-governance is the next big thing, online education is also the next big thing.
    Thinking of it from a webservices, semantic-web, or an MVC point of view, Google would be the Model and maybe the Controller too, the data would be from Google’s world-information store.
    This platform (the network of people with printers as also those who would run around delivering prints) will help launch many other distribution mechanisms. The people that these dirty corporations laid off, could actually start giving valuable local news, cherry-picked (dangerous too, but then verifiable) for *each* customer.

    And if you’re very concerned about the environment and the massive transport of paper *out of centralized control* (gasp!) then it should be worth giving a thought to the fact that newspapers go to nearly every home and most people do not read the full thing. There’s a shit load of crap in the form horribly intrusive ads.
    The netbooks are here, and Microsoft has a 90% share already. The Kindle and stuff like that are there too. The MIT media lab keeps making cool toys. And well, the Android, OpenMoko, Moblin…. you get the picture. These are the “View” of MVC. And of course, paper.
    This distribution network can be a means to kickstart some sections of the economy – there are people out there willing to buy printers and print and photocopy stuff, run around town and deliver paper bundles. These guys are the chaps at the local newspaper distribution service. The thing is you get to start a company with a printer and you can deliver more things than just a paper. Since the Pizza guys just sacked the delivery men, they could take delivery orders from *everyone* through a Google Distribution Portal. The load on the tubes of the internets is high. If you want to reduce that, you can download one copy and make multiple local copies. Bill Gates advocates the use of DVDs to distribute content.
    User Generated Content cannot be monetized, OMG! Maybe this is also worth the try.
    I think this entire set of ideas is pretty obvious to those in the business, maybe it failed as a business model in the past. Yet I feel that it is worth a second look.
    Want to save the trees? Stop buying newspapers, download them or order them printed from Google Media Dsitribution Portal.

    Here, President Obama, one more way of kickstarting a part of the economy and making new jobs and encouraging small guys to get back into business. The right way to realize the American Dream 2.0.

    (Hint: Newspapers, fear-mongers, tree-killers, rank-one hypocrites, screw you! )

  • Printmaster

    You should go around on *bicycles* to deliver the stuff, if it’s close by. So buy a good rugged bicycle and choose safe roads :)

    Some places in the world use tricycles with two tyres at the front and one behind, below the seat – and there’s a bunch of things that go into the cart placed on the triangular chassis. In theory, you could use Hydrogen batteries or solar power or dynamo to generate extra electricity that could be used well to increase efficiency. So you don’t need the same performance math as a car – which is demanding indeed. Bicycle fleets in China, Japan, Korea, Europe are a good model to study. It’s now upto the Democratic party to put their hands where their mouths were some months back and kick the AP and the newspapers out of court and help restart the hundreds of businesses waiting to happen. Google Distribution Portal.
    That is also why all of you cool something2.0 authors must use Creative Commons licenses for your content if you ever hope for it to make a difference to someone. Google has the solid platform to make things move in the real world.
    For example, you could carry saplings across the city to people who want to plant trees and you could help save the environment, unlike the hypocritical newspaper industry.
    The Google Externets?

    Thank you for your time and attention and not vetoing me out :)

  • SteveO

    Yep, get those baby boomer governments to change the laws to suit your out-dated business model.

  • http://www.typeboard.com/2009/04/news-corp-reckons-google-is-a-thief/ Typeboard

    [...] the popular webblog site Techcrunch tells us how newspapers want to fightback “shut down” websites and companies such as [...]

  • http://kpi-agent.com/that-whining-sound-is-the-death-wheeze-of-newspapers/ That Whining Sound You Hear Is The Death Wheeze Of Newspapers | KPI Agent

    [...] the full article at techcrunch.com Comments (1) Leave a [...]

  • http://techmytongue.blogspot.com Vengu

    True! Good observation.

  • http://www.derekscruggs.com Derek Scruggs

    @redsoxmaniac – I wasn’t making a value judgment about Craigslist. I was merely pointing out that a major chunk of newspaper revenue is gone forever. Their complaints about Google and the web in general are minor compared to that brutal fact.

  • http://www.maltmaniacs.org Maltmaniac

    Ever heard of relatively recent inventions called ‘television’ and ‘radio’, redsoxmaniac?

    What’s more: isn’t it strange that, according to newspapers and other traditional media, there seems to be roughly the same amount of ‘news’ every day? Oh, how convenient – that coincides with the fact that a newspaper has the same number of pages each day and a news show on the radio or television lasts for ‘X’ minutes…

    We’ve been conditioned to believe that everything the ‘news’ media present to us is therefor news. It often isn’t…

  • S. Webster

    Too bad…I’m going to miss the black ink all over my dead-tree-holding hands.

    See ya newspapers! You are sooooo Fred Flintstone era!

  • http://endavomediablog.typepad.com/ Peter Contardo

    Wow, those guys are really out of touch! Instead of complaining about evil Google stealing their content and pointing fingers at bloggers, they need to start thinking about how they can make THEIR sites the go-to destinations for news.

    Hire more bloggers, start aggregating content, encourage citizen journalism, facilitate discussions, allow user-generated uploads. Give people the tools they need to interact and share your content. Build communities and then figure out how to monetize them. Google isn’t going anywhere and blogs are here to stay. If newspapers don’t adapt fast enough, their business will continue to disappear.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Milo-Ippolito/575966208 Milo Ippolito

    I have never heard of a single blogger who was beheaded for doing his job.

    Does Google have any staffers on the ground in Iraq or Afghanistan?

  • http://web2newyork.com Peter Verkooijen

    That remains to be seen.

    Personally I’m not willing. I’m trying to escape from journalism into a career that actually pays, like Bullshit Artist for ACORN or something like that.

  • http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/08/who-the-hell-is-enrolling-in-journalism-school-right-now/ Who the Hell Is Enrolling in Journalism School Right Now?

    [...] I’m not only gainfully employed, but have managed to make more money every year the industry has declined all around me. I’ve had the privilege of writing one book, and I’m mid-way through another one. [...]

  • http://tradejim.com/who-the-hell-is-enrolling-in-journalism-school-right-now/ Trade Jim News » Blog Archive » Who the Hell Is Enrolling in Journalism School Right Now?

    [...] I’m not only gainfully employed, but have managed to make more money every year the industry has declined all around me. I’ve had the privilege of writing one book, and I’m mid-way through another one. [...]

  • http://www.charged.co.za/latest-news/who-the-hell-is-enrolling-in-journalism-school-right-now Who the Hell Is Enrolling in Journalism School Right Now? | CHARGED’s Digital Lifestyle at Work or Play

    [...] I’m not only gainfully employed, but have managed to make more money every year the industry has declined all around me. I’ve had the privilege of writing one book, and I’m mid-way through another one. [...]

  • http://medianewsnow.wordpress.com/2009/04/08/1035/ media news now

    [...] some of the AP’s supporters – and a fair number of its enemies – are framing the drama as a debate over the future of the newspaper. Except of course, that [...]

  • Dustin Coupal

    Let me pitch this idea:

    I want to start a new business. I will gather up a team of journalists, editors, photographers and they will toil all day long to gather information on the current news. Then another team will work into the wee hours of the morning to pump ink onto miles and miles of precious news print. Then tons and tons of newspapers will be distributed one at a time to doorsteps across the USA…all so you can wake up in the morning and read “Yesterdays News”.

    Any investors?

    Print media is dead or dying..it is inevitable.

  • http://www.elearnspace.org/blog/2009/04/08/just-cant-get-enough-of-newspapers/ Just can’t get enough of newspapers – elearnspace

    [...] again, I return to the plight of newspapers. Death wheeze of newspapers explores the challenge newspapers face between being open (wanting Google to index their content so [...]

  • http://grantmeaccess.com/?p=326 Take your ball and go home | grant_me_access

    [...] That whining sound you hear is the death wheeze of newspapers [...]

  • Keaver

    you want to see the future of newspapers? at least local ones. Check out westseattleblog.com
    It’s a local blog that has a rabid following among the west seattle folks. It publishes constantly. updates stories as they break. follows up on old stories and just generally does a service to the community it’s in. And it has a business model that works. People do buy advertising on that site because it drives business.

  • Snow Crash

    So this site http://www.poynter.org is a news aggregator site focusing on news primarily about newspapers (but other media too). In particular most articles I see on the site are focused on the hard times the newspaper industry faces. They seem sympathetic to the newspapers.

    They also include a few sentences or paragraph of the linked article.

    So would media go after an aggregator site friendly to their plight, or just selective aggregators?

    Very slippery slope if you ask me.

  • Mike Murdoch
  • http://derdon.wordpress.com/2009/04/09/deutsche-printpresse-lauft-berserk/ Deutsche Printpresse läuft berserk « Der Don

    [...] That Whining Sound You Hear Is The Death Wheeze Of Newspapers [...]

  • http://ciberjornalismo.com/pontomedia/?p=3310 A pieira da morte dos jornais : Ponto Media

    [...] SOBRE AS tristes intenções da Associated Press, que acha que o Google lhe está a roubar qualquer coisa, é preciso ler este texto: That Whining Sound You Hear Is The Death Wheeze Of Newspapers. [...]

  • http://erikbowman.wordpress.com/2009/04/09/mini-msft-now-whodapunk/ Mini MSFT, now @whodapunk « Erik Bowman’s Blog

    [...] a post that TechCrunch yesterday called a "beautiful rant," Danny Sullivan compares dying news organizations’ efforts to be paid for their own content to [...]

  • http://theappsource.com/old-media-slow-to-change/   Old Media slow to change by the app source

    [...] Rarely is change easy for anybody, especially for the age old newspaper industry.  Yet even while  bankrupcies of local printings scatter accross the country they are quick to put the blame on the likes of Google for their failures. [...]

  • http://blog.redfin.com/blog/2009/04/were_all_newspapers_now.html We’re All Newspapers Now | Redfin Corporate Blog

    [...] posted an essay on TechFlash late last night discussing the implications of what TechCrunch called “Danny Sullivan’s beautiful rant.” Sullivan argues that newspapers should just opt [...]

  • http://medianewsnow.wordpress.com/2009/04/10/1083/ media news now

    [...] drew considerable fire, including blasts from Google, BusinessWeek, the Online Journalism Review, TechCrunch, and this classic broadside from Danny Sullivan at Search Engine [...]

  • http://www.thefaredge.com/?p=1936 The Far Edge » Blog Archive » Who the Hell Is Enrolling in Journalism School Right Now?

    [...] things in a recession, but taking out a student loan for a degree that won’t give an edge in a wheezing industry actually makes getting an MBA look [...]

  • new commenter

    I think there’s a real blindness exhibited here to the social utility of newspapers.

    Yes, delivery systems will have to change, but “printing hundreds of oversized sheets of paper, with ink that bleeds on your hands, and has to be hand delivered to millions of homes/business each day, and comes 12 hours after the news breaks” doesn’t strike me as necessarily such a bad thing at all.

    Contrast that with the fellow who writes about getting “News on Twitter at least a few days before the mainstream press provides it to the rest of Society.”

    That’s better? Shoot me now, please.

  • http://stevendkrause.com/2009/04/10/friday-night-link-round-up/ stevendkrause.com » Friday night link round-up

    [...] couple of good posts about the decline of the newspaper business: “That Whining Sound You Hear Is The Death Wheeze Of Newspapers” from TechCrunch, “As Newspapers Implode, Diverse Voices Move Online” from MediaShift, and “The [...]

  • http://www.betatales.com/2009/04/11/against-the-wall-fighting-to-own-the-news/ Againt the wall: Fighting to own the news | BetaTales

    [...] TechCrunch: That Whining Sound You Hear Is The Death Wheeze of Newspapers [...]

  • http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/11/does-google-really-control-the-news/ Does Google Really Control The News?

    [...] again, Google is the favorite bogeyman responsible for the rapid deterioration in the health of the news industry. This time it is Nick [...]

  • http://www.mikkelworld.com/tech/?p=228 Tech World » Does Google Really Control The News?

    [...] again, Google is the favorite bogeyman responsible for the rapid deterioration in the health of the news industry. This time it is Nick [...]

  • http://tradejim.com/does-google-really-control-the-news/ Trade Jim News » Does Google Really Control The News?

    [...] again, Google is the favorite bogeyman responsible for the rapid deterioration in the health of the news industry. This time it is Nick [...]

  • http://tech-whiz.info/does-google-really-control-the-news/ Tech Whiz Underground » Does Google Really Control The News?

    [...] again, Google is the favorite bogeyman responsible for the rapid deterioration in the health of the news industry. This time it is Nick [...]

  • http://reviewsmanual.com/does-google-really-control-the-news.html Does Google Really Control The News? | Reviews Manual

    [...] again, Google is the favorite bogeyman answerable for the rapid deterioration in the upbeat of the programme industry. This happening it [...]

  • http://yodspica.eu/yodspica_blog/2009/04/12/does-google-really-control-the-news/ Does Google Really Control The News? | Blog YODspica Ltd

    [...] is the favorite bogeyman responsible for the rapid deterioration in the health of the news industry. Describing Google as [...]

  • http://www.webdesignroma.com/News/20090412/google-news-il-controllo-really/ Google News Il controllo Really? « Web Design Roma News

    [...] una volta, Google è il preferito spauracchio responsabile per il rapido deterioramento della salute delle notizie del settore. Questa volta [...]

  • http://www.webolia.com/2009/04/does-google-really-control-the-news/ Does Google Really Control The News? – webolia | news for web geeks

    [...] again, Google is the favorite bogeyman responsible for the rapid deterioration in the health of the news industry. This time it is Nick [...]

  • http://shankarsoma.wordpress.com/2009/04/13/does-google-really-control-the-news/ Does Google Really Control The News! « shankarsoma; Change the View

    [...] again, Google is the favorite bogeyman responsible for the rapid deterioration in the health of the news industry. This time it is Nick [...]

  • http://www.digitalmediabuzz.com/2009/04/does-google-really-control-the-news/ Digital Media Buzz – Does Google Really Control The News? | Digital Media Buzz

    [...] again, Google is the favorite bogeyman responsible for the rapid deterioration in the health of the news industry. This time it is Nick [...]

  • http://www.thefaredge.com/?p=2102 The Far Edge » Blog Archive » Does Google Really Control The News?

    [...] again, Google is the favorite bogeyman responsible for the rapid deterioration in the health of the news industry. This time it is Nick [...]

  • http://varha.com/intriguing-cleavage/the-death-wheeze-of-newspapers/ The Death Wheeze of Newspapers | Varha.com | Markus Varha

    [...] on the topic of printed media, TechCrunch posted an article titled That Whining Sound You Hear Is The Death Wheeze Of Newspapers. It is a very interesting look on the current clashing of the offline and the online. It talks on [...]

  • http://blog.enekretnine.com/2009/04/sve-gore-i-gore-za-novine/ Sve gore i gore za novine : enekretnine

    [...] izgubili 7.5 milijadri dolara i sve češće druge krive za to. U članku pod naslovom “That Whining Sound You Hear Is The Death Wheeze Of Newspapers” (Kuknjava, pritužbe koje čujete su samrtni ropac novina) autor Erick Schonfeld prenosi [...]

  • http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/06/next09-video-interview-what-would-jeff-jarvis-do/ Next09 Video Interview: What Would Jeff Jarvis Do?

    [...] published book – What Would Google Do? -, his views on the traditional media industry and their current struggles as well as his profound love for TechCrunch (aye, [...]

  • http://www.upoff.com/2009/05/06/next09-video-interview-what-would-jeff-jarvis-do/ Next09 Video Interview: What Would Jeff Jarvis Do? | UpOff.com

    [...] published book – What Would Google Do? -, his views on the traditional media industry and their current struggles as well as his profound love for TechCrunch (aye, [...]

  • http://newsfed.net/2009/05/06/next09-video-interview-what-would-jeff-jarvis-do/ Next09 Video Interview: What Would Jeff Jarvis Do? | Newsfed – All local news fed to you in one place

    [...] published book – What Would Google Do? -, his views on the traditional media industry and their current struggles as well as his profound love for TechCrunch (aye, [...]

  • http://blog.viningmedia.nl/2009/05/next09-video-interview-what-would-jeff-jarvis-do/ Next09 Video Interview: What Would Jeff Jarvis Do? | Viningmedia Nieuws

    [...] published book – What Would Google Do? -, his views on the traditional media industry and their current struggles as well as his profound love for TechCrunch (aye, [...]

  • http://www.thefaredge.com/?p=3282 The Far Edge » Blog Archive » Next09 Video Interview: What Would Jeff Jarvis Do?

    [...] published book – What Would Google Do? -, his views on the traditional media industry and their current struggles as well as his profound love for TechCrunch (aye, [...]

  • http://www.thefaredge.com/?p=3282 The Far Edge » Blog Archive » Next09 Video Interview: What Would Jeff Jarvis Do?

    [...] published book – What Would Google Do? -, his views on the traditional media industry and their current struggles as well as his profound love for TechCrunch (aye, [...]

  • http://asynchron.net/2009/05/what-would-google-do/ Jeff Jarvis about his Book: What Would Google Do? | Asynchron

    [...] Robin Wauters of TechCrunch fame yesterday did an interview with the indisputable star of the next conference, Jeff Jarvis about his book – What Would Google Do? – and his views on the traditional media industry and their current struggles. [...]

  • http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/02/from-terrible-to-terrifying-newspaper-ad-sales-plummet-26-billion-in-first-quarter/ From Terrible To Terrifying: Newspaper Ad Sales Plummet $2.6 Billion In Q1 2009

    [...] yet somehow, I fear newspapers haven’t even seen the bottom of the barrel yet. Tweet [...]

  • http://www.convergemagazine.com.br/?p=3560 Publicidade nos jornais: a perda é muito maior do que se pensava, aponta estudo | Converge Magazine

    [...] And yet somehow, I fear newspapers haven’t even seen the bottom of the barrel ye [...]

  • http://jp.techcrunch.com/archives/20090407that-whining-sound-you-hear-is-the-death-wheeze-of-newspapers/ 聞こえてくるあの泣き言は、新聞の死のあえぎ

    [...] [原文へ] [...]

  • http://www.stoth.com/2009/06/28/how-to-save-the-newspapers-vol-xii-outlaw-linking/ How To Save The Newspapers, Vol. XII: Outlaw Linking | Stoth

    [...] all the misguided schemes put forth lately to save newspapers (micropayments! blame Google!), the one put forth by Judge Richard Posner has to be the most jaw-dropping. He suggests that [...]

  • http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/28/how-to-save-the-newspapers-vol-xii-outlaw-linking/ How To Save The Newspapers, Vol. XII: Outlaw Linking

    [...] all the misguided schemes put forth lately to save newspapers (micropayments! blame Google!), the one put forth by Judge Richard Posner has to be the most jaw-dropping. He suggests that [...]

  • http://www.lsdi.it/2009/07/02/paralizzare-il-web-per-salvare-i-giornali/ LSDI : Paralizzare il Web per salvare i giornali?

    [...] una vetrina vitale proprio per i grandi siti editoriali; una vetrina dalla quale, oltretutto, sarebbe fin troppo facile uscire (bastano pochi accorgimenti tecnici), correndo però il rischio di vedere il proprio traffico [...]

  • http://www.ilretegiornale.it/2009/07/02/paralizzare-il-web-per-salvare-i-giornali/ Il ReteGiornale – la Tua Voce in Rete» Libertà d’informazione » Paralizzare il Web per salvare i giornali?

    [...] una vetrina vitale proprio per i grandi siti editoriali; una vetrina dalla quale, oltretutto, sarebbe fin troppo facile uscire (bastano pochi accorgimenti tecnici), correndo però il rischio di vedere il proprio traffico [...]

  • http://www.stoth.com/2009/07/07/small-newspapers-may-be-able-to-prolong-death-longer-than-large-counterparts/ Small Newspapers May Be Able To Prolong Death Longer Than Large Counterparts | Stoth

    [...] declines at all newspapers.  And while death may be slower for the little guys, it’s still imminent. Crunch Network: CrunchBase the free database of technology companies, people, and [...]

  • http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/08/16/the-media-bundle-is-dead-long-live-the-news-aggregators/ The Media Bundle Is Dead, Long Live The News Aggregators

    [...] we go again. The newspaper industry is blaming online news aggregators for its dwindling profits and inability [...]

  • http://aparece.ro/general/tech/the-media-bundle-is-dead-long-live-the-news-aggregators.html The Media Bundle Is Dead, Long Live The News Aggregators -> ApaRece

    [...] we go again. The newspaper industry is blaming online news aggregators for its dwindling profits and inability [...]

  • http://www.anthonyrobinson.info/?p=1149 The Media Bundle Is Dead, Long Live The News Aggregators | Anthonyrobinson.info

    [...] we go again. The newspaper industry is blaming online news aggregators for its dwindling profits and inability [...]

  • http://www.techdare.com/2009/08/16/the-media-bundle-is-dead-long-live-the-news-aggregators/ The Media Bundle Is Dead, Long Live The News Aggregators | Techdare

    [...] we go again. The newspaper industry is blaming online news aggregators for its dwindling profits and inability [...]

  • http://www.casey-computing.com/the-media-bundle-is-dead-long-live-the-news-aggregators/ Casey-Computing and Technology » The Media Bundle Is Dead, Long Live The News Aggregators

    [...] we go again. The newspaper industry is blaming online news aggregators for its dwindling profits and inability [...]

  • http://www.stoth.com/2009/08/16/the-media-bundle-is-dead-long-live-the-news-aggregators/ The Media Bundle Is Dead, Long Live The News Aggregators | Stoth

    [...] we go again. The newspaper industry is blaming online news aggregators for its dwindling profits and inability [...]

  • http://spinvalleypost.com/2009/08/16/the-media-bundle-is-dead-long-live-the-news-aggregators/ The Media Bundle Is Dead, Long Live The News Aggregators | Spin Valley Post

    [...] we go again. The newspaper industry is blaming online news aggregators for its dwindling profits and inability [...]

  • http://cellphoneultra.com/the-media-bundle-is-dead-long-live-the-news-aggregators/ The Media Bundle Is Dead, distant Live The News Aggregators | Cellphone Ultra

    [...] we go again. The newspaper industry is blaming online news aggregators for its dwindling profits and inability [...]

  • http://www.scoopernews.com/the-media-bundle-is-dead-long-live-the-news-aggregators/ The Media Bundle Is Dead, Long Live The News Aggregators | ScooperNews.com

    [...] we go again. The newspaper industry is blaming online news aggregators for its dwindling profits and inability [...]

  • http://geek.topnewsdigest.com/uncategorized/the-media-bundle-is-dead-long-live-the-news-aggregators/ The Media Bundle Is Dead, Long Live The News Aggregators | Geek News and Musings

    [...] we go again. The newspaper industry is blaming online news aggregators for its dwindling profits and inability [...]

  • http://www.neurosoftware.ro/programming-blog/blogposter/web-resources/the-media-bundle-is-dead-long-live-the-news-aggregators/ The Media Bundle Is Dead, Long Live The News Aggregators – Programming Blog

    [...] we go again. The newspaper industry is blaming online news aggregators for its dwindling profits and inability [...]

  • http://www.dreamnest.in/technology/the-media-bundle-is-dead-long-live-the-news-aggregators.html The Media Bundle Is Dead, Long Live The News Aggregators | Technology

    [...] we go again. The newspaper industry is blaming online news aggregators for its dwindling profits and inability [...]

  • http://www.emediaone.net/index.php/2009/08/16/the-media-bundle-is-dead-long-live-the-news-aggregators/ The Media Bundle Is Dead, Long Live The News Aggregators | eMediaOne

    [...] we go again. The newspaper industry is blaming online news aggregators for its dwindling profits and inability [...]

  • http://articlesave.com/2009/08/17/3952/the-media-bundle-is-dead-long-live-the-news-aggregators/ ArticleSave :: Uncategorized :: The Media Bundle Is Dead, Long Live The News Aggregators

    [...] we go again. The newspaper industry is blaming online news aggregators for its dwindling profits and inability [...]

  • http://www.thefaredge.com/?p=8637 The Far Edge » Blog Archive » The Media Bundle Is Dead, Long Live The News Aggregators

    [...] we go again. The newspaper industry is blaming online news aggregators for its dwindling profits and inability [...]

  • http://www.thefaredge.com/?p=8637 The Far Edge » Blog Archive » The Media Bundle Is Dead, Long Live The News Aggregators

    [...] we go again. The newspaper industry is blaming online news aggregators for its dwindling profits and inability [...]

  • http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/10/09/you-can-ignore-the-aps-bluster-it-is-just-a-negotiating-bluff/ You Can Ignore The AP’s Bluster. It Is Just A Negotiating Bluff.

    [...] “aggregators,” “plagiarists,” and “kelptomaniacs.” It is a tired refrain, and self-serving from someone who now wants to charge for online contenet. News organizations need [...]

  • http://excapite.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/if-you-think-the-internet-is-responsible-for-the-decline-in-newspapers-you-are-wrong/ If you think the internet is responsible for the decline in newspapers you are wrong « excapite

    [...] Techcrunch The death wheeze of newspapers [...]

  • http://nailbitr.wordpress.com/2009/11/05/another-one-bites-the-dust/ Another one bites the dust « The Mind of a Nail Bitr

    [...] everyone has their own opinion on the current state of newspapers came to be from Clay Shirky to TechCrunch to the Digital Journalist and every blogger in [...]

  • http://re-aktion.dk/blog/2009/11/googles-adgang-til-at-indeksere-indhold-og-den-fri-adgang-til-information-pa-internettet/ RE:aktion » Blog arkiv » Googles adgang til at indeksere indhold og den fri adgang til information på Internettet

    [...] udgangspunktet er forkert. Erick Schonfeld har i en artikel fra april 2009 skrevet, at Google News, Yahoo News og andre aggregatorere ikke er selve nyhederne, men blot [...]

  • http://joespake.com/2009/04/13/real-estate-news-you-dont-see-in-the-news-this-weeks-real-estate-news-from-the-cutting-edge-april-132009/ Real Estate news you don't see in the news -This Week's Real Estate News from The Cutting Edge – April 13,2009 | JoeSpake.com

    [...] Finders Series: Y.I.M.S. Blog Thursday at 8:13 am – blog.sellsiusrealestate.com -That Whining Sound You Hear Is The Death Wheeze Of Newspapers April 7 at 6:47 pm – techcrunch.com -Memphis Real Estate 2.0 – Joe Spake Don’t [...]

blog comments powered by Disqus
Advertisement
Got a tip? Building a startup? Tell us