Comments on: The Open Process http://techcrunch.com/2009/02/12/the-open-process/ Startup and Technology News Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:03:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Structured Methods › links for 2009-03-29 http://techcrunch.com/2009/02/12/the-open-process/#comment-6442 Sun, 29 Mar 2009 18:02:33 +0000 http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=1606#comment-6442 [...] The Open Process A common gambit in the open standards arena is the invite-only event. This is where a group of developers, marketing types, and entrepreneurs decide the time is right to codify their work in a momentum play. Such a moment presented itself this week when an OpenID UI event was held at the Facebook offices in Palo Alto. (tags: OpenID open_process standards_development) This was written by Chuck Allen. Posted on Sunday, March 29, 2009, at 10:02 am. Filed under Uncategorized. Bookmark the permalink. Follow comments here with the RSS feed. Post a comment or leave a trackback. [...]

]]> By: Structured Methods › links for 2009-03-29 http://techcrunch.com/2009/02/12/the-open-process/#comment-19764 Sun, 29 Mar 2009 18:02:33 +0000 http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=1606#comment-19764 [...] The Open Process A common gambit in the open standards arena is the invite-only event. This is where a group of developers, marketing types, and entrepreneurs decide the time is right to codify their work in a momentum play. Such a moment presented itself this week when an OpenID UI event was held at the Facebook offices in Palo Alto. (tags: OpenID open_process standards_development) This was written by Chuck Allen. Posted on Sunday, March 29, 2009, at 10:02 am. Filed under Uncategorized. Bookmark the permalink. Follow comments here with the RSS feed. Post a comment or leave a trackback. [...]

]]> By: Steve Gillmor http://techcrunch.com/2009/02/12/the-open-process/#comment-6441 Sat, 14 Feb 2009 07:17:29 +0000 http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=1606#comment-6441 You confirm my suspicion. I understand your concerns about gathering talent, but you’ve damaged your credibility needlessly here. When challenged, others respond with accommodation; you with “somewhat” purposeful abrasion. I support your efforts and goals, but have trouble with your methods. Call it hubris if you want, I’ll call it concern about a talented leader who needs to listen a bit more when he wraps his efforts in the mantle of openness and is challenged publicly to walk the walk.

]]> By: Steve Gillmor http://techcrunch.com/2009/02/12/the-open-process/#comment-19763 Sat, 14 Feb 2009 07:17:29 +0000 http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=1606#comment-19763 You confirm my suspicion. I understand your concerns about gathering talent, but you’ve damaged your credibility needlessly here. When challenged, others respond with accommodation; you with “somewhat” purposeful abrasion. I support your efforts and goals, but have trouble with your methods. Call it hubris if you want, I’ll call it concern about a talented leader who needs to listen a bit more when he wraps his efforts in the mantle of openness and is challenged publicly to walk the walk.

]]> By: Chris Messina http://techcrunch.com/2009/02/12/the-open-process/#comment-6440 Sat, 14 Feb 2009 00:45:16 +0000 http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=1606#comment-6440 Steve, thanks for your thoughts.

I think your paraphrasing of my previous statement is misleading. If my comments seemed abrasive, they were somewhat meant to be, owing to previous experience (not specifically, but generally). This was not a closed event (as was publicly stated: anyone who requested an invite was given one — if anything, this was to help us gauge attendance, since so many people sign up to “open list” events and never show up), but we had very specific goals that required people with certain skills and experiences, and we wanted to encourage them to come.

Certainly there is a time for utter openness and complete inclusiveness (largely when exploring the boundaries of a space or looking for open conversation) and a time to get focused with the people who actually have the most relevant experience to bring to bear on given problem.

I am adamant about improving the user experience of OpenID — one of the most-cited criticisms of the protocol. As design tends to be a subjective art, having a lot of folks who have not implemented OpenID involved in the conversation would indeed introduce noise, and would slow down the process. It’s bad enough that recruiting designers into “open stack” conversations is hard enough on the face of it — it’s worse when conversations devolve into religious wars about formats and protocols that designers have no interest in. The friction that I put up around this event was only intended to hone the conversation, not make it exclusive.

I should also point out that the results of the event are now widely available:

http://tr.im/fj_openidux

We’re eager to open up the conversation around what we came up with and move forward.

While I’m certainly sensitive to concerns about being open or closed, I think that you’re off base here. If you requested access and were denied, that’s one thing. If you attempted to attend the event and were turned away, that’s something. If you attempted to watch the live stream of the event and you couldn’t, there was a problem.

But if you only flung suspicion and hubris from afar and didn’t even bother to try to attend the event, then I’m sorry, but you’ve undermined your point.

]]> By: Chris Messina http://techcrunch.com/2009/02/12/the-open-process/#comment-19762 Sat, 14 Feb 2009 00:45:16 +0000 http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=1606#comment-19762 Steve, thanks for your thoughts.

I think your paraphrasing of my previous statement is misleading. If my comments seemed abrasive, they were somewhat meant to be, owing to previous experience (not specifically, but generally). This was not a closed event (as was publicly stated: anyone who requested an invite was given one — if anything, this was to help us gauge attendance, since so many people sign up to “open list” events and never show up), but we had very specific goals that required people with certain skills and experiences, and we wanted to encourage them to come.

Certainly there is a time for utter openness and complete inclusiveness (largely when exploring the boundaries of a space or looking for open conversation) and a time to get focused with the people who actually have the most relevant experience to bring to bear on given problem.

I am adamant about improving the user experience of OpenID — one of the most-cited criticisms of the protocol. As design tends to be a subjective art, having a lot of folks who have not implemented OpenID involved in the conversation would indeed introduce noise, and would slow down the process. It’s bad enough that recruiting designers into “open stack” conversations is hard enough on the face of it — it’s worse when conversations devolve into religious wars about formats and protocols that designers have no interest in. The friction that I put up around this event was only intended to hone the conversation, not make it exclusive.

I should also point out that the results of the event are now widely available:

http://tr.im/fj_openidux

We’re eager to open up the conversation around what we came up with and move forward.

While I’m certainly sensitive to concerns about being open or closed, I think that you’re off base here. If you requested access and were denied, that’s one thing. If you attempted to attend the event and were turned away, that’s something. If you attempted to watch the live stream of the event and you couldn’t, there was a problem.

But if you only flung suspicion and hubris from afar and didn’t even bother to try to attend the event, then I’m sorry, but you’ve undermined your point.

]]> By: OpenID Summit Recap with Facebook’s Dave Morin and Luke Shepard « The Real McCrea http://techcrunch.com/2009/02/12/the-open-process/#comment-6439 Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:25:17 +0000 http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=1606#comment-6439 [...] Shepard. We recap the historic OpenID UX Design Summit, including what some are calling the “92% Demo” of the Plaxo/Google two-click signup experiment [...]

]]> By: OpenID Summit Recap with Facebook’s Dave Morin and Luke Shepard « The Real McCrea http://techcrunch.com/2009/02/12/the-open-process/#comment-19761 Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:25:17 +0000 http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=1606#comment-19761 [...] Shepard. We recap the historic OpenID UX Design Summit, including what some are calling the “92% Demo” of the Plaxo/Google two-click signup experiment [...]

]]> By: NGO India http://techcrunch.com/2009/02/12/the-open-process/#comment-6438 Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:34:14 +0000 http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=1606#comment-6438 Ok this was good information

]]> By: NGO India http://techcrunch.com/2009/02/12/the-open-process/#comment-19760 Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:34:14 +0000 http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=1606#comment-19760 Ok this was good information

]]> By: Steve Gillmor http://techcrunch.com/2009/02/12/the-open-process/#comment-6437 Fri, 13 Feb 2009 07:07:33 +0000 http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=1606#comment-6437 I stand by my post. If that diminishes my credibility, I welcome it.

]]> By: Steve Gillmor http://techcrunch.com/2009/02/12/the-open-process/#comment-19759 Fri, 13 Feb 2009 07:07:33 +0000 http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=1606#comment-19759 I stand by my post. If that diminishes my credibility, I welcome it.

]]> By: scott http://techcrunch.com/2009/02/12/the-open-process/#comment-6436 Fri, 13 Feb 2009 06:51:32 +0000 http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=1606#comment-6436 Dave Winer and Marc Canter should be left out of the loop. They are only interested in promoting themselves and don’t give a crap about or even understand what the community they pretend to serve are interested in accomplishing. Stop kissing their irrelevant asses. It really diminishes your credibility.

]]> By: scott http://techcrunch.com/2009/02/12/the-open-process/#comment-19758 Fri, 13 Feb 2009 06:51:32 +0000 http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=1606#comment-19758 Dave Winer and Marc Canter should be left out of the loop. They are only interested in promoting themselves and don’t give a crap about or even understand what the community they pretend to serve are interested in accomplishing. Stop kissing their irrelevant asses. It really diminishes your credibility.

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