Comments on: Escape the browser? http://techcrunch.com/2008/12/06/escape-the-browser/ Startup and Technology News Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:03:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: The case for Web apps « Karl’s Blog http://techcrunch.com/2008/12/06/escape-the-browser/#comment-4878 Sat, 31 Jan 2009 00:47:46 +0000 http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=865#comment-4878 [...] vendors call the shots. Recently, Sun Microsystems CEO Jonathan Schwartz described the browser as “hostile territory” for independent developers. It’s a world divided between giants, he said, with [...]

]]> By: The case for Web apps « Karl’s Blog http://techcrunch.com/2008/12/06/escape-the-browser/#comment-18200 Sat, 31 Jan 2009 00:47:46 +0000 http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=865#comment-18200 [...] vendors call the shots. Recently, Sun Microsystems CEO Jonathan Schwartz described the browser as “hostile territory” for independent developers. It’s a world divided between giants, he said, with [...]

]]> By: Greg http://techcrunch.com/2008/12/06/escape-the-browser/#comment-4877 Fri, 26 Dec 2008 06:27:31 +0000 http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=865#comment-4877 Sun took far far too long to engage in this space and quite frankly the vast majority of those that could have moved on. Its only those who are still clinging to wanting to do EVERYTHING in Java without having to learn a new language or platform that are still an audience for JavaFX and quite frankly those people aren’t the early adopters and such that will make the types of innovative apps necessary for JavaFX to rise above the noise of Flex and Silverlight.

Sun would do well to find a better business model than “if we make it, eventually we’ll find a way to make money on it” because that model died in the 90s with most of the customers that Sun made its fortune on.

]]> By: Greg http://techcrunch.com/2008/12/06/escape-the-browser/#comment-18199 Fri, 26 Dec 2008 06:27:31 +0000 http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=865#comment-18199 Sun took far far too long to engage in this space and quite frankly the vast majority of those that could have moved on. Its only those who are still clinging to wanting to do EVERYTHING in Java without having to learn a new language or platform that are still an audience for JavaFX and quite frankly those people aren’t the early adopters and such that will make the types of innovative apps necessary for JavaFX to rise above the noise of Flex and Silverlight.

Sun would do well to find a better business model than “if we make it, eventually we’ll find a way to make money on it” because that model died in the 90s with most of the customers that Sun made its fortune on.

]]> By: rd http://techcrunch.com/2008/12/06/escape-the-browser/#comment-4876 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:10:55 +0000 http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=865#comment-4876 So JavaFX is not on the iphone …big F’ing deal !! Maybe you should get out of the affluent parts of the united states and check out how popular the iphone adoption is. You will get your answer. There is a world out there which couldnt care less about iphones.

]]> By: rd http://techcrunch.com/2008/12/06/escape-the-browser/#comment-18198 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:10:55 +0000 http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=865#comment-18198 So JavaFX is not on the iphone …big F’ing deal !! Maybe you should get out of the affluent parts of the united states and check out how popular the iphone adoption is. You will get your answer. There is a world out there which couldnt care less about iphones.

]]> By: Ohad http://techcrunch.com/2008/12/06/escape-the-browser/#comment-4875 Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:32:54 +0000 http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=865#comment-4875 I agree with most of your insights re. Safari and Firefox, but these Browsers are still a long way from being full fledged Application-Platforms.

The existing paradigm of the browser is still, well, browsing. Applications like Site-Specific-Browsers and newer browsers like Chrome take that extra step that redefines how web-applications can be used.

]]> By: Ohad http://techcrunch.com/2008/12/06/escape-the-browser/#comment-18197 Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:32:54 +0000 http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=865#comment-18197 I agree with most of your insights re. Safari and Firefox, but these Browsers are still a long way from being full fledged Application-Platforms.

The existing paradigm of the browser is still, well, browsing. Applications like Site-Specific-Browsers and newer browsers like Chrome take that extra step that redefines how web-applications can be used.

]]> By: Joe http://techcrunch.com/2008/12/06/escape-the-browser/#comment-4874 Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:52:39 +0000 http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=865#comment-4874 > Problem with Sun is they don’t really participate in open source, so they are on the outside looking in. This is why Microsoft really has the lead,

Oh please. Java is open source you idiot. Sun has a long history of supporting the open source community. What Microsoft has done pales into insignificance.

]]> By: Joe http://techcrunch.com/2008/12/06/escape-the-browser/#comment-18196 Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:52:39 +0000 http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=865#comment-18196 > Problem with Sun is they don’t really participate in open source, so they are on the outside looking in. This is why Microsoft really has the lead,

Oh please. Java is open source you idiot. Sun has a long history of supporting the open source community. What Microsoft has done pales into insignificance.

]]> By: Magnetic Separator http://techcrunch.com/2008/12/06/escape-the-browser/#comment-4873 Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:00:23 +0000 http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=865#comment-4873 It looks really a superbe-simplification of the java language geared for gui productivity.

]]> By: Magnetic Separator http://techcrunch.com/2008/12/06/escape-the-browser/#comment-18195 Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:00:23 +0000 http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=865#comment-18195 It looks really a superbe-simplification of the java language geared for gui productivity.

]]> By: bob pellham http://techcrunch.com/2008/12/06/escape-the-browser/#comment-4872 Tue, 09 Dec 2008 03:43:55 +0000 http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=865#comment-4872 Why on earth should Sun give a crap about two bit retailers like NewEgg and Tiger Direct? I order direct from Sun, I get the kit I want through their trial programs, and avoid the pimply faced kid at the retailer.

Besides, NewEgg and TigerDirect are both headed to bankruptcy. You must be one of their employees.

]]> By: bob pellham http://techcrunch.com/2008/12/06/escape-the-browser/#comment-18194 Tue, 09 Dec 2008 03:43:55 +0000 http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=865#comment-18194 Why on earth should Sun give a crap about two bit retailers like NewEgg and Tiger Direct? I order direct from Sun, I get the kit I want through their trial programs, and avoid the pimply faced kid at the retailer.

Besides, NewEgg and TigerDirect are both headed to bankruptcy. You must be one of their employees.

]]> By: Smart http://techcrunch.com/2008/12/06/escape-the-browser/#comment-4871 Mon, 08 Dec 2008 09:18:57 +0000 http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=865#comment-4871 Sure, the browser is a limitation — but its about the users!

Adobe Flash has this game won with 98% market control. If any company is going to have any chance to compete at all, its going to Microsoft and its billions.

Sun is over-reaching and proves again that they are irrelevant to consumers.

]]> By: Smart http://techcrunch.com/2008/12/06/escape-the-browser/#comment-18193 Mon, 08 Dec 2008 09:18:57 +0000 http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=865#comment-18193 Sure, the browser is a limitation — but its about the users!

Adobe Flash has this game won with 98% market control. If any company is going to have any chance to compete at all, its going to Microsoft and its billions.

Sun is over-reaching and proves again that they are irrelevant to consumers.

]]> By: Peter Pell http://techcrunch.com/2008/12/06/escape-the-browser/#comment-4870 Mon, 08 Dec 2008 05:38:24 +0000 http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=865#comment-4870 Java losing share on the back end? What? You must work at like a shoe store or something. Just about 100% of the next generation transactional systems are running it, with more every day. SQL Server’s dying, MySQL’s rising, so is tomcat, etc.

]]> By: Peter Pell http://techcrunch.com/2008/12/06/escape-the-browser/#comment-18192 Mon, 08 Dec 2008 05:38:24 +0000 http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=865#comment-18192 Java losing share on the back end? What? You must work at like a shoe store or something. Just about 100% of the next generation transactional systems are running it, with more every day. SQL Server’s dying, MySQL’s rising, so is tomcat, etc.

]]> By: Eric Manas http://techcrunch.com/2008/12/06/escape-the-browser/#comment-4869 Mon, 08 Dec 2008 04:51:53 +0000 http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=865#comment-4869 Problem with Sun is they don’t really participate in open source, so they are on the outside looking in. This is why Microsoft really has the lead, they’ve extended the oliver branch with Silverlight, and are making serious inroads. I’m seeing tremendous pickup, especially on mobile.

]]> By: Eric Manas http://techcrunch.com/2008/12/06/escape-the-browser/#comment-18191 Mon, 08 Dec 2008 04:51:53 +0000 http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=865#comment-18191 Problem with Sun is they don’t really participate in open source, so they are on the outside looking in. This is why Microsoft really has the lead, they’ve extended the oliver branch with Silverlight, and are making serious inroads. I’m seeing tremendous pickup, especially on mobile.

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