Facebook May Be Growing Too Fast. And Hitting The Capital Markets Again.
Michael Arrington
Oct 31, 2008

When Facebook raised $240 million from Microsoft in 2007, and another $235 million in debt and equity in 2008, everyone thought they had plenty of cash to get through their big growth phase. With that kind of cash, the company could hire as many people as it needed to and not worry about profitability or going public until at least 2009, as board member Jim Breyer said in 2007.

But a confluence of factors may be conspiring to throw those assumptions out the window and force Facebook back to the capital markets much earlier than they originally planned. We’ve heard from multiple sources that they are testing the capital markets right now, in fact, and may be considering a near term capital raise at terms that could be much more favorable to investors than the previous $15 billion round that Microsoft kicked off in October 2007.

Facebook Is Growing, But So Are Costs

There’s no doubt that Facebook is growing at a breathtaking pace. A year ago, according to Comscore, they had just 74 million unique monthly visitors and 35 billion page views. Today those numbers have grown by 118% and 74%, respectively, to 161 million unique visitors and 61 billion page views per month.

Facebook’s growth, thanks to all these user-created translated versions of the site, has probably exceeded even their own internal projections. And running this engine isn’t cheap.

The company is likely spending well over a $1 million per month on electricity alone, say experts we’ve spoken with. Bandwidth is likely another $500,000 or more per month on top of that. The company has earmarked $100 million to buy 50,000 servers this year and next. And sources say they’ve been buying one NetApp 3070 storage system per week just to keep up with all this user generated content. At up to $2 million each, that adds up quickly – we’ve heard estimates that they may have spent as much as $30 million this year alone with the company. And the icing on the cake – earmark another $15 million per year in office and datacenter rent payments.

And don’t forget those human assets. With 750 employees and growing, Facebook is spending at least another $10 million per month on payroll.

It costs a couple of hundred million dollars a year just to keep the lights on at Facebook. But the real problem is keeping up with growth, particularly storage needs. Add another $100 million or more per year for capital expenditures, and you’ve got a company that’s doing exactly the opposite of printing money.

So How ‘Bout Those Revenues?

eMarketer estimates $265 million in revenue for Facebook in 2008. That’s great, right? Well, not really. The company is still losing money – lots of it – at current revenues. And it’s not clear that revenue will grow as robustly as costs.

Most of Facebook’s growth is outside of the U.S. A year ago, according to Comscore, Facebook had 31 million U.S. visitors, about 42% of the total. Today, U.S. visitors have grown to just 41 million.

19 million live in Africa and the Middle East. 26 million are in Asia. Europe, with 48 million Facebook users, has a larger share than the U.S. Another 16 million are in Latin America.

Just one in four Facebook users come from the U.S. today.

As we wrote last summer, most of these international users can’t be monetized today. And to make things worse, bandwidth costs in those countries is generally much higher than the U.S. So the users cost more, and they don’t bring in any revenue.

That international growth might be ok if U.S. growth remained strong. But the U.S. market just seems to be tapped at this point, and gaining market share from MySpace is a battle. As we wrote in August, at current growth rates it will take Facebook 18 years to overtake MySpace in the U.S.

Uh Oh, The Economy

So costs are skyrocketing, and revenues can’t keep up. Ok, But Facebook still has plenty of money, right?

Wrong.

The economy isn’t looking so hot, and it may get worse. If revenues don’t grow substantially, the company’s runway of cash gets much shorter. 2008 revenues are likely $100 million less than the company anticipated a year ago. If the economic train really derails, Facebook could be in big trouble.

A big chunk, probably a majority, of the roughly $500 million the company has raised is already gone. Even more will be spent next year, particularly if international growth rates remain constant (and there is lots and lots of room to grow internationally). Facebook could be down to just a year’s worth of cash at this point, with no IPO horizon in sight.

And even if they have cash into 2010 (its nearly impossible to figure out exactly how much they’re burning), the economic downturn is likely to be much, much worse than they anticipated. If they don’t grab the money now, it may not be available later on.

Which Explains Why CFO Gideon Yu Is In Dubai

Sources have told us that Facebook CFO Gideon Yu was in Dubai this week, possibly meeting with Dubai International Capital, exploring fundraising options.

U.S. investors, including VCs and hedge funds, aren’t interested or aren’t able to invest at the valuation Facebook expects. That leaves Sovereign Wealth Funds as the only viable funding solution. And the window to get money from them may fast be closing, too.

Which explains why Facebook may be looking for money sooner rather than later. If they don’t raise a big chunk of money now from someone who’ll pay whatever it takes to own a piece of Facebook, there may be a heavily dilutive down-valuation round for Facebook in the next 12-18 months.

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  • CARversation.com

    It might be just the economy

  • http://allaboutthebetas.tv Tony C. Hall

    I have a question. Facebook has been around for a few years and very well might be reaching it peak. If a company with that many users/uniques can’t be profitable, why keep pouring money into it without a business model change. Is there not a concern that the next big thing will come around and people will begin to leave facebook? Just asking.

  • http://andrew.chalkley.org Andrew Chalkley

    They should build it on Rails 2.2. They’ll only need one server :P

  • http://techmytongue.blogspot.com Venkat from India

    I dont care if people move out of facebook or not, but where the hell is the money going to come from?? I dont really think what they earn from ads is gona be enough to sustain something as big as this!

  • http://techmytongue.blogspot.com Venkat from India

    @Andrew: They should build it on Rails 2.2. They’ll only need one server :P

    IS it really possible?

  • http://www.locomi.com Ravi Bhushan

    Wondering if you could link to the place where you got these figures “Facebook has 19 million users in Africa and the Middle East – 26 million are in Asia (16 million alone in India).” Especially the bit on India. Would be very helpful!

  • http://blog.pickuppal.com Eric Dewhirst

    Mike the whole can’t monetize easily all of the non NA and European users is pretty huge. That alone is pretty scary and I wonder if gaining ground early and holding onto it is worth the short term huge losses.

    This is the kind of posting that makes you go hmmmm – yeah worldwide might not be all that it is cracked up to be.

    Cool thanks – something to think about.

    Thanks – Eric

  • http://www.youbundle.com Neyma Jahansooz

    Startups are interesting beasts because they stand on a tipping point of

    monetize vs. make themselves pristine for a buyer

    ie… Facebook can Monetize better than she is right now, however in doing so they will start to look like a used up trailer park aka MySpace and that will push away the buyers for two reasons

    1 – Then it is clear that Facebook is Rev maxed and any real valuations will revolve around that like they are a “real” company. Meaning absurd valuations will not hold water because buyers will simply look at the hard numbers of rev vs. expenditure.

    2 – As soon as they start to truly monetize and throw up the ugly and aggressive ads, then they will lose the early adopter luster and their value will go down

    so they CAN monetize, but it will be at the cost of their sell-off valuation.

  • http://facereviews.com Rodney Rumford

    Mike,
    Nice analysis and thought went into this post. Well done.

    They need to ramp up the revenue asap. And the revenue might not come from traditional marketing or advertising; but rather user profiling. Facebook is awash in a sea of data of user behavior.

    Finding a way to turn that behavior data into a monetizable product/s is something that market researchers would find invaluable and pay money for.

    Let’s hope they can raise investment funds to keep the engine humming.

    Cheers!

  • http://SusieBlackmon.com Susie Blackmon

    How ’bout this. Get billed 3.47 every month… ask what it is for… get no answer… dispute 3.47, all the while paying the other monthly 3.47 charges. Facebook then blows your account off the air, won’t bill your account back the 3.47, won’t let you pay via Paypal, NOTHING. No way to remedy the situation!! They make you wait 3 to 4 days to even respond and could CARE LESS. Amazing. Still off of Facebook as I can’t fix it but at least LinkedIn is getting competitive.

  • http://www.hectorcortez.com Hector

    750 employees? WHY!?!?!

  • http://www.wow-goldstore.com mmo

    everything will be OK

  • http://deleted Anonymous

    Maybe they should have sold to Yahoo for $2 billion.

  • http://hightech-marketing.blogspot.com DTG

    Nice article, it presents a different view of Facebook. How are the other social networks (esp. Myspace) doing on the costs side?

  • http://www.vault45.com Sotek

    Did you just change the headline?

  • yup

    worst comes to worst they start charging like 5 dollars a year per user. I would sure as hell pay it, and i guarantee most current users would. I feel like that is the reason the company doesn’t seem too stressed about a business model.

  • http://www.vault45.com Sotek

    I would be willing to pay $12 a year. No problem.

  • helping human kind

    But facebook helping human kind, by leading in area that really matters to everyone, without discriminating by rich poor etc.. It will definitely have fruitful rewards in future :)

    new facebook should have reduced their bandwidth, by transmitting only useful data..

  • http://www.crunchnotes.com Michael Arrington

    yeah sorry, it’s all comscore data, I’ll make that clearer.

  • http://www.prepme.com Avichal Garg

    It’s just a type of business model where you basically throw money at a company so long as you can keep getting incremental growth rates out of it. Yes, even if it loses money.

    The thought is that at some point when the growth is tapped out, you cut costs and reorganize for profitability. And when you do, you have a company that generates $100 million in profit on $500 million in revenue instead of a company that at a smaller scale would have made $30 million on $50 million in revenue.

    It’s all about scale…so long as the huge finite dollar returns (not necessarily ROI or IRR) are possible, there are types of investors who will throw money at them.

  • nope

    Facebook tries charging and I guarantee everyone will jump ship. There are a lot of competitive alternatives to facebook, but people generally don’t want to leave b/c of the minor inconvenience. $60/year for what many others offer for free is a major inconvenience to most.

  • http://www.kassenzone.de Alex

    To sum it up: They need up to one billion $ to keep scaling this fast. That won´t be easy but doable. For all the people here asking for the business model: You are such nitpickers :-)

  • porab

    Interesting numbers. 500K in bandwidth costs/mo doesn’t seem all that much. maybe that’s why FB keeps me waiting when trying to view photos.

    “16M alone in India”.
    how many people alone in other parts of the world ?

  • http://www.venturebeat.com Eric Eldon

    Fascinating stuff. However, I’m not sure about the revenue projections. That Hitwise study is a flimsy basis for any sort of strong statement about how much the company is bringing in – although certainly non-US ad markets aren’t worth too much, as you point out. Other estimates of FB revenue go up to $350 million. So, we still have no idea. The company has loosely suggested to me that growth in things like gifts are better than third party estimates. So I figure more than $40 million on that front, alone. I’ll see what else I can track down :)

  • Miles Holland

    Just charge 50 bucks a year

  • http://gukmedia.com Guk

    Ya seriously…each employee is earning around 13k per month (if Facebook’s payroll is 10 million per month)

  • http://gukmedia.com Guk

    Let’s not forget that not everyone in the world has a credit card.

  • Johnny

    Why are international users not monetizable?

  • angus

    >> If they don’t raise a big chunk of money now from someone who’ll pay whatever it takes to own a piece of Facebook.

    if what you say about cash burn and revenues is true then I don’t think an investor would ‘pay whatever it takes’ to own a piece of facebook, I think the company will ‘take whatever they pay’, surely?

    angus

  • http://www.interaktivierung.net wingthom

    They need to segment their users. Very active Users who attract other active Users and who are attractive to advertisers = free super premium account, maybe you should even pay them to spend time and be attractive. Very active Users from Countries that don’t generate Revenues = charge them a little bit. Users who are not active should be desactivated after say 3 months. Growth would be smaller but profitable this way and FB would learn really fast which features are important and which not. Now they are listening to the loudest crowd out there – people who have plenty of time and no life. They should listen to the silent but important users who just stay away if the service gets worse.

  • http://christinelu.com Christine Lu

    errr…i’ve been saying this for a while now. i’d gladly pay $5 a month to have ads turned off so i don’t have to be asked if i want to lose 5 LBS quick because i’m 32 with relationship status set to single or some targeted ad like that.

    i’m sure i’m not the only one. $5 a month for an ad-free user experience multiplied by other users who don’t want to be told they have love handles either. that’s a revenue model to me. just sayin’

  • http://jenslapinski.wordpress.com Jens

    This does not bode well for Facebook. If they aren’t profitable after three years running the kind of service that they are running, then chances are that their current business model is not working. Until they come up with a new, better business model, they have a serious problem.

    Compare this situation with the historic cost/revenue growth at Google: http://www.wikinvest.com/stock/Google_(GOOG)

    and you will see that it is a completely different story.

  • http://www.want2do.de Daniel Thomaser

    no.

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  • http://paranoid-hacker.blogspot.com/ Ninja

    I think FaceBook will survive but with less valuation. But I have same doubt why international users are not monetizable?

  • Hoba

    Probably most of the money goes to managers, executives and the big name hires from other companies (Google etc.).

    Average employees and developers get much less, at least I would suspect that.

  • http://jalansutera.com JalanSutera.com™

    Dotcom Bubble2.0 is coming….

  • http://www.frankabrams.com Frank Abrams

    An International user base w. segmented customer information is valuable to global players, or can be pieced off to regional/national corporates ready to reach FB users. They need to re-evaluate foundational thinking about the business they are in, beyond the issues of walled gardens and open source. Every time they buy a server, or pay an electricity bill they should be thrilled.

  • http://varshavijay22.blogspot.com VV

    Very good article. However this kind of problem should be for other companies like YouTube and MySpace aswell. Where they need to cater to millions and millions of growing visitors and need lots of space to store their contents.

  • http://youtechno.info Mike

    Facebook came into business with a very good perception of the market and the first social network to really go international. http://www.youtechno.info

  • Chris Kuoh

    I was just asking myself the same question. Indeed, Mike’s assumption that international users are not monetizable is false. I believe they are. However, Facebook will have to take a more pro-active approach to effectively monetize them. For example, the following markets are certainly worth their attention: Europe (UK, France, Germany), Asia (India), Africa (South Africa, Nigeria).

    What they should NOT do is charge the user as I read here and there.

  • http://professionallocator.ning.com/profile/mylocator StrategyLocator.com

    they cant monetize because they dont have a strategic niche offering. the all you can eat free social network website offerings are flooded. appears fadbook is nothing more that a fancy hula hoop. fadbk looks like gold but when you measure its weight its as light as a feather.

    GoldLocator.com- setting the standard.

  • http://www.confiz.com Raza

    I am not sure how they think international users are not monetizable, we are based in Pakistan and all the time I see ads of local mobile operators, banks and other local sites so I am sure they are making money of Pakistan as well.

    http://www.confiz.com
    your offshore development partner

  • biscuits

    Hey interesting post, Michael. Long term, their major recurring costs should be on bandwidth, electricity and payroll. If your estimates are correct, that comes to about $12 million a month, which, if they’re pulling $300m a year at this stage, is not a lot of money.

    They should be buying up office space if they’re really blowing $15 million a year on rent. And they can get away with setting storage limits for non-paying users and charging others a small premium. I doubt the Google start up team would have burnt through cash the way FB has. Still if their costs eventually plateau, and I believe they will, they’ve got a strong business model.

  • biscuits

    The question is how much? Chances are it’s only a fraction of what they’ll make in the US, and yet storage costs are the same and bandwidth costs may be even higher.

  • Sachin

    Comscore shows 2.7M FB users in India. not sure where the 16M number is from.

  • http://www.developeranalytics.com Charles

    Well, worst case scenario, Microsoft can always take advantage of the hard economic times and buy up the other 98.4% of Facebook at a discount.

    Considering what they did with the X-Box, and their ~$35B cash in the bank, I’m sure they can eat a few hundred million in losses per year for a couple hundred years before starting to pay attention to monetization.

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    I’ll take their overseas users if they don’t want them. I have an old 386 and a Commodore 64 I could hook up to manage the load. :)

  • Dani Mitchell

    Great post finally; not sure all the numbers are right, but the analysis makes sense. Wonder why Zuck & co. don’t want to focus on revenues… they may be already doing so, just his public statement make it look like a deception…

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  • http://www.shamskm.com Shams

    you are right Raja, while I was in Austria and now in Germany, I see Ads in german from companies like O2, deutsche bahn (german railway). When I saw the ads from O2 mobile and german railway, I was very surprised because till now I had an idea that Facebook is not making money. But they are indeed making good money and getting many ads. I see a good and successful future for facebook. But that may have a negative effect on Google. Once I read an article in Time, I guess two/three months before, where the author wrote that may be it’s Facebook who is Google’s real competitor. I think Facebook is going to that direction. And as you saw in Pakistan and I noticed in Germany, they are getting lots and high-vlaue local ads. That means they are monetizing internationally. No doubt, Facebook is on its way to be very successful enterprise of Mark Zuckerberg. I am happy for him.

  • http://www.richswier.com Rich Swier

    I can tell you one thing, the 15B Valuation is out the window. I think facebook peaked about a year ago, and then they have been going down hill since…

  • josh

    Why does facebook need that much money/people. I mean seriously, what is it used for? Looks to be something that just runs on its own now, just pay for servers and bandwidth..

  • Phil

    An employee’s “total burden” is more than just salary.

    Go back to class kids.

  • Phil

    How does FB make $? Advertisements

    Who pays for these ads? Large Corps

    Who are these large corp advertisers interested in? Mostly people from the US.

  • http://www.combo.com Raskin

    Might just be the economy?!? Did you read the article?

    It might just be the business plan!

  • Hondo

    I guess it is appropriate that it is Halloween and that cash burn rate is very scary.

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  • http://www.matboo.co.uk matboo

    The solution is simple, cut employees expand the support with help files and support forums.

    AND charge for using facebook, its one thing i wouldnt mind paying for, its better than myspace in layout, speed, everything!

    £10 a year i wud pay havent they got 120 million users!!

  • http://cat-mat-percentile.co.in Sunita

    Growth is really positive news.

    Sunita

  • John Spartan

    Is not that simple, lawyers, vice presidents, and executives are very expensive.

  • Social media lawyer

    Time and time again you have to question Facebook’s strategic management decisions.

    Their attempts to increase page views by splitting up profile pages into the wall / apps etc does not seem to have worked if you go by Alexa (they spun this as improving user experience/profile tidy up but was in fact to increase ad revs) . In doing so they have also killed the fundamental user identity aspect of social networks.

    Facebook has given out most of its revenue generating options to third party application developers. Smart money is on the likes of Slide. They should have kept these opportunities in house and were probably premature in launching apps to third parties before they had their own trusted business model (ad revs is not such a model yet). They became a mini “internet” and of course the internet is not a listed company or ever going to be sold. You have to ask whether Facebook can ever exit for value.

    Everyone uses Facebook differently, but for me, its increasingly a photo sharing site. They need some services with value – photo printing? We hear they are considering music but that’s myspace / imeem / itunes etc and Facebook are going to struggle to capture that market. There’s no money in it for online service providers anyway. As for paying for Facebook – forget it. Would you pay for hotmail / gmail?!

    They also don’t seem to have attempted to compete on user homepage with Yahoo / igoogle killing them on customisation. If they become a homepage they may be able to tap into search revenue. Homepage needs RSS customisation in long term.

    Anyone know of a study which compares the number of homepages a website has against its internet revenue?

    They would be best off selling to the United Nations as part of a platform for a future global governance model…

  • John Spartan

    no. Is like trying to get all the people in the world in just 1 building, a good looking one…..

  • Tom_Fishman

    Great breakdown. I read all the time but never comment, just wanted to say awesome work, I love this stuff.

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  • Pat

    In order to seek a new series of funding, the company will have to show they can continue to innovate and increase revenue streams (substantially). Of course, this will result in changes and improvements to their current platform.

    A large shift in the business model is a definate no go at this point. This risk of losing users is too great. Instead, the company will seek to build revenue opportunities out of their current busienss model and this is no easy task my friends. The best thing going for them was the Beacon Advertising platform. Unfortunately, it was very poorly launched by the company and thus resulted in users garnering the ability to opt out. Don’t think google and other platforms are any less intrusive; not in the digital age anyhow.

    I’d like to see some readers comment regarding unique revenue streams Facebook could create out of their current platform??!! I’m not referring to $20 million/annual revenue opps., I want to see real large ideas!!!

  • Michael

    The U.S. government could always bail them out if they are “too big to fail.” HA!

  • Gagan

    Fck Facebook.

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  • http://www.righteousfashion.com Righteous Fashion

    They’ll easily get the money. Facebook has millions of users who spend tons of time on the site.

  • Richard

    Charging users, even a small amount, isn’t going to work for college students (dirt poor, would rather spend money on food) and high schoolers (no credit cards, tough time convincing parents to cough up the dough). As soon as Facebook tries to charge those two demographics will flee somewhere, either back to Myspace or to some other Facebook clone that sprouts up. As soon as a competitor is declared “the cool place”, they’ll all wind up there.

    I guess it depends how valuable the college and high school kids to the overall business.

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  • Dave E.

    Great comment, I think you have it right, their is no business model that anyone can clearly see. They need to sell, MS is a proper exit. Sell for 3 billion (tops!!!) and call it a day.

  • http://www.graphicrating.com Graphic Design

    Great article – useful information.

    Hopefully Facebook will stand strong, because we need strong companies in these times.

  • http://www.somethingcool.com momo

    At times Mike seems to be rational in his analysis, at other times completely biased and I wonder if I’m reading TC or Valleywag. A few important points:

    1) No one has any real idea what FB revenues look like at this point. Every estimate I’ve seen is like 6 months old, and seems to be throwing darts. For a company with as much momentum as FB, revenue #s could be significantly larger. I see their sales guys everywhere.

    2) One minute we’re all raving about how we need to go international, the next we’re complaining about having too much int’l traffic? Which one is it? I think any smart company these days has to have a real presence across multiple continents, and FB does. And I think it’s time we stop comparing FB’s reach to MySpace and simply look at the largest sites in the USA and figure out what commiserate ad $$ they’ll get – the competition at this point is as much Yahoo and Google as MySpace.

    I appreciate Mike’s review of the facts, but I think his conclusion is wrong. As any entrepreneur knows, you ALWAYS need to be out looking for money, from the minute you close your previous round. In the case of FB, unlike 99% of the co’s mentioned here, growth is fantastic, the product is rock-solid, and they can still both command a huge valuation and easily raise money from a variety of sources, whether it ends up being at $10B or $15B or whatever. If more than 1/2 your traffic is outside the US, then why wouldn’t you raise money from abroad?

    I’m all for ripping on stupid businesses, but Mike leaves us thinking FB is heading for the deadpool, and I think the facts tell us otherwise.

  • http://www.storyofmylife.com/antje antje wilsch

    so to sum up the comments
    - cut staff and other costs (like housing allowances unless those are already cut/ fancy digs / perks etc)
    - stop releasing other language versions/ support English first and then only subsequent languages
    - fire most of the lawyers (a business process patent is no good any more anyway)
    - cull some top-heavy staff
    - go back to MSFT with hands out / lower valuation
    - charge users premium rates based on usage and/or ad blockage
    - set up sales offices in other countries
    - share revenue with the third party apps
    - if all else fails, go to the gov’t for a bailout

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  • http://kicknote.com Brian Erickson

    Although I’m a long-term fan of the service itself, I’ve never been supportive of Facebook’s business decisions at any stage in its life.

    Facebook did the right thing on many occasions by staying as far from Myspace’s “business model” as they could, but they certainly could have tried much harder to monetize their user base.

    Forget about things they could have sold to everyone… you’ve got nearly every college student in America completely drooling all over your site… HELLO… TEXTBOOKS!

    A $5 billion dollar industry that they left completely untouched. Half.com and Amazon aren’t catered to college kids, and they’re not on those sites 1/10 the amount of time they are on Facebook. Would have been one of the easiest kills in history.

    There are plenty of similar options and different markets they could have explored– with a near monopoly on such a highly prized (even if not wealthy) market, they had the world by the balls.

    Incredible technologists, sub-par businessmen. Alright, that’s all I have to say.. I have to upload a Facebook photo album and eat up some more bandwidth.

  • http://www.iboozi.com Surender

    This is biggest opportunity for Facebook.facebook is largest growing Social Site.
    http://www.iboozi.com

  • Yosef

    I think they tried creating a textbook marketplace at one point. I’m a textbook seller and I would certainly list all of my books on facebook if they created a viable marketplace similar to Amazon.

  • brian

    there is no way Facebook.com is worth $15 billion. This is extremely over-hyped….there are much better sites (e.g. orkut, myspace) …. who should be worth much more.

    http://www.livbit.com

  • Joe

    Facebook better QUICKLY hook up with Markus Frind of PlentyofFish.com to learn how to run their business more cost-effectively. PlentyofFish.com has huge pageviews, but no where near the crazy costs of facebook.

    $100 million to buy 50,000 servers!!! Unbelievable!

  • Junk

    I used facebook a few times and got tired of it. I don’t like the clunky interface that always get in my way. All these news posting are cluttering.

    I get spam on it like crazy. I don’t know from who but it’s getting annoying.

  • Your Daddy

    They obviously aren’t building their data centers the right way. I heard that youtube pushes 10X the traffic at 1/10th the cost. They are just throwing money at the problem and not building the application in a leaner/smarter way. They need to step back and think abotu how to grow smarter. 750 employees and a in house Chef now too!

  • bill

    I don’t understand why facebook doesn’t just take over ad serving on Apps instead of allowing third party app networks to monetize on their users.

  • brandon

    There are always multiple options, but what’s better:

    1. 71 million users producing only X in revenue and Y in profits, and that Y is negative. Or,

    2. 37 million users producing 5X in revenue and Y in profits, and that Y is positive.

    FB should have by now introduced premium features, no doubt. But if you’re also blinded by big numbers on the user side, without more care for the P&L, you’re just a bad manager.

    You can’t assume times will always be prosperous and free is always necessary.

  • http://www.budgetpulse.com Craig Kessler

    Good post, very informative. All we ever hear about is Facebook this and Facebook that and how they are growing and taking over the world. We never hear the behind the scenes from a business stand point. This is another example of how in the web and social media world, many people are too focused on the idea and less focused about the business model. I didn’t realize their expenses were so high to keep all the servers running. They need to stop worrying about development and start worrying about how to be most cost effective. Why have they not gotten an IPO yet and do you think they will try to go public soon to get cash?

    Craig
    http://www.budgetpulse.com

  • http://www.techforlunch.com/facebook-is-growing-fast-maybe-too-fast/ Facebook is growing fast.. maybe too fast! | Tech for Lunch!

    [...] for some companies because they are usually so impressive, they sometimes sound unbelievable.  Techcrunch has an article about the speedy growth of Facebook and increasingly huge requirements to operate [...]

  • http://www.talentshare.co.uk/blog/2008/10/web-20-is-the-latest-fashion/ Talentshare – Share design, art, photography and music » Blog Archive » “Web 2.0 is the latest fashion”

    [...] Final piece of news in regards to social media – Facebook raised $240 million in investment from Microsoft in 2007 and another £235 million in 2008 with a plan that they would be pretty sorted for money after this but they are growing at such a rate (118% unique user increase) that they may need to go back to the capital investment market much sooner than originally thought. See the full post at Techcrunch. [...]

  • Ashutosh Kadakia

    I think they should apply for relief from the federal government, as they are clearly too big to fail. Perhaps some of this new TARP relief can be directed towards free gifts for everyone on facebook.

  • http://tinycomb.com jason@tinyComb

    think about how many users don’t have access to a credit card, online bank, etc. it’s not feasible.

  • patent looser

    So why is facebook loosing so much money? Is headcount *the* factor or bandwidth?

  • http://techtango.net/facebook-may-be-growing-too-fast-and-hitting-the-capital-markets-again/ » Facebook May Be Growing Too Fast. And Hitting The Capital Markets Again. TechTango

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  • http://micro.mrjmw.com/2008/10/facebook-may-be-growing-too-fast-and-hitting-the-capital-markets-again/ Facebook May Be Growing Too Fast. And Hitting The Capital Markets Again. | micro jmw blog

    [...] Facebook May Be Growing Too Fast. And Hitting The Capital Markets Again.Wow, I had no idea of Facebooks growing pains and the amount of resources it takes to run Facebook! This is a very interesting article about the challenges of a company with (currently) a strong foothold on the future face. If there is an IPO it may not be a bad investment, but you never know. Similar Posts [...]

  • Bo

    If we all believes that Facebook is bringing value to our day to day, would we be willing to pay for this service and how much?

  • Alex

    great post.

    Let’s see how this plays out. This is the perfect storm for Facebook:
    1) FB huge growth numbers
    2) IPO market is shut
    3) Private Equity won’t over pay
    4) Hedge Funds are blowing up
    5) VC’s don’t have the cash for this type of round
    6) Investment banks won’t invest now
    6) Microsoft over paid so nobody else would try to get in

    There is a HUGE down round coming. My guess a valuation of $3B (approx 5x ’09 revenues)

    Microsoft may end acquiring Facebook sooner than anyone thought.
    Public companies with lots of cash:
    *Cisco
    *Microsoft
    *Apple
    *Intel
    *Google

  • Social media lawyer

    They certainly need to gradually introduce users to the idea – “Facebook – a place I spend money”. For me, photos are their best way in. Or have those little gift things been a breadwinner?

    Shutterfly have revenues but again a poor balance sheet http://ir.shutterfly.com/index.cfm. Hard to say how Snapfish are doing as they are subsumed with HP. My girlfriend uses them though… must be good.

    Its easy to come up with lots of ideas for Facebook revenue – they could be the biggest publisher in the US by now – having started with Colleage year books…

    However, on the inside there are probably valid reasons (and volumes upon volumes of research into potential business models) as to why they haven’t gone down those routes – at least I hope there are – for their investor’s sake.

  • http://www.rip2itviralspiral.com/facebook-may-be-growing-too-fast-and-hitting-the-capital-markets-again/ Facebook May Be Growing Too Fast. And Hitting The Capital Markets Again. | Tech News – Business News And Social Networking

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  • http://broadstuff.com/archives/1342-The-end-of-the-0.00-FreeConomic-model-again.....html broadstuff

    The end of the $0.00 FreeConomic model – again…….

    Silicon Alley Investor is the latest to report on the demise of the “Too cheap to charge for” way of thinking about online business models:

    ….startups are starting to return to a business concept many thought had faded into the past — asking cu…

  • http://venturebeat.com/2008/10/31/report-facebook-looking-to-raise-more-money-fast/ Report: Facebook looking to raise more money, fast » VentureBeat

    [...] revenue, and now the company is scrambling to raise money to pay for its gains. That’s what a report from TechCrunch says, at least, citing sources that place the company’s chief financial [...]

  • chris

    Note to Facebook. STOP trying to be Google.

  • Social media lawyer

    It would be great if they could IPO – then we’d see their balance sheet. But its for that reason that they are unlikely to do it.

  • silicon valley dropout

    markus is a walking legend of what one man can do running on crappy microsoft servers.

  • http://hoodiepeople.com Hasan Luongo

    wow, really insightful post. they need to focus on first on monetizing US users better, then shift that model to international users where they can really win big. on the growth side they mirror that rapid scale of google but the monetization systems are vastly inferior. if/when they get this right it going to be an amazing money minting machine, but if the cannot create that special balance between quality and revenue it could be one of the most dramatic flameouts in silicone valley history. either way it will be interesting to watch.

  • http://socialinfotainment.blogspot.com Supreet SI

    Some solutions from my pov.

    ‘Home Page / Welcome Page’ has no adds, CPM ads can do very well there.

    20% of users visit apps.facebook subdomain(i.e use apps) so FB should charge the App companies rather than the user as some readers suggest.

    Text adds like in Gmail can do well

    Search should be monetized with some sort of contextual CTR based model.

  • silicon valley dropout

    i agree 3 billion seems in the ball park.

  • FB Insider

    After spending a wee bit of time inside FB, I can tell you the revenue being talked about here is fairly accurate.

    The problem on charging for access is that you might get 1/10 to pay, yet your ad revenue will drop by more than 1/10 because the one’s who will pay are the more active members of the community (and don’t think advertisers are dumb enough to miss that).

    The exec team seems naive (and they won’t admit they don’t have the answer)… so for the immediate future it’s “grow users, and we will figure the rest out later…” (or for those of you well versed in South Park lore – this is fondly know as the “underpants collecting strategy”)

  • http://www.ekerala.net ekerala

    Mike,

    Great post with lots of analysis and thoughts. Fb may survive but a positive cash flow seems like a distant thing to me.

  • silicon valley dropout

    sheryl sandberg i read all the posts and i didn’t see her name mentioned anywhere. she was supposed to be the big savior but seem so far she hasn’t delivered . maybe its time to replaced her. she looked like a superstar @ google because they had all the best minds in the business around her and the company actually had a true business model . now @ facebook she isnt looking so stellar. i bet meg whitman could turned facebook around too bad she is retired.

  • http://ontechnology.wordpress.com/2008/10/31/on-cash/ On cash « On Technology

    [...] One company which is pursuing the alternative route and trying to raise more is Facebook. Arrington points out they are in a bind, they are growing fast which so their costs are scaling but without a solid revenue model their [...]

  • http://www.markevanstech.com/2008/10/31/facebooks-growing-pains/ Facebook’s Growing Pains | Mark Evans

    [...] to TechCrunch, Facebook may have to raise even more money to support its rapid [...]

  • http://www.dailypatricia.com Patricia

    Paid/premium content is a when not if scenario online…. i wrote something about this on Huffington Post a few months ago. I think once a user base is created, you can keep it free but offer something extra for a fee. Historically, people wil pay for it.

    You can search me on huff post if you want to see the article :) but i definitely think paid content is coming to a site near everybody soon. it has to. ad revenue blows.

  • http://www.roederstudios.com Laura Roeder

    Honestly my first reaction to this story is “what an INCREDIBLE waste of money”. Like others I keep going back to the 750 employees, I can’t imagine why they would need so many people.

    The comments about charging a small fee are interesting – I think they would lose college users for sure, which are probably the bread and butter of the advertising money.

  • Social Media Voyeur

    Does anyone know how MySpace is doing financially? Are they profitable?

  • http://cryharderfaggot.com MrCashyCash

    MySpace makes $1 Billion a year now.

    That’s big money.

  • Scott C.

    Yeah…all those lawyers, vice presidents and executives are sure worth the money they’re getting paid.

    Isn’t Facebook a glorified messageboard? I honestly don’t see the appeal or the monetary potential for the business. Once they slap ads on it people will leave en masse because everything thinks all things shouldn’t be ad-supported (thanks to Google…who “hide” their ads).

  • http://venturebeat.com/2008/10/17/myspace-on-target-to-do-1b-in-sales-this-year-defies-downturn/ Moz

    There have been a lot of rumors floating around on VentureBeat about their valuation. To me, it sounds like they’re dominating the competition. I mean, check out this story: http://venturebeat.com/2008/10/17/myspace-on-target-to-do-1b-in-sales-this-year-defies-downturn/

  • Scott C.

    It’s still a crappy company and a joke for most people. It’s like AOL, only AOL had a much longer time to be “hip” in consumers/users’ eyes.

  • silicon valley dropout

    they are expecting 1 billion in revenue this year.

  • Scott C.

    I’m sorry but most computer users won’t pay even $5 for something they have always gotten for free.

    Facebook is just doomed to eventually load up their site with display advertising. They’ve avoided it up ’til now because money is coming in from other sources but eventually they’ll have to push that onto the users sometime. And when they do…Facebook users (who are made up largely of ex-Myspacers/Friendsters) will simply jump ship to the next big, non-ad-covered, simply looking thing.

    Google has really wrecked the tech world with the whole “no ads” look.

  • http://www.globalinternetadvisors.com eric gerritsen

    A lot of the international themes in this analysis are teased out more fully in this White Paper “America’s Shrinking Presence on the Global Internet”

    see: http://www.globalinternetadvisors.com/download.htm

  • http://www.kaimac.com kai

    A chef?

  • http://www.kaimac.com kai

    grr, my didn’t show :)

    i fail.

  • Scott C.

    Yup! Bye FB. Won’t miss ya’…

  • http://www.clintlenard.com Clint Lenard

    FB has become a great example of a Company that grows too fast. As Timmons said: You have Lemons and Pearls. FB might be a pearl, but how long before it becomes a Lemon?

  • Social media lawyer

    Damning – but how do we know you have the inside scoop… you could be a twelve year old, a talking monkey, come from Iceland or been working in Afghanistan for the CIA for the past 25 years for all we know – no offence meant but that’s the net and anonymity.

  • http://www.bigmethod.com/blog/?p=99 bigMETHOD

    [...] whole article is a good look into the dragon’s lair. You can read it here on TechCrunch. Let me highlight this section quick in case you want a [...]

  • John C. McClore

    I guarantee that if Facebook tried to charge even so much as 1 cent to use their site the majority of users would jump ship.

    Halloween in Madison, WI used to bring 120,000 people onto State Street but then when they started charging people $5.00 to get in to State Street the number of people who showed up was only about 30,000.

  • John C. McClore

    It was Microsoft’s strategy all along. Put 250 million into Facebook at a completely ridiculous valuation (15 billion). This freezes out future investors when FB would eventually need more cash–which is what is happening now. Consequently, FB can only go to Microsoft for help. Microsoft has them right where they want them! Microsoft is such a methodical company!

    Microsoft looked at FB’s inept business model and management. Microsoft new they would waste the 250 million cash in two years. They knew no one else could invest in FB effectively at the 15 billion valuation. This freezes out the competition and leaves FB for Microsoft’s taking. Bill Gates is a genius.

  • http://www.CoolProducts.com Justin Berry

    The thing about the economy is, is that internet usage, specifically Facebook usage isn’t going to be going down anytime soon. Their click rate for advertising may go down, but the actual usage probably won’t. So Facebook still has to run/add more servers and use more electricity now, but are going to be paid less for advertising. I think that they may feel this economic crisis harder than anyone.

  • John C. McClore

    I truly believe this was Microsoft’s strategy all along. Remember, they’ve been through this before. FB is run by seemingly arrogant first-timers who don’t have that experience. They were seduced by the praying mantis and now they’re going to get eaten!

  • http://www.okfling.com/?ref=tc Eric

    They can not start charging now. People would just flood back to myspace.

  • http://venturebeat.com/2008/10/31/what-we-know-and-what-we-dont-know-about-facebooks-finances/ What we know and what we don’t know about Facebook’s finances » VentureBeat

    [...] desperate for cash because its growth has caused costs to far outpace revenue, as TechCrunch suggests? Not necessarily. Revenue will be in the hundreds of millions, and will greatly exceed the $150 [...]

  • Social media lawyer
  • Social media lawyer

    interesting although it was always a battle beween MS and Google with Myspace and Facebook as battlefronts. Really interesting question is do MS really want Facebook as the basis of an MS Office cloud… They are heading into dangerous free online word processing/office application territory if they do. Or maybe the will just buy FB to make sure google don’t use it to open another attack on MS Office.

    Ultimately its a shame if the social web becomes a corporate web and that’s where we’re heading – unless Zuckerberg does the smart thing – sells soon and puts his great technical mind to the task of using social media for social good.

  • http://www.chloregy.com Dominik Zynis

    Maybe Hank Paulson and Ben Bernanke will bail them out with a line of credit from the US Gov’t???

    C’mon Facebook is vital to the growth of the US economy…….

  • http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20081031/qotd-57/ QOTD | John Paczkowski | Digital Daily | AllThingsD

    [...] Facebook calls BS on rumors of its financial troubles. Print [...]

  • http://ourfounder.typepad.com/leblog/2008/10/our-social-infrastructure.html Evolving Web

    Our Social Infrastructure…

    Business is being done on Social Media every day. Lots of it. Companies are entirely founded on leveraging the power of social media for sales, marketing, and research. Today a mini ripple went through the community when Techcrunch speculated about……

  • CaptainObvious

    you need higher self esteem if an advertisement effects you at all. i get weight loss and dating ads all the time, who cares? ignore it. there’d be an exodus from facebook if they charged money, and they know it, thats why it’s free.

  • Social Media Voyeur

    Found the answer… MySpace has gone on the record saying they’ve been profitable for awhile. What a contrast…

  • Arianna

    Michael is completely correct. Fox has said it has 800M of revenue in total, of which MySpace is 500M. The 500M is probably divided into: Brand Direct ($1-$5 CPM, 150M) Remnant Networks ($0.20 CPM, 150M) and Google $200M. Most of the revenue 90% is probably US based, non US is all remnant. Numerous accounts are saying remnant is in serious trouble so the $150M is at risk and brand sales have pricing pressure at $2-5 CPMs

    Facebook is roughly 37M visitors in US vs MySpace has 75M, the page views are similar so Facebook is roughly half the reach and size of MySpace in US.

    The break down of Facebook revenue then looks like: 100M from Microsoft, $60-100M direct, $50-100M from remnant/self serve and $25-50M non media like classifieds or gifts. Sounds like $200-250, instead of the $400M that was thrown around earlier. Self serve is still new to Facebook, and with beacon as a complete failure, targeted brand sales can’t be sustained at $2-8 CPM’s.

    The problem is expenses for social networks and user gen video like YouTube which is rumored to be losing $100M a quarter!!! The cost of running the network is HUGE and unlike cable there are no monthly dues. With 800 employees and Server farms, they are probably spending $150-2050M in expenses. As soon as MySpace Google deal ends — that Google has said does not work for them, and Microsoft — Facebook deal, that creates a 100M a year hole for Facebook. All cash at hand goes to zero in 18 months or less. Unless they can raise more money or do a massive layoff and slow server farms.

    The problem is communication utilities- like email, facebook have very high bandwidth and server costs, and in Yahoo/MSN days could be monetized by keeping users in their portals with high home page CPM’s $20-$50. In Facebook’s case, there is no high brand CPM inventory as most time is spent inPhotos (28M or 37M users in US, mobile, email, and communicating) The utility part of Facebook has no monetization value- just replaces Outlook or Yahoo Mail and is a good Photo App. Also, the users are heavily teens, most advertisers don’t want to go after teens,specially in down markets, as parents give lesser to them to spend! This combination of younger demo and utility is a killer in a recession.

  • http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=10659 Between the Lines mobile edition

    [...] far as to say that he didn’t see a revenue plan coming into play for three more years. But now, as TechCrunch digs up info on Facebook’s financials, it appears that Facebook may not even make it to 2011 unless they can [...]

  • Goog

    Yes he did. Does anyone remember the original headline (title) of this article? I think Michael Arrington got a call from some very prominent Jews. Shame on you Michael for selling out.

  • Sugardaddy

    I’ll be more than willing to sponsor you, babe.

  • huh

    The probability of Facebook making a profit is equivalent to Locator guy being able to sell one of his thousands domain names.

  • huh

    Er… what’s so incredible about their technology?

  • LAme DuCK 2

    Mikey get some sleep. You’ve been working too hard.

  • huh

    I have a bridge that I would like to sell to you.

  • LAme DuCK 2

    “The problem is communication utilities- like email, facebook have very high bandwidth”

    Do you know what you are taking about? these things take the least of bandwidth..

    Please go back to your Excel spreadsheet and work with numbers – don’t mess around with technical details. Thank You very much.

  • huh

    They’re better off selling to college kids condoms and beers rather than textbooks.

  • huh

    You think they didn’t think of that?

  • huh

    revenue != profit

  • http://www.medialoper.com/columns/the-daily-loper/daily-loper-745/ The Daily Loper – October 31, 2008 | Medialoper

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  • http://www.driverheaven.net/news/172302-facebooks-financials-not-looking-so-hot.html#post1190398 » Facebook’s financials: Not looking so hot?

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  • http://www.poncheg.com/2008/10/31/facebooks-financials-not-looking-so-hot/ » Facebook’s financials: Not looking so hot? « Poncheg.com – State & Community News Blog

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  • kfan

    Another market for facebook to monetize:

    Strike deals with local restaurants and stores where friends can buy friends real gifts (including a beer)… goes with the entire connect with your friends thing

  • http://www.f-ckedcompany.com/2008/10/facebook-facing-cash-issues-%e2%80%93-after-raising-516m-last-year/ Facebook facing cash issues – after raising $516M last year? | F-ckedCompany.com

    [...] Why you ask? It seems that Face is growing to fast and all that new hardware costs serious bucks.  Techcrunch has a great analysis of the issues facing [...]

  • FB Insider

    Social Media Lawyer: Given that I still work at FB I’m not about to out myself here. However – if you get your hands on the list of insiders trading in vested shares “soon” – then you might figure it out…

  • Alex

    The fact that you suggest that hedge funds invest in start-ups like Facebook indicates that you have no idea what you are writing about. You clearly don’t even know what a hedge fund is. This evidences your clear lack of knowledge in the area and undermines your other contentions.

    Furthermore, your blanket claim that most overseas users cannot be monetized is wrong. Go to overseas websites (e.g. timesonline.co.uk) and you’ll be served US-specific ads. There is no reason why Facebook and other social networks cannot do this.

    Asserting that SWFs are the only viable method of raising capital is also false. I’m sure MSFT (with over $20b in cash) would take another chunk, as would plenty of other US and international companies.

  • Facebook user

    Regular old FB user here and I’ll just say this: Users were already pissed off that they changed the format, they aren’t going to pay for the service on top of that. A lot of people (myself included) will go elsewhere if they start to charge.

    The one thing I never understood about FB was why the let users upload so much. It’s like they want to be Flickr/MySpace/YouTube/ETC…, but they obviously didn’t plan for it given the numbers I’m reading here.

    If they fall they fall. I don’t think anyone will be crying over losing one of how many social networking sites? In fact, in my opinion, there are too many as it is. Facebook should have kept to the college crowd.

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  • Arianna

    Social Networks require the MOST bandwidth, servers and co-location costs along with video sites like YouTube and Brightcove. If you take the time to read the post, the bandwidth of the user is not the issue as you suggest — they require little bandwidth — it is the server and hosting needs of the social network.

    Why? Most social networks limit the friend of friends connections to 2-3, instead of 6 as it takes so much computing power that is really not affordable. How quickly the lessons of Friendster are forgotten — it died as they had technical and hosting issues. Facebook has scaled well- like YouTube, but the costs have got to be killing the company. The point is, the stuff that takes the most expense — the utility part or connecting people, email servers, etc– has ZERO value to advertisers and does NOT MAKE ANY MONEY AT ALL! Microsoft and Google can be in the business of doping things that are free for other reasons, startups like Facebook in a downturn will get killed if they continue to.

  • Nirav

    I’m pretty sure that someone out of the 700 employees they have will eventually come up with a viable monetization plan.

  • http://www.waikilu.com surelooksgood

    they should rethink the way they get money
    apparently putting ads on the side is not enough

  • http://www.inkampus.com Inkampus

    New site for college students: http://www.inkampus.com

  • http://broadstuff.com/archives/1349-FaceCrunch.html broadstuff

    FaceCrunch? …

    Read on Techmeme this morning that Facebook is tapping the markets – in Dubai. TechCrunch ran some numbers of its estimated cashflows – so I’ve set those against a reported revenue of c $300m pa and a starting bank balance of $240m, about 50% of what …

  • Social media lawyer

    What’s Blake Ross up to anyway with Parakey code? FB Insider – show yourself! Maybe there is something brewing.

  • joseph2008

    There’s no doubt that Facebook is growing at a breathtaking pace. However this kind of problem should be for other companies like youtube.
    ======================================
    Joseph
    wide circles

  • http://faisalkhan.com/?p=543 Confiz… | Faisal Khan’s Blog

    [...] was reading through Tech Crunch and came across a blog-comment from someone from http://www.confiz.com/, so decided to check out [...]

  • http://milos.mileusnic.com/2008/11/01/facebook-pred-problemima/ Facebook pred problemima? | I Shot The Sheriff

    [...] post nedavno objavljen na TechCrunch o problemima Facebooka sa prihodima i rashodima. Koga ne mrzi neka prоčita ceo članak, a evo [...]

  • Joe Six Pack

    I wish they would hurry up and go public so I could short them.

  • Khushwant Singh

    This is absolutely insane. Man – this is either a hoax to bring down the evaluation keeping in mind the stock buyback they announced or they are really bleeding. But assuming they are bleeding this is crazy. If storage is their fundamental issue they just open sourced Cassandra to run on commodity hardware.

    I work for a ad network company and we recently came up with hardware estimates for using Cassandra. This dramatically reduced our cost by hundreds of thousands of dollars over conventional storage like Netapp/EMC. This is the way to go for us to keep costs down. If Facebook isn’t doing this it is insane or some random political hubris.

  • greg golding

    hey kids, like i said before, we are creating the NEXT BIG THING that will blow away all social networks. we sincerely thank employees, users and investors of Facebook and other SN’s for undertaking the grunt work. we only need a few Angels who desire to create the best thing on the Internet. a modest goal to start.

  • http://www.socialnetworkingwatch.com/2008/11/facebook-is-gro.html Social Networking Watch

    Facebook Is Growing, But So Are Costs…

    TECH CRUNCH — Oct 31 — A year ago, according to Comscore, they had just 74m unique monthly visitors and 35 billion page views. Today those numbers have grown by 118% and 74%, respectively, to 161m unique visitors and 61…

  • Johnny

    Hey, I’m a prominent Jew. I didn’t call anyone.

  • http://startupmeme.com/facebook-knock-knock-middleeast-give-me-the-money/ Facebook – Knock Knock MiddleEast, Give Me The Money!!! | Startup Meme – Technology Startup and Latest Tech News

    [...] [via TechCrunch] [...]

  • http://creativepakistanis.com/2008/11/02/confiz%e2%80%a6.html Creative Pakistanis » Blog Archive » Confiz…

    [...] was reading through Tech Crunch and came across a blog-comment from someone from Confiz, so decided to check out their website – I [...]

  • http://ahillman.com Andrew

    Well said. The Data Centers need work. They need to use cheap servers and build better clusters; when a server breaks switch it out and move on.

  • http://ajabni.com/archive/2008/11/02/210/ مدونة عجبني – مشاريع الانترنت العربية والتسويق على الانترنت » الارشيف » فيس بوك في دبي للبحث عن ممولين !!

    [...] موقع تك كرنش الى أن المسؤول المالي في موقع فيس بوك ” جودوين يو” [...]

  • http://www.studioglyphic.com/blog/2008/11/01/schadenfreude-2/ StudioGlyphic » Schadenfreude

    [...] Schadenfreude By glyphic TechCrunch is reporting (spreading the rumor?) that: Facebook May Be Growing Too Fast. And Hitting The Capital Markets Again. [...]

  • Marc

    Small time affiliate marketers are the biggest advertisers on FB. Spammin and jammin is the name of the game with super-shady offers that get you to sign up to things free then have to cancel your credit card because you will never be able to unsubscribe from non-existent customer service.

    Yeah, FB is totally doomed. CTR is so low you wouldn’t believe it and clicks are dirt cheap. That’s a recipe for making a little coin if you’re into Aff marketing and going out of business if you’re FB.

    Oh well, it’s a living. By the way, I first mentioned this FB scenario almost 2 years ago in various TC comments. And eMarketer is way way off. There is no way in hell they are going to bring in $265 mil. Absolutely no way. Just do some back of the envelope math based on what they earn for revenue per page view. Sorry, not even close. I would guess they are in mid single digit millions per month. I don’t see any possible way they can improve this much, even by heavily loading down pages with advertising.

    I just read an article in BW about Google working on a social networking PR to identify the people that have greater social networking gravitas. I don’t see this helping advertisers much. FB already hamstrings advertisers, by blocking Ad copy that refers to important demographic data like age, etc. Marketers could target and convert much better with the data FB already has, but they restrict it because it becomes a little too personal. All that is possible with the dumb system based on basic demographic info FB already has in place. However all that said, I don’t think FB could even get close to be where they need to be if it was no holds barred for marketers.

    Anyone investing in FB will have to understand that there is no good way to monetize social networking with ads. People don’t care about ads when they are in the social mindset. It’s like email. It will just have to remain a loss leader. FBs only hope is to hook up with big old world media and monetize through conventional media content like movies, music, TV. That is their only freaking hope in the world.

    Anyone who gives them a half billion and doesn’t demand a majority stake in the company has their head up their ass. On top of that, their is no way Zuckerberg can lead that organization to profitability. They need to dilute him down and force him out. Seriously, he may be a bright bulb, but he’ll burn right through your cash like he’s already done for previous investors. I don’t see that he’s done anything other than preside over viral growth that really has little to do with him.

    One last thing, a previous commenter mentioned that Indian and African users were monetizable. That was the funniest thing I’ve read all day. No way in hell are they going to be monetizable to a US based company for decades.

  • Marc

    I mentioned this further up the thread. If you have any experience with online marketing and advertising you know that people on FB are the worst targets for ads. It’s all about user mindset and they are in a social mindset, not a buying mindset and not a mindset to be marketed to. That’s why there is not enough money in ads to sustain them. It just isn’t there. They will monetize at the same level as email. There is a good 10 year history for email. That is the kind of money they will bring in. Too bad email still isn’t profitable.

  • Marc

    Why would anyone pay $3 Billion for a machine that burns $250 million a year. It’s a cash incinerator with no end in sight.

  • Marc

    I believe it was also. It was the ultimate Google cock block. And it worked. Give them a $15 Billion valuation, because any one with an interest in making money knows it’s not worth it.

  • kimbo

    SOMEBODY explain to me how to monatize users in Nigeria? You clowns that keep saying internaitonal is worth it. What exactly are you going to sell to users in Nigeria? Besides the key to my safety deposit box which is full of 10 million dollars, money left over from the late dr. boonga moonga joonga, 1 million of which is yours if you…

  • http://socialinfotainment.blogspot.com Supreet SI

    but ‘Thinking’ does not makes any difference, if they really are bleeding like this post mentions then these are steps that can pull them out pretty quickly.

  • http://www.drama20show.com/2008/11/02/facebook-looking-for-a-bailout-from-sovereign-wealth-funds/ Facebook Looking for a Bailout from Sovereign Wealth Funds? : The Drama 2.0 Show

    [...] according to TechCrunch’s Michael Arrington, Facebook is spending so much money so fast that it may need [...]

  • http://www.mushon.com/fall08/nmrs/11/02/is-facebook-as-rich-as-we-think/ Is Facebook as Rich as We Think? – New Media Research Studio

    [...] Caroline McCarthy on news.cnet.com, states that: “TechCrunch’s Michael Arrington has a solid analysis of Facebook’s current financial system, and his outlook isn’t good. To boot, he says, Facebook Chief [...]

  • http://blog.datadirt.net/2008-11/weekly-blogistan-round-up-no-442008/ datadirt.net

    Weekly Blogistan Round-Up no. 44/2008…

    MTV bleeps out the names of file trading networks in funny songs, Burda media doesn’t know how to monetize the web. Welcome to datadirt’s first weekly Blogistan round-up!
    ……

  • http://www.yourteledoctor.com Mehdi Akiki

    They will need to find a source of financing sooner or later. In the current economic climate finding investors just got even harder. Can we expect them to close operations if they are unable to raise money at their intended valuation?

  • PlushMessiah

    Yes, that’s right. But this obviously entails more risk- generating 500m and then cutting costs, as opposed to organically growing to 50m being profitable most of the time. Since all the investment isolates the founder from personal risk, this is the rational thing to do.

  • http://www.darnellclayton.com/ Darnell Clayton

    The fact that the “crappy company” is rolling in the chi-chang and Facebook is not speaks volumes.

    And when layoffs hit Facebook, what do you think that is going to do to the engineer moral?

  • Jeff Roberson

    I can hear the Facebook spokesperson now: “Don’t worry – we’re losing a buck per user per day, but we’ll make it up on volume!”

  • Jeff Roberson

    “Don’t worry – we’re losing a buck per user per day, but we’ll make it up on volume!”

  • PlushMessiah

    I read all the comments, since it’s relevant for my company. This is one of only two smart comments out of nearly 200. Arianna, what do you do?

  • http://www.nicholaslovell.com/blog/?p=84 Facebook spends more on electricity than on bandwidth — Nicholas Lovell’s Games Industry Blog

    [...] TechCrunch article on Friday talks about Facebook’s need to seek new capital, together with an estimated breakdown of [...]

  • http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=10660 Between the Lines mobile edition

    [...] TechCrunch: Facebook May Be Growing Too Fast.  And Hitting The Capital Markets Again. [...]

  • http://www.theinquirer.es/2008/11/03/facebook-sufre-una-hemorragia-de-liquidez-%c2%bfmicrosoft-al-rescate.html The Inquirer ES : Facebook sufre una hemorragia de liquidez ¿Microsoft al rescate?

    [...] TechCrunch [...]

  • http://newsmavens.wordpress.com/2008/11/03/links-for-2008-11-03/ links for 2008-11-03 « Brent Sordyl’s Blog

    [...] Facebook May Be Growing Too Fast. And Hitting The Capital Markets Again. The company is likely spending well over a $1 million per month on electricity alone, say experts we’ve spoken with. Bandwidth is likely another $500,000 or more per month on top of that. The company has earmarked $100 million to buy 50,000 servers this year and next. And sources say they’ve been buying one NetApp 3070 storage system per week just to keep up with all this user generated content. At up to $2 million each, that adds up quickly – we’ve heard estimates that they may have spent as much as $30 million this year alone with the company. And the icing on the cake – earmark another $15 million per year in office and datacenter rent payments. (tags: vc facebook) [...]

  • http://fds.affinica.com/2008/11/03/facebook-un-elefante-non-puo-volare-bonta-e-difetti-del-fenomeno-del-momento/ Facebook: un elefante non può volare. Bontà e difetti del fenomeno del momento | FDS

    [...] avanti da Michael Arrington: su TechCrunch le dinamiche finanziarie dell’azienda sono state sviscerate evidenziando tanto la bontà del modello quanto la fragilità di una struttura che, cresciuta [...]

  • http://www.zeropuntodue.it/2008/11/facebook-e-un-bambino-che-sta-crescendo-troppo-in-fretta.html Facebook è un bambino che sta crescendo troppo in fretta? | 0.2

    [...] | TechCrunch Condividi questo [...]

  • http://blog.namewise.com/2008/11/03/facebookcom-is-dead/ Facebook.com is dead | namewise. blog.

    [...] just stumbeled upon this article. http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/10/31/facebooks-growing-problem/reflection my [...]

  • http://posicionate.org/oportunidades-en-oriente-proximo-para-emprendedores/ Oportunidades en Oriente Proximo para emprendedores | Posicionamiento web en buscadores – Blog Posicionate.org

    [...] alarma que anuncian la rentabilidad de las principales Web 2.0 sociales del momento como twitter, facebook y otras intentan buscar inversión en segundas rondas antes de verse sumergidas en una falta de [...]

  • http://blog.expressocorp.com/2008/11/03/monetizing-social-sites-vs-saas-applications/ Monetizing Social Sites vs SaaS Applications | Columns and Rows by eXpresso

    [...] to monetize social networking applications. He says his focus is on growth, not revenue. (See also this report suggesting Facebook has a growing cash problem, despite getting hundreds of millions of dollars in [...]

  • http://adverclast.com/companies/facebook/facebooks-social-revenues/ Facebook’s Social Revenues : AdverClast

    [...] debt / equity investment in 2008, the latest scuttlebutt from outlets such as TechCrunch is that Facebook may be in need of cash. Apparently social network CPMs (cost per thousand impressions, a primary revenue driver) are [...]

  • http://www.shaunoakes.com/2008/11/is-this-the-end-of-facebook/ Is This The End Of Facebook?

    [...] That international growth might be ok if U.S. growth remained strong. But the U.S. market just seems to be tapped at this point, and gaining market share from MySpace is a battle. As we wrote in August, at current growth rates it will take Facebook 18 years to overtake MySpace in the U.S. [via Techcrunch] [...]

  • http://www.theinquirer.it/2008/11/04/facebook-e-a-corto-di-soldi.html Facebook è a corto di soldi – The Inquirer IT

    [...] Tech Crunch // SHARETHIS.addEntry({ title: “Facebook è a corto di soldi”, url: [...]

  • http://teabreak.pk/facebook-cfo-goes-to-dubai-looking-for-cash-71/8271/ Facebook CFO goes to Dubai looking for cash? | Tea Break

    [...] Blodget (Silicon Alley Insider) and Michael Arrington(Tech crunch) both have reported that Facebook’s CFO is in Dubai looking to talk to investors about getting [...]

  • http://www.basicthinking.de/blog/2008/11/04/facebook-schon-500-mio-usd-ausgegeben/ Basic Thinking Blog | Facebook: Schon 500 Mio USD ausgegeben?

    [...] lt. groben Berechnungen von Techcrunch hat Facebook um die 500 Mio USD für Personal, Hardware und laufende Hostingkosten ausgegeben. Auf der Habenseite stehen dahingegen für dieses Jahr ~250 Mio USD (auch nur eine Schätzung). Alleine für die 750 Angestellten sollen rund 10 Mio USD an Gehältern zu Buche schlagen, monatlich natürlich. Kein Wunder, dass die Wetten Richtung Kapitalmarkt oder Konsolidierung deuten. Der Zugang zum Kapitalmarkt steht zwar jederzeit offen, jedoch, angesichts der Finanzturbulenzen auf den Märkten weltweit? Es zeigt sich zunehmend, dass Facebook mit dem jetzigen Schwerpunkt auf pures Wachstum (Aussage von Zuckerberg, dass Einnahmen keine Prio haben) in Seenot gerät. Gerade jetzt, wo sich Geldgeber andere Sorgen machen. Mein Tipp? Mama Microsoft wird seine Arme öffnen, nur diesmal zu ihren Konditionen. Und Facebook wird zunehmend Premiummodelle einführen. Werbung Artikelzusatzinfos 3. Artikelstatistik: · Gelesen: 1 · heute: 1 · zuletzt: 01.01.1970 [...]

  • http://zerocomment.wordpress.com/2008/11/04/costs-at-facebooks/ Costs at Facebook’s « Zero Comment

    [...] 4, 2008 Nice article in Techcrunch regarding costs at FB’s. having to face a huge international growth and a [...]

  • http://www.blogpiloten.de/2008/11/04/facebook-vor-dem-aus/ » Facebook vor dem Aus?, Blogpiloten.de – willkommen im wir.netz

    [...] mehr als in den USA. Die Betreiber kommen kaum mit der Skalierung der Infrastruktur nach, geben 1 Million Dollar im Monat für Strom aus und haben die 500 Millionen der letzten Finanzierungsrunde schon so gut wie [...]

  • http://www.kippreport.com/kipp/2008/11/04/facebook-fishing-for-dubai%e2%80%99s-money/ Dubai Business | Kippreport » Facebook fishing for Dubai’s money? »

    [...] However, the notion that Facebook may not be doing well seems absurd. The company raised $240 million from Microsoft in 2007, and another $235 million in debt and equity this year. But these numbers haven’t been able to appease the rising costs, says Tech Crunch. [...]

  • http://casdeiro.info/crisiseconomicamundial/index.php/2008/11/04/la-factura-de-la-luz-de-facebook-un-millon-de-dolares/ Crisis Económica Mundial » Blog Archive » La factura de la luz de Facebook: un millón de dólares

    [...] fama tiene un precio, a veces se mide en vatios. Es el caso de Facebook, la red social ha crecido de forma exponencial en los últimos años. Cada vez más usuarios deciden darse de alta, compartir sus fotografías, subir megas y megas de [...]

  • http://www.karimsaad.com/blog/?p=104 facebook vergisst auf Geschäftsmodell : Karim Saad .:. Jung. Emotional. Formbar.

    [...] wie eine aktuelle Techrunch-News zeigt. Da hilft auch die 15 Mrd. US-Dollar-Bewertung von Microsoft nichts. Hier ein paar jährliche [...]

  • http://fyimusic.ca/headlines/todays-headlines-157 fyimusic.ca » Blog Archive » Today’s headlines

    [...] Facebook is haemorrhaging cash [...]

  • http://andrewchenblog.com/2008/11/04/what-would-facebook-look-like-if-it-sold-out-to-ads-click-here-to-see/ What would Facebook look like if it sold out to ads? Click here to see… | Futuristic Play by @Andrew_Chen

    [...] money, Facebook takes gifts off dollar standard. (There was also an earlier article on Techcrunch: Facebook May Be Growing Too Fast.) In either case, it’s absolutely indisputable that Facebook eventually needs to have a [...]

  • http://www.stephguerin.com/archives/dur_dur_la_vie_chez_facebook/ Dur dur la vie chez Facebook | Le techno-blogue à Steph!

    [...] En fait, Facebook est un gouffre à pognon sans fin. Parmi les coûts d’opérations relevés par Techcrunch, notons ceux-ci (par [...]

  • http://www.social-cache.com/2008/11/facebook-circling-the-drain social cache: we deal in uncommon cents. » Blog Archive » Facebook – Circling The Drain?

    [...] Arrington at TechCrunch posted an interesting and in-depth article last Friday about the state of Facebook’s finances. Facebook currently has 160 million unique [...]

  • http://www.webbusiness20.de/2008/11/04/facebook-deine-grosse-pr-chance-heisst-oekostrom/ web business 2.0 – Facebook, Deine große PR-Chance heißt Ökostrom!

    [...] Links: Internet World Business über Facebooks Stromrechnung TechCrunch über Facebooks Kostenexplosion [...]

  • http://www.selecciondigital.es/elpaiscom/la-factura-de-la-luz-de-facebook-un-millon-de-dolares/ Selección Digital» ELPAIS.com » La factura de la luz de Facebook: un millón de dólares

    [...] fama tiene un precio, a veces se mide en vatios. Es el caso de Facebook, la red social ha crecido de forma exponencial en los últimos años. Cada vez más usuarios deciden darse de alta, compartir sus fotografías, subir megas y megas de [...]

  • http://www.gratisguidance.co.uk/www/?p=2605 helping business in flintshire » The Reality of Facebook Business Model

    [...] To keep up with the growth demands of its users costs at least $200 Million a year. There is a good quality analysis of the proper figures here. The problem is, the only users that have a real value to Facebook, are those in a high value [...]

  • http://www.dnzup.se/off-topic/379-trafik-aer-inte-alltid-guld-och-groena-skogar.html#post574

    [...] to keep up with all this user generated content. At up to $2 million each, that adds up quickly Facebook May Be Growing Too Fast. And Hitting The Capital Markets Again. __________________ MissDomain.se – [...]

  • http://blog.larswichert.de/2008/11/cashburncow-facebook/ Marketing, Medien, Meinungen von Lars Wichert » Cash(burn)Cow Facebook

    [...] man dem Artikel der Internetworld und der Quelle Techcrunch glauben darf, dann hat Mark Zuckerberg ein Problem. Zumindest steuert er geradewegs auf ein Problem [...]

  • http://idealfusion.com/2008/11/social-media-sites-making-money-are-you-kidding/ Social Media Sites Making Money? Are You Kidding? | IdealFusion Consulting

    [...] to monetize social networking applications. He says his focus is on growth, not revenue. (See also this report suggesting Facebook has a growing cash problem, despite getting hundreds of millions of dollars in [...]

  • http://www.manuscrypts.com/brants/?p=605 Social Advertising | brants

    [...] As far as advertising goes, the inclusion of Microsoft Live Search into the social network is quite a significant development. Goes without saying that along with the search results, a few ads would also be thrown in. Looks like win-win, for both Microsoft and Facebook. (with their revenue/cost concerns). [...]

  • http://www.kikabink.com/news/560/is-facebook-growing-too-fast-for-its-own-good/ Is Facebook Growing Too Fast For Its Own Good?

    [...] Michael Arrington, “Facebook May Be Growing Too Fast. And Hitting The Capital Markets Again&#8… Share and Enjoy: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and [...]

  • http://www.digital-swimming.com Michael

    Sure they need more money…but they problem remains the same: how to make so much money online via advertisment?
    I think they have to work on their business model. Could be a freemium model. Also selling the (anynomous) database profile data for market intelligence etc. But the ads itself are not enough too pay such costs. Normally, in a recession companies try to safe marketing cost. We they should make ads when nobody buys a car because nobody has money?

  • http://www.digital-swimming.com/facebook/facebook-and-its-money-problem/ Facebook and its money problem | Digital Swimming

    [...] I just read on Techcrunch Facebook soon got a money [...]

  • http://www.commenti-tecnologia.com/informatica/facebook-in-difficolta/ Facebook in difficoltà? · Commenta la tecnologia, la telefonia, i software

    [...] forse non ha eguali nella storia. Ma non tutto è oro quello che luccica. Secondo indiscrezioni (Tech Crunch) la capacità finanziaria di Facebook sarebbe al capolinea. Il portale aveva ottenuto ben 500 [...]

  • http://coffeeshopdating.com chance

    I don’t think Facebook can just rely on ads to get revenue. They need other revenue sources.

  • http://www.accuracast.com/search-daily-news/social-media-7471/is-facebook-growing-too-fast/ AccuraCast Search Daily News

    Is Facebook Growing Too Fast?…

    An old saying goes, ‘Too much of a good thing is bad’. This saying seems to apply quite well to Facebook in recent times.
    The site has been growing worldwide at a very fast rate, but contrary to expectations, that is probably the main reason for th…

  • http://www.web-strategist.com/blog/2008/11/06/weekly-digest-of-the-social-networking-space-nov-6-2008/ Weekly Digest of the Social Networking Space: Nov 6, 2008

    [...] Facebook growth spurt may require more finance Excellent analysis from Techcrunch on the growth of Facebook, showing some of the costs and indicators of revenue not meeting expenses. As a result, it’s [...]

  • http://watchmojo.com/web/blog/index.php/2008/11/06/facebooks-impending-down-round-how-steep/ HipMojo.com » Facebook’s Impending Down Round: How Steep?

    [...] will be less than $10B, maybe as low as $5B, even.  Of course, Facebook CFO Gideon Yu is in Dubai trying to raise a boatload of money from the country’s Sovereign Funds, who care less about returns [...]

  • http://www.yourpage.it/2008/11/06/facebook-in-difficolta/ Facebook in difficoltà? | Yourpage live news aggregator

    [...] forse non ha eguali nella storia. Ma non tutto è oro quello che luccica. Secondo indiscrezioni (Tech Crunch) la capacità finanziaria di Facebook sarebbe al capolinea. Il portale aveva ottenuto ben 500 [...]

  • http://www.comunidadenlared.com/2008/11/06/redes-sociales/salud-20-el-verdadero-negocio-en-redes-sociales/ Salud 2.0: El verdadero negocio en redes sociales. | Comunidad en la Red

    [...] artículo de Techcrunch sobre cómo el brutal crecimiento en usuarios de la red social Facebook va a provocar que necesiten [...]

  • http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/06/liveblogging-facebooks-mark-zuckerberg-at-web-20/ LiveBlogging Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg At Web 2.0

    [...] Jerry Yang yesterday, Zuckerberg has a lot to talk about regarding the state of Facebook, and its [...]

  • http://www.betatales.com/?p=30 Facebook is growing too fast for its incomes | BetaTales

    [...] Great, you would think. Imagine all the money Facebook can make. Not so. Not yet, at least. Instead bills are piling up.  Only to keep ut with servers Facebook is scheduled to pay USD 100 million this year and the next, according to TechCrunch. [...]

  • http://jp.techcrunch.com/archives/20081106liveblogging-facebooks-mark-zuckerberg-at-web-20/ ライブブログ:FacebookのMark ZuckerbergがWeb 2.0で収益、資金調達、製品群について語る

    [...] 昨日のJerry Yangと同じく、ZuckerbergにもFacebookの現状、そして未来について語るべきことがたくさんあった。 [...]

  • http://www.ajulie.com/2008/11/06/social-networking-news-for-11-6-2008/ Social Networking News For 11-6-2008 | Ajulie.com

    [...] wr­ite­s ab­ou­t Fa­ce­book Growin­­g P­a­in­­s, it ma­y­ be lo­o­k­in­g to­ r­a­is­e [...]

  • http://lookonbusiness.com/technology/liveblogging-facebook%e2%80%99s-mark-zuckerberg-at-web-20-revenue-fundraising-growth-and-products.html LiveBlogging Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg At Web 2.0: Revenue, Fundraising, Growth and Products : LookOnBusiness

    [...] Jerry Yang yesterday, Zuckerberg has a lot to talk about regarding the state of Facebook, and its [...]

  • http://www.jobstaxi.com Yasser

    Facebook has too many people that’s dependent on their platform, as users and also as developers. It won’t sink, but this ship is definitely getting way too big!

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  • http://www.directdigital.com.au Mandy

    Good point Neyma – but I think that talking in terms of monetization at all might be missing the bigger picture here…

    The massive powerful database that Facebook owns, as well as the volume of traffic has enormous inherent value. It is an asset of itself and the revenue from it, whilst not completely immaterial, is surely secondary.

    The commercial applications that this powerful database may be put to in the future are almost unlimited, and I think that the fb team are entirely correct in refusing to turn it into a short term cash cow. There is something mightier at stake here…

  • http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/07/making-money-on-myspace-payments-and-virtual-gifts-coming-soon/ Making Money On MySpace: Payments and Virtual Gifts Coming Soon

    [...] a sudden rush to figure out how they are going to make money. Facebook and MySpace are also under more pressure to ramp up revenues these [...]

  • http://www.tonetek.co.uk/blog/is-facebook-growing-too-fast/907/ Is Facebook Growing Too Fast? | Tonetek Blog

    [...] least the next couple of years. However, as of now, the situation is quite the opposite. TechCrunch reports that the costs of running the site are growing in proportion to its growing popularity. The [...]

  • http://www.jazarah.net/blog/facebook-is-in-dubai-shopping-for-investors-with-a-1-million-monthly-electricity-bill/ Facebook is in Dubai shopping for investors, with a $1 million monthly electricity bill! | jazarah!

    [...] via [...]

  • http://www.techbanger.de/2008/11/09/news-recycling-am-wochenende-22/ News-Recycling am Wochenende | TechBanger.de

    [...] TechCrunch berichtet, ist Facebook stark am Expandieren. Doch das gewaltige Wachstum führt zu immensen Kosten: Allein [...]

  • http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/09/getclicky-getsmad/ GetClicky GetsMad

    [...] know about the feature, he unleashed a barrage of criticism about our Facebook-love (Facebook would disagree), accused us of bias and says we’ll forever lose his respect if we don’t write about [...]

  • http://wesmahler.com Wes Mahler

    their marketplace was a cheap looking craiglist for the networks, if they even just niched a textbook application for all people tagged as college students, they’d have a hit right there as Brian said, hes right textbooks would bring a significant amount of income right there.

    it was mainly college students at one point, now its everyone which makes it harder to focus on one vertical when they are thinking how to monetize the whole thing, instead of focusing on niche segments of their user-base like college-students “promote textbooks”

  • http://www.linkedin.com/in/technologypr Technology PR

    David Kirkpatrick, who’s working on a book called The Facebook Effect for Simon & Schuster, contentds that Arrington is wrong about Facebook’s finances – http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/The-Facebook-Effect-by-David-Kirkpatrick/30038890204#/note.php?note_id=34262653253

  • http://www.lazysupper.com lazysupper

    So many people complain and say No User Fees.
    Those same people bitch and whine and say No Advertising.
    Every one wants everything for free.
    We should call them Socialist Networking Sites.
    You want me to pay for your services?! How offensive!

  • http://www.mehrblog.net/featured/1695/facebook-vor-dem-aus/ Facebook vor dem Aus? | mehrblog.net

    [...] mehr als in den USA. Die Betreiber kommen kaum mit der Skalierung der Infrastruktur nach, geben 1 Million Dollar im Monat für Strom aus und haben die 500 Millionen der letzten Finanzierungsrunde schon so gut wie [...]

  • http://collegejolt.com/college-life/fresh-and-funky-friday-kid-stuck-in-toilet/ Friday’s Funky Headlines | College Jolt

    [...] to know how much Facebook spends each month keeping you [...]

  • http://blog.datenschmutz.net/2008-11/blogpiloten-kolumne-facebook-vor-dem-aus/ Blogpiloten-Kolumne: Facebook vor dem Aus? auf datenschmutz.net

    [...] Userzahlen wachsen, die Kosten explodieren: eine Million Dollar gibt Facebook im Monat allein für Strom (!) aus, hunderte Millionen fließen in den Ausbau der Serverinfrastruktur. Obwohl erst vor [...]

  • http://www.sportyemen.com sportyemen

    FaceBook !!!

    Fabulous

  • http://www.onegr.com onegr

    I dont care if people move out of facebook or not, but where the hell is the money going to come from?? I dont really think what they earn from ads is gona be enough to sustain something as big as this!

  • http://desilive.wordpress.com/2008/11/17/facebook-are-spending-1million-a-month/ Facebook are spending $1million a month « Desilive’s Weblog

    [...] by desilive on November 17, 2008 It’s come out that Facebook are spending $1million a month on just electric (I just hope they’re carbon-neutral). This is the tip of the [...]

  • http://www.zhurui.org/?p=196 朱睿‘blog » Blog Archive » 东拉西扯:Facebook会是下一个GeoCities吗(转载)

    [...] 之所以想起这个话题,是因为看到Andrew Goodman在问:Facebook是下一个GeoCities吗?确实,你现在怎么看都看不出,Facebook像是能挣大钱的样子。但同时,Facebook增长太快了,烧钱太快了,就像Michael Arrington所说,它可能不得不考虑再次融资了。 [...]

  • http://smartblogs.com/socialmedia/2008/11/19/why-verify/ SmartBlogs On SocialMedia » Blog Archive » Why Verify?

    [...] interested right now in member acquisition than in advertising revenue. But for a company where electricity and server space are huge cost centers, unmonetized traffic can be seen as a [...]

  • http://blog.apelletier.com/?p=62 Does facebook need more money? | Alex in the cloud

    [...] Market is not good for funding and as TechCrunch pointed 3 weeks ago, they might need cash very soon… [...]

  • http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=10975 Between the Lines mobile edition

    [...] The company was injected with a $240 million investment by Microsoft last year and, despite reports in TechCrunch that the company may soon need cash, the company has said it’s financially stable. posted by Sam [...]

  • http://www.acefossil.com Brandon

    Facebook might make $100 million less than expected but who knows what that means. Does that mean they lost money or does that mean they only made $200 million instead of 300? If they want to charge for something they should create their own apps that can do stuff other apps can’t because of Facebook restrictions. If the application is useful enough, people will be willing to spend money on it.

    There are a lot of things facebook could do to make money. This is definitely a VERY BAD idea.

    People are developing applications that work with Facebook and Facebook reaps a lot of the reward from this. Basically facebook wants to charge developers to develop applications for them. That’s never going to work.

  • http://www.acefossil.com Brandon

    If they decide to charge developers, who are creating applications that drive users to facebook, you can start counting the days to facebooks demise.

    Google ads are what generates most of their profit. Facebook could do similar things. Charge to have your app show up, when keywords are searched. Ad more advertising or charge for some of the application advertising (maybe the do already).

    If craiglist seems to be doing just fine. How do they make money? T-shirt sales?

  • http://www.acefossil.com Brandon

    IMO, Facebook is making money — they’re just trying to make more (any business would). Charging developers might be the biggest mistake they could make. I’ll start paying companies to go work for them too.

  • furkan

    elerinize sağlık

  • http://blog.aboutnetapp.ru/archives/188 Facebook и NetApp. Большие задачи – большие системы. | about NetApp

    [...] хранения и отдачи всего этого хозяйства, Facebook сейчас покупает по новой NetApp FAS3070 [...]

  • http://www.thecoils.com/2008/11/24/%d7%9e%d7%9c%d7%9b%d7%95%d7%93%d7%aa-%d7%94%d7%94%d7%92%d7%a0%d7%91%d7%94-%d7%a9%d7%9c-ugc/ the.co.ils » ארכיון הבלוג » מלכודת ההגנבה של UGC

    [...] ושאר מקורות תוכן המסתמכים על תוכן משתמשים, שהרי אם בפייסבוק נפלה שלהבת מה יגידו אזובי הקיר? הבעיה, כפי שאני רואה אותה, היא [...]

  • http://www.appuntidigitali.it/2764/ma-facebook-e-internet/ Ma Facebook è internet? – Appunti Digitali

    [...] anche i restanti servizi “concorrenti”? in realtà pensavo di no, dopo aver letto questo post di TechCrunch che ne evidenziava i problemi di gigantismo, ma evidentemente mi sbagliavo. E allora spingendosi [...]

  • http://www.nicolasclairembault.fr/2008/12/03/est-ce-que-facebook-va-dans-le-mur/ Est ce que Facebook va dans le mur? | Nicolas Clairembault

    [...] oui, juste un détail, Facebook emploie 750 salariés, ce qui représente 10 millions de dollars de masse salariale par mois, rien que [...]

  • Bryan

    VV-umm Myspace has been profitable for awhile, they brought in close to 1 billion last year.

  • http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/07/interview-with-facebook-ceo-mark-zuckerberg-products-funding-competition/ Interview With Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg: Products, Funding, Competition

    [...] discussed Facebook fundraising issues and valuation. He said some of the speculation was true and some wasn’t. he confirmed that [...]

  • http://startupmeme.com/recession-what-recession-facebook-still-looking-to-raise-funding-at-15-billion-valuation/ Recession what Recession – Facebook still looking to raise funding at $15 billion valuation | Startup Meme – Technology Startup and Latest Tech News

    [...] from trying to raise $240 million for the company at a valuation of over $15 billion: We discussed Facebook fundraising issues and valuation. He [Zuckerberg] said some of the speculation was true and some wasn’t. he [...]

  • http://www.edternet.com/unclefishbits/2008/12/09/positioning-web-20-brand-building-but-save-your-money/ Uncle Fishbits » Blog Archive » Positioning Web 2.0 – brand building, but save your money.

    [...] In fact, the big guys are concerned too. CEO Falco from AOL suggested that no one has any idea how to monetize Social Media (http://gigaom.com/2008/04/10/aols-falco-gets-something-right/). The ad model is in question for these 2.0 web outlets: Facebook, Youtube, Yelp, and others. They are not profitable yet, and they have a long way to go. (http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/16-04/bz_socialnetworks, http://money.cnn.com/2008/04/11/technology/facebook_sandberg.fortune/index.htm?postversion=2008041213, http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/10/31/facebooks-growing-problem/) [...]

  • http://www.jean.ghalo.com/2008/12/13/the-poverty-of-facebook.html Jean Ghalo — Where It All Begins :: The Poverty of FaceBook

    [...] $300 million. From zero to $300 million in four years is nothing to sneeze at. But the company is burning through cash much more quickly than it can replenish its coffers. Its electricity, bandwidth, data storage, and [...]

  • http://www.bnewyork.co.il shachar

    They should turn Facebook into a grid computing model. Anyway the networks are local so why US should pay in storage and bandwidth for Europe or Asia? Each network will hold it’s own data, pics locally and you will share backups with your friends.
    This way they will only control the links and ads space…

  • http://www.edternet.com/unclefishbits/2008/12/16/yelpy-biz-model-discourse/ Uncle Fishbits » Blog Archive » Yelpy Biz Model Discourse

    [...] the ad model does not bode well for 2.0, as Facebook was massively overvalued and is having money problems http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/10/31/facebooks-growing-problem/ [...]

  • http://www.edternet.com/unclefishbits/2008/12/16/facebook-the-business-model-and-make-it-work-for-you/ Uncle Fishbits » Blog Archive » Facebook: The Business Model and make it work for you.

    [...] Because Facebook has some issues now. [...]

  • http://www.twenty1.fr/2008/12/19/facebook-mais-ou-se-cache-la-rentabilite/ Facebook : Où se cache la rentabilité ? | Agence de blog d’entreprises Twenty1

    [...] TechCrunch [...]

  • http://backtalkmedia.com/blog/myspace-vs-facebook-advertising-showdown-which-platform-is-better-techcrunch-reports/ MySpace vs. Facebook Advertising Showdown. Which Platform Is Better? TechCrunch Reports | Backtalk Media Blog

    [...] to a point to where they can start bringing in a positive cash flow and can begin turning their now venture capital devouring machine into something that can show signs of actually making some real money. Until they get to this point [...]

  • http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/2008/12/16/yelpy-biz-model-discourse/ Yelpy Biz Model Discourse » Hraba Hospitality Consulting

    [...] the ad model does not bode well for 2.0, as Facebook was massively overvalued and is having money problems http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/10/31/facebooks-growing-problem/ [...]

  • http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/2008/12/17/positioning-web-20-brand-building-but-save-your-money/ Positioning Web 2.0 – brand building, but save your money. » Hraba Hospitality Consulting

    [...] In fact, the big guys are concerned too. CEO Falco from AOL suggested that no one has any idea how to monetize Social Media (http://gigaom.com/2008/04/10/aols-falco-gets-something-right/). The ad model is in question for these 2.0 web outlets: Facebook, Youtube, Yelp, and others. They are not profitable yet, and they have a long way to go. (http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/16-04/bz_socialnetworks, http://money.cnn.com/2008/04/11/technology/facebook_sandberg.fortune/index.htm?postversion=2008041213, http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/10/31/facebooks-growing-problem/) [...]

  • http://www.steinis.ch/index.php/2009/01/01/facebook-braucht-vorerst-kein-geld/ Steini’s Garden » Blog Archive » Facebook braucht vorerst kein Geld

    [...] etwas schwammige Aussage bezieht sich wohl auf die Aussagen bei TechCrunch-Blog, dass der Betrieb und Aufbau von Facebook Unmengen an Geld kostet. Dies ist zweifellos Tatsache, [...]

  • http://www.bilgisayar.name/bilim-ve-teknoloji/facebook-parali-olmayacak.html Facebook paralı olmayacak | Bilgisayar

    [...] büyüyor gibi görünüyor, bu durum sermaye piyasasına düşmesine neden olabilir” başlıklı yazısından hareketle yapılan haberler, gerçeği yansıtmıyor. Michael Arrington’un 2008 yılı [...]

  • http://www.hasangultekin.com/2009/01/13/facebook-parali-olmayacak/ Hasan GÜLTEKİN | Kişisel Web Sitesi » Blog Archive » Facebook paralı olmayacak

    [...] büyüyor gibi görünüyor, bu durum sermaye piyasasına düşmesine neden olabilir” başlıklı yazısından hareketle yapılan haberler, gerçeği yansıtmıyor. Michael Arrington’un 2008 yılı [...]

  • http://www.apiereklama.lt/internetas/idomybes/internetas-uzsipilde/ Internetas užsipildė? | Apie reklama

    [...] youtubai (sako apie 126 petabaitus per mėnesį išparceliuoja), Vimeo, Facebookai sudegynantys milijonus dolerių vien už [...]

  • http://www.manuprasad.com/?p=605 manu prasad » Social Advertising

    [...] As far as advertising goes, the inclusion of Microsoft Live Search into the social network is quite a significant development. Goes without saying that along with the search results, a few ads would also be thrown in. Looks like win-win, for both Microsoft and Facebook. (with their revenue/cost concerns). [...]

  • http://www.prreputationmanagement.net/internet-reputation-blog/financial-woes-for-facebook.php Financial Woes For Facebook? | Press Release -Reputation Management

    [...] has no treats—and no joy, no, not even Almond Joy—for Facebook in reporting about its projected financial woes. For a company once valued at $15 billion, things are looking grim as the cash supplies may dwindle [...]

  • http://seoandranking.com/seoblog/financial-woes-for-facebook.php Financial Woes For Facebook? | SEO Ranking, Marketing and Tactic

    [...] has no treats—and no joy, no, not even Almond Joy—for Facebook in reporting about its projected financial woes. For a company once valued at $15 billion, things are looking grim as the cash supplies may dwindle [...]

  • http://mullygrub.wordpress.com/2009/02/02/facebook-selling-users-details-for-market-research/ Facebook selling users details for market research «

    [...] is a business, and businesses need to be profitable to run.  I am also aware that facebook has struggled in the past to make its revenue model work properly, and that they are looking for ways of making money via advertising. But while this suggestion may [...]

  • http://www.digitalpublic.de/social-network-wer-kennt-wende-wird-von-rtl-gekauft-kein-gewinn-in-sicht Soziale Netzwerke: RTL kauft Wer-Kennt-Wen – keine Gewinnaussichten | digitalpublic.de

    [...] profitabel und hat enorme Schwierigkeiten, höhere Umsätze zu erzielen. Michael Arrington von TechCrunch dokumentierte bereits, dass Facebook monatlich Millionen US-Dollar augibt. Allein für die [...]

  • http://www.akhilyadav.co.cc/happy-billion-impression-month-wp/ Happy Billion Impression Month WP | Akhil’s blog

    [...] Happy Billion Impression Month WP PHP Add comments Easy AdSenser by UnrealCongrats to Matt Mullenweg, who I met unexpectedly last year, on this fantastic achievement.  Via facebook: [...]

  • http://web1.maktoob.com/adblog.maktoob.com/?p=22 Facebook Giving Up on Advertising? « Maktoob.com Advertising Blog

    [...] some the Gulf sovereign Wealth Funds for cash (denied by Facebook). According to a techCrunch report, CFO Gideo Yu was in Dubai last October looking to raise some money — bad timing, [...]

  • http://www.foundchris.com/2009/02/10/facebook-monetization-dare-i-suggest-the-freemium-model/ FoundChris » Blog Archive » Facebook monetization: Dare I suggest the freemium model?

    [...] of Facebook is what every company would want.  But it seem that Zuckerberg’s platform is quite expensive to operate, and that attempts at deriving value from that huge (and growing) user base haven’t realized [...]

  • http://www.hrabaconsulting.com/blog/2008/12/16/more-yelp-biz-model-ramblings-summation-with-industry-pro-articles-and-comments/ More Yelp Biz model ramblings… Summation with industry pro articles and comments » Hraba Hospitality Consulting

    [...] facebook has money problems: http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/10/31/facebooks-growing-problem/ “facebook headed for financial ruin? [...]

  • http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/02/13/facebook-value-lost/ SitePoint » Facebook Loses Face Value – ls Seppuku Imminent?

    [...] Arrington actually did a superb job of “forcasting” Facebook’s impending monetization woes back in October, 2008. According to Arrington (and [...]

  • http://www.akronheadlines.com/2009/02/14/facebook-loses-face-value-ls-seppuku-imminent/ Akron Headlines | Tech News, Sport News, any news that is interesting to Valerie Shipbaugh

    [...] Arrington actually did a superb job of “forcasting” Facebook’s impending monetization woes back in October, 2008. According to Arrington (and [...]

  • http://e-businessleader.com/?p=2701 e-businessleader.com » Blog Archive » Financial Woes For Facebook?

    [...] has no treats—and no joy, no, not even Almond Joy—for Facebook in reporting about its projected financial woes. For a company once valued at $15 billion, things are looking grim as the cash supplies may dwindle [...]

  • http://www.tecnorantes.com/2009/02/18/cansado-de-la-web-20/   Cansado de la web 2.0 by Tecnorantes

    [...] sobre Facebook y Myspace. No se si Facebook está en números negros ya, pero me parece que seguirá perdiendo dinero por un tubo. Myspace creo que ya daba algún beneficio, aunque también falta ver si la inversión que hizo [...]

  • http://66.7.200.160/~brumedia/2008/11/facebook-election-features-coming-to-europe-not-the-eu/ Facebook election features coming to Europe – not the EU @ Brusselsmedia

    [...] which now already has more European users than US-based users (48 millions vs 41 millions) is planning to extend its election features to Europe, CNET [...]

  • http://www.werbeblogger.de/2009/03/10/soziale-netzwerke-ein-paralleluniversum/ Soziale Netzwerke. Ein Paralleluniversum. | Werbeblogger – Weblog über Marketing, Werbung und PR » Blog Archiv » Soziale Netzwerke. Ein Paralleluniversum.

    [...] seien für die Anschaffung von 50.000! Servern in den nächsten 2 Jahren budgetiert, berichtet Techcrunch. Kein Wunder! Facebook muss mittlerweile zentral und als einzelnes Unternehmen eine [...]

  • http://asnoorani53.piczo.com adnan noorani

    how does fb earn money if its free?

  • http://netzwertig.com/0209/03/22/disruptionen-und-redesigns-facebooks-verlorene-jugend/ Disruptionen und Redesigns: Facebooks verlorene Jugend » netzwertig.com

    [...] Unglaubliche 516 Millionen Dollar sind bis jetzt in Facebook investiert worden, und das Unternehmen verbrennt durch sein schnelles Wachstum weiterhin Geld in atemberaubender [...]

  • http://www.7dubai.com/facebook-hemorrhaging-cash-runs-to-dubai-for-money/ Facebook Hemorrhaging Cash, Runs To Dubai For Money | 7 Dubai – Daily News from Dubai to the world

    [...] is “testing the capital markets,” says TechCrunch’s Michael Arrington, seeking more cash to stem its enormous burn rate.  CFO Gideon Yu is reportedly in Dubai, where [...]

  • http://www.futurich.com futurich

    Is facebook the biggest social media platform now?

  • http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/27/facebook-definitely-raising-capital-this-year-google-considered-acquisition/ Facebook “Definitely” Raising Capital This Year; Google Considered Acquisition

    [...] Last October we wrote about how Facebook’s breakaway growth combined with a declining advertising market was forcing the company back to the capital markets. [...]

  • http://www.charged.co.za/latest-news/facebook-%e2%80%9cdefinitely%e2%80%9d-raising-capital-this-year-google-considered-acquisition Facebook “Definitely” Raising Capital This Year; Google Considered Acquisition | CHARGED’s Digital Lifestyle at Work or Play

    [...] Last October we wrote about how Facebook’s breakaway growth combined with a declining advertising market was forcing the company back to the capital markets. [...]

  • http://www.thefaredge.com/?p=1555 The Far Edge » Blog Archive » Facebook “Definitely” Raising Capital This Year; Google Considered Acquisition

    [...] Last October we wrote about how Facebook’s breakaway growth combined with a declining advertising market was forcing the company back to the capital markets. [...]

  • http://www.thefaredge.com/?p=1555 The Far Edge » Blog Archive » Facebook “Definitely” Raising Capital This Year; Google Considered Acquisition

    [...] Last October we wrote about how Facebook’s breakaway growth combined with a declining advertising market was forcing the company back to the capital markets. [...]

  • http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/27/is-facebook-purposefully-lowballing-its-official-user-numbers/ Is Facebook Purposefully Lowballing Its Official User Numbers?

    [...] they proudly announcing it? Perhaps because of all of the speculation on Facebook’s absurd growth over the last year. Specifically, all that growth is leading to outside analysis of Facebook’s costs, and when [...]

  • Aaron

    If Facebook was charging 50 million users $5 a month, they’d be doing quite well.

  • http://www.netdesk.co.uk/site/2009/social-marketing/facebook-%e2%80%9cdefinitely%e2%80%9d-raising-capital-this-year-google-considered-acquisition/ Facebook “Definitely” Raising Capital This Year; Google Considered Acquisition | netdesk

    [...] Last October we wrote about how Facebook’s breakaway growth combined with a declining advertising market was forcing the company back to the capital markets. [...]

  • http://www.netdesk.co.uk/site/2009/social-marketing/is-facebook-purposefully-lowballing-its-official-user-numbers-2/ Is Facebook Purposefully Lowballing Its Official User Numbers? | netdesk

    [...] they proudly announcing it? Perhaps because of all of the speculation on Facebook’s absurd growth over the last year. Specifically, all that growth is leading to outside analysis of Facebook’s costs, and when [...]

  • http://reviewsmanual.com/is-facebook-purposefully-lowballing-its-official-user-numbers.html Is Facebook Purposefully Lowballing Its Official User Numbers? | Reviews Manual

    [...] they proudly announcing it? Perhaps because of every of the reflection on Facebook’s absurd ontogeny over the terminal year. Specifically, every that ontogeny is directive to right psychotherapy of Facebook’s costs, [...]

  • Jon

    Sources? I realize you may want to protect people leaking information, but I’d be very interested in knowing how you based your assumptions on their cost of equipment/electricity. At the very least, I’d like to know who some of these “experts” are.

  • http://onhit.net/facebook-%e2%80%9cdefinitely%e2%80%9d-raising-capital-this-year-google-considered-acquisition/ Facebook “Definitely” Raising Capital This Year; Google Considered Acquisition

    [...] Last October we wrote about how Facebook’s breakaway growth combined with a declining advertising market was forcing the company back to the capital markets. [...]

  • http://www.thescriptszone.com/facebook-%e2%80%9cdefinitely%e2%80%9d-raising-capital-this-year-google-considered-acquisition/ Facebook “Definitely” Raising Capital This Year; Google Considered Acquisition | The Scripts Zone

    [...] Last October we wrote about how Facebook’s breakaway growth combined with a declining advertising market was forcing the company back to the capital markets. [...]

  • http://jp.techcrunch.com/archives/20090327facebook-definitely-raising-capital-this-year-google-considered-acquisition/ Facebook、今年は「絶対に」追加の資金調達が必要―Googleが買収を考慮か?

    [...] 昨年の10月、ユーザー数の爆発的な増加と広告市場の不振のせいで Facebookは新たな資金調達の必要に迫られるだろうとわれわれは予測した。 [...]

  • http://jp.techcrunch.com/archives/20090327is-facebook-purposefully-lowballing-its-official-user-numbers/ Facebookはユーザ数を意図的に少なめに公表しているのか?

    [...] Facebookのユーザ数が1億7500万や2億よりずっと多いのなら、なぜそれを誇らしげに公表しないのか? それはたぶん、Facebookは昨年異様なほど大きくなった、という世評を気にしているからだ。人びとはその大きな成長の費用を計算して、これじゃあもっともっとお金が要るねと勘ぐる。 [...]

  • http://www.gruenderszene.de/allgemein/kurzmitteilungen-twitter-facebook-umts/ Kurzmitteilungen: Twitter, Facebook, UMTS | Gründerszene

    [...] ausreicht, um seiner immensen Wachstumsrate gerecht zu werden. Bereits früher gab es immer wieder Berichte, das Unternehmen wachse zu schnell und müsse deshalb noch einmal auf dem Kapitalmarkt zuschlagen. [...]

  • http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/31/facebook-sure-does-have-trouble-keeping-execs/ Facebook Sure Does Have Trouble Keeping Execs

    [...] years, the company announced today via a leak to the Wall Street Journal. Gideon Yu, the man who came back from Dubai empty handed, is out. The hunt for his successor is starting [...]

  • http://ramine.net/2009/03/31/facebook-is-readying-for-an-exit/ Facebook is readying for an exit « The Ramine Darabiha Blog

    [...] interesting is that Gideon Yu failed to raise money at Facebook recently, which is rather surprising, and what this [...]

  • http://dailymarauder.com/2009/03/31/online-servicesinteractive-media-428/ ONLINE SERVICES/INTERACTIVE MEDIA « Daily Marauder

    [...] years, the company announced today via a leak to the Wall Street Journal. Gideon Yu, the man who came back from Dubai empty handed, is out. The hunt for his successor is starting now. [...]

  • http://shankarsoma.wordpress.com/2009/04/01/facebook-have-trouble-keeping-execs/ Facebook Have Trouble Keeping Execs « shankarsoma; Change the View

    [...] years, the company announced today via a leak to the Wall Street Journal. Gideon Yu, the man who came back from Dubai empty handed, is out. The hunt for his successor is starting [...]

  • http://jp.techcrunch.com/archives/20090331facebook-sure-does-have-trouble-keeping-execs/ Facebookは役員が逃げ出したくなる体質?

    [...] Street Journalへのリークの形で発表した。辞めるのはドバイから手ぶらで帰った男、Gideon [...]

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  • http://www.markivim.co.il איקאה

    same as google .they didnt know what we=ill they make money of till late 2001.
    face book will come up with something that maximize their profit.

  • http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/06/facebook-completes-rollout-of-haystack-to-stem-losses-from-massive-photo-uploads/ Facebook Completes Rollout Of Haystack To Stem Losses From Massive Photo Uploads

    [...] they been buying? Stuff to serve up all these massive page views, and photos in particular. In our post last October, when Facebook was fishing for dollars in Dubai, we noted some of their expenses, including a [...]

  • http://jp.techcrunch.com/archives/20090406facebook-completes-rollout-of-haystack-to-stem-losses-from-massive-photo-uploads/ Facebook、独自の写真配信ネットワーク、Haystackを完成―収益性の改善に寄与か?

    [...] それでは一体何を買ったのか? 膨大なページビューを維持し、そして何より写真を配信するための装置一式に違いない。昨年10月、Facebookがドバイで資金調達を試みていた際、われわれは、一式 $2M(200万ドル)のNetAppシステム多数を含むストレージのために大量の資金が必要とされていることを次のように指摘した。 専門家によると、Facebookは電気代だけで月に$1M(100万ドル)支払っているという。さらにインターネットの帯域に$500,000(50万ドル)かそこらかかる。同社は今年から来年にかけて5万台のサーバの購入にあてるために$100M(1億ドル)を用意している。 さらに情報源によれば、Facebookはユーザーの生成するコンテンツを格納するために毎週NetApp 3070ストレージ・システム、1セットを購入しているという。このシステムは最高$2M(200万ドル)するので、トータルはあっという間に巨額になる。今年、NetAppだけでも$30M(3千万ドル)を使ったものとみられている。これに加えて、オフィスやデータセンターの賃貸料が$15M(1500万ドル)必要とされる。 [...]

  • http://www.greenzer.com/blog/1834-facebook-and-the-environment.html Is Your Facebook Wall Adding to Global Warming? | Daily Greenz, the Blog from Greenzer.com

    [...] experts have estimated that Facebook is spending about $1 million per month on electricity and Facebook has yet to announce plans to utilize renewable energies or clarified, as some [...]

  • http://www.beforeiforget.co.uk/2009/what-are-friends-for/ BEFORE i FORGET » WHAT ARE FRIENDS FOR? written by Simon Jones

    [...] is bad for the brain Judge rules that facebook friends aren’t friends Facebook’s growing problem Adbusters : Quit facebook Quitting facebook gets easier What to do when old photos of you appear on [...]

  • http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/15/decision-time-for-facebook-term-sheets-received-at-2-billion-valuation/ Decision Time For Facebook: Term Sheets Received At $2 Billion Valuation

    [...] itself to an IPO sometime in the future. We’ve known that since October, when (former) CFO Gideon Yu was in Dubai. In December CEO Mark Zuckerberg said the company was open to raising new money but only at the [...]

  • http://reviewsmanual.com/decision-time-for-facebook-term-sheet-received-at-2-billion-valuation.html Decision Time For Facebook: Term Sheet Received At $2 Billion Valuation | Reviews Manual

    [...] an commercialism sometime in the future. We’ve famous that since October, when (former) CFO Gideon Yu was in Dubai. In Dec CEO Mark Zuckerberg said the consort was unstoppered to raising newborn money but exclusive [...]

  • http://onhit.net/decision-time-for-facebook-term-sheet-received-at-2-billion-valuation/ Decision Time For Facebook: Term Sheet Received At $2 Billion Valuation

    [...] itself to an IPO sometime in the future. We’ve known that since October, when (former) CFO Gideon Yu was in Dubai. In December CEO Mark Zuckerberg said the company was open to raising new money but only at the [...]

  • http://www.rajajasti.com/2009/04/16/bandwidth-doesnt-grow-on-trees/ Bandwidth doesn’t grow on trees « Raja Jasti’s Blog – Renaissance Thinking

    [...] store and serve up all the photos, videos, and other junk you stuff into your profile. Last year, TechCrunch reported that Facebook spends $1 million a month on electricity, $500,000 a month on bandwidth, and up to $2 [...]

  • http://jp.techcrunch.com/archives/20090415decision-time-for-facebook-term-sheets-received-at-2-billion-valuation/ 意思決定を求められるFacebook:$2Bの評価額によるタームシートを受け取り

    [...] ここ数ヶ月、Facebookは将来のIPOに備えるために新たな投資ラウンドの実施を狙っている。TechCrunchではこの情報を(元)CFOのGideon Yuがドバイを訪問していたときに掴んでいた。12月にはCEOのMark Zuckerbergが、マイクロソフトによる$15B(150億ドル)の評価に基づく投資に対しては門戸を開いていると述べていた。 [...]

  • http://www.biz-net.eu/2009/04/scoopeo-its-over/ Scoopeo, it’s over | Biz-Net

    [...] Let’s not forget this is also an issue that still remains for major growing sites such as Facebook and [...]

  • http://winsty.com/?p=11 User-generated content may have changed the Internet, but sites like YouTube are suffocating under the costs of storing it « winsty

    [...] store and serve up all the photos, videos, and other junk you stuff into your profile. Last year, TechCrunch reported that Facebook spends $1 million a month on electricity, $500,000 a month on bandwidth, and up to $2 [...]

  • http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/30/facebook-gets-three-times-more-efficient-at-storing-photos-with-haystack/ Facebook Gets Three Times More Efficient At Finding Photos In Its Humungous Haystack

    [...] for its photos, and that is growing at a rate of 25 terabytes a week. Last year, Facebook spent an estimated $30 million on NetApp storage appliances alone just to keep up with the growth of photos and other uploaded [...]

  • http://www.stoth.com/2009/04/30/facebook-gets-three-times-more-efficient-at-finding-photos-in-its-humungous-haystack/ Facebook Gets Three Times More Efficient At Finding Photos In Its Humungous Haystack | Stoth

    [...] for its photos, and that is growing at a rate of 25 terabytes a week. Last year, Facebook spent an estimated $30 million on NetApp storage appliances alone just to keep up with the growth of photos and other uploaded [...]

  • http://www.techeroid.com/2009/04/30/facebook-gets-three-times-more-efficient-at-finding-photos-in-its-humungous-haystack/ Techeroid » Facebook Gets Three Times More Efficient At Finding Photos In Its Humungous Haystack

    [...] for its photos, and that is growing at a rate of 25 terabytes a week. Last year, Facebook spent an estimated $30 million on NetApp storage appliances alone just to keep up with the growth of photos and other uploaded [...]

  • http://thegoodnetguide.com/04/facebook-gets-three-times-more-efficient-at-finding-photos-in-its-humungous-haystack/ Facebook Gets Three Times More Efficient At Finding Photos In Its Humungous Haystack | The Good NET Guide

    [...] for its photos, and that is growing at a rate of 25 terabytes a week. Last year, Facebook spent an estimated $30 million on NetApp storage appliances alone just to keep up with the growth of photos and other uploaded [...]

  • http://www.charged.co.za/latest-news/facebook-gets-three-times-more-efficient-at-finding-photos-in-its-humungous-haystack Facebook Gets Three Times More Efficient At Finding Photos In Its Humungous Haystack | CHARGED’s Digital Lifestyle at Work or Play

    [...] for its photos, and that is growing at a rate of 25 terabytes a week. Last year, Facebook spent an estimated $30 million on NetApp storage appliances alone just to keep up with the growth of photos and other uploaded [...]

  • http://jp.techcrunch.com/archives/20090430facebook-gets-three-times-more-efficient-at-storing-photos-with-haystack/ FacebookのHaystackは写真ストレージを3倍効率的にする新技術

    [...] 150億枚(異なるサイズの複製もいれれば600億枚)の写真を抱えるFacebookは、写真アプリケーションのためだけに膨大なストレージ場所を食われている。メンバーは毎週2億2千万枚の写真をアップロードしている。Facebookの写真ストレージの容量は1.5PB(ペタバイト)で、毎週25TB(テラバイト)ずつ増加している。昨年Facebookは写真を始めとするコンテンツの増加に対応するためにNetAppのストレージ機器の購入に$30M(3千万ドル)を支払っていると推定されている。このコストを少しでも減らすために、FacebookはHaystackという独自のストレージ技術を開発した。 [...]

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Carina_Janek/1398101053 Carina Janek

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  • http://secondlifeshrink.com/2009/05/10/is-that-a-blog-in-your-pocket/ Is that a blog in your pocket? « Second Life Shrink

    [...] a couple of weeks ago about the economics of social networking sites. Apparently Facebook spends US$1.5 million on electricity and bandwidth every month, and US$2 million a week on new hardware, all to store and display user-derived content that is proving hard to monetise. YouTube has [...]

  • http://venturebeat.com/2009/05/16/facebook-raises-150-million-more-to-cash-out-employees/ Facebook raises $150 million more to cash out employees » VentureBeat

    [...] said speculation last last year by TechCrunch about Facebook’s server costs were an “order of magnitude wrong:” He added: “There’s a perception that [...]

  • http://tech.holoview.net/?p=172 TECHNICK » Facebook raises $150 million more to cash out employees

    [...] said speculation last last year by TechCrunch about Facebook’s server costs were an “order of magnitude wrong:” He added: “There’s a perception that [...]

  • http://www.mujtaba-k.com/internet/facebook-raises-150-million-more-to-cash-out-employees.htm Facebook raises $150 million more to cash out employees | Mujtaba-K.com – Daily Latest Technology News Buzz

    [...] said speculation last last year by TechCrunch about Facebook’s server costs were an “order of magnitude wrong:” He added: “There’s a perception that our costs are [...]

  • http://www.internazionale.it/newhome/?p=99 Conti in rosso per YouTube — Internazionale

    [...] video e tutto quello che mettete nel vostro profilo, il social network deve sostenere costi enormi. L’anno scorso TechCrunch ha scritto che Facebook spende un milione di dollari al mese di elettricità, 500mila dollari al mese per la banda e quasi [...]

  • http://doughamlin.com/blog/youtube-makes-newspapers-look-like-a-good-investment/ YouTube makes newspapers look like a good investment at Doug’s Blog

    [...] then there’s Facebook: Last year, TechCrunch reported that Facebook spends $1 million a month on electricity, $500,000 a month on bandwidth, and up to [...]

  • http://paulohenriquepontocom.wordpress.com/2009/05/31/sem-dinheiro-twitter-nao-pode-fazer-muito-mais-do-que-ja-faz/ Sem dinheiro Twitter não pode fazer muito mais do que já faz. « PauloHenrique.com

    [...] Crescimento descentralizado do twitter fora de US complica um pouco o modelo de advertising. Veja o caso do facebook que nao consegue pagar a conta da estrutura fora de US. [...]

  • http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/07/the-morality-and-effectiveness-of-process-journalism/ The Morality And Effectiveness Of Process Journalism

    [...] Facebook In Dubai Raising More Money (story was 100% true, despite the fact that Facebook continuously denied that they were raising more money right up until they announced that they had raised more money) [...]

  • http://tech-framers.com/the-morality-and-effectiveness-of-process-journalism The Morality And Effectiveness Of Process Journalism | Tech-Framers

    [...] Facebook In Dubai Raising More Money (story was 100% true, despite the fact that Facebook continuously denied that they were raising more money right up until they announced that they had raised more money) [...]

  • http://lecanardchanceux.wordpress.com/2009/06/08/facebook-et-le-syndrome-du-canard/ “Facebook et le syndrome du canard” « Le canard chanceux

    [...] : Visiblement je ne suis pas le seul à emmetre des doutes quand à la viabilité de Facebook : Facebook May Be Growing Too Fast. And Hitting The Capital Markets Again. En résumé : ils ont dépensés la quasi totalié des 500 millions de $ levés cette année, [...]

  • http://www.thefaredge.com/?p=4922 The Far Edge » Blog Archive » The Morality And Effectiveness Of Process Journalism

    [...] Facebook In Dubai Raising More Money (story was 100% true, despite the fact that Facebook continuously denied that they were raising more money right up until they announced that they had raised more money) [...]

  • http://www.thefaredge.com/?p=4922 The Far Edge » Blog Archive » The Morality And Effectiveness Of Process Journalism

    [...] Facebook In Dubai Raising More Money (story was 100% true, despite the fact that Facebook continuously denied that they were raising more money right up until they announced that they had raised more money) [...]

  • http://charlesbmedia.wordpress.com/2009/06/17/is-myspaces-track-record-a-preview-of-what-facebook-can-anticipate/ Is Myspace’s track record a preview of what Facebook can anticipate ? « Charles Burroughs Media Blog

    [...] they’re buying almost one NetApp per week, each costing around 2 million dollars. Plus, the electricity bill to run all this data is over 1 million dollars a month, and the bandwidth to support the site is [...]

  • http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/17/phase-4-of-facebooks-systematic-attack-on-twitter-the-everyone-button/ Phase 4 Of Facebook’s Systematic Attack On Twitter: The Everyone Button

    [...] down to its core magic, you’d have Twitter’s real time news stream with a really expensive-to-maintain photo site bolted [...]

  • http://cellphoneultra.com/phase-4-of-facebook-s-systematic-attack-on-twitter-the-everyone-button/ Phase 4 Of Facebook’s Systematic Attack On Twitter: The Everyone Button | Cellphone Ultra

    [...] down to its core magic, you’d have Twitter’s real moment news stream with a really expensive-to-maintain photo site bolted [...]

  • http://www.aburjubur.com/2009/06/17/phase-4-of-facebook%e2%80%99s-systematic-attack-on-twitter-the-everyone-button/ Aburjubur.com » Phase 4 Of Facebook’s Systematic Attack On Twitter: The Everyone Button

    [...] down to its core magic, you’d have Twitter’s real time news stream with a really expensive-to-maintain photo site bolted [...]

  • http://www.thefaredge.com/?p=5343 The Far Edge » Blog Archive » Phase 4 Of Facebook’s Systematic Attack On Twitter: The Everyone Button

    [...] Facebook down to its core magic, you’d have Twitter’s real time news stream with a really expensive-to-maintain photo site bolted [...]

  • http://jp.techcrunch.com/archives/20090615twitter-reschedules-maintenance-to-allow-iranian-protests-to-continue-2/ Facebook、「ウェブ全体に公開」ボタンを設置―Twitterへの攻撃、第4弾

    [...] Facebookの魅力を煎じつめると、リアルタイムのニュースフィード、プラス、(運営のために天文学的経費を必要とする)写真共有サイトということになるだろう。 [...]

  • http://perspextive.wordpress.com/2009/06/29/social-values/ Online Sites Bring Offline $$$ « It’s My PeRspextive

    [...] We often hear about many of the major social networking sites operating in the red and trying to make ends meet. Tech crunch reported Facebook money loses in late 2009 ( Facebook May Be Growing Too Fast. And Hitting The Capital Markets Again) [...]

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  • http://masmunich.wordpress.com/2008/11/10/making-money-on-myspace-payments-and-virtual-gifts-coming-soon/ Making Money On MySpace: Payments and Virtual Gifts Coming Soon « masmedia

    [...] a sudden rush to figure out how they are going to make money. Facebook and MySpace are also under more pressure to ramp up revenues these [...]

  • Dodydrose

    The response to national disaster is noble but it’s a damn shame that so many people take advantage of the negative situations.

    I mean everytime there is an earthquake, a flood, an oil spill – there’s always a group of heartless people who rip off tax payers.

    This is in response to reading that 4 of Oprah Winfreys “angels” got busted ripping off the system. Shame on them!
    http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/08/19/crimesider/entry5251471.shtml

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  • steve

    Look why does it cost so much for something as facebook,its a website that means it can be made for free…if u choose the long i wold think that u wouldnt need much cost on the website maintainence itsels…it doesnt need any payments to be paid unless sponspored so can u guys anw why does facebook cost so much other than the employees, directors..etc or by sponcering itself

  • http://www.chairmanmiao.com/?p=33 Lin Miao – Official Site » Forget Waiting Until Facebook IPO’s, Invest in Infrastructure

    [...] Two years ago, they were buying 1 NetApp 3070 storage devices a week at a cost of $2 million: http://techcrunch.com/2008/10/31/facebooks-growing-problem/ . Today, that number has grown to 4 per week. All of this has helped grow the company “NetApp” [...]

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    The company is likely spending well over a $1 million per month on electricity alone, say experts we’ve spoken with. Bandwidth is likely another $500,000 or more per month on top of that.

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    Facebook is great, thanks for the post!

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