Australia Joins China In Censoring The Internet
Duncan Riley
Dec 30, 2007

rudd.jpgThe Australian Government has announced that they will be joining China as one of the few countries globally that broadly censor the internet.

The Labor Party’s policy was announced prior to the Australian Election in November (release here) and was justified on the basis that the previous Government’s policy of providing free copies of NetNanny to all Australian households who wanted it didn’t adequately protect children.

As recently as the week prior to the election, Labor Party candidates were telling those concerned about the proposed law that the censorship wouldn’t be compulsory, and that the “clean feed” would be opt-in, not opt-out. Today’s announcement by Telecommunications Minister Stephen Conroy states that the censorship regime will be mandatory, although people will be able to opt-out of it. The problem of course then becomes if you opt-out questions will be asked as to why you want out, which in itself may lead to Government monitoring.

To be censored by the Australian Government is “pornography and inappropriate material.” X rated pornography is illegal online in Australia, as are casino style internet gambling, certain forms of “hate” speech and R rated computer games. BitTorrent would be a possibility, even if certain downloads for personal use may be legal under Australian law, sharing those downloads would not be. How far “inappropriate material” may extend was not made clear, for example questioning Government policy where it comes to Aboriginal people could be deemed to be discrimination under Australian law and hence blocked by the censorship regime. Worst still, bloggers or those (such as forum owners) who allow users to comment or post could find themselves blocked under this proposal should someone say or post the wrong thing. If there is one certainty in any country that implements broadscale censorship, once they start blocking content it doesn’t stop, and certainly every do-gooder group and special interest lobbyist will be wanting the Government to add to the list.

There is also a potential cost involved to Australian Internet users. The previous Government regularly cited feedback from ISP’s stating that the cost of implementing a “clean feed” would be passed onto internet users, who already pay some of the highest internet access costs in the Western world for on average slow services.

Notably Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd was a former Australian Diplomat in China, and speaks fluent Mandarin; given Australia’s boom is fueled by mineral exports to China, it would seem that Australian Government policies are now by China in return. This video from before the election may have foretold some of the future.


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  • Alex

    I’d like to be the first to congratulate Australia for taking a step back. Actually, make that 25 years!

    btw- how many employees does Telstra have these days?

  • Peter Antypas

    So now we’ll need proxy servers for Australia as well?

  • http://tinfinger.blogspot.com Paul Montgomery

    I have complete faith in the Australian public service completely buggering up the implementation of this supposed system, jsut like they did for the last lot.

  • Duncan Riley

    Peter (#2)
    until the Government works out that proxies can be used to bypass the censorship by kiddies and they’ll block them as well

  • http://www.stevepronger.com Steve

    With the change of Government I thought we would be taking a step forward, not two steps backward with our expensive, slow and now filtered Internet services.

  • http://www.techindemand.com/ James Mowery

    How long until America goes the same route? These are the greatest times of the internet. A few years from now, many of us will be looking back at these times and wonder what happened.

    Cyber terrorism, piracy, and much more are only a few factors that are going to influence how access to the internet is allowed in the near future. Using the internet is merely a privilege, not a right, under U.S. law.

    Enjoy these times, as things will be very different in the future.

  • Peter Antypas

    Paul (#3)

    Big Government = incompetence and corruption everywhere

    So yes, it will be a nice laugh :)

  • http://gregorylent.com gregory

    ah, thanks…. just is time to cancel my trip… can’t be supporting that kind of mind

  • http://www.fabianschonholz.com Fabian Schonholz

    So … I guess democracy is not so democratic after all. I would have expected better from Australia. But then it shows you how much I know.

    News like this remind me of the movie “Escape From Los Angeles”. Indeed Snake … press that button.

  • http://www.digital-lifestyles.com digital-lifestyles

    Is it possible to ban using proxy?

  • http://gregorylent.com gregory

    ha… porn is just pixels, kids know this, it is the adults who think it is real… and violence? why the internet and not tv??

  • http://dpn.name David Novakovic

    I thought this group I joined after the election might be relevant about now.

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5923057837

  • Matthew Block

    Australia takes another step back, and America is lined up to be the next to do so…

  • http://wow-factor.com John

    What a beat up for the end of the year.

    Many Aus ISP’s have and offer an OPT IN for censorship as part of a “responsible Service Provider code of ehics.”

    All the pollies have done is try and win brownie points by making it OPT OUT.

    They have assumed, based on what I don’t know, that most parents want the Internet filtered.
    Before they had to do a bit of homework. Now they don’t.
    I and the vast majority have to tick a box. So what?

    Settle down TechCrunch, or in 08 your beat ups will catch up with you.

  • http://www.anotherpointlessblog.com Matt

    Ahh, this is good that it will filter out the ‘bad’ sites. but undoubtedly it will also filter the innocent sites through mistakes!

  • http://simply-basic.com John Kolbert

    Matt, what’s good about it? If people don’t want to look at bad sites, they can chose for themselves. Compulsion by the government is not ever a solution unless real harm (aka, child pornography) is involved. Of course gambling and pornography leads to moral complacency, but let them chose for them selves.

    All I can say, is God bless the US of A.

  • Blairman

    This is total betrayal. My preferences went to Labor and I never thought they would try something like this, even Howard wouldn’t have tried to broadly censor the internet. We need a bill of rights in this country. I am sick of big government creeping up and attacking our freedoms. I always thought the conservative talk from Rudd was just to win the election, but this is over the top. Most Australians I know have looked at internet porn, and how are we going to know the government won’t block sites that criticise government policy? Stephen Conroy is a fool according to the Latham Diaries, where Latham journals how Conroy just wanted to be a shadow minister and didn’t care what portfolio. He obviously doesn’t give a damn about policy either. Then again, maybe Rudd is angry about the youtube video of him eating his own ear wax.

  • ryan

    man suks to be me…..dam i hate rudd i didnt remember him tellins me that allthough it says he did….maybe sum1 in the labour side made this article and posted a fake link saying he said it XD wot a lame

  • http://opponent.de/ Marco

    This is just crap. These damn Socialists. The advantage and the cause of rapid progression in the internet sphere is because it’s an unregulated, uncensored, a really free space for making great, creative and innovative ideas something “real” and useful. They will destroy this spirit.

  • http://sethf.com/ Seth Finkelstein

    [Argh ... third try, for sure]

    See my _Guardian_ Column on government Of Australia national censorware plan, from a few months ago:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/sep/13/guardianweeklytechnologysection.comment

    “What is really under discussion is control of people. Calling it
    ‘censorware’ has the advantage of clarity”

    Note I don’t like the title they gave it (“The internet can’t be censored and it’s wrong for governments to try”). I don’t assert categorically that the Internet can’t be censored, in fact “Can you censor the Internet?” is the question I’ve explored for many years.

  • johns

    And I thought Australia was a free, democratic country. Sheese. Protecting “THE CHILDREN” from exposure to the real world is not an excuse for censorship in a truly free society.

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  • Simon Russell

    Could somebody post a link to an article that actually states what the policy is? All I can see here is some xenophobic crap, and a link to an article where the government states what it _isn’t_ doing. If you strip out all the scaremongering, I can’t actually find much content.

    The only stuff I can find anywhere else is saying that the government is going to require age verification for sites hosted in Australia with certain sort of content (seems okay), and for mobile services with similar sorts of content (also seems okay). (Would need to see how that’s going to work in practice though.)

    Regarding the blocking of stuff that’s illegal in Australia — if people want to look at that, then perhaps they should work to make it not illegal? Is there something wrong with blocking illegal content? You can’t sell or transmit that stuff any other way, so why on the internet?

    I also can’t find evidence that there is any great firewall being set up — that’s not to say there isn’t; it’s just that this is another TechCrunch article with no useful links.

  • Duncan Riley

    Blairman (#17)
    my House of Reps vote did too (not that it made any differnce), I really wish I hadn’t now.

    Simon
    http://alp.org.au/download/labors_plan_for_cyber_safety.pdf
    which if you’d followed the ALP link in the post you would have found
    Sorry, when you start censoring stuff it never stops. Child porno is the excuse but the net is far, far wider than that. There is a great firewall being set up, read the link details.

  • http://opponent.de/ Marco

    @ 21. Simon Russell “Is there something wrong with blocking illegal content?”

    Who decides what’s “legal”?

  • http://tinfinger.blogspot.com Paul Montgomery

    @ 21. That is the problem, this is one of those stories where politicians legislate via press conference, and there is no documentation to back it up. Although I do have a stab at explaining it here:

    http://tinfinger.blogspot.com/2007/12/stephen-conroy-storms-into-censorship.html

  • http://tinfinger.blogspot.com Paul Montgomery
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  • desik

    Despite the groundbreaking work TC did with presidential candidates attitudes towards technology recently the reality is politicians of every shade fear losing power just as much as we fear them abusing it and the internet clearly poses a threat to the way traditional top down politics is done.

    This more than any real fear of pornography or cyber terrorism is what will see Governments of every persuasion looking very keenly at any ‘respectable’ development to reign in the freedoms people have become used to on the net.

    We have more to fear from politicians than perverts.

  • Sam H.

    I voted for this government on the grounds of them building a new telecoms infrastructure seperate from telstra. this is a complete betrayal. i will be voting for the libs again next time.

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  • Simon Russell

    @Duncan

    Thanks for the link — but isn’t that just what they announced before the election? I want to know what’s changed, that’s made you post this story.

    You are somewhat correct about censorship, but comparing it to China (or any other country with significantly different laws) is a bit ridiculous — there is stuff which is illegal there that isn’t illegal in Australia. And nobody’s proposing Australia start filtering stuff which isn’t illegal.

    The use of the child pornography thing by the government is a bit of a cop-out though, I always hate it when discussions come down to that. It’s just a way of cutting off debate, because no-one could possibly argue _for_ the distribution of it.

    @23 (Marco)

    The citizens of the country decide what’s illegal, via the government. Then there is a separate organisation (that governments frequently disagree with for not being harsh enough) that decides what ratings certain things get — and that’s within the fairly limited scope of the laws as defined at that time, and the current social and moral standards.

    Australia has a censorship system that works reasonably well for films, TV, games etc. There seems nothing wrong with extending that to the internet.

    There are ways to make this sort of thing work _acceptably_ (obviously there will always be some issues) — mainly the separation of responsibility and power, and no central monitoring.

    I’m not saying that this is necessarily a good thing; it certainly has to be implemented properly. But from what I see of their policy, if implemented properly people won’t actually notice — most people probably aren’t visiting these sites.

    If sites start getting blocked because of their political content (for example), I’ll be one of the first people protesting, however. Luckily, unlike some other countries with heavy filtering, we’re free to change it.

    @ 24 (Paul)

    Thanks for the link. You are correct that without ISP involvement, this won’t go very far.

  • http://www.zedwards.com zedwards

    I don’t see the similarity with China. Australians have a choice. If “the people” decide they want censors, then isn’t it is still a democratic decision? Just because parents outnumber freedom lovers it may seem a bit unfair. Maybe democracy is overrated.

  • grah

    remember this, for this won’t be the first time this labor government treats our liberties with such disregard.

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  • http://winandfun.com/ WinAndFun.com

    One more country that makes a big step back…

    Next step… People will allow to visit only the sites that the goverment wants…
    Is this the meaning of manipulate a country?

  • http://biotechapplications.net/ biotech applications

    These are the same people that did not ratify the Kyoto Protocol after all.

  • http://www.nietnuttig.nl/2007/12/31/na-china-nu-ook-internet-censuur-in-autralie/ Na china nu ook internet censuur in Autralie » Niet nuttig, of wel?
  • johns

    @27 Sam H. – I voted for this government on the grounds of them building a new telecoms infrastructure separate from telstra. this is a complete betrayal. i will be voting for the libs again next time.

    And that is the problem with TOO MANY VOTERS! Many people hear and focus only on their few pet issues and cast their vote for the candidate/party that best speaks to these issues. Then they get blindsided by the reality of who they voted for after they are safely in office.

    Here in the USA, this happened most recently with Bush in ’04 when many voted for a 2nd term on the single issue of fear of a terrorist around every corner. Now, many are aligning with Ron Paul, similarly based only on consideration of a limited number of talking points, most (if not all) of which he would have absolutely no power to change. You need to consider the total package and look closely at all the positions that the candidate and the party has championed in the past. Yeah, it’s a lot of work but you get stuck with what you choose. You want to try and make the best overall choice possible.

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  • http://www.webjogging.blogspot.com Remy Wilders

    Obviously censorship can be a real danger and can’t be the solution to the possible threat that internet can be to children. Selfishly I am therefore 100% against australia’s move, but the truth is I have a couple of young children and that I am sometimes worried regarding them using internet. Netnanny (or similar) is a good solution of course but I can’t help wondering about about my children’s friends whose parents don’t have an idea about how a computer works (let alone the Internet) but who buy a computer and an access to the web for opening the world to their children. There will definitely never be a Netnanny on these computers. So what can be done? Only a few weeks ago I heard about these two girls who committed suicide after diving deep into gothic sites.
    All this to say that it is really not simple and maybe some of you who have children know what I’m talking about… There must be some solution which is other than censorship… At one time, for instance, it was proposed that pornograpgic sites all have the extension .xxx , but that went down the drain.

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  • NickeyD

    Australia following the steps of Mao. How will New Zealand respond ?

  • facebookjunkie

    This sounds familiar…

    “Move three steps back”

    and pretty soon…

    “Go directly to jail. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200.”

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  • http://buzvia.com/woodmarvels.com Jon

    How exactly does censorship work if you get your internet through a sat phone? They can censor hard lines but I doubt they can do the same with those guys (owned by private companies).

    Jon

  • Chris

    may the article and picture with some ideology ,I don’t think it’s compatible in TechCrunch as an IT blog 。
    OK,it’s a open world,I only Comment it with my little unhappy feeling as a Chinese and TC reader.

  • http://www.spidaweb.com Scott Barnes

    but its for the kids… i hate it when politicians use the “for the good of our kids” card on matters that go far beyond the initial reactive remarks.

    I love how he contradicts himself:

    “Senator Conroy says it will be mandatory for all internet service providers to provide clean feeds, or ISP filtering, to houses and schools that are free of pornography and inappropriate material.”..

    Ok so we need to protect the kids from surfing the web + porn at school. Hey i’m for that, lets do that – wait isn’t that what most software out there today does.. but lets add another layer of protection for good measure. SO.. no problem with that so far…

    “Labor makes no apologies to those that argue that any regulation of the internet is like going down the Chinese road,” he said.

    Oook.. now i’m nervous.. he likes the Chinese way of life… Isn’t labour political colors red.. ok now i have a sinking feeling in my stomach..

    “If people equate freedom of speech with watching child pornography, then the Rudd-Labor Government is going to disagree.”

    There we go, he went for the “..it will stop Child pornography, mark my words” angle. Who could dare to refute that.. Oh wait.. if i recall the kids involved in such content ARE THE ONES GETTING MOLESTED.. not the ones viewing the said molestation.. so i’m still scratching the old head wondering how this is going to rid the world of child pornography.. but none the less it has a great distraction momentum attached to it..

    “Senator Conroy says anyone wanting uncensored access to the internet will have to opt out of the service.”

    Ok.. now i’m lost yet again… so on one hand they want to protect us from ourselves so to speak, yet equally you have the chance to sign a waiver i guess to say “I want to see Paris Hiltons home video, and i want it now..”

    Now i’m guessing.. it’s only a crazy wild guess but that may also be a gateway to allow pedophiles to say “..err yeah.. i want to look at Paris Hiltons goodies to.. honest..” and then before you know it, they are up to their acidic scummy tricks.

    So what has changed overall? well a list of people is now being populated with “those that have porn access vs those whom don’t”..

    “There are people who are going to make all sorts of statements about the impact on the [internet] speed,” he said.

    Um… i don’t think speeds going to be top of the agenda, i think the idea of vocal anger around stupid filters in place to prevent the sky from caving in when in fact the sky isn’t caving in is going to rise to the top of the agenda.. but thats just my initial knee jerk thinking ;)

    “The internet hasn’t ground to a halt in the UK, it hasn’t ground to a halt in Scandinavian countries and it’s not grinding the internet to a halt in Europe.”

    Correct but that’s pretty much because they figured out a way around it and most of the child pornography appparently comes from Europe anyway (Germany/Austria to be exact).. but hey.. if that floats his boat to get this stupid ruling passed, whom i to get in his way.. as after all.. its about protecting the kids right..

    I don’t question the intent, i am glad a politician is bold enough to want to put a stop to something that clearly is the lowest of low. Yet, I question the methods behind such notion, as it’s essentially trying to boil the ocean with a box of matches..

    Scott Out.
    (Source Links)
    http://russiatoday.ru/news/news/2530
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/31/2129471.htm?section=australia

  • Mark

    What happens if they block my site by mistake. Is then anyone responsible for my losses and has to compensate that. This could become expensive for the Goverment or ISPs.

  • Simon Russell

    People may be interested to read:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship

    Perhaps this article should be titled “Australia joins Britain, Denmark, Norway, Sweden and many other countries in blocking parts of the Internet”. Those countries have laws much more closely resembling Australia’s, and have porn-filtering solutions in place that seem to work adequately.

    I know I’ve posted several comments, but I should make it clear: I mainly have a problem with the tone of the article; I think more thought should be given to this sort of technological (partial) solution to a social problem — and I don’t support censorship on political or religious grounds. And I don’t think it should be under the control of the government.

    It should also probably be opt-out. (Or opt-in — I don’t care really — it would be a useful service for _some_ people.)

    Incidentally, the use of the term “clean feed” by the government, are they proposing the use of:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleanfeed_%28content_blocking_system%29

    Or is it a more generic use of the term?

    (I’m also trying to leave politics out of this discussion, something which the original TechCrunch post could possibly benefit from.)

  • Jan

    to Remy Wilders

    Actually… I still think this is some kind of joke.

    Nevertheless I wanna express my surprise… do you really believe that gothic sites can make anybody committ suicide? Apparently many people share this point of view. Don’t you think it’s crazy?

    I don’t think ANY site is able to make ANY damage to child who has self-confidence and who is growing in loving and supporting environment. And if there is a problem – don’t blame web sites – blame parrents and look for REAL cause of the problem.

    I understand… you are worried about your kids. Tell me… you never saw a porn when you were a kid? When I was a kid there was no internet so we had to find dirty magazines. Oh man, how exciting it was to see naked woman for the first time when I was 11. Every boy in my school saw it. Didn’t you, when you were about this age? Did it hurt you? It certainly did not hurt me – I live in beautiful relationship enjoing commitment and sex with loved woman – anything wrong with that?

    You are asking for solution. Censorship is no solution. Talk to your kids. Make them feel loved and valuable and they will not evet think about suicide despite any gothic site. Answer their questions about sex and care about them. Show them with your wife what partnership and love mean – and any porn site will not be able to hurt them.

    I am sorry about my english.

  • Jan

    Censorship just makes forbidden stuff even more interesting – and kids are smart. They will always find their way to find what they are looking for.

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    Hey this will be good… for porn distributors in Australia :p
    Censoring is never good, education is.

  • Simon Russell

    @ Jan
    (I have another comment awaiting moderation, it says a bit more)

    I agree with you, basically. But the porn magazines you looked at when you were a kid were regulated somewhat (depending on where you lived, I guess) — certainly in Australia they would have been. I _do_ (to disagree with you slightly) think that certain material really _can_ affect children negatively.

    But things are actually different — there is much more communication going on, stuff can be distributed and hidden more easily. And the stuff probably is potentially much stranger than what you looked at. (I’m talking about distribution between children here.)

    And I guess, ultimately, this sort of blocking can’t possibly stop that. So perhaps that’s why it shouldn’t be done. It can’t possibly stop everything bad — so perhaps it would give a false sense of security to the parents who are relying on it. There’s a bunch of stuff that I wouldn’t want my kids (who are theoretical at this point :) ) to see that isn’t illegal — I wouldn’t want the government to be involved in blocking legal (but questionable) stuff. (And I’m talking from a left-wing viewpoint here — I don’t care if my kids want to read balanced information about drugs or abortion; I’m mainly talking about violent imagery).

    Setting your kids up with a good sense of what’s right and what’s wrong is a good idea; it’s essential, for many reasons. But what about the other kids at their school?

    The internet does present some new problems (and new opportunities), we can’t just pretend they don’t exist, or that they’re just like the problems of the past.

  • http://www.spidaweb.com Scott Barnes

    Simon:

    It’s not about head in the sand syndrome. It’s more to do with the approach and given there is a lot of issues around simply blacklisting an IP/DOMAIN as being “bad”. As who decides what is bad, when do they do it and if they get it wrong whom compensates.

    I like my taxes low, and don’t feel like funding a class action against sheer stupidity based around the moral compass of someone whom is grandstanding over pornography…

    More thought is required to a complex issue and knee jerk law making is simply not appropriate.

    Scott Out.

  • Claus

    Fabian Schonholz wrote:

    > I would have expected better from Australia.

    This is not merely a national policy, but a worlwide trend.
    Here in Germany, where I live, from Janurary 1st, 2008 onwards, the data of all email traffic, Internet traffic, phone calls (merely the data, not the contents) will be stored nationwide (!) for six months, allegedly to prevent something (whatever this “something” may be), keep better track of “criminal activities”–we all know those arguments. And: From what I’ve read, this policy originates in the EU parliament.

    I find this very frightening, and I wonder where this will lead us in the long run. (Please, note, that Germany has close ties to China as well, and if one takes a closer look, there are attempts to whitewash the Chinsese image (exhibitions on how nice & friendly China actually is; the interesting culture, etc.).

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    This fucking cunt is going down (Rudd).

  • Simon Russell

    Well, I’m not quite sure that the approach is that well defined — and that’s the main problem with it. I’m always a bit wary of policy announcements that don’t have a firm definition of how they’ll be achieved. An IP/domain blacklist clearly would be a naive way to attempt it.

    I’d be interested to see this developed with one ISP, in a small trial. Anything more than that would be irresponsible use of money.

    As for funding class action suits — if there ever was one, there’d only be one. And if whoever was in charge of the blocklist made so stupid an error as to block a site that wasn’t illegal — well, then I’d want the associated court case and government embarrassment.

  • Jan

    to Simon Russell

    >>>But the porn magazines you looked at when you were a kid were regulated somewhat
    Yes, it was illegal to sell those to kids under 18. Obviously, this regulation did not work.

    >>>But what about the other kids at their school?

    >>>The internet does present some new problems (and new opportunities), we can’t just pretend they don’t exist, or that they’re just like the problems of the past.

    Yes, I agree, absolutely. I am not pretending I have solution. I am just saying – lets talk about real problems and real solutions. I think internet is just some kind of a mirror of our society. We say “when your face is hideous don’t blame the mirror”. Any ban is not going to make these problems disappear – there is no simple solution. And I am not even talking about the fact it’s technically impossible to ban anything on the internet – not without crippling it. Parents might not know how internet works but their 12-years-old kids have no problem with proxies and encrypted connections.

    BTW, there are things I wouldn’t want my kids to see. But on the other hand… when I was in the America I saw so many natural and beautiful things censored… what’s wrong with boobs? What’s wrong with talking about sex? What’s wrong about nakedness? I think this kind of censorship does not protect our children – it damages them. Having studied psychology a have seen so many people damaged by making taboos out of natural things – and these people have suffered a lot.

  • http://www.yairkorin.com Yako

    Who’s the third world now huh?

  • Simon Russell

    @Jan

    You are right that “moral” censorship in some places goes too far — which is why I think a government-sponsored project may be more useful; it’s more likely to reflect the dominant moral attitude. Australia isn’t the US; nor is it anywhere else — it would need a blocklist that reflects that.

    I would have a distinct problem with something that blocked _all_ nudity or something stupid like that. It’s all to do with context.

    Regarding the non-internet porn that was illegal to sell to people under 18 — at least it was harder to duplicate. And it at least met the standard of being saleable to people over 18 — not exactly a sign of it having terrific moral excellence, but at least a basic standard. I think it’s a “security through obscurity” type argument, but in the case of children, making stuff difficult does help (a little).

    Yes, kids are going to know about encryption and proxies and all sorts of things. At least it makes it slightly more difficult. And if it gives the impression of “forbidden-ness” to things that most of society thinks should be forbidden, then perhaps that’s a useful thing?

  • Bjoern Wilmsmann

    Obviously, surveillance and censorship is becoming more and more popular with political leaders all around the world.

    As mentioned by Claus, in Germany we’ll have a wonderful new law from the beginning of 2008 (or shall I say 1984…) that requires ISPs and other telecommunication carriers to store information about all connections between parties on their network and make that information available to the police for the alleged purpose of fighting terrorism in Germany (for those of you not so familiar with politics in Germany: The number of terrorist attacks over here in the last 30 years equals 0, so sure: Counterterrorism it is…).

    At the end of this year about 12.000 Germans already got a taste of what this will bring about in the future to come. They were suspected of being involved in child pornography only because they happened to have accessed some servers with legal pictures of naked women. Of course, most of them won’t be accused at all. However, being involved in legal proceedings as a suspect can in many cases be enough to ruin your career or relationship. So welcome to Brave New World, where everyone is a suspect!

    Democracy is pretty much worthless if you do not have the freedom to express yourself, to access the information you want to and to do so without the constant feeling that you’re under surveillance. I mean, what we sometimes mistakenly call democracy (remember Ancient Greece had democracy as well, but they also kept slaves, which by today’s understanding of democracy is not, well, quite democratic…) hasn’t been so tremendously successful during the last century, because we were allowed to choose which kind of party or politician is going to rule is in the next few years, but because we had freedom and essential civil liberties and because there were certain clearly defined limits to what the state (and by definition of a democracy the majority of the electorate) is allowed to do to you! Without these we actually could do without democracy right away!

    It is about time people all around the world claim back those liberties and their individual freedom. Although chances seem to be slim, I hope that Ron Paul makes it next year, since American politics does have a huge impact on politics in the rest world and an American president that upholds civil liberties instead of abolishing them would be a kick in the a** for all the neocons around the world.

    PS: If you happen to live in Australia, China, Germany or some other country that censors or monitors the Internet in some way or another, just do the following:
    1.) Get yourself a server with SSH access (the other specifications of the machine do not matter at all) in some mini-state that is known for not cooperating so well with your local government.
    2.) Connect to that machine with ‘ssh -D 9999 your.machine.some-domain’
    3.) Enter ‘localhost’ as address and ’9999′ as port in your browser’s SOCKS proxy settings.

    Et voilà: All the requests going in and out from your browser will now be routed through the remote machine, thereby circumventing both surveillance and censorship. The only way this could be prevented would be completely shutting down the Internet, since the port (9999 in the example above) can be varied freely.

  • http://blog.cdan.dk Carsten Dan

    Disclaimer: Haven’t read the law proposal.

    It seems to be overly broadly defined, so what is being targetted for censorship is not very specifically defined. Which opens it op for abuse.

    And when you first start something like censorship (for whatever good reason), it is far too easy to slip a little further. “If we censor this, why not also that”. Every argument is reasonable, but you’ll soon find yourself too far gone for comfort.

    Censorship is dangerous for a democracy, no matter the good intention.

  • http://technoq.blogspot.com ▐▐▐▐▐TechnoQ▐▐▐▐▐▐

    Just hope that it doesn’t happen in my country

    http://technoq.blogspot.com

  • Jacob

    When we have a clear definition of “inappropriate material”, we can be happy. If it remains open, then virtually anything the majority doesn’t agree with can be censored. I agree with 54: democracies do not censor.

    Although if someone were to try this in the U.S. I think the Freedom of Speech might shut it down pretty quickly. There is nothing the U.S. govt could legally block.

  • Mark

    @ 53 Bjoern

    The idea proposed in your PS is nice, but it would only work if the ISP you use to connect to the server in the “mini-state” does not block the IP address of the server. It seems plausible that an ISP could block any IP address they wanted to without having to specify a port number or range…

  • http://www.gunnarandreassen.com Gunnar Andreassen

    China I could understand but Australia? It doesent make any sense.

  • damon

    We (the US) do not allow gambling online, is that censorship?

  • Larry Larrikin

    I didn’t hear anyone raising a cry when Aborigines lost their right to view porn 6 months ago, so maybe we all deserve to lose our rights now. Anyhow, we’re not, just opt in!

  • lockie

    I live in austalia. I voted green, with preferences to rudd (we have compulsory voting here for those who don’t know). This is not an outrage post, but merely to note the lackof attention this has garnered. I myself, voted for a change, and it happened. This was the only “left” candidate available in the mainstream, and this is not score points. But merely to point out to Americans everywhere that so many Australians are sick of absorbing every ounce of left-over American culture; and not beat poets or amazingly new writers riding the avante guarde crest that you seem to create (and don’t stop!). While America does dominate this country (not exactly your choice, I know) I want you all to know that Australians actually do give a shit about all the political shit going on at the moment. I for one will be holding a party the second Bush gets out. Unfortunately for us, the global tide has swept centre-right, and Rudd seems to be the most “left-wing” candidate in ten years, seriously. It’s amazing the lack of concern showed by people that the government is censoring the internet…no care, at all. From the PROGRESSIVE CANDIDATE: well, slightly less convervative, bullshit. Well, I share your disdain, and it really just goes to show how politics, one way or another, will get what it wants. As a left-winger, you want unity? World-peace? How about if we form a world goverment, everyone will be united and any “enemy” will be dissolved. Btw, our government has never suffered a terrorist attack on home soil (in recent memory?), in Bali, yes, but the amount of times I’ve had to listen to the “threat from terrorists”. It is ridiculous. The latest propaganda to spew from the murky anus of the government, sickening and not surprising. We are awake.

  • ar-lock

    Censoring the internet? who asked for it? old conservatives?’
    who’s using it? young liberals!

  • http://blog.trungson.com/ Son Nguyen

    This is bad, it create yet another precedence by a developed country to go against the freedom they once fought for. Other countries can now use this as a lame/ignorant excuse to censor anything and everything. Censoring is a deep gray area and who has the power/control can silence the rest.

  • http://opponent.de/ Marco

    @29 SR

    The citizens of the country decide what’s illegal, via the government.

    That’s wrong. I have never voted and so never voted to restrict freedom.

    Even in Autralia a lot of people don’t votet for the Socialists to fight against freedom of speach in the internet.

    The truth is: “We” decide nothing. Even not our own life.

  • Ron

    Are they going to ban/censor the nude beaches too?

  • http://www.australianwomenonline.com Deborah Robinson

    You Americans and your conspiracy theories! Firstly, there is no conspiracy between Kevin Rudd and the Chinese to kill freedom of speech in Australia. As Stephen Conroy said in his announcement, you cannot compare blocking x-rated porn and violence on ISP’s in Australia to what they are doing in China.

    Internet users in Australia will still be able to view porn and violence if they want to, but our kids will be protected. Maybe other countries in the world are happy to have their kids exposed to sex and violence on the internet, but we are not. As an Australian, I am appalled at the way this issue has been reported in the media and exaggerated by blogs like yours.

  • Captain Awesome

    “but our kids will be protected.”

    You guys are as full of shit as the politicians trying to pass these ridiculous bills in the first place. You actually believe the government is going to protect your child from any so-called harmful material from the internet? What have parents been doing this whole time?

    Parenting needs to stop taking a backseat to this political nanny mentality. And should be adult enough in raising your own kids. Keep burying your heads in the sand like this and the government will continually lead you by the hand with everything else.

  • Jordan

    Hi this is F***ed
    someone better create an easy to use hack to get past this fast, i remember this kid in queensland aus hacked the governments last censorship filter in like 1.5 hours or something crazy like that….so there is still hope….

  • Craig

    Among many loads of utter crap on this thread and out of Duncan’s mouth is this commonly cited statement, “when you start censoring stuff it never stops”. Oooh, scary. Prove it. That statement is straight up scare tactic and absolute rubbish.

    And I’m not talking about places like China where there is zero respect for human rights (in the government). I mean, in basically civilized countries, show me where well-meaning provisions such as these have led to absolute censorship (in other words, where every single thing is moderated). You say it “never stops”. Do you even know what the word never means? Do you even know what the word censorship means?

  • Simon Russell

    (after this I’ll be leaving, I promise, I never usually get caught up in these debates)

    I think everyone needs to keep having a calm, rational discussion of what this policy actually intends to be. It’s certainly far from being legislation (I hope, it’s certainly lacking details.)

    If it’s aimed at providing a useful service from a reasonably open point of view (i.e. not censoring all nudity, or all discussion of drugs or something like that) then it’s worth discussing. If not, fight against it. Or fight against it totally, if you like. Australia is a free country.

    @Marco

    If you’ve never voted (and I’m assuming you’ve had the opportunity; if not, then I hope you do at some point), then you can hardly complain when the government fails to represent your views properly (although they might actually try harder than you realise). Even if you have voted, so have a bunch of other people; democratic government is a series of compromises.

    Also, the Labor government is far from socialist these days; all the major parties in Australia are essentially socially conservative economic rationalists to varying degrees — the Labor party is just slightly further left. There’s very little difference between them — except perhaps where they approach the centre from.

    As for civil liberties, the previous government did their fair share of reducing freedoms, surely moving slightly left on the political spectrum should improve the situation. (Who knows what this government will do, they’re only a couple of months old.)

  • ted

    Y’know. China is getting stronger everyday (proof: economy). Soon USA will look like crap (it looks like crap already anyway).

    There are good effects on blocking blogger.com I supposed. At least your generations won’t be as dumb as USA by believing amateur journalists writing amateur contents.

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  • http://www.merchanttalk.com/ Merchant Talk

    Will never work, people will always find a way around it.

  • Mr. Recycle

    There is a TON of pornographic content on Facebook; will Austrailia be blocking them soon?

  • http://seoroi.com/ SEO ROI

    They’re restricting access to porn. Big deal. So does every other country that requires you to click a form acknowledging that you’re entering an adult site, or requires ID to get into a strip club or buy a smut magazine/dvd.

    Yeah, your innuendo about questions being asked as to why you want to opt-out is really worrisome. As if nobody knows what people want to watch porn for?

    This is such a non-story it’s laughable.

  • http://www.meetingflex.com/SearchVideo.aspx http://www.meetingflex.com/SearchVideo.aspx

    Nobody would have though this would happen to the internet.

    Video Search
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  • Mike

    Rupert is not gonna like this. And that’s all the matters in Australia.

  • Chris

    RUDD IS GOOD ENOUGH!!

    This stupid video is made by his adverse clan. Then techcrunch become a foolish tool of politics.

  • http://ifdebug.com Al

    Censorship of our Australian internet access is nothing new here.

    Every time it has come up in the past and it has gone into general discussion the same things keep happening:

    * cost of implementing such a service is massive
    * cost to the consumer is going to be effected & as pointed out earlier, Australia already has some of the highest broadband fees in the world. Naturally, the ISP’s are seriously concerned it’ll have a negative impact on their subscriber base.
    * ISP’s don’t have the infrastructure to deal with that sort of a requirement
    * the government is over-stepping its rights, and stepping into parental duties
    * …

    While it is nice that they talk about it and I think censorship like that is crazy, I’ll believe something is happening when I actually need to opt-out of the censorship circle.

    Al.

  • http://www.bookbook.com.au/wordpress Charlie

    Not such a big deal really

  • Cam

    I love this quote (http://tinyurl.com/33gfj5):

    “Labor makes no apologies to those who argue that any regulation of the internet is like going down the Chinese road,” Mr Conroy said yesterday. “If people equate freedom of speech with watching child pornography, then the Rudd Labor Government is going to disagree.”

    Right. So now I’m a kiddy fiddler if I wish to move around the interwebs unimpeded. Brilliant.

    As for that Bobby Johnson twit at the Guardian (http://tinyurl.com/2l97ly), I seriously have to wonder if he (or a relative) might not be on the ministerial payroll. This is a pure command and control play.

  • DWM

    @23 “Sorry, when you start censoring stuff it never stops”

    Examples, please. From free republic and democratic nations. Otherwise all this statement does is show your ignorance and paranoia. I suggest taking off the tin foil hat and stop looking for black helicopters. It might clear your mind. Until you can provide specific examples, you comments and opinions are worthless

  • NotSure

    What are the free trade implications of this? Australia has not played fair in bi lateral trade agreements before, and has eventually been brought to task on their anticompetitive behaviors through the courts.

    USA and Australia have a free trade agreement that is still fairly new. Would American pornography websites have a case to take against the Australian government if their otherwise legal content was banned by the Australian Government? How about companies like Net Nanny? How does the average shareholder in Net Nanny shares feel when Australia declares that it will singlehandedly destroy any and all need for the Net Nanny product/service?

    The American legal system may be Australia’s best hope to avert moral censorship, and the further castration of parents rights and responsibilities. Who do we get to sue in Australia, when the overprotective parents push the Australian Government into protecting our children into psychiatric patients with anxiety disorders? Let overprotective parents do it to their own children, but do not let them do it to our children as well!

  • Keeping Watch

    I’m sure this will be very hard to implement anyway, but there I find it hard to belive that the Government would use this as an excuse to ban any negative discussion of policies etc. While I agree that child porn and other related content needs control – this argument always comes back to the parents. Like TV and other media, it is ultimately the role of the caregiver to ensure they have control over what their children view and/or become involved in/within.

  • http://www.webjogging.blogspot.com Remy Wilders

    @ Jan

    In fact I agree with your reply to my post (way way up). Gothic sites alone cannot bring someone to commit suicide and obviously education is the best way to protect your kids… and yes I have been 11 and yes it was good fun trying to get to all the forbidden stuff.

    In many countries erotic films cannot be programmed before 10 pm and X rated films need to wait till midnight. That won’t prevent kids from sneeking up in the middle of the night and taking a peep at the film. The whole thing is that it isn’t the norm. If each time they have an urge (…) they simply needed to turn on the TV and select any type of porn they fancied, I have the feeling that the child’s understanding of sex and respect/understanding of the opposite sex may be altered.

    Too much control has never been a good idea (on the contrary) but ignoring risks because we do not feel directly concerned would not be responsible.

    Maybe time based filters could be a good idea after all… Open access to all content after 10 pm for example. That way there will be no censorship as such. I work with a large company which blocks access to videos (for bandwidth reasons) between 9 am and 6 pm. It is sometimes frustrating but all in all it works well.

  • Blairman

    Ok, this might be humorous but bear with me if you want to know how we can fight this and keep our internet free like today. I heard ages ago that Internet porn providers give money to the Republicans in America so the christian fundo’s don’t get their way with censoring internet porn over there. How ironic would it be if internet porn actually saved our internet freedom? If you want to fight this, email American internet porn providers and associations and ask them to lobby this censorship policy. Hopefully they will get on board when they see they are going to lose money. Who knows? Maybe a few new undisclosed donations to the ALP will see this policy shelved and not enacted. I already emailed Naughty America.

  • http://ramblings.ajaxed.net AJ

    some of the highest internet access costs in the Western world for on average slow services

    Australia? Western world? Since when?

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  • http://web.techontour.com/general/what-countries-censor-the-internet/ Bill

    I guess it really shouldn’t be all that surprising considering that we voted in a socialist political party.

  • James

    DWM:
    “Examples, please. From free republic and democratic nations. Otherwise all this statement does is show your ignorance and paranoia. I suggest taking off the tin foil hat and stop looking for black helicopters. It might clear your mind. Until you can provide specific examples, you comments and opinions are worthless”

    There are many examples of censorship gone too far in Western democracies. The major Belgian political party, Vlaams Blok, was BANNED after it published material likely to incite ‘hatred’. The material, by the way, was factual and came from the government’s own statistics. In Britain, you can be prosecuted for reciting facts if the facts are judged to incite ‘hatred’. British schools, libraries and public buildings routinely blocked internet access to politically incorrect websites that have nothing to do with pornography. Universities have a “no platform policy” in which a minority of leftists decide what viewpoints students have access to.

    The ‘child porn’ argument is being used to wedge open the way for much more subjective material. “Hate speech” will be next and will be used to stop attacks on religion, multiculturalism or even immigration. ‘Hate’ of course is completely subjective and is not illegal, but soon enough incitement of it will be. It’s unlikely there will be many thought crime prosecutions – the idea is to make the rules as ambiguous as possible to generate a sense of intimidation and stifle debate.

    The Rudd government is an embryonic Blair government. Give it a few more years and watch your freedoms p*ss down the drain.

  • http://english.catchen.biz Cat Chen

    Anyone who understands Mandarin knows how stupid this video is. The audio talks about the war between China and Vietnam. I guess it’s from a documentary movie.

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  • DWM

    @90. Hey. I guess the Aussies thought getting rid of a Bush ally would rid them of all their ills. So much for that theory. Maybe it was his strip-clubbing in Manhattan , and his penchant for eating his own earwax that were the deciding factors.

  • http://www.techtalkblog.net/2008/01/02/australian-government-equates-freedom-of-speech-to-liking-kiddie-porn/ Australian Government Equates Freedom Of Speech To Liking Kiddie Porn teasered @ TechTalkBlog

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  • Lamont Cranston

    They’re using an Australia Institute ‘discussion paper’ as the basis for this, included in the list of “inappropriate material” that should be blocked was… transsexuality
    :S
    http://www.tai.org.au/documents/dp_fulltext/DP53.pdf

  • http://www.specht.com.au/michael/2008/01/02/mandatory-censorship-of-the-internet/ Mandatory censorship of the internet at Michael Specht – discussions on HR and technology

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  • wg

    It was made clear that this was their policy before the election but people still voted for them.

    Makes you wonder who is more retarded, the Labor party, or blind Labor voters?

  • Jerabek

    I live in Australia, just for you folks in the free (or not so free) world.
    First my wife and I could leave Australia if we would, here are some FACTS..
    Its going to cost > au $ 49,000,000 just to setup, then aus$ 34,000,000 per year thats au$ 83,000,000 for just the 1st yr PLUS all the FREE laptop computers Rudd is giving for are Kid to help ” educate them !
    Are hospitals are in crisis, are schools are so bad the Kids are leaving not able to read and write, Psych patients are suffering because of ” Lack of funding”
    We have massive child homelessness …tens of thousands of people with bad teeth (some resorting to pulling there own teeth out) because of “Lacke of Money”…….and yet Rudd is going to spend au$148,000.000 in his 1st 3 yrs plus other large admin costs….its in the news that his Labor Gov is having to do large cutbacks to stop us going into recession….YOU WORK IT OUT if there are other agendas !! HAPPY NEW YEAR !

  • Mark

    Censorship never works & the very people they target such as pedophiles will carry on happily doing their stuff. Children will continue to access stuff & status quo will be maintained. If they announced they were going to spend all these millions on specific targeting of pedophiles I don’t think there would be too many objections. The Australian government have always had their own best interests at heart. there were comments about on-line gambling being illegal. Ha Ha!! Only because they cannot make their cut. Australia has the worst record in the world of addicted gamblers but the government makes a fortune. try a search on the internet to find this out unless it is already censored of course. They say porn sites are illegal but brothels abound throughout Australia controlled so the government can get a cut. Rudd, Howard, what’s the difference?

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  • http://www.fireblades.org CBR

    The fact is this, it should be 100% up to the partents to take control of what their kids are watching on TV and surfing on the net. Rudd is a bloody joke and this just proves what a giant fool of a man he is. The system should be opt in only. What else is Mr Rudd going to censor?????? The net should be left alone, its freedom and if you don’t like it then don’t swith on your PC and connect. Another stupid law is exactly what we don’t need. A government has no place in the home, lazy arsed parents need to take an interest in what their kids are doing. Rudd, I hope you read this, you’ve just confirmed to the world your an idiot. Leave Australia alone.

  • Randy

    If the problem is one of children accessing porn on the internet, why not just ban minors under the age of 21 from the internet and let the rest of us (i.e. adults; i.e., the majority) surf in peace?

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  • http://www.4chan.org Matt Flannery

    Shut the fuck up Randy you retard.

  • rofles

    if you dont want children seeing bad things on the internet

    dont let them use the internet :|

    SIMPLE AS THAT.

    as for the x-rated stuff … thats just retarded…. its not illegal – you can goto a sex shop and buy a latex mask and dvds of that kinda weird shit….

    as for violence n shit. you think ted bundy was influenced by the internet?

    australia = fail

    maybe i should move out.

  • Saw-this-coming

    I’ll be marching in the streets if this indeed goes ahead. I won’t stand by idly while this con-artist robs our country of our dignity and freedom.

    Congrats to everyone who voted Rudd in last year. You traded a jerk for a Communist jerk. Well done. If this is the last chance I have to post my free and unrestricted opinion on the internet, let it be this: ‘I think Rudd is an idiot’.

  • http://www.google.com rud is dumb

    Q F T .

    If you dont want children seeing bad things on the internet

    dont let them use the internet :|

    SIMPLE AS THAT.

    as for the x-rated stuff … thats just retarded…. its not illegal – you can goto a sex shop and buy a latex mask and dvds of that kinda weird shit….

    as for violence n shit. you think ted bundy was influenced by the internet?

    australia = fail

    maybe i should move out.
    ============================================================
    we are all ready behind in the world an we gonna be another 25 years behind, we better not pay for this cencer shit oops i said shit they might cencer my post

  • Australia is starting to look like Oceania (from 1984)

    Hooray for Australia embracing primitive totalitarianism. What’s next, criticizing the government via the Internet becomes a capital crime?

  • http://www.google.com rud is dumb

    go to bed 103

    your cencered

  • http://www.google.com rud is dumb

    if they want to opt out set up an isp company that has this. so if families want a filer they can choose this isp company that has this stupid filters.

    lol you have these people who made the last filter that was worth $84.8 mill an it took an australian 16 kid to bypass the filter in 30 min so then they spent another mill an took this 16 year old kid another 10 min ontop of the 30 min to bypass it again

    stop wasting money an put it to good use leave the internet alone .

  • LOL @ RUDDY

    Lol rud is dumb they might cencor your post for making too many good points :S

  • Is the net not slow and expensive enough here?

    All this will do is drive up the price of the internet further and make the affordable plans even slower. Making the children you want to protect the most ignorant and backward citizens of the world.

    This sucks. It will never work, its a pointless exercise. People will still be able to get what they want, whether it be porn, violence or illegal downloads of movies or games. The only thing it will accomplish is to drive up the price of decent internet connections.

  • Someone who likes their porno…

    I’d like to tell you all that a simple proxy would bypass this, but I’m afraid if they’re going to do this, it will be done at one of the major data centers. For example, Telstra own the main hubs that leave Australia, which are located in Syd. Any money, they’ll upload this “new software to stop pronz0r” onto there. Proxy or no proxy, it will see what’s coming into Australia, and stop it right there…

    Only way I could see this working…. Encrypted data?

  • RF

    I always hate it when the admittance mimics “we can’t stop the source, so we’ll stop you instead”.

    I feel for my friends Down Under : ( Looks like your nude beaches are next.

  • forney

    Well since you have permitted yourselves to be disarmed, there is little for you to do but sit back (or should one say bend over) and wait for the next orders from your nanny state masters.

  • Bob Jones

    Surely this can’t be right under the commonwealth? Do we need to kick you out with Zimbabwe?

  • http://www.google.com rud is dumb

    your all cencored

  • http://www.google.com KevinRudd

    :)

  • Nick

    Thanks to all you fools who voted for “new leadership” without actually thinking or looking at what that meant.

  • Will

    @ Simon Russell

    Telling people to calm down is the exactly what the government want to do.
    Australians are apathetic in nature as it is, telling people to calm down and have a wait and see attitude never works.

    Governments do what they want when they want ( see road changes in sydney, epping rd from 3 lanes to 1 lane to funnel traffic into lane cove tunnel as good recent example ).

    When do YOU say enough is enough, my geuss is when its too late.

    On another note, here is the persons email address who is implementing this change

    senator.conroy@aph.gov.au

    Please state your thoughts to him DIRECTLY. Perhaps if he gets enough emails he may second think this insane law.

  • http://www.timchristie.com Tim

    It will never happen unless George W says so.

    Oz has such a pansy arsed government that they cant make real solutions to growing problems so they go for the fastest bandaid fix they can find.

    This will cause so many more problems than it solves and will make us look like a communist country trying to control citizens to the rest of the world. Say good bye to any kind of tourism in the future.

  • DarrelBT

    Didn’t all the ISP companies in Australia said NO to this because it’s too expensive to pull off? (ie. Unfeasible)

  • http://cryptogon.com/?p=1861 cryptogon.com » Archives » Australia Joins China in Censoring the Internet

    [...] Via: Tech Crunch: [...]

  • Ryan

    I wonder if the content available at certain New York strip club would be considered inappropriate. I too voted for Labour based on other policies including the improvement of internet services. The problem with democracy as it exists here is that we don’t get to chose people who share our views and ideals we have to vote for one of a select few people. I do not want this system introduced and I’m sure that a lot of people share my views but what can we do now, wait another four years and vote for a different government? What if they don’t care about the environment? Protest maybe? Im only 23 but I can’t recall any protest I’ve seen in Australia having any impact on government decisions.

    People watch porn, not everyone, maybe not even most but A LOT of people do, and these aren’t ‘weirdos’ they are normal people like you me and probably even Kevin Rudd. Interest in sex and even looking at porn is normal and people prefer to do it in the privacy of their own homes without someone or something watching. So now what? they opt-out of filtering and opt-in to the scrutiny of the government or some other special interest group – ‘they don’t want filtering they must be child pornographers get em!’ The internet provides a means to access explicit content yes, and there’s a lot, why? Because people want to look and it should be their choice without scrutiny or vindication!

    As for the child protection angle, yes of course we should protect children but if they are actively trying to access the content they will find a way, and so will the paedophiles. That of course brings up the technical issues but I am not well enough informed to go into them, the only thing I can put forward is that there are how many millions of sites with inappropriate material, a quick wikipedia search shows a total of 15 members of the Office Of Film and Literature Classification. I wonder how many of these people and those that will join are interested in ensuring that our liberties are protected my guess is none but I am sure there will be some family first supporters in there and your telling me that my taxes will be paying these people and to look at porn all day no less and to think Kevin had to pay to see a strip show.

  • ILL PEOPLE

    seems like the SUN is burning Aussies a little bit too much so they get ILL BRAINS alltogether – unbelievable!!!

  • wayne d

    indeed snake press the button , this is indeed messed up

  • Wolfie Rankin

    Firstly it won’t work anyway.

    Secondly, concerning porn, most of it is fairly normal sex…
    it’s only western kids who get *squicked out* by otherwise “normal behaviour”. Kids in grass huts in native places see sex and don’t “get scars” from seeing it… but our culture fills kids heads with such fear of sex, homosexual and heretosexual, that when they do see it, they flip out.

    We see guns on telly all the time, but one erect penis, even though most of us have one growing off of us, or “own one” via marriage… can’t be shown of TV, “because it’s rude”.

    What if noses were “rude” for Gods sake?

    No Scooby Doo sniffing out crime, Nobody would dare sneeze, and we’d all be getting around with little “nose bras”.

    Our culture is up the creek, it’s stupid.

    Wolfie!

  • http://www.mizeryhill.com mztry Moody

    how unenlightned our pollies are…just because some cant be bothered monitering their kidz on the net the rest of us must suffer too…i, for one do not agree with the Govt, censoring what we ADULTS can access…where does it stop and what are the qualifications of the people doing the censoring?

  • Ryu Darragh

    It’s impossible to “censor” the net in any manner or shape or form.

    For one thing, people who wish to share information, be it videos, pics, music or other, will simply switch to darknets which are encrypted.

    Services, like Napster, were shut down because they used centralized servers. Services like BitTorrent are being harrassed becuase of the traffic patterns to file name repositories (the packets are not encrypted). Darknets are serverless P2P networks that are encrypted.

    So, unless they start monitoring *all* packets to determine which are encrypted (there are quadrillions of them every day), they have no way of censoring the internet.

    Only obvious solution would be to blacklist and block all packets from certain parts of the world. Like the US, or EU or China, etc, ad nauseum.

    Kind of makes the internet useless if all you can access is your local library.

  • Ryu Darragh

    Almost forgot to add, we could always go back to dialup BBSes like the bad old pre-internet days :P

  • Joe

    The internet should be turned off. There is pornography on it and it teached how to make liquor and bombs. Only terrorists and athiest/satanists need this materil.

  • Wolfie Rankin

    Canberra should also be switched off, that’s where all the porn is.

    Wolfie!

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    Show Me Your Desktop, Duncan Riley…

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  • http://www.covenanteyes.com/blog/2008/03/20/free-speech-and-pornography-censorship/ Breaking Free » Blog Archive » Free Speech and Pornography Censorship

    [...] the Australian government is currently discovering, there are many difficulties in deciding how to censor the Internet in an effective way.  Internet [...]

  • http://www.techtvupdate.com/2008/03/31/january-2-2008/ January 2, 2008 | TechTV Update

    [...] national porn filtering policy that people can opt out of. TechCrunch thinks this puts the country on a par with China as far as censorship goes. Others worry about Internet speeds slowing, and access to health [...]

  • http://www.mathewpacker.com/?p=37 Mathew Packer » Blog Archive » Big Brother Down Under?

    [...] have their own say on the subject here, and you can read the Labor’s Plan for Cyber-Safety by downloading their pdf [...]

  • NotTelling

    I am a hacker and a criminal and I think its great all this government intervention into public information. It puts people’s private information all in the one place where I can get at it better. It’s protected by the government, which means it’s not protected well. I can get at others bank information and all their personal information; this means I can steal identities. Its great keep up the good work.

  • http://www.2jk.org/praxis/?p=1550 יהונתן קלינגר | אוסטרליה כבר כאן? ‏ :: Intellect or Insanity‏

    [...] את המודל שלהם. כעקרון, המודל האוסטרלי היה של Opt-In אבל הוחלף למודל של Opt-Out, כלומר מי שלא רוצה צנזורה חייבת להודיע (ולשאת בעקרונות [...]

  • http://elvery.net/drzax/2008/10/16/internet-censorship-it-is-a-big-deal/ Internet Censorship: It is a big deal! at sw’as

    [...] TechCrunch – Australia Joins China In Censoring The Internet [...]

  • Ironic

    This seems a bit too close for comfort to the world as described by Geroge Orwell in 1984. This abuse by our government should not be tolerated.

  • http://www.cherry-atrium.com/dr-o/wordpress/?p=54 Da Matz » Blog Archive » Mobility!

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    Pollock. New Jersey: Princeton University Press, 2006. pp 6.

  • Abbadon

    Oh god please don’t tell me China is actually taking over the world… I did enjoy the novel 1984, that does not mean I want it to be a reality…
    I’m sure there are alot of internet users who enjoy the freedom it provides. If we send letters in mass, they will realize al the votes they will lose.
    No porn? GTFO…
    They have already lost my vote I will never vote Labour again…

  • Vee

    Oh really? Gee it’s not like the government would lie to us about things to influence our votes. Not like say, promising a newer better internet infrastructure then turning around and giving us the finger in the form of a federal opt in net-nanny, THEN telling us at the last minute that it’s OPT OUT only, THEN telling us that we can’t opt out at all.

    Also, our system for censoring TV and games works well? That’s a laugh! GTA3 San Andreas, they changed ONE camera angle to let it through. Fallout 3, they changed the names of the drugs depicted to fictional ones. That’s it. And the only reason they had to do that is because there’s no R+ rating for games. We can have R+ movies, but not R+ games. What a waste of everyone’s time! We can adult, I’ll choose what I view and do not view thankyou very much, not you, not the government, not anyone else but me.

  • Vee

    Yes, because the general public always seeks to defend minority groups.

  • http://www.youtube.com Google Admin

    China government do good work to clean internet ,so you can never look to pornography on internet in China. it not easy for me when be addicted to pornography never can stop with looking. If you have sickly desire Govermant most protect you to unhealthy sex pleasure. It better forban you for internet stop women make video cruel movie of a mistress girls dress in laxe and bloody games in BDSM. Women do evil things all aboute stupid desire of men!

  • Zara

    Ugh.
    So what happened to our rights? Isn’t that an invasion of our privacy?
    It’s a FREE COUNTRY isn’t it?! Don’t we have FREEDOM OF SPEECH?!

    This is just wayyy too far. Sure, I understand the fact that they may want to track down internet predators & etc, but must we really block things like blog comments and stuff?

    This is complete BS

  • cOnc3a1ed

    what the ??? i thought one of the promises the rudd government made was that they would make our internet faster… now they are slowing it down? that jus doesnt make sense..the government has some serious mental issues..

  • http://charlyleetham.com/can-australia-really-censor-the-internet Can Australia Really Censor The Internet | Charly Leetham

    [...] Duncan Riley has written on Tech Crunch- Australia Joins China In Censoring The Internet [...]

  • Jesus

    “To be censored by the Australian Government is “pornography and inappropriate material.” X rated pornography is illegal online in Australia,”

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

  • Concerned

    FFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

  • Sanity

    Proxies, VPNs and SSL – there are just so many technologies that can work around this type of content filtering. The list is endless of proxy providers, blocking them will mean potentially blocking a new proxy every day. In the end, the kiddy fiddlers will just use other technologies like encryption, pushing there presence underground and making it harder for authorities to detect there activities. It seems reasonable that if any children are accessing illegal content on the internet, that this is the parents responsibility to limit or supervise access to the Internet; Pull the cable out, make them play outside. In the end it provides no foreseeable benefit whatsoever. It really annoys me, as a voter and a tax payer, that this is what my money is being spent on. I’ll be voting for those opposing this vexatious legislation for the future.

  • http://www.icmpecho.com/2008/10/28/australia-vs-the-internet/ ICMPECHO · Australia VS. The Internet

    [...] those that doesn’t know this already, Australia is one of the countries that are actively filtering and censoring the internet. They are doing this to “protect” their citizens from the big bad wolves that reside in [...]

  • LAwrence

    OMG communisum at its best
    i hate you kevin rudd why do you have to do this i need my websites unblocked. Its human rights to have access to what i want. We have a freedom of speech in our Constitution so if i want freedom of speech on a porn site are you going to block it and remove my constitutional rights.
    just do not censor the internet i don’t want to vpn into my families networks in Italy and use there computer as a proxy, you can pay for there internet bill.

  • PlayItOnYouriPod

    you all better make the most of the internet now while you still can use it

    and also i think that this wont stop with the internet, soon he will be a dictator just like chinas prime minister

    the end is near for freedom of thought and speech
    fight back now while you still have a chance to walk the streets without curfews and dictators laws

    anyone up for an assassination attempt for your countrys sake?
    the same could be done to that prick michael atkinson too

    this is what it will be like 5 years from now…”HEIL RUDD!”
    if you can get the police and army on our side then we will have a chance to stop the evil before it imprisons us in our homes

  • chrys

    @ Simon: how naive are you ?

  • Kim

    Naw fuckkkk that. Net porn ftw.

  • http://securabit.com/2008/10/30/securabit-episode-13-b00-happy-ha110w33n/ Securabit Episode 13 B00 (Happy Ha110w33n) | SecuraBit
  • http://davidgillespie.wordpress.com/2008/10/31/a-open-letter-to-stephen-conroy/ A open letter to Stephen Conroy « Creative Is Not A Department

    [...] Australia Joins China In Censoring The Internet [...]

  • http://walkndude.wordpress.com/2008/10/31/you-are-not-on-the-real-internet-you-are-on-a-controlled-network-by-peer1com-and-googlecom-a-failed-psyops-experiment-very-very-little-of-what-you-believe-or- you are not on the real internet. you are on a controlled network ‘by peer1.com and google.com’. A failed PSYOPS experiment. very, VERY, little of what you believe or know, is real folks. « PlanetNetopia.com Freedom!

    [...] Source: techcrunch.com [...]

  • Aussie

    This government is just a disgrace. Before elections they promised to improve our Internnet infrustructure. After the elections they started thinking about putting the I-net speed down and, moreover, wnat to decide what I have to read and watch. You lost my vote guys, next elections will show we will filer you.

  • http://losefail.org/blog/?p=125 I thought you were cool, Australia. | losefail.org

    [...] news came that they would censor the internet for “illegal material” in an opt-in (or opt-out, they haven’t seemed too sure) a [...]

  • http://xxultimate-sinxx.co.cc xXUlTiMaTe-SiNXx

    This is bad news for hackers black hat and grey hat alike, but also for your every day user, i think ruddy can go f**k a goat. even if your not doing anything wrong if you ask to be uncensored you will be watched by police because they will think its suspicious, this is a total invasion of privacy and a jailer of freedom (i bet you they will block this page now) I for one will fight this with every last breath i have!

  • http://www.tyssendesign.com.au/news/save-the-net-in-australia/ Save the Net in Australia — Tyssen Design

    [...] they can get to see the ad). If you share my concern (and that of many others commenting on various articles) over the government’s plans, hopefully you’ll get [...]

  • http://omegagoodwin.com/?p=113 Omega’s stuff » Blog Archive » 300 million iPhone applications downloaded

    [...] wonder how Kevin Rudd’s Chinese-style internet filtering will handle the overarching power of Apple and their army of Mac [...]

  • http://www.myspace.com/crueltyandthebeast Taylah

    Well i think this is taking freedom of speech away from australians.
    Taking away peoples right to say what they want will just make more people fustrated and angry and i know myself i will just look to bigger things to express myself.
    Honestly this will just make it all the more fun for teenagers to infiltrait the internet to find loop holes.

  • http://www.myspace.com/novacanie1991 Amanda

    Welcome Australia. Please swipe your finger and hand over your freedom.

    We are all being censored? There’s is no way they will get everyone. Computer hackers and smart teenagers that know the net better than any do will simply slip through the cracks.

    Plus, what is this crap about blocking people for expressing their views on the government? Sorry Kevo, don’t rememeber you saying “Australian’s are free to speak their mind.. until you say something myself and my government don’t like.” What kinda of place would we turn into? Ten years from now when saying something “bad” about your leader or the government can get you shot down during dinner? Will it stop then. Or shall we continue on this path to being just like the middle east?

    At least John Howard wanted to be a yank, not a domo middle eastern prick. Censore this Kevo, but you won’t stop me spaking my mind.

    I feel like Tacos :p

  • http://WebLoggers.org/legal-issues-disputes/1107-opression-blogs-china-germany.html#post6102 Opression For Blogs In China, Germany – WebLoggers WebLogging Forum

    [...] they will be joining China as one of the few countries globally that broadly censor the internet. Australia Joins China In Censoring The Internet Americans can be sure that certain catch phrases are being scrutinized too on the Net.. if you’re [...]

  • http://tamasong.net Seo

    How about this after 1 year?

  • http://netzpolitik.org/2009/internetzensur-noch-in-dieser-legislaturperiode/ Internetzensur “noch in dieser Legislaturperiode” : netzpolitik.org

    [...] Webseiten mit Majestätsbeleidigung stark vertreten. In Australien sollen auch Online Casinos gefiltert werden. Auch die deutsche Ministerin kennt diesen Kritikpunkt am Errichten von [...]

  • http://www.PaulsTravelPictures.com Paul

    I really hope this filter doesn’t get put in place. I’ll be visiting your beautiful country next year for 6 months.

    I don’t want the internet to be so slow because of the filter that I can’t communicate with my web servers and family/friends back in the USA.

  • Myles

    This has to be the stupidest policy by the ALP. There is no reason to filter the internet. It should be left to the rightful guardians or parents to mediate children’s usage of the internet.
    God are we going to head down China’s path .This scheme will ultimately take away our rights for freedom of speech on the internet. Are they going to block content that is politically sensitive??? It seems Australia is left to swallow this crap about protecting children, while revoking our rights to freedom of speech. A bold unethical move by the ALP.

  • http://INFOWARS.COM Adam

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    SAVE THE INTERNET
    Please, just STFU, John! Typical ignorant Aussie rantings that have put us in this precarious position. Have you ever actually made an ‘informed’ comment in your life ? Don’t answer that, because it’s obvious.
    How weak you sound,..’ the pollies aren’t bad’ (sic), ….it’s all an innocent mistake…..blah, blah…
    Search ‘internet 2′, then search ‘Fabian society’+'labor party’.
    You look like that nutcase ABC RADIO PRESENTER, which explains your subversive comments. Go jump.
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  • http://WWW.INFOWARS.COM Adam

    BEST INTERPRETATION ON THIS PAGE, SO DAMN TRUE !

  • http://WWW.INFOWARS.COM Adam

    Hey Remy, do u let your kids drink booze and drive cars? Well don’t let ‘em on the internet either. Problem solved.
    Little shits should be outside playing anyway.

  • http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/battlefield-bad-company-2/397130-woah-woah-step-back-they-using-same-servers-bad-company-2-a.html#post6970681 Woah, WOAH, Step back. They are using the SAME servers for Bad Company 2? – Electronic Arts UK Community

    [...] internet, of course if the torrent arent inside censur now. Rofl yeah bro have you seen this ? Australia Joins China In Censoring The Internet I assume you already know because you said censoring torrent websites but yeah.. I’ve noticed [...]

  • http://adistantsoil.com/2009/03/20/felony-copyright-violation/ A Distant Soil by Colleen Doran » Archive » Felony Copyright Violation

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  • http://censoringed.wordpress.com/2009/03/29/what-exactly-does-censoring-the-internet-mean/ What exactly does censoring the internet mean? « Censoring Ed.

    [...] it a step further. Countries such as Australia, China, and Israel all have national censorship on the internet. The government is literally controlling what its [...]

  • http://www.blawyer.org/2009/04/05/cholotube/ Cholotube

    [...] Como antecedente de este anuncio en el año 2006 , el Partido Laborista australiano propuso implantar un filtro antiporno. De acuerdo con la medida, los ISPs australianos tendrían la obligación de filtrar todos los sitios web pornográficos (ars technica: Australian Labor Party proposes nationwide porn filter). Esta propuesta era similar al mecanismo utilizado en el Reino Unido por British Telecom a través del sistema Cleanfeed, aunque este último sólo bloquea el acceso a contenidos manifiestamente ilícitos como la pornografía infantil. Ya el gobierno australiano se había adelantado facilitando a todos los ciudadanos que lo solicitaran copias gratuitas de NetNanny -un filtro parental-. Una vez que los laboristas ganaron las elecciones siguieron insistiendo con la medida (TechCrunch: Australia Joins China In Censoring The Internet). [...]

  • http://www.mathewpacker.com/big-brother-down-under/ Big Brother Down Under? | Mathew Packer

    [...] have their own say on the subject here, and you can read the Labor’s Plan for Cyber-Safety by downloading their pdf [...]

  • http://rotstehtunsgut.de/2009/04/13/internetsperre-sinnlos-und-keine-losung/ Internetsperre: Sinnlos und keine Lösung des Problems « Rot steht uns gut

    [...] der thailändischen Webseiten mit Majestätsbeleidigung stark vertreten. In Australien sollen auch Online Casinos gefiltert werden. In Grossbritannien ist gerade die Wayback Machine vom Internet Archive im [...]

  • fuck em

    Fuck. The Internet represents freedom. And they wanna take it away from us.

  • http://elvery.net/drzax-habari/internet-censorship-it-is-a-big-deal Internet Censorship: It is a big deal! – sw’as

    [...] TechCrunch – Australia Joins China In Censoring The Internet [...]

  • http://alexgoestochina.wordpress.com/2009/06/04/the-great-firewall/ The great firewall « Alex Goes To China

    [...] The great firewall 4 06 2009 As a social media consultant and an Internet g33k, I am quite invested in the notions of freedom interwoven into the web. For this reason I am quite upset by China’s attempts to censor the World Wide Web (and equally upset by Australia’s recent attempts). [...]

  • http://performancing.com/censorship_versus_blogs/ Censorship Versus Blogs : Performancing

    [...] have been thinking about Australia’s plan to censor internet content for their citizens and my initial reaction was to believe this can only be bad for bloggers. I [...]

  • benjamin

    if they censor the internet there will only be 1 website left…. and it will be called “Bring back the Porn”

  • Taboo

    Watch ‘The Big Picture’ and you will see what is really going on!!!!

  • Taboo

    Watch ‘The Big Picture’ and see what is really going on!!!

  • Jordan_W

    Just like with any form of internet block at schools or public places, not only will the Australian government block offending sites, but they will also need to block sites which allow users to circumvent the block. Many of these sites are useful tools, not just ways to get around a censor. Also, once the censorship starts, there will be no way for the Australian people to know whether the sites deemed illegal are being blocked, or if any site that attacks or criticizes the ban is also block. Once they start to censor the internet, it will be very easy to claim a site that posts their blacklist was breaking a law and had to be block, when in reality, it was trying to inform Australian citizens of what they are not able to view.

  • http://uk.asiancorrespondent.com/12186/if-the-show-fits-throw-it/ If the show fits, throw it… « Asian Correspondent

    [...] Xiao Shuang smiling, wondered out loud why Amnesty Australia has not concentrated on its own censorship issues.  “To spoil and politicize for the average Chinese citizen, most of whom neither know nor [...]

  • Mitch

    oh fuckk… i hope not lol. I would opt out straight away and to tell you the truth – if they ever censor me, i would move countrys. We are supposed to be a free contry

  • Mitch

    You see i think even child porn shouldn’t be censored. I am in no way saying i am interested in in/think it should be legal.

    Its just the point though – nothing should be cencored. As you said as soon as they start cencoring one thing… it wont stop.

    Enjoy the internet now because in 5 years we will be trying to find a way to torrent without the cencorship screen comming up.

  • http://d3adpan.wordpress.com/2009/12/15/on-the-australian-governments-compulsory-internet-filter/ …on the Australian Governments compulsory Internet Filter « Mixed Bag 2.01

    [...] do that at the individual PC level, and so instead brings to light instead where the government is likely to go with this. The issue of censorship is one that needs to be addressed, and there has been no shortage of [...]

  • http://kalyani.com/2007/12/australian-government-to-protect-citizens-by-censoring-internet/ Australian Government to “Protect” Citizens by Censoring Internet | TechBubble

    [...] to believe, but the Australian government is taking measures that would broadly censor the Internet for Australian [...]

  • cameron

    When will governments learn that people who do (or view) illegal stuff, do it regardless of it being Errr… Illegal…Derrr???. So why make stupid harsh laws/rules/legislation affecting law abiding citizens (emphasis on LAW ABIDING) when those who break the law (or rules/legislation) well err BREAK THE LAW and will continue too despite all the extra harsh laws/rules/legislation. Laws and Rules/Legislation have their place but realisticly we cannot expect that the true “Bad People” will obey so why make things difficult for those already doing the right thing just to protect them from “The Bad” who will still be doing what they do (and accesing it illegaly) regardless of new laws/rules/legislation.

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